[01:21] hi margo [01:22] hi silverarrow [01:23] I am trouble shooting gecko - gnome mplayer issues for powerpc [01:25] are you clever with mplayer issues? [01:26] margo: I am getting help from a guy who makes gnome mplayer [01:26] but need to retreive some info [01:27] so much for margo === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [06:04] after I got the battery indicator working, the screen dormant modes have changed [10:55] hi, i'm trying to figure out how to maintain keyboard preferences between reboots - any advice? everytime i reboot they get reset, and i have to setup my keyboard preferences again [11:14] thomas___, what kind of settings? [11:23] kanliot: i want to set extended gb keyboard, and swap the win key for th e alt key [11:23] i've found /etc/default/keyboard, but of course, can't do anything with it [11:24] r u using lxkeymap? [11:25] yes [11:27] using 12.04? [11:27] i think so - how do i find out? [11:28] !version [11:28] To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy » [11:29] thanks, and yes 12.04 [11:30] mhh, i've edited /etc/default/keyboard, can i restart the keyboard manager without rebooting? [11:30] donno [11:31] rebooting then [14:15] My lubuntu installation is stuck at "Install System" since a long time after Downloading packages.. Any possible reasons? Should I turn it off? [14:20] Riddhish: i dont download packages during the install [14:20] Riddhish: that could take a long time, or fail... i would wait as long as you feel you can [18:08] silverarrow: sounds like a bunch of work has recently been completed on the lubuntu 12.10 ppc and many more to come https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg01169.html [18:08] how great [18:09] now might be a good time to consider joining the testing team [18:09] then I don't have to migrate to debian [18:09] ;-) [18:09] it is? [18:09] sure [18:09] I am not the cleverest of testers though, [18:10] let's think about it: you haven't found a solution you're happy with, so you're already thinking about getting rid of what you got [18:10] I can install 12.10 at least, [18:10] perhaps it is possible to upgrade? [18:10] that being said, continuously testing new upgrades is giong to be easy to do [18:10] (you won't lose anything) [18:10] I see [18:10] when you find a problem, you report the bug. try to be as detailed as you can. you don't have to understand everything, just report what you see. [18:11] the important thing is that until 12.10 is officially released, there are daily changes that need testing [18:11] is it possible to initate an upgrade from 12.04 to the beta version, or is a new install recommended? [18:11] you don't need to test daily but the more you do the better [18:11] as a general rule i would not plan on having one of these dailies (or even the beta) be your final solution [18:12] I see [18:12] but testing on them will ensure that when the release is out, you are close as possible to what you want [18:12] see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing [18:13] I would need to do a full intall [18:13] that's one of the options [18:13] here are the four testcases for an example http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22391/testcases [18:13] this is a fairly stable situation, where I can work and store my writing on a usb connected hd? [18:14] what needs to be stable really is the word processor [18:14] again, i would not expect these to be perfect. sometimes things go very awry. i'd save your writing elsewhere. [18:14] it would make the testing much easier [18:14] i've had dailies that really need a lot of work to boot, but usually those sorts of problems are resolved fairly quickly [18:15] in general, you should be good [18:15] ok, [18:15] should I go for install now then [18:15] as far as i remember i've been running 12.10 since it first came out [18:15] but again, the FORMAL testing procedure is what's giong to matter [18:15] you follow the test cases exactly and report bugs as you see them [18:16] and then do ove [18:16] (do over i mean) [18:16] again and again [18:16] I see [18:16] might be good to join the lubuntu-qa mailing list [18:16] basically the more you contribute the better it will be [18:16] so lubuntu, then [18:17] I was thinking about xubuntu, but happily stick with lubuntu [18:17] also do you know the tracker for gnome-mplayer? i found an x86 bug that they suggested i post upstream [18:17] as i said yesterday it seems that lubuntu has become the sort of de facto ppc build [18:17] !info gnome-mplayer [18:17] gnome-mplayer (source: gnome-mplayer): A GTK+ interface for MPlayer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.5-1 (precise), package size 395 kB, installed size 1677 kB [18:17] ... oh right no botty :P [18:17] that was unnecessary [18:18] wxl: is the bug in Ubuntu? [18:18] ;) [18:18] tracker? I have posted bugs for gnome mplaeyr ppc [18:18] wxl: actually was, needed the source name ;P [18:18] TheLordOfTime: it's in EVERY buntu [18:18] wxl: the bug [18:18] has it been REPORTED in ubuntu [18:18] yep [18:18] bug number? [18:18] and in the bug report, it was suggested to report it upstream [18:18] one sec [18:18] * TheLordOfTime was going to help you "upstream" it [18:19] I have been posting back and forth with a KEvin who are involved with gnome mplayer [18:19] !bug 654047 [18:19] Launchpad bug 654047 in gnome-mplayer (Ubuntu) "Stop button restarts playback instead of stopping" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654047 [18:19] but is sort of came to a hault [18:19] silverarrow: what's your bug number? cuz that's what i was suggesting: moving it upstream. maybe TheLordOfTime could help there, too [18:21] depends on the bug :P [18:21] silverarrow: i should add the long and short of the reason why i think you should be a tester is because you are so intent on fixing the problems. that sort of drive and perseverence is the true sign of a good tester. we just need to formalize your contributions. [18:22] you have persuaded me, I am downloading [18:22] I shall have to be active here on the lubuntu channel a lot then [18:22] i will ask and be a nusanse [18:22] you know what [18:22] silverarrow: i would also suggest to help the long term repeated testing that you use zsync. don't worry, you can use it next time. [18:22] that bug has not enough information [18:23] that's why it was marked incomplete [18:23] it was, because no one had tested with 1.0.6-1, which i did, TheLordOfTime [18:23] and you're not the bug reporter? [18:23] seems that the originally reporter neglected his/her own bug [18:23] * TheLordOfTime is double checking [18:23] nope [18:23] I reported a bug with 1.0.6, but someone marked it a dulpicate of 1.0.5 [18:24] * wxl is a recent add to lubuntu package team so i get updates of expired bugs and that's how i noticed [18:24] give us the bug number, silverarrow [18:24] I had the 1.0.6 packages built in precise 12.04 [18:24] let me google [18:25] download takes 4 hours? [18:25] depends on your connection [18:25] but another way to ensure that it doesn't take long in the future is to use zsync. zsync only downloads the part that's different [18:25] I need to get wired [18:25] wxl: did you guys check in quantal? [18:25] so if only 5% of it has changed, you only download 5% [18:26] wxl: for that bug, did you check in Quantal's 1.0.6 package? [18:26] TheLordOfTime: apparently my last note there isn't clear. i tested in 12.10 (quantal) which is where 1.0.6-1 is current. i posted the results. [18:26] wxl: looks like a *different* bug now [18:27] if the original bug was fixed in 1.0.6, it shouldn't be upstreamed [18:27] if there's a *different* bug, i.e. the one you said...] [18:27] that needs its own upstreaming [18:27] hey man, i'm just repeating what was suggested, but yes XD [18:28] i'm not going to upstream bug 654047 since that's already "fixed" [18:28] Launchpad bug 654047 in gnome-mplayer (Ubuntu) "Stop button restarts playback instead of stopping" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654047 [18:28] if you file another bug i'll help upstream that [18:28] but tag it as Quantal [18:28] (or use `ubuntu-bug gnome-mplayer` from a quantal system) [18:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gecko-mediaplayer/+bug/1025815 [18:29] Launchpad bug 1025815 in gecko-mediaplayer (Ubuntu) "gecko package for ppc is broken" [Undecided,New] [18:29] sounds good [18:29] I shall get better at reporting bugs [18:29] curious question: for people who are trying to use "lts" or for whatever reason are using an old version, will the fix ever trickle down? [18:29] wxl: only if someone submits a patch to fix it [18:30] or you could have the package backported [18:30] (1.0.6 being backported would allow 1.0.6 to run on Precise, but that's a more tricky process) [18:30] i see [18:30] silverarrow: wxl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs <-- for future [18:30] package management has its pros and cons [18:33] it may be ubuntu docs for bugs, but the process is still the same for triaging [18:34] silverarrow: phillw commented on that bug. i'm not touching it because its still "new" [18:34] that, and i'm not sure whether its an FFox or a gecko issue [18:34] silverarrow: if it eventually gets to "confirmed" then i'll consider upstreaming it [18:34] i usually don't upstream "new" bugs [18:34] (I meaning me personally, not the rest of bugsquad/bugcontrol) [18:35] * TheLordOfTime notices PHP is segfaulting for the 89th time this week, gets out the package purger, and preps to downgrade php on his system [18:35] ping me if ya need me [18:37] I am on the G4 now [18:37] so you missed my last few messages? [18:37] yes [18:37] mozilla got messed up [18:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187645/ [18:38] it`s all rightr [18:38] needs more investigation [18:39] that's why i'm not going to touch it [18:39] however, it is much the same as with 1.0.5 I think [18:39] still needs confirmation wherever [18:39] by someone else [18:39] and I am not the cleverest with these things, but I will happily do what testing I can [18:39] not by the OP [18:39] :P [18:40] bug 1046479 please confirm TheLordOfTime [18:40] Launchpad bug 1046479 in gnome-mplayer (Ubuntu) "stop button causes short playback before stop; playback resumes at this accelerated position" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046479 [18:40] is there a torrent for the beta version? [18:40] (since it seems you're on quantal) [18:40] 1 hour and 40 minutes [18:40] and if you can confirm, then it's not new, in which case you can move it upstream XD [18:40] wxl: i'm not on quantal [18:40] i'm on precise. [18:40] i can't run quantal on this machine [18:40] silverarrow: just be patient. as i said before, you can zsync it next time. [18:40] not until nvidia releases new drivers [18:40] wxl: i'm just on bugsquad / bugcontrol [18:40] TheLordOfTime: ok, nevermind then [18:40] part of bugsquad is to help triaging :P [18:41] whether that triaging happens upstream or in ubuntu only... :P [18:41] ... okay, i'm sufficiently annoyed at PHP now [18:41] * TheLordOfTime walks off to rant a bit [18:42] I am not complaining about gnome mplayer in its self though [18:42] well some issues [18:48] wxl, could you link to be beta 1 DOWNLOADS again ? [18:48] oh sorry [18:48] silverarrow: you found? [18:48] I am googeling and loads of quantal hits, but not the downloads [18:50] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22556/downloads though i'd suggest zsync [18:50] thanks [18:50] I switched comptuers and sort of lost my way [18:51] what is rsync and zsync? [18:51] !rsync [18:51] rsync is a fast remote file copy and synchronization program - For more see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync [18:51] !zsync [18:51] Use zsync to update your Ubuntu CD image without needing to download the parts that didn't change. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage [18:51] factoids ftw [18:52] hah [18:52] as i said before, with zsync, the first time you download 100% the second time you download only the part that changed. if only 1% changes, you only download 1% [18:52] oh clever [18:52] this is the tester's best friend [18:54] I didn`t get it the first tome [18:54] time* [18:55] download is speeding up [18:56] 20 minutes [19:35] back [19:35] cd is burned [19:36] It is always a nervous moment intalling os [19:36] :-| [19:37] wxl is the blacklist 42b thing fixed? [19:37] for the initial bootup? [19:37] do I get wireless on first bootup? [19:37] major hassle ;-) [19:39] wxl, firt bootup is crucial === silverarrow_ is now known as silverarrow [19:44] now for install [19:46] silverarrow: don't know! [19:46] b4something is not fixed for boot up?! [19:46] why not [19:46] darn [19:46] I have to look it up again [19:46] i haven't open up the ppc in a long time [19:46] i usually just hardwire [19:47] oh, it is fixed [19:47] it is? [19:47] oh SWEET [19:47] yes, cd has booted, and I get desktop image [19:47] yeah great [19:48] however, desktop image is very coars [19:48] odd [19:48] I can't live with it [19:48] remember you can send screenshots and file bugs while live [19:48] unless its suppose to be liket hat [19:48] assume anything that looks wrong is probably a bug [19:49] at worst they'll make yuor bugs as invalid because they're not bugs which is not a problem [19:49] some things are fixed at first bootup though [19:50] the gui installer is haulting [19:50] I don't get the widow to show properly [19:50] what is b43 cutter? [19:51] what would first bug report be then "fix the installer" ? [19:52] Installer is frozen though [20:12] hi [20:20] third try and no success [20:21] I did the md5 sum check [20:21] ubiquity? [20:21] 12.10? [20:21] what, ubiquity? [20:21] that's the name of the software installer of the graphical installer [20:22] I get as far as booting, desktop image is a bit coarsed pixeled and installer do not work [20:22] i suppose it is a bug [20:22] 12.04? [20:22] 12.10 beta [20:22] yeah [20:22] I am on ppc G4 [20:23] something with ubiquity then [20:23] well someone just told me 12.10 beta was a bad build, because ubiquity doesn't support any extended partitions (which is nearly alll pcs IMHO) [20:23] so it's crashy trashy [20:23] there are issues with 12.04 too, but they are different [20:24] can't be entirely bad [20:24] has to be fixed though [20:25] wonder how I can report it in a simple way [21:01] hey silverarrow [21:01] are you there? [21:03] hi [21:03] hi [21:03] sorry,, never realized my user name [21:03] :-) [21:03] finally i could not solve the flash issue on google chrome [21:03] so i did again , fresh install [21:04] it helped? [21:04] now, I forgot the browser you recommended [21:04] well, I recommended midori [21:04] which worked fine until recently [21:04] NO re install did not help [21:04] ok, is there any ppa for midori? [21:04] it still works fine with most sites and youtube, but it crashes on some sites [21:05] yes, just type midori in package manager [21:05] or sudo apt-get install midori perhaps [21:06] i finally went with minitube ,, works good [21:06] for youtube. [21:08] is there anything else do you think light weight and worth installing? [21:12] well, regular adobe should work [21:12] but it's not lightweigt [21:13] if minitube works it is great [21:15] so , that means,, my cpu is powerful enough to play with it [21:15] i think something wrong with default chromium [21:15] it simply S***s [21:17] firefox [21:18] xxxterm if you really have no ram [21:18] w3m ftw [21:18] XD [21:18] i got 1 gb ram and 2 gb swap [21:18] i dont think 1 gb ever gets used fully [21:19] so,, system is powerful enough for Lubuntu [21:19] hey wxl, have you noticed that update-manager never runs anymore? [21:20] also,, to point out,, lubuntu software center does not work out of the box [21:20] what's the error. i've read some of the LSC bugs [21:20] i add to add ppa for lubuntu-desktop for it to work [21:20] using 11.10? [21:20] kanliot: no, i don't really bother with it [21:21] 12.04 [21:21] weird [21:21] if you can reproduce the bug i'd be interested [21:21] kanliot: i mean honestly it pops up every now and then but i ignore it [21:21] i am one of those "only use apt" kind of guys [21:22] but [21:22] wxl, harly ever going to test for quantal [21:22] i'd be happy to try to reproduce if you give me a bug number [21:22] currently on 12.10 but if you give me a while i could set up another vbox for 12.04 [21:22] or whip out the netbook [21:22] ahh you're too nice [21:23] silverarrow: not sure i grok your meaning [21:23] well, i cannot install [21:23] or get online [21:23] but no thanks i'll figure it out [21:23] anyone here running 12.04? [21:23] ubiquity doesn''t launch properly on ibook G4 [21:23] silverarrow: then keep trying. meanwhile join lubuntu-qa and post a message to the mailing list about it [21:24] kanliot, yes? [21:24] however, you can do the live testcase, silverarrow [21:24] kanliot: the netbook ain't far [21:24] wxl, I struggle as a total newbie [21:24] silverarrow, when was the last time update manager opened on your desktop, to advise to install software [21:25] ? [21:25] i get all kinds of simple basic fillin questions wrong lol [21:25] a few days ago? [21:26] ahh i'll report it to the lubuntu-qa mailing list. see if someone can test it [21:26] you can do this test silverarrow http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession [21:26] kanliot: have you already reported a bug? [21:26] kanliot : update manager never comes up. just to let you know. [21:26] he already tried the testing tracker and had problems with it. (not a surprise, IMHO) [21:27] i installed twice lubuntu 12.04 in last week [21:27] how the hell do i reproduce the bug? [21:27] wxl, very basic, how do I maneuver the ubuntu test pages, the bug numbers and fails and passes? [21:27] run your machine for a week, see if update manager doesn't come up? [21:27] never seen update manager prompt [21:27] fine i'll file it [21:27] hold on [21:28] wxl, I would like to report the installer bug for powerpc though, possible G4 spesific [21:28] kanliot: i did have it come up yesterday [21:28] maybe there are no updates? [21:28] 12.04 installer was better, even with bugs [21:28] if there's a bug in update-manager (not in apt), wouldn't apt-get update come up with something where update-manager did not? [21:29] wxl, you mean synaptic? [21:29] let me check [21:30] silverarrow: i was more talking about kanliot's bug [21:30] silverarrow: anywho, go to iso.qa.ubuntu.com and login using your launchpad credentials. [21:30] from there click on the release version that corresponds to what you have [21:31] no updates [21:31] make sure you're using the right version (on the far right) [21:31] oh, [21:31] .... [21:32] this is heavy work [21:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563 [21:32] thinking a new thought [21:32] Launchpad bug 1046563 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager never appears on lubuntu precise" [Undecided,New] [21:33] I do get regular "udpates available" popups [21:33] synaptic launches its' sel [21:35] midori crashes a lot bro [21:37] * kanliot doesn't know any gnome project that doesn't crash horribly [21:38] theteju: unfortunately [21:38] besides, how could you not use firefox? [21:38] theteju the first weeks I had it it behaved perfectly [21:39] I think it behaves better on ppc than regular pc [21:40] silverarrow: you might also join #ubuntu-testing and see if they can offer any advice on what to do with that ubiquity bug [21:40] kanliot: booting netbook now XD [21:41] theteju: unfortunately flash video replacer seems to be gone [21:41] it was great for low specs and lubuntu [21:41] wxl you might have to upgrade the netbook to 12.04.1 then test [21:41] wtf is 12.04.1 [21:42] point release [21:42] f involved? [21:42] maybe that's what i did wrong [21:42] maybe i wasn't supposed to upgrade [21:43] how did you do that? through what tool? [21:43] update manager just popped up for me [21:43] very advance [21:43] hmmm i'm not 100% sure [21:43] i have 2 machines, i upgraded 1 though apt-get something, 2nd machine i used update manager [21:44] does your netbook say anything about upgrade? [21:44] your netbook's update manager? [21:44] there's some security updates [21:44] no upgrade huh? [21:44] nope [21:45] what's lsb_release -a give you? [21:45] theteju: there is an issue with adobe flash player making midori crash, and there is a fix for it [21:45] ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS [21:45] interesting [21:46] do-release-upgrade is how you update in command line [21:46] so it's doubeful you did that [21:46] interesting i have 12.04.1 lts too [21:46] oooh wow i'm LTS now [21:46] lol [21:46] * wxl gives a big woop [21:47] well you're less confused than me [21:47] so you doing ok [21:47] i am? XD [21:47] whats' the cron directory? [21:47] just askin [21:47] it's interesting that the description is 12.04.1 but the release is 12.04 [21:48] yeah same here [21:48] default for cron is /var/spool/cron/crontabs [21:48] crontab -e to edit tho [21:49] run this: /etc/cron.daily/update-notifier-common [21:49] its a script [21:49] lemme finish these updates [21:49] man they're going insanely slow [21:50] wrong wifi network [21:51] Hello, I'm having a problem. Can you help me? [21:51] ooh my turn [21:51]