[01:21] <silverarrow> hi margo
[01:22] <margo> hi silverarrow
[01:23] <silverarrow> I am trouble shooting gecko - gnome mplayer issues for powerpc
[01:25] <silverarrow> are you clever with mplayer issues?
[01:26] <silverarrow> margo:  I am getting help from a guy who makes gnome mplayer
[01:26] <silverarrow> but need to retreive some info
[01:27] <silverarrow> so much for margo
[06:04] <silverarrow> after I got the battery indicator working, the screen dormant modes have changed
[10:55] <thomas___> hi, i'm trying to figure out how to maintain keyboard preferences between reboots - any advice? everytime i reboot they get reset, and i have to setup my keyboard preferences again
[11:14] <kanliot> thomas___, what kind of settings?
[11:23] <thomas___> kanliot: i want to set extended gb keyboard, and swap the win key for th e alt key
[11:23] <thomas___> i've found /etc/default/keyboard, but of course, can't do anything with it
[11:24] <kanliot> r u using lxkeymap?
[11:25] <thomas___> yes
[11:27] <kanliot> using 12.04?
[11:27] <thomas___> i think so - how do i find out?
[11:28] <kanliot> !version
[11:29] <thomas___> thanks, and yes 12.04
[11:30] <thomas___> mhh, i've edited /etc/default/keyboard, can i restart the keyboard manager without rebooting?
[11:30] <kanliot> donno
[11:31] <thomas___> rebooting then
[14:15] <Riddhish> My lubuntu installation is stuck at "Install System" since a long time after Downloading packages.. Any possible reasons? Should I turn it off?
[14:20] <holstein> Riddhish: i dont download packages during the install
[14:20] <holstein> Riddhish: that could take a long time, or fail... i would wait as long as you feel you can
[18:08] <wxl> silverarrow: sounds like a bunch of work has recently been completed on the lubuntu 12.10 ppc and many more to come https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg01169.html
[18:08] <silverarrow> how great
[18:09] <wxl> now might be a good time to consider joining the testing team
[18:09] <silverarrow> then I don't have to migrate to debian
[18:09] <silverarrow> ;-)
[18:09] <silverarrow> it is?
[18:09] <wxl> sure
[18:09] <silverarrow> I am not the cleverest of testers though,
[18:10] <wxl> let's think about it: you haven't found a solution you're happy with, so you're already thinking about getting rid of what you got
[18:10] <silverarrow> I can install 12.10 at least,
[18:10] <silverarrow> perhaps it is possible to upgrade?
[18:10] <wxl> that being said, continuously testing new upgrades is giong to be easy to do
[18:10] <wxl> (you won't lose anything)
[18:10] <silverarrow> I see
[18:10] <wxl> when you find a problem, you report the bug. try to be as detailed as you can. you don't have to understand everything, just report what you see.
[18:11] <wxl> the important thing is that until 12.10 is officially released, there are daily changes that need testing
[18:11] <silverarrow> is it possible to initate an upgrade from 12.04 to the beta version, or is a new install recommended?
[18:11] <wxl> you don't need to test daily but the more you do the better
[18:11] <wxl> as a general rule i would not plan on having one of these dailies (or even the beta) be your final solution
[18:12] <silverarrow> I see
[18:12] <wxl> but testing on them will ensure that when the release is out, you are close as possible to what you want
[18:12] <wxl> see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[18:13] <silverarrow> I would need to do a full intall
[18:13] <wxl> that's one of the options
[18:13] <wxl> here are the four testcases for an example http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22391/testcases
[18:13] <silverarrow> this is a fairly stable situation, where I can work and store my writing on a usb connected hd?
[18:14] <silverarrow> what needs to be stable really is the word processor
[18:14] <wxl> again, i would not expect these to be perfect. sometimes things go very awry. i'd save your writing elsewhere.
[18:14] <silverarrow> it would make the testing much easier
[18:14] <wxl> i've had dailies that really need a lot of work to boot, but usually those sorts of problems are resolved fairly quickly
[18:15] <wxl> in general, you should be good
[18:15] <silverarrow> ok,
[18:15] <silverarrow> should I go for install now then
[18:15] <wxl> as far as i remember i've been running 12.10 since it first came out
[18:15] <wxl> but again, the FORMAL testing procedure is what's giong to matter
[18:15] <wxl> you follow the test cases exactly and report bugs as you see them
[18:16] <wxl> and then do ove
[18:16] <wxl> (do over i mean)
[18:16] <wxl> again and again
[18:16] <silverarrow> I see
[18:16] <wxl> might be good to join the lubuntu-qa mailing list
[18:16] <wxl> basically the more you contribute the better it will be
[18:16] <silverarrow> so lubuntu, then
[18:17] <silverarrow> I was thinking about xubuntu, but happily stick with lubuntu
[18:17] <wxl> also do you know the tracker for gnome-mplayer? i found an x86 bug that they suggested i post upstream
[18:17] <wxl> as i said yesterday it seems that lubuntu has become the sort of de facto ppc build
[18:17] <TheLordOfTime> !info gnome-mplayer
[18:17] <TheLordOfTime> ... oh right no botty :P
[18:17] <wxl> that was unnecessary
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  is the bug in Ubuntu?
[18:18] <wxl> ;)
[18:18] <silverarrow> tracker? I have posted bugs for gnome mplaeyr ppc
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  actually was, needed the source name ;P
[18:18] <wxl> TheLordOfTime: it's in EVERY buntu
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  the bug
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> has it been REPORTED in ubuntu
[18:18] <wxl> yep
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> bug number?
[18:18] <wxl> and in the bug report, it was suggested to report it upstream
[18:18] <wxl> one sec
[18:18]  * TheLordOfTime was going to help you "upstream" it
[18:19] <silverarrow> I have been posting back and forth with a KEvin who are involved with gnome mplayer
[18:19] <wxl> !bug 654047
[18:19] <silverarrow> but is sort of came to a hault
[18:19] <wxl> silverarrow: what's your bug number? cuz that's what i was suggesting: moving it upstream. maybe TheLordOfTime could help there, too
[18:21] <TheLordOfTime> depends on the bug :P
[18:21] <wxl> silverarrow: i should add the long and short of the reason why i think you should be a tester is because you are so intent on fixing the problems. that sort of drive and perseverence is the true sign of a good tester. we just need to formalize your contributions.
[18:22] <silverarrow> you have persuaded me, I am downloading
[18:22] <silverarrow> I shall have to be active here on the lubuntu channel a lot then
[18:22] <silverarrow> i will ask and be a  nusanse
[18:22] <TheLordOfTime> you know what
[18:22] <wxl> silverarrow: i would also suggest to help the long term repeated testing that you use zsync. don't worry, you can use it next time.
[18:22] <TheLordOfTime> that bug has not enough information
[18:23] <TheLordOfTime> that's why it was marked incomplete
[18:23] <wxl> it was, because no one had tested with 1.0.6-1, which i did, TheLordOfTime
[18:23] <TheLordOfTime> and you're not the bug reporter?
[18:23] <wxl> seems that the originally reporter neglected his/her own bug
[18:23]  * TheLordOfTime is double checking
[18:23] <wxl> nope
[18:23] <silverarrow> I reported a bug with 1.0.6, but someone marked it a dulpicate of 1.0.5
[18:24]  * wxl is a recent add to lubuntu package team so i get updates of expired bugs and that's how i noticed
[18:24] <wxl> give us the bug number, silverarrow
[18:24] <silverarrow> I had the 1.0.6 packages built in precise 12.04
[18:24] <silverarrow> let me google
[18:25] <silverarrow> download takes 4 hours?
[18:25] <wxl> depends on your connection
[18:25] <wxl> but another way to ensure that it doesn't take long in the future is to use zsync. zsync only downloads the part that's different
[18:25] <silverarrow> I need to get wired
[18:25] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  did you guys check in quantal?
[18:25] <wxl> so if only 5% of it has changed, you only download 5%
[18:26] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  for that bug, did you check in Quantal's 1.0.6 package?
[18:26] <wxl> TheLordOfTime: apparently my last note there isn't clear. i tested in 12.10 (quantal) which is where 1.0.6-1 is current. i posted the results.
[18:26] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  looks like a *different* bug now
[18:27] <TheLordOfTime> if the original bug was fixed in 1.0.6, it shouldn't be upstreamed
[18:27] <TheLordOfTime> if there's a *different* bug, i.e. the one you said...]
[18:27] <TheLordOfTime> that needs its own upstreaming
[18:27] <wxl> hey man, i'm just repeating what was suggested, but yes XD
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not going to upstream bug 654047 since that's already "fixed"
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> if you file another bug i'll help upstream that
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> but tag it as Quantal
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> (or use `ubuntu-bug gnome-mplayer` from a quantal system)
[18:29] <silverarrow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gecko-mediaplayer/+bug/1025815
[18:29] <wxl> sounds good
[18:29] <silverarrow> I shall get better at reporting bugs
[18:29] <wxl> curious question: for people who are trying to use "lts" or for whatever reason are using an old version, will the fix ever trickle down?
[18:29] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  only if someone submits a patch to fix it
[18:30] <TheLordOfTime> or you could have the package backported
[18:30] <TheLordOfTime> (1.0.6 being backported would allow 1.0.6 to run on Precise, but that's a more tricky process)
[18:30] <wxl> i see
[18:30] <TheLordOfTime> silverarrow:  wxl:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs <-- for future
[18:30] <wxl> package management has its pros and cons
[18:33] <TheLordOfTime> it may be ubuntu docs for bugs, but the process is still the same for triaging
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> silverarrow:  phillw commented on that bug.  i'm not touching it because its still "new"
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> that, and i'm not sure whether its an FFox or a gecko issue
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> silverarrow:  if it eventually gets to "confirmed" then i'll consider upstreaming it
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> i usually don't upstream "new" bugs
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> (I meaning me personally, not the rest of bugsquad/bugcontrol)
[18:35]  * TheLordOfTime notices PHP is segfaulting for the 89th time this week, gets out the package purger, and preps to downgrade php on his system
[18:35] <TheLordOfTime> ping me if ya need me
[18:37] <silverarrow> I am on the G4 now
[18:37] <TheLordOfTime> so you missed my last few messages?
[18:37] <silverarrow> yes
[18:37] <silverarrow> mozilla got messed up
[18:37] <TheLordOfTime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187645/
[18:38] <silverarrow> it`s all rightr
[18:38] <silverarrow> needs more investigation
[18:39] <TheLordOfTime> that's why i'm not going to touch it
[18:39] <silverarrow> however, it is much the same as with 1.0.5 I think
[18:39] <TheLordOfTime> still needs confirmation wherever
[18:39] <TheLordOfTime> by someone else
[18:39] <silverarrow> and I am not the cleverest with these things, but I will happily do what testing I can
[18:39] <TheLordOfTime> not by the OP
[18:39] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[18:40] <wxl> bug 1046479 please confirm TheLordOfTime
[18:40] <silverarrow> is there a torrent for the beta version?
[18:40] <wxl> (since it seems you're on quantal)
[18:40] <silverarrow> 1 hour and 40  minutes
[18:40] <wxl> and if you can confirm, then it's not new, in which case you can move it upstream XD
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  i'm not on quantal
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> i'm on precise.
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> i can't run quantal on this machine
[18:40] <wxl> silverarrow: just be patient. as i said before, you can zsync it next time.
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> not until nvidia releases new drivers
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> wxl:  i'm just on bugsquad / bugcontrol
[18:40] <wxl> TheLordOfTime: ok, nevermind then
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> part of bugsquad is to help triaging :P
[18:41] <TheLordOfTime> whether that triaging happens upstream or in ubuntu only... :P
[18:41] <TheLordOfTime> ... okay, i'm sufficiently annoyed at PHP now
[18:41]  * TheLordOfTime walks off to rant a bit
[18:42] <silverarrow> I am not complaining about gnome mplayer in its self though
[18:42] <silverarrow> well some issues
[18:48] <silverarrow> wxl, could you link to be beta 1 DOWNLOADS again ?
[18:48] <silverarrow> oh sorry
[18:48] <wxl> silverarrow: you found?
[18:48] <silverarrow> I am googeling and loads of quantal hits, but not the downloads
[18:50] <wxl> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22556/downloads though i'd suggest zsync
[18:50] <silverarrow> thanks
[18:50] <silverarrow> I switched comptuers and sort of lost my way
[18:51] <silverarrow> what is rsync and zsync?
[18:51] <TheLordOfTime> !rsync
[18:51] <TheLordOfTime> !zsync
[18:51] <TheLordOfTime> factoids ftw
[18:52] <wxl> hah
[18:52] <wxl> as i said before, with zsync, the first time you download 100% the second time you download only the part that changed. if only 1% changes, you only download 1%
[18:52] <silverarrow> oh clever
[18:52] <wxl> this is the tester's best friend
[18:54] <silverarrow> I didn`t get it the first tome
[18:54] <silverarrow> time*
[18:55] <silverarrow> download is speeding up
[18:56] <silverarrow> 20 minutes
[19:35] <silverarrow> back
[19:35] <silverarrow> cd is burned
[19:36] <silverarrow> It is always a nervous moment intalling os
[19:36] <silverarrow> :-|
[19:37] <silverarrow> wxl is the blacklist 42b thing fixed?
[19:37] <silverarrow> for the initial bootup?
[19:37] <silverarrow> do I get wireless on first bootup?
[19:37] <silverarrow> major hassle ;-)
[19:39] <silverarrow> wxl, firt bootup is crucial
[19:44] <silverarrow> now for install
[19:46] <wxl> silverarrow: don't know!
[19:46] <silverarrow> b4something is not fixed for boot up?!
[19:46] <silverarrow> why not
[19:46] <silverarrow> darn
[19:46] <silverarrow> I have to look it up again
[19:46] <wxl> i haven't open up the ppc in a long time
[19:46] <wxl> i usually just hardwire
[19:47] <silverarrow> oh, it is fixed
[19:47] <wxl> it is?
[19:47] <wxl> oh SWEET
[19:47] <silverarrow> yes, cd has booted, and I get desktop image
[19:47] <silverarrow> yeah great
[19:48] <silverarrow> however, desktop image is very coars
[19:48] <silverarrow> odd
[19:48] <silverarrow> I can't live with it
[19:48] <wxl> remember you can send screenshots and file bugs while live
[19:48] <silverarrow> unless its suppose to be liket hat
[19:48] <wxl> assume anything that looks wrong is probably a bug
[19:49] <wxl> at worst they'll make yuor bugs as invalid because they're not bugs which is not a problem
[19:49] <silverarrow> some things are fixed at first bootup though
[19:50] <silverarrow> the gui installer is haulting
[19:50] <silverarrow> I don't get the widow to show properly
[19:50] <silverarrow> what is b43 cutter?
[19:51] <silverarrow> what would first bug report be then "fix the installer" ?
[19:52] <silverarrow> Installer is frozen though
[20:12] <silverarrow> hi
[20:20] <silverarrow> third try and no success
[20:21] <silverarrow> I did the md5 sum check
[20:21] <kanliot> ubiquity?
[20:21] <kanliot> 12.10?
[20:21] <silverarrow> what, ubiquity?
[20:21] <kanliot> that's the name of the software installer of the graphical installer
[20:22] <silverarrow> I get as far as booting, desktop image is a bit coarsed pixeled and installer do not work
[20:22] <silverarrow> i suppose it is a bug
[20:22] <kanliot> 12.04?
[20:22] <silverarrow> 12.10 beta
[20:22] <kanliot> yeah
[20:22] <silverarrow> I am on ppc G4
[20:23] <silverarrow> something with ubiquity then
[20:23] <kanliot> well someone just told me 12.10 beta was a bad build, because ubiquity doesn't support any extended partitions (which is nearly alll pcs IMHO)
[20:23] <kanliot> so it's crashy trashy
[20:23] <silverarrow> there are issues with 12.04 too, but they are different
[20:24] <silverarrow> can't be entirely bad
[20:24] <silverarrow> has to be fixed though
[20:25] <silverarrow> wonder how I can report it in a simple way
[21:01] <theteju> hey silverarrow
[21:01] <theteju> are you there?
[21:03] <silverarrow> hi
[21:03] <silverarrow> hi
[21:03] <theteju> sorry,, never realized my user name
[21:03] <silverarrow> :-)
[21:03] <theteju> finally i could not solve the flash issue on google chrome
[21:03] <theteju> so i did again , fresh install
[21:04] <silverarrow> it helped?
[21:04] <theteju> now, I forgot the browser you recommended
[21:04] <silverarrow> well, I recommended midori
[21:04] <silverarrow> which worked fine until recently
[21:04] <theteju> NO re install did not help
[21:04] <theteju> ok, is there any ppa for midori?
[21:04] <silverarrow> it still works fine with most sites and youtube, but it crashes on some sites
[21:05] <silverarrow> yes, just type midori in package manager
[21:05] <silverarrow> or sudo apt-get install midori perhaps
[21:06] <theteju> i finally went with minitube ,, works good
[21:06] <theteju> for youtube.
[21:08] <theteju> is there anything else do you think light weight and worth installing?
[21:12] <silverarrow> well,  regular adobe should work
[21:12] <silverarrow> but it's not lightweigt
[21:13] <silverarrow> if minitube works it is great
[21:15] <theteju> so , that means,, my cpu is powerful enough to play with it
[21:15] <theteju> i think something wrong with default chromium
[21:15] <theteju> it simply S***s
[21:17] <kanliot> firefox
[21:18] <kanliot> xxxterm if you really have no ram
[21:18] <wxl> w3m ftw
[21:18] <wxl> XD
[21:18] <theteju> i got 1 gb ram and 2 gb swap
[21:18] <theteju> i dont think 1 gb ever gets used fully
[21:19] <theteju> so,, system is powerful enough for Lubuntu
[21:19] <kanliot> hey wxl, have you noticed that update-manager never runs anymore?
[21:20] <theteju> also,, to point out,, lubuntu software center does not work out of the box
[21:20] <kanliot> what's the error.  i've read some of the LSC bugs
[21:20] <theteju> i add to add ppa for lubuntu-desktop for it to work
[21:20] <kanliot> using 11.10?
[21:20] <wxl> kanliot: no, i don't really bother with it
[21:21] <theteju> 12.04
[21:21] <kanliot> weird
[21:21] <kanliot> if you can reproduce the bug i'd be interested
[21:21] <wxl> kanliot: i mean honestly it pops up every now and then but i ignore it
[21:21] <wxl> i am one of those "only use apt" kind of guys
[21:22] <wxl> but
[21:22] <silverarrow> wxl, harly ever going to test for quantal
[21:22] <wxl> i'd be happy to try to reproduce if you give me a bug number
[21:22] <wxl> currently on 12.10 but if you give me a while i could set up another vbox for 12.04
[21:22] <wxl> or whip out the netbook
[21:22] <kanliot> ahh you're too nice
[21:23] <wxl> silverarrow: not sure i grok your meaning
[21:23] <silverarrow> well, i cannot install
[21:23] <silverarrow> or get online
[21:23] <kanliot> but no thanks i'll figure it out
[21:23] <kanliot> anyone here running 12.04?
[21:23] <silverarrow> ubiquity doesn''t launch properly on ibook G4
[21:23] <wxl> silverarrow: then keep trying. meanwhile join lubuntu-qa and post a message to the mailing list about it
[21:24] <silverarrow> kanliot, yes?
[21:24] <wxl> however, you can do the live testcase, silverarrow
[21:24] <wxl> kanliot: the netbook ain't far
[21:24] <silverarrow> wxl, I struggle as a total newbie
[21:24] <kanliot> silverarrow, when was the last time update manager opened on your desktop, to advise to install software
[21:25] <kanliot> ?
[21:25] <silverarrow> i get all kinds of simple basic fillin questions wrong lol
[21:25] <silverarrow> a few days ago?
[21:26] <kanliot> ahh i'll report it to the lubuntu-qa mailing list.  see if someone can test it
[21:26] <wxl> you can do this test silverarrow http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession
[21:26] <wxl> kanliot: have you already reported a bug?
[21:26] <theteju> kanliot : update manager never comes up. just to let you know.
[21:26] <kanliot> he already tried the testing tracker and had problems with it.  (not a surprise, IMHO)
[21:27] <theteju> i installed twice lubuntu 12.04 in last week
[21:27] <kanliot> how the hell do i reproduce the bug?
[21:27] <silverarrow> wxl, very basic, how do I maneuver the ubuntu test pages, the bug numbers and fails and passes?
[21:27] <kanliot> run your machine for a week, see if update manager doesn't come up?
[21:27] <theteju> never seen update manager prompt
[21:27] <kanliot> fine i'll file it
[21:27] <kanliot> hold on
[21:28] <silverarrow> wxl, I would like to report the installer bug for powerpc though, possible G4 spesific
[21:28] <wxl> kanliot: i did have it come up yesterday
[21:28] <wxl> maybe there are no updates?
[21:28] <silverarrow> 12.04 installer was better, even with bugs
[21:28] <wxl> if there's a bug in update-manager (not in apt), wouldn't apt-get update come up with something where update-manager did not?
[21:29] <silverarrow> wxl, you mean synaptic?
[21:29] <silverarrow> let me check
[21:30] <wxl> silverarrow: i was more talking about kanliot's bug
[21:30] <wxl> silverarrow: anywho, go to iso.qa.ubuntu.com and login using your launchpad credentials.
[21:30] <wxl> from there click on the release version that corresponds to what you have
[21:31] <silverarrow> no updates
[21:31] <wxl> make sure you're using the right version (on the far right)
[21:31] <silverarrow> oh,
[21:31] <silverarrow> ....
[21:32] <silverarrow> this is heavy work
[21:32] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563
[21:32] <silverarrow> thinking a new thought
[21:33] <silverarrow> I do get regular "udpates available" popups
[21:33] <silverarrow> synaptic launches its' sel
[21:35] <theteju> midori crashes a lot bro
[21:37]  * kanliot doesn't know any gnome project that doesn't crash horribly
[21:38] <silverarrow> theteju: unfortunately
[21:38] <kanliot> besides, how could you not use firefox?
[21:38] <silverarrow> theteju the first weeks I had it it behaved perfectly
[21:39] <silverarrow> I think it behaves better on ppc than regular pc
[21:40] <wxl> silverarrow: you might also join #ubuntu-testing and see if they can offer any advice on what to do with that ubiquity bug
[21:40] <wxl> kanliot: booting netbook now XD
[21:41] <silverarrow> theteju: unfortunately flash video replacer seems to be gone
[21:41] <silverarrow> it was great for low specs and lubuntu
[21:41] <kanliot> wxl you might have to upgrade the netbook to 12.04.1 then test
[21:41] <wxl> wtf is 12.04.1
[21:42] <kanliot> point release
[21:42] <silverarrow> f involved?
[21:42] <kanliot> maybe that's what i did wrong
[21:42] <kanliot> maybe i wasn't supposed to upgrade
[21:43] <wxl> how did you do that? through what tool?
[21:43] <wxl> update manager just popped up for me
[21:43] <silverarrow> very advance
[21:43] <kanliot> hmmm i'm not 100% sure
[21:43] <kanliot> i have 2 machines, i upgraded 1 though apt-get something, 2nd machine i used update manager
[21:44] <kanliot> does your netbook say anything about upgrade?
[21:44] <kanliot> your netbook's update manager?
[21:44] <wxl> there's some security updates
[21:44] <kanliot> no upgrade huh?
[21:44] <wxl> nope
[21:45] <wxl> what's lsb_release -a give you?
[21:45] <silverarrow> theteju:  there is an issue with adobe flash player making midori crash, and there is a fix for it
[21:45] <kanliot> ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[21:45] <wxl> interesting
[21:46] <wxl> do-release-upgrade is how you update in command line
[21:46] <wxl> so it's doubeful you did that
[21:46] <wxl> interesting i have 12.04.1 lts too
[21:46] <wxl> oooh wow i'm LTS now
[21:46] <kanliot> lol
[21:46]  * wxl gives a big woop
[21:47] <kanliot> well you're less confused than me
[21:47] <kanliot> so you doing ok
[21:47] <wxl> i am? XD
[21:47] <kanliot> whats' the cron directory?
[21:47] <kanliot> just askin
[21:47] <wxl> it's interesting that the description is 12.04.1 but the release is 12.04
[21:48] <kanliot> yeah same here
[21:48] <wxl> default for cron is /var/spool/cron/crontabs
[21:48] <wxl> crontab -e to edit tho
[21:49] <kanliot> run this: /etc/cron.daily/update-notifier-common
[21:49] <kanliot> its a script
[21:49] <wxl> lemme finish these updates
[21:49] <wxl> man they're going insanely slow
[21:50] <wxl> wrong wifi network
[21:51] <JoaoVitor> Hello, I'm having a problem. Can you help me?
[21:51] <wxl> ooh my turn
[21:51] <wxl> !ask
[21:53] <JoaoVitor> All distro Ubuntu and derivatives (xubuntu, Lubuntu etc) are crash my netbook when in battery usage. And I have to push the reset button
[21:54] <Dice-Man> hello people
[21:54] <silverarrow> JoaoVitor: bad battery?
[21:54] <wxl> JoaoVitor: so if you are using ac, there's no problem. the second you remove it and it runs on battery, it freezes? what exactly happens?
[21:54] <Dice-Man> i've a windows machine where i've put a tightvnc server on it
[21:55] <Dice-Man> i'm entering the right stuff in vinagre
[21:55] <kanliot> JoaoVitor, might be a question for the hardware people on the forum
[21:55] <Dice-Man> but i don't have any connections :(
[21:55] <JoaoVitor> silverarrow:not. the slackware for example, typically run
[21:56] <gomiboy> Dice-Man: windows firewall is down?
[21:56] <kanliot> JoaoVitor, might be kernel versions
[21:57] <JoaoVitor> wxl:lock when the netbook is on battery usage, unplugged. It simply freezes the screen
[21:57] <wxl> JoaoVitor: yeah, that sounds like a problem with the battery or the kernel. which netbook?
[21:57] <JoaoVitor> kanliot:I'm using kernel 3.2.0-29
[21:58] <wxl> JoaoVitor: what kernel in slackware?
[21:59] <wxl> kanliot: /etc/cron.daily/update-notifier-common does nothing. but apt-get update && upgrade does indeed pull up some upgrades that need to happen.
[22:00] <JoaoVitor> wxl:slack 3.2.28
[22:00] <JoaoVitor> i think
[22:02] <wxl> JoaoVitor: 3.2.0-29 ≠ 3.2.28. use the same kernel and see what happens.
[22:03] <silverarrow> JoaoVitor: I have had lubuntu on a few laptops and never had the power issue you are experiencing
[22:03] <silverarrow> odd though
[22:04] <kanliot> bah it's just a guess
[22:04] <JoaoVitor> wxl:I'll try. Thanks for the help.
[22:04] <kanliot> i'd use slackware
[22:04] <silverarrow> yeah, whatever ever works
[22:04] <silverarrow> though it sould be fixed in lubuntu !!
[22:04] <silverarrow> should*
[22:05] <Dice-Man> gomiboy: i'm using comodo firewall
[22:05] <wxl> kanliot: also running update-manager pulls up available updates.
[22:05] <Dice-Man> but no it isn't
[22:05] <wxl> JoaoVitor: i should add i had that problem once, too. bad battery.
[22:05] <silverarrow> JoaoVitor: you might post on the Ubuntu forum, perhaps a clever guy will read it
[22:06] <silverarrow> i have problems with flickering screen
[22:06] <silverarrow> on my hp computer
[22:06] <Dice-Man> gomiboy: i'm using remmina client on lubuntu
[22:06] <silverarrow> what could it be?
[22:06] <Dice-Man> gomiboy: it's a tightvnc connection what to put in the username field ?
[22:06] <Dice-Man> tightvnc doesn't require a username
[22:06] <Dice-Man> that's odd
[22:08] <wxl> kanliot: consider yourself confirmed
[22:09] <kanliot> ok thx wxl
[22:10] <gomiboy> Dice-Man: reading tightvnc documentation here: http://www.tightvnc.com/winst.php : "Until a password is set, TightVNC will not accept incoming network connections."
[22:10] <kanliot> oh btw silverarrow, they said bet1 ppc is broken, but fixes will be landing soon
[22:10] <kanliot> on the lubuntu-qa mailing list
[22:12] <wxl> silverarrow: problem seems to lie in bug 1041625
[22:12] <kanliot> wxl i thought that was the bug on the alternate cd?
[22:12] <kanliot> so many bugs so little communication
[22:13] <wxl> InstallationMedia: Lubuntu 12.10 "Quantal Quetzal" - Alpha i386 (20120724.2)
[22:13] <kanliot> yeah i386
[22:13] <kanliot> thats not ppc is it?
[22:13] <wxl> that's not
[22:13] <wxl> and it's not alternate either
[22:14] <kanliot> lol sourcepackage: ubiquity
[22:14] <wxl> but this is both https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/1041625/comments/34
[22:15] <kanliot> man please tell me i'm not the only one who has to play a guessing games when qa sends out these emails
[22:15] <wxl> nope
[22:15] <wxl> you're not
[22:15] <kanliot> i just talked to phillw
[22:15] <kanliot> he said he was in waist deep
[22:15] <kanliot> in muck
[22:15] <wxl> heheh
[22:16] <kanliot> he had to ask for respins
[22:16] <kanliot> a bug not listed hold on
[22:16] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1046175
[22:17] <silverarrow> yeah, in powerpc ubuquity doesn't even launch
[22:17] <kanliot> so basically, any pc with extended paritionss or soemthing, wouldn't install, or something, maybe automatic worked i guess
[22:17] <kanliot> something
[22:17] <silverarrow> wonder if it is a connected bug?
[22:17] <silverarrow> probably not though
[22:17] <kanliot> bye
[22:18] <kanliot> wxl if you have another few minutes
[22:18] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxkeymap/+bug/1026510
[22:18] <kanliot> this seems like an actual bug in 12.04
[22:18] <kanliot> actually i could test it myself
[22:18] <kanliot> dont really need u
[22:19] <silverarrow> I wasn't affected by teh keymap bug
[22:19] <wxl> i thought we already had that one somewhere
[22:19] <kanliot> what keyboard do you use silverarrow
[22:19] <silverarrow> no idea, ibook stuff
[22:19] <kanliot> yeah it was in hardy  i think can't remember
[22:20] <silverarrow> powerpc seems to have bugnumbers multiplied
[22:20] <wxl> so do you need me to double check this, kanliot ?
[22:21]  * wxl doesn't think openchrome applies to ppc but we'll see
[22:21] <silverarrow> i still can't manage to report ubiquity bug !"#¤
[22:21] <kanliot> i'll ask you to triple check it
[22:21] <kanliot> pleasee wait wxl
[22:22] <wxl> silverarrow: there are two options. one, you could hardwire your machine, try hitting ctrl-alt-f1 and run ubuntu-bug ubiquity or two, you could just go to launchpad and report a new bug and fill in the info about it.
[22:22] <wxl> there's also a third option
[22:23] <kanliot> The ones that need testing are date stamped 20120905 (It does not affect Alternate etc).
[22:23] <kanliot> @ PPC users, I've had a good long chat with cjwatson and he asks that you re-test the ppc isos, a lot of work has been done.
[22:23] <kanliot> silverarrow if you have time you can doubletest the new ppc iso that just dropped
[22:23] <silverarrow> but I just downloaded less than two hours ago
[22:24] <kanliot> wxl please tripletest the lxkeymap bug
[22:24] <kanliot> silverarrow, seriously i think there's a new build
[22:24] <kanliot> if you like, use zsync
[22:24] <wxl> yeah zsync
[22:24] <silverarrow> kanliot, can you sort of slip the info to him, that G4 users have trouble launching insaller?
[22:24] <kanliot> i can
[22:24] <wxl> also this may be useful, silverarrow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_when_off-line
[22:24] <silverarrow> iBook g4,
[22:24] <kanliot> but can you retest with the build in the past hour or so?
[22:25] <silverarrow> I can
[22:25] <kanliot> cool
[22:25] <silverarrow> and I need to buy a rack of CDs
[22:25] <kanliot> :(
[22:25] <silverarrow> I have four left
[22:25] <silverarrow> which should see me through to tomorrow
[22:26] <kanliot> :)
[22:26] <silverarrow> kanliot, same download site?
[22:26] <silverarrow> ooh, this is exiting
[22:26] <wxl> you should try cd-rws
[22:27] <kanliot> hold on
[22:28] <kanliot> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22623/downloads
[22:28] <kanliot> i think that's the right one
[22:28] <kanliot> actually they said 20120905 in the email, i think they meant to say 20120905.1
[22:28] <kanliot> more confusion
[22:30] <silverarrow> downloading
[22:32] <wxl> confirmed
[22:33] <kanliot> yeah\
[22:34] <kanliot> wxl i've done that
[22:35] <kanliot> oopps replying to a convo about an hour ago
[22:35] <kanliot> sorry
[22:35] <wxl> hahahahah
[22:35] <wxl> XD
[22:35] <wxl>  /lastlog 1434
[22:35] <wxl> XD
[22:37] <silverarrow> who is the clever guy working with the ppc iso?
[22:37] <wxl> you mean the guy trying to fix it?
[22:37] <silverarrow> yes
[22:37] <silverarrow> i hope he isn't all alone though
[22:38] <wxl> not sure really
[22:38] <silverarrow> my mom just bought a new laptop
[22:38] <silverarrow> a hp
[22:38] <silverarrow> slim and very wide screen
[22:38] <silverarrow> about 2 kg
[22:38] <silverarrow> I was going to get her a ultrabook
[22:38] <kanliot> http://pastebin.com/qN8HXpX1
[22:38] <silverarrow> like samsung 9 series
[22:38] <silverarrow> but she was out on her own
[22:39] <kanliot> sorry that's some random convo with the ppc guy
[22:39] <silverarrow> she bought it today, looks nice
[22:39] <Unit193> May want to join offtopic and talk there if it isn't support related.
[23:40] <silverarrow> hi again