[00:06] <KurtKraut> I am using Quantal Quetzal since alpha 1 but in the past two weeks my aptitude full-upgrade shows no new packages, what is odd because I'm used to see package changes in a daily basis in alpha releases. Is that expected?
[00:07] <Daekdroom> KurtKraut, not for two weeks.
[00:07] <Daekdroom> The mirror you're using might be outdated.
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> I've gotten 20 updates today
[00:07] <Daekdroom> It happened to me.
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> scratch that, 60
[00:07] <Daekdroom> earlier in this version.
[00:07] <KurtKraut> I've already changed to two mirrors and no new packages
[00:08] <Daekdroom> Have you tried the main one?
[00:11] <KurtKraut> Daekdroom, in fact no, you're right. It is a valid test.
[01:10] <Darxus> Since I installed quantal in a new partition I haven't been able to get grub installed as I had it from my oneric partition.  I really can't figure out what's going wrong.  I'm booted to oneric, run update-grub, and grub-install /dev/sda, and... I'm not getting the stuff listed in grub when I reboot that I expect.
[01:10] <Darxus> (More accurately, since I upgraded my precise partition to quantal.)
[01:14] <trism> Darxus: what are you getting? maybe pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg from oneiric?
[01:14] <Darxus> trism: I'm getting the list of kernel options I expect to see from quantal.
[01:15] <Darxus> But... the grub version displayed is the one from oneric.
[01:15] <trism> Darxus: for the default kernels or from the quantal kernels?
[01:15] <trism> Darxus: err default = oneiric
[01:15] <Darxus>  http://www.chaosreigns.com/tmp/grub.cfg  from oneric
[01:16] <Darxus> trism: It's listing a bunch of quantal kernels and one oneric kernel.  Which is what I expect to see with grub installed from quantal.
[01:17] <Darxus> Like oneric has a bunch of 3.0.x kernels, and quantal has a bunch of 3.5.x kernels or something.
[01:18] <Darxus> How can I tell where grub loaded from, or where I should install grub to?
[01:18] <Darxus> I've been doing /dev/sda, trying /dev/sdb out of desperation.  I also have /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd.
[01:18] <trism> Darxus: the oneiric ones are there, they are just under previous kernels, and I see 3.5.0-11 plus a bunch of 3.2.0 from the precise upgrade I imagine
[01:18] <Darxus> trism: Right, but that stuff isn't what I see when I reboot.
[01:18] <trism> Darxus: oh what do you see?
[01:19] <Darxus> I see mostly 3.5.x kernels.
[01:19] <trism> Darxus: quantal first then oneiric at the end?
[01:19] <trism> Darxus: ahh
[01:19] <Darxus> No, one oneric at the top, then lots of quantal.
[01:20] <Darxus> It looks like quantal successfully overwrote grub, and then every attempt I've made from oneric has not worked.
[01:21] <trism> Darxus: if oneiric is at the top, then oneiric should be managing grub, since the quantal ones in grub.cfg are listed later from os-prober
[01:21] <Darxus> Hmm, okay.
[01:22] <trism> Darxus: but since about oneiric, it hides the extra kernels under "Previous Linux versions", so maybe you are just noticing that now since you reinstalled on oneiric?
[01:22] <trism> Darxus: is oneiric an upgrade?
[01:22] <Darxus> Could be.
[01:22] <Darxus> The oneric partition... I've had for a while, upgraded through a few releases.
[01:23] <Darxus> Trying another reboot...
[01:25] <Darxus> trism: Hah, everything is working as expected now, thank you very much.
[01:26] <Darxus> My actual problem was, my video card needs to be blacklisted for the gfxpayload thing, and I have no idea how I used to have that set up under oneric.  And I guess that got broken when I upgraded quantal.
[01:26] <Darxus> But adding GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text to /etc/default/grub then updating and installing it worked, now that I expected the order of kernels I was actually seeing.
[01:28] <trism> Darxus: excellent, glad it is working now. I usually install my testing partition using ubiquity -b; so it doesn't touch grub
[01:28] <Darxus> Boot loaders have gotten so much more magical / complicated in the last... 17 years.  Damn.
[01:28] <trism> indeed
[01:29] <Darxus> I miss my completely hand written lilo config files :P
[02:23] <h00k> lol lilo :(
[03:44] <bjsnider> looking forward to the new nautilus: http://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/nautilus.png
[03:51] <tsimpson> or you can use dolphin, and have the same features years ago
[03:52] <IdleOne> heh
[04:04] <bjsnider> yeah, but i'd also have all of the problems with kde to keep me company, and i don't have time for that crap
[11:42] <peterrus> Hey, I still seem to have this issue in an updated version of quantal, could it be that this fix is not yet available in quantal for some reason? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/947723
[12:06] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[12:18] <philinux> hi BluesKaj
[12:19] <BluesKaj> hi phil
[12:19] <BluesKaj> philinux,
[12:33] <smartboyhw> \o BluesKaj
[12:34] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[14:42] <tbf> wow! quantal supports disk encryption out of the box with the desktop image?
[14:42] <Pici> yep.
[14:42] <tbf> yeah!
[14:43] <tbf> \O/
[14:43] <tbf> well done everyone
[15:03] <thebishop> hey folks
[15:04] <thebishop> i'm looking forward to trying Beta 1 tomorrow.  Can anyone talk about the current state of support for Synaptics clickpads and power consumption overall?
[15:06] <peterrus> thebishop, my clickpad works almost as it should
[15:06] <peterrus> I had to hack in some palmdetection though
[15:06] <peterrus> and setting the 'disable touchpad while typing' checkbox does nothing, so I had to enable that through a synclient argument
[15:06] <peterrus> power consumption depends on your hardware
[15:07] <peterrus> tbf, do you mean root partition encryption? or just homefolder? because it does that for ages ;)
[15:07] <peterrus> Hey, I still seem to have this issue in an updated version of quantal, could it be that this fix is not yet available in quantal for some reason? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/947723
[15:08] <thebishop> peterrus, is click+drag improved?  On 12.04 I got things mostly working by specifying the right-click boundary using synclient.  but multitouch behaviors (click+drag, drop down boxes, etc) are still a little flakey.  it works but the cursor frequently gets confused
[15:09] <peterrus> thebishop, yes, It seems (not 100% sure) this was fixed a few days ago or so
[15:09] <peterrus> let me try ;)
[15:09] <peterrus> thebishop, yes dragging is fixed, I when my finger reaches the boundary of the clickpad, I can now use another finger to continue dragiing
[15:10] <peterrus> multitouch gestures work as wel
[15:10] <peterrus> I can move a window with 3 fingers
[15:10] <thebishop> for example: if i drag a window to the top of the screen, and don't let go, the cursor is often way above the window
[15:10] <peterrus> and unmaximize it with a 4 finger pinch
[15:11] <peterrus> thebishop, cant seem to reproduce that sorry
[15:11] <thebishop> http://i.imgur.com/9CusK.jpg - the cursor was in "grab/drag" mode before I hit the print screen button
[15:11] <thebishop> i can continue dragging the window, but the cursor is way above the window like that
[15:11] <tbf> peterrus, root partition encryption
[15:12] <peterrus> thebishop, I have never seen this to be honest
[15:12] <thebishop> ah ok
[15:12] <peterrus> so that might be a good sign ;)
[15:12] <thebishop> heh
[15:12] <thebishop> did you use 12.04 a lot?
[15:12] <peterrus> tbf, oh nice!
[15:12] <peterrus> thebishop, not on the desktop no ;)
[15:14] <peterrus> thebishop, about the powerconsumption, I can run my zenbook for 4 hours at least, maybe 5
[15:14] <peterrus> its not as optimal as on windows
[15:14] <peterrus> but it's getting close
[15:22] <thebishop> I get about 3:30 on my Envy 14, after I turn off the dedicated graphics (from the command line), and enable all the tunables in PowerTOP
[15:23] <thebishop> it's using about 16W at that point
[20:11] <silverarrow> hi
[20:11] <silverarrow> how do I go about troubles with installing Quantal beta
[20:11] <silverarrow> ?
[20:12] <silverarrow> the intaller doesn't work on a ibook G4
[20:12] <silverarrow> there were issues with precise too, but a bit different
[20:27] <kanliot> ah silverarrow you're here too
[20:27] <kanliot> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046175
[20:27] <kanliot> is that your bug?
[20:27] <silverarrow> yeah, I thoug someone  might have an idea abou the live cd installer
[20:28] <silverarrow> no, installer doesn''t even lauch
[20:29] <kanliot> can you get to a console if the pc boots?
[20:36] <silverarrow> I can try
[20:40] <silverarrow> b43-phy0 error
[20:41] <silverarrow> If i don't launch anyting, i get a terminal
[20:41] <silverarrow> I am in terminal now kanliot?
[20:41] <silverarrow> any ideas?
[20:43] <kanliot> silverarrow, type ubuntu-bug ubiquity... see if it opens a web browser
[20:44] <silverarrow> I cant, keyboad is wacked up
[20:46] <jtaylor> how does one get the dash to default on the applications and not music?
[20:46] <jtaylor> it changed with unity 6.4.0
[20:47] <kanliot> silverarrow, just file a bug against ubiquity, and open up http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22623/testcases  < that page and type in the launchpad bug number
[20:48] <kanliot> by "just file a bug" i mean use a working machine to type in a new bug with description and steps
[20:48] <kanliot> make sure you mention it's quantal
[21:02] <silverarrow> crap system for filing bugs
[21:02] <silverarrow> !"#¤
[21:06] <silverarrow> what does this mean ? Invalid bug list, bug numbers must be made of digits and separate by commas.
[21:08] <kanliot> like 1992922
[21:20] <silverarrow> how am I suppose to know wich bug number is next?
[21:20] <silverarrow> j
[21:20] <silverarrow> I like the auto launcher though
[21:20] <silverarrow> I wish I could be wired
[21:20] <silverarrow> I can do it tomorrow
[21:20] <silverarrow> from the autolauncher