[06:13] <Xammblu> Hello. Anyone have a min to help a newbie with extracting (wallpapers) to my system so I may use them?
[08:19] <Blazemore> And he's gone
[08:34] <geirha> When he said a min, he really meant it ...
[08:34] <Blazemore> I don't have JOIN PART NICK QUIT on this channel
[08:35] <Blazemore> Or any channel, by default. It keeps ##linux and #python actually readable
[08:35] <Blazemore> Only the smaller, social channels where I actually know people and care who is joining and leaving
[09:01] <geirha> well, the message came at 08:13 (my time), and the PART cam at 08:14 :)
[09:12] <bread> hi, how do i install a program? what sort of file do i need to be able to install a program?
[09:13] <Blazemore> bread: Use the Ubuntu Software Centre
[09:13] <bread> I tried that, but the particular program I want to install isn't on there.
[09:15] <bread> would it be impossible to install if it's not there?
[09:15] <Blazemore> What program would you like to install?
[09:15] <Blazemore> Have you found any installation instructions for it?
[09:16] <bread> it's called pps and it's a chinese program so the instructions, if there are any, are in chinese. which i'm not so good at reading
[09:17] <Blazemore> ooh sounds tricky!
[09:17] <Blazemore> Have you tried googling for Ubuntu installation instructions? Post a link to its webpage here
[09:18] <bread> I believe this is the webpage the program came from... http://www.ppstv.org/article/236.html
[09:20] <Blazemore> I'm looking
[09:21] <Blazemore> bread: http://download.ppstream.com/linux/PPStream.deb
[09:21] <bread> where it says - sudo dpkg-i ppstream_1.0.2-1_i386.deb - would that be the line that you need to put into terminal to install the actual program? do need to install libraries as well
[09:21] <Blazemore> Bread give me a sec
[09:21] <Blazemore> if you're happy with a terminal, do this
[09:21] <Blazemore> wget http://download.ppstream.com/linux/PPStream.deb
[09:21] <Blazemore> sudo dpkg -i PPStream.deb
[09:21] <Blazemore> see if it works
[09:22] <bread> ok... downloaded
[09:23] <bread> went to open it and got a 'the package is of bad quality' - details - The package doesn't provide a valid Installed-Size control field. See Debian Policy 5.6.20.
[09:23] <Blazemore> sure
[09:23] <Blazemore> What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[09:23] <bread> 12.04?
[09:23] <Blazemore> ok
[09:23] <Blazemore> Try the command-line
[09:23] <Blazemore> wget http://download.ppstream.com/linux/PPStream.deb
[09:23] <Blazemore> sudo dpkg -i PPStream.deb
[09:26] <bread> command not found
[09:26] <bread> downloaded ok though, i believe
[09:26] <Blazemore> yes
[09:27] <Blazemore> you mistyped dpkg -i
[09:28] <Blazemore> sudo dpkg -i PPStream.deb
[09:28] <bread> ha, you inside my machine? errors were encountered while processing: ppstream
[09:29] <Blazemore> sudo dpkg -i PPStream.deb | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[09:29] <Blazemore> copy-paste that exactly
[09:29] <Blazemore> And give me the URL it gives you at the end
[09:30] <bread> the program curl is not installed, install?
[09:30] <Blazemore> ugh
[09:31] <Blazemore> lol yeah sorry, sudo apt-get install curl
[09:31] <Blazemore> I can't *believe* Ubuntu doesn't come with curl
[09:31] <Blazemore> Or you could copy and paste the errors from dpkg onto pastebin.com
[09:31] <Blazemore> If you prefer
[09:31] <Blazemore> Basically I just want to see the errors that dpkg gave you, because then I can definitely tell you how to fix them
[09:33] <bread> ppstream : Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[09:33] <bread>             Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[09:33] <bread>             Depends: libqt4-webkit (>= 4.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[09:33] <bread>             Depends: mplayer
[09:33] <bread> that make any sense?
[09:35] <Blazemore> Yes
[09:35] <Blazemore> now run sudo apt-get -f install
[09:36] <Blazemore> That will install those dependencies, and then install the .deb again for you
[09:36] <Blazemore> Installing a deb manually won't bring down all the other packages it needs, so apt-get -f install will
[09:37] <bread> that'd be the 'library' the other ones talkin about needing
[09:37] <bread> ?
[09:40] <bread> now it's there, but when i open it it doesn't stay open...
[09:44] <bread> that's sorted, half works now
[09:54] <Blazemore> cool
[09:54] <Blazemore> Probably can't help you with the actual application though :3
[09:58] <bread> haha, oh well... it's for watching movies and that, the part that links to the titles of the programs to watch does nothing
[09:59] <bread> would that be a library thing that needs to be found?
[09:59] <Blazemore> Possibly. Take a look at that website again and see if there's a list of dependancies
[09:59] <Blazemore> Install them all one by one with `sudo apt-get install package-name`
[10:00] <bread> Recommended use apt-get install: sudo apt-get install libqt4-core libqt4-dbus libqt4-gui libqt4-network libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libfuse2 mplayer all that maybe?
[10:01] <Blazemore> yeah, looks promising
[10:01] <bread> neat, i'll give that a go
[10:01] <Blazemore> That might bring in quite a lot of other stuff, mind
[10:01] <Blazemore> Won't be a problem for your system, but might take a while to download
[10:06] <bread> said that all those were already the latest version
[10:07] <Blazemore> I guess then, that it's just some buggy chinese software that was written a while ago and doesn't work with recent editions of Ubuntu
[10:08] <Blazemore> it seems you've done all you can
[10:09] <Blazemore> Try running it from the command-line, if you know what command to use
[10:09] <bread> ah well.. might have to look for something newer then. now, how to get rid of it...
[10:09] <bread> funny
[10:09] <Blazemore> sudo apt-get remove packagename
[10:09] <bread> that's not so complicated
[10:09] <Blazemore> probably sudo apt-get get remove ppstream
[10:09] <Blazemore> Yep, that's the point of a package manager ^^
[10:12] <bread> awesome, thanks for your help. will try and find a newer version, may be out the somewhere... who knows
[10:12] <Blazemore> That's OK I hope you learned something you can apply in the future
[10:13] <bread> yea, have done. if nothing else i've got sudo apt-get install blabla and sudo apt-get remove blabla
[10:14] <Blazemore> if you take one thing away
[10:14] <Blazemore> "dpkg doesn't install dependencies automatically, you have to run apt-get -f install afterwards to fix missing dependencies"
[10:16] <bread> written that one down
[10:17] <Blazemore> lol
[10:17] <bread> think i've found a newer version to try and install now too
[10:18] <Blazemore> nice
[10:18] <Blazemore> plus, you already have the dependencies :D
[10:19] <bread> neat
[10:39] <bread> hey, still working on getting pps. found a website that says to do this
[10:39] <bread> 1) Open the terminal
[10:40] <bread> 2) Enter gksudo gedit / etc / apt / sources.list
[10:40] <bread> 3) the following words into the last line, and then save it, close down after.
[10:40] <bread> # Ppstream
[10:40] <bread> the deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/cnav/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[10:40] <bread> http://ppa.launchpad.net/cnav/ppa/ubuntu natty main deb-src
[10:40] <bread> 4) Input terminal sudo apt-get update
[10:40] <bread> 5) after the input sudo apt-get install libfuse2 mplayer
[10:40] <bread> 6) After the input sudo apt-get install ppstream
[10:40] <bread> 7) installed PPStream "Tools> Options> Select the audio device" to set the current audio device is set to the alsa
[10:42] <Blazemore> OK
[10:42] <Blazemore> How much of that have you done?
[10:43] <bread> none, said i could change files that shouldn't be changed so i stopped.  not good enough with computers to fix a major screw up...
[10:43] <Blazemore> it's fine
[10:44] <Blazemore> You won't break anything by doing any of those steps
[10:44] <bread> ok then
[10:44] <Blazemore> apt-get update will complain about a missing GPG key though
[10:44] <Blazemore> It's not an error
[10:46] <bread> nothing seems to happen, as soon as i put a password in theres only a new line on terminal
[10:47] <Blazemore> at which step?
[10:47] <bread> 2. can't figure out where the last line is nor how to save
[10:47] <Blazemore> close the text editor
[10:47] <Blazemore> don't save
[10:47] <Blazemore> copy-paste this
[10:47] <Blazemore> into a terminal:
[10:48] <Blazemore> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cnav/ppa
[10:49] <Blazemore> sudo apt-get update
[10:49] <bread> k
[10:49] <Blazemore> sudo apt-get install ppstream
[10:51] <bread> package ppstream has no installation candidate
[10:51] <bread> i'm guessing that means theres no pps where this says there should be?
[10:51] <Blazemore> did you run apt-get update first?
[10:51] <Blazemore> and did it give you any errors?
[10:53] <bread> i did... and no errors
[10:53] <bread> Package ppstream is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:53] <bread> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:53] <bread> is only available from another source
[10:53] <bread> E: Package 'ppstream' has no installation candidate
[10:54] <Blazemore> OK I got it
[10:54] <Blazemore> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cnav-ppa-precise.list
[10:54] <Blazemore> Where it says "precise main" at the end of each line
[10:55] <Blazemore> Change it to "natty main"
[10:55] <Blazemore> Then save and close
[10:55] <Blazemore> and run sudo apt-get update again
[10:56] <bread> then install?
[10:57] <Blazemore> yep
[10:57] <bread> it's doin stuff now
[10:58] <Blazemore> :D
[10:59] <bread> it's installed now, trying to run it...
[11:05] <lukjad> Ohai Blazemore
[11:09] <bread> Thanks for your help Blazemore. didn't work for some reasons, needed to restart to complete the update. instead of just runnning
[11:09] <bread> gonna take it off and try again another day
[11:11] <Blazemore> Hey lukjad
[11:13] <lukjad> :)
[14:10] <Afdal> Anyone know what it means when a fresh install hangs forever at "Starting CUPS printing spooler/server     [OK]" when trying to boot?
[14:10] <Afdal> I'm on a live CD now because I can't boot
[14:12] <holstein> Afdal: i would just force a disk check... maybe test the hard drive and memory
[14:12] <Afdal> I can't figure out what to do.  This seems to be a common problem with people upgrading their OS and missing some packages or something, but this is a new installation for me
[14:12] <holstein> Afdal: did you upgrade? is this a fresh install?
[14:12] <Afdal> yes, fresh
[14:12] <holstein> ok.. i would confirm the hardward is "good"
[14:13] <Afdal> how do you mean?
[14:13] <Afdal> I use this computer for a Windows XP install as well
[14:13] <Blazemore> If you're having problems after a fresh installation, and don't have problems with any other OS, it's probably a problem during the installation, or with the install medium
[14:13] <Blazemore> Check the install medium before you run the installation
[14:14] <holstein> Afdal: if the live CD is working fine, then it could be a hard drive error.. it could be a file system error..
[14:14] <holstein> and also, i agree with Blazemore as a test
[14:14] <holstein> !md5 | Afdal
[14:14] <ubot2> Afdal: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[14:14] <Blazemore> Doesn't the CD have an option in the boot menu to check the integrity?
[14:14] <holstein> Blazemore: somewhere.. i think you have to tap shift now?
[14:15] <Afdal> I dunno, this is a Xubuntu 10 CD
[14:15] <holstein> Afdal: i would get a current CD.. a 12.04
[14:15] <Afdal> oh wait
[14:15] <Afdal> it's that
[14:15] <holstein> ok.. theres a test like Blazemore is suggesting when you tap shift booting the live CD
[14:15] <holstein> you can "verify" the md5 sum of the downloaded iso.. or test the disc from the menu
[14:16] <Blazemore> Because verifying the iso is one thing, but there could be a problem burning the CD (far more liekly)
[14:16] <Blazemore> *likely
[14:17] <holstein> yup... the test on the disc should be the only one you need to do
[14:17] <Afdal> How can I do this from the live CD boot?
[14:17] <Afdal> which I am currently on
[14:17] <holstein> Afdal: you can reboot.. and tap shift while its booting
[14:17] <Afdal> <.<
[14:17] <Afdal> Is there a way to do it without rebooting?
[14:18] <holstein> Afdal: you'll see a list of text.. in that text will be something about verifying the image
[14:18] <Afdal> I have a bunch of firefox tabs and some other things open right now to help me troubleshoot this which I don't want to lose when I reboot
[14:18] <holstein> Afdal: sure.. you can verify the downloaded iso's md5 sum from the link above, but that doesnt mean the disc isnt a bad burn
[14:18] <holstein> Afdal: you'll likely need to reboot from that live environment to test things
[14:19] <Afdal> okay so I reboot and tap shift when?
[14:19] <Afdal> When it's in the menu for options?
[14:19] <holstein> Afdal: that would be the easy way to know that that disc is "good"
[14:20] <Afdal> install, try without installing, etc.
[14:20] <holstein> Afdal: theres an alternate menu you should see by tapping shift
[14:20] <holstein> a hidden one
[14:20] <Afdal> am I tapping shift before that menu pops up?
[14:21] <holstein> Afdal: i start tapping shift rigth after the bios
[14:21] <holstein> Afdal: its one of those things you can try again if you want
[14:21] <Afdal> Well
[14:21] <Afdal> I doubt this is the problem
[14:21] <Afdal> but fine
[14:22] <Afdal> pretty sure I've verified the md5 of this CD before too
[14:22] <Afdal> or at least the ISO
[14:22] <holstein> Afdal: cool.. you'll know if a few minutes.. and the md5 is just one test.. the burner or disc could be bad
[14:23] <Afdal> I guess I'll be back :/
[14:23] <holstein> Afdal: this ist he nature of it.. testing.. troubleshooting.. ruling things out
[14:23] <Afdal> so how does it check the md5 sum without internet access
[14:24] <Blazemore> it knows what its own md5sum is supposed to be
[14:24] <Blazemore> it checks the integrity of each file
[14:24] <Afdal> oh okay
[14:24] <Afdal> I guess I'll go try this
[14:24] <holstein> Afdal: it works quite well.. if it tests positive, and you feel it is a false postive, we can communicate about that
[14:25] <Blazemore> If the download's md5sum says valid, and the disk integrity check says OK, isn't the only other alternative a hash collision?
[14:25] <Blazemore> In which case, go buy a lottery ticket because you're on a roll
[14:35] <Afdal> Yeah, no errors on my disk
[14:35] <Afdal> Didn't need to tap Shift either, forgot that "check disc for errors" was a default option on the live CD
[14:35] <holstein> Afdal: the CD? or the hard drive?
[14:36] <Afdal> the CD
[14:36] <holstein> theres a memory test on the cd as well.. those would be my next steps
[14:36] <Afdal> <.<
[14:36] <Afdal> Well
[14:36] <Afdal> I use this drive for my other OS too
[14:36] <Afdal> they're fairly new too
[14:36] <holstein> sure... then, what would you like to do?
[14:36] <Afdal> I doubt they're failing
[14:36] <holstein> i just test and rule things out
[14:36] <holstein> i dont doubt.. i test
[14:36] <holstein> *all* drives will fail
[14:37] <Afdal> so the memory test is for your drive
[14:37] <Afdal> not RAM?
[14:37] <holstein> and, it could be just a file system error
[14:38] <holstein> Afdal: i would test both, if it were me.. you can do what you like.. i'll help you with whatever you decide.. i just like to rule these out, since it's relatively easy, and i dont waste time on softare tweaking if its a hardware issue
[14:38] <Afdal> good grief fine
[14:38] <holstein> good grief?
[14:38] <Afdal> But I'll be having a breakdown if my drives are already failing D:<
[14:38] <Afdal> goooood grief
[14:39] <holstein> Afdal: the times drives typically fail are when they are of course old, or also, right out of the box
[14:39] <Afdal> so the memory check does what now?
[14:39] <Afdal> I have three hard drives
[14:39] <holstein> i just test and then i dont wonder.. i know its file
[14:39] <Afdal> one's for storage
[14:39] <Afdal> the other two are for booting Windows/Linux on a RAID0 setup
[14:39] <holstein> Afdal: then, maybe you just have a grub error that is hanging the boot
[14:39] <Afdal> I'm booting with super GRUB2 disk
[14:39] <holstein> Afdal: you need to have whatever drives present that were present during boot
[14:40] <Afdal> because GRUB is retarded and has a problem detecting RAID partitions
[14:40] <holstein> Afdal: this is useful information.. that is a point of failure
[14:40] <Afdal> all right lemme do the memory check real quick
[14:40] <holstein> i would look at that setup, and how you configured it as well
[14:40] <Afdal> brb
[15:24] <ubuntu> Well I did the memory test
[15:24] <Afdal> But that just checked my RAM