[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[07:47] <dholbach> hi iulian
[08:02] <ajmitch> hi
[08:06] <iulian> ajmitch!
[08:35] <ajmitch> iulian!
[08:35] <ajmitch> (yes I know I replied late :) )
[08:36] <iulian> :)
[13:21] <Oranger> Sorry to break this very awesome silent but do all paquets contained in this page http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/gnome.html must have to be updated ?
[13:21] <Oranger> *packets
[13:23] <Laney> no
[13:23] <Laney> there's a key at the bottom, but in any case each update should be considered on a case-by-case basis
[16:40] <highvoltage> ScottK: ooh, going to UDS again?
[16:40] <highvoltage> ooh and Emmet too buy the looks of things
[17:06] <achiang> any patch pilots around?
[17:07] <jtaylor> achiang: herton in -devel
[17:07] <achiang> jtaylor: cool, thanks
[17:14] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: you're going twice? i see
[17:14] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: why go once when I can go twice for just twice the price?
[17:15] <tumbleweed> do you get to share a room with yourself?
[17:15] <tumbleweed> (that could be awkward)
[17:15] <highvoltage> good question.
[17:32] <micahg> achiang: about wader, as there are API changes, but no consumer in the archive, I'm torn, but I think you should ask for an FFe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[17:33] <achiang> micahg: hm, yeah, there are no consumers that i'm aware of. :-/
[17:34] <achiang> micahg: i mean, anywhere, at all, let alone the archive
[17:36] <achiang> micahg: i will ask for FFe, thanks
[17:42] <jtaylor> micahg: did your ruby-vmc ping get any pongs?
[17:42] <micahg> jtaylor: sorry, I wasn't clear yesterday, when I said go for it, I meant file for the removal of ruby-vmc
[17:44] <jtaylor> I though you wanted check if people and canonical use it?
[17:44] <jtaylor> and/at
[17:45] <micahg> jtaylor: I did and was told it's ok to remove :), we'll see if anyone screams when we file for removal
[17:48] <iulian> achiang, micahg: Do you want me to reject it for now and see the outcome of the FFe?
[17:48] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: can you ack the removal in the ffe?
[17:48] <micahg> iulian: please
[17:49] <jtaylor> 1045460
[17:49] <iulian> micahg: It's gone.
[17:49] <micahg> iulian: thanks
[17:50] <micahg> jtaylor: aren't you removing both packages now?  why do you need an ACK?
[17:50] <jtaylor> the ffe was for trying to fix it
[17:50] <jtaylor> removing needs ffe's too I guessed
[17:50] <micahg> jtaylor: nope, not unless it's going to break something else
[18:34] <ScottK> highvoltage: Yes.
[21:11] <jtaylor> ScottK: I didn't know your an archive admin
[21:11] <jtaylor> is that new?
[21:12] <ScottK> jtaylor: No.  I have been for several years.  It's relatively new that non-Canonical archive admins can do removals though.
[21:13] <jtaylor> k, thanks for the removals
[21:18] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[21:22] <ajmitch> we need more non-canonical AAs
[21:25] <tumbleweed> that doesn't seem to be something that'll happen in a hurry
[21:26] <tumbleweed> we're very conservative about appointing AAs
[21:26] <ajmitch> no, but it might help with the queue length at times, and I think that AAs don't require shell access now?
[21:27] <tumbleweed> AAs don't have shell access any more
[21:27] <tumbleweed> (AFAIK)
[21:31]  * ajmitch can understand the need to be conservative, but we get told that the existing AAs have no time
[21:32] <tumbleweed> Laney: become an AA, already
[21:32] <Laney> no u
[21:33] <ajmitch> Laney: but you understand our problems, you're our only hope!
[21:33] <Laney> you both need to volunteer yourselves
[21:34] <ajmitch> they wouldn't take me :)
[21:34] <Laney> one way to find out :-(
[21:34] <tumbleweed> well, at least the upload queue issue should be much better now that SRU and release teams have access
[21:34] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: NEW isn't
[21:35] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: technically, I think the release team may be able to do it. But not without permission
[21:36] <ajmitch> as long as someone does it
[21:36] <tumbleweed> I assume we'll have follow-up UDS sessions about this all
[21:36] <Laney> less complain more volunteer
[21:36] <Laney> seriously!
[21:36] <ajmitch> Laney: I offered on IRC, no response
[21:36] <tumbleweed> Laney: I thought the policy was no !canonical (except ScottK, he's special)
[21:37] <Laney> I would be very surprised if there were such a policy
[21:37] <Laney> dear thread, you are too big
[21:38]  * ajmitch is struggling to keep up with reading the arb process thread
[21:40] <iulian> tumbleweed: We've got the button to do NEW but we need some training first before pushing it. :)
[21:43]  * Laney is mailing
[21:43] <ajmitch> uh oh
[21:48] <Laney> boom
[21:48] <xnox> Laney: well there are some actions which !canonical can't do, although that may have changed with all the lp work that landed to not require shell access on canonical servers.
[21:49] <xnox> Laney: ajmitch: according to infinity, if you are good enough they invite people to train up and become AA
[21:50] <ajmitch> xnox: that's good
[21:51] <Laney> I think the difference is pretty small now
[21:51] <Laney> definitely does not include NEW
[21:51] <xnox> ajmitch: I will pretend that I know this _not_ because I've asked to be AA.....
[21:51] <Laney> hoepfully the mail will prompt some invites to be issued
[21:51]  * xnox looks all innocent =)
[21:51] <xnox> Laney: are you in the office on Friday then?
[21:51] <Laney> well
[21:51] <Laney> find me a cheap way to get there from Nottingham and I will come
[21:52] <Laney> trains are £££
[21:52] <ajmitch> heh
[21:52] <ajmitch> Laney: cheaper for you to get there than me :)
[21:52] <iulian> Heh. That was a good one. :)
[21:52] <xnox> Laney: =))) ok.
[21:52] <Laney> I could start cycling now?
[21:53] <xnox> LOL
[21:53] <iulian> Why not?
[21:53] <iulian> You'll get here by Friday I reckon.
[21:55] <ajmitch> it does sort of exclude doing useful work in the meantime
[21:57] <xnox> Laney: you could be the new uds story "somebody cycles from nottingham to London to rebuild packages for 1 hour and cycle back home to get home by monday" =)))))
[21:57] <ajmitch> crazy people :)
[21:58] <Laney> hur de hur