[00:16] <adam_g> zul: no
[00:16] <zul> adam_g: lemme just finish dinner and ill do it
[00:18] <adam_g> zul: what needs to be done do it, exactly?
[00:18] <zul> adam_g:  add it to the lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/quantal/seeds basically
[00:18] <zul> then magic
[00:19] <adam_g> zul: oh, i guess i can do it and send a merge proposal if you don't want to
[00:19] <zul> adam_g: probably faster if i just did it
[00:20] <adam_g> cool go for it. dont forget python-cliff-tablib too
[00:22] <zul> you mean cliff-tablib
[00:24] <zul> actually i think cliff-tablib will be picked up automatically as well, anyways done
[00:33] <adam_g> zul: nice, thanks
[00:39] <smoser> hallyn, that was quantal
[01:53] <hallyn> smoser: can you file a bug?  i'ts supposed to do that (in the block starting at line 180)
[05:44] <blackshirt> hello
[05:45] <AaronMickDee> hi...
[07:19] <koolhead17> morning all
[07:26] <Gargoyle> morn'
[07:30] <Gargoyle> So I enabled logging in debug mode and CoreDumpDirectory, apache client process segfaulted about an hour ago and I have nothing useful in my log and no core dump.
[08:37] <adac> hi guys. how to add an existing user to a group?
[08:38] <tinyhippo> gpasswd -a user group
[08:57] <ffunenga> hello
[08:57] <ffunenga> I've found something in my /var/log/auth.log
[08:58] <ffunenga> and I would like to ask for help
[08:58] <ffunenga> "Failed password for invalid user root from 202.138.126.128 port 39399 ssh2"
[08:59] <ffunenga> and that ip has failed more attempts every day
[09:08] <jamespage> lynxman, a new snapshot of ipxe fixed my issue
[09:08] <Troy^> ffunenga: block that ip if it is from the same ip
[09:08] <jamespage> lynxman, wish I had spotted this before feature freeze....
[09:10] <ffunenga> Troy: I've user "sudo iptables -A INPUT -s  202.138.126.128 -j DROP"
[09:10] <ffunenga> is there any tool to block any IP that tries to access the root account via ssh?
[09:11] <RoyK> !ufw
[09:11] <RoyK> !denyhosts
[09:12] <RoyK> ffunenga: denyhosts will block ip's from which illegal login attempts come
[09:12] <RoyK> ffunenga: I use it on my servers
[09:12] <RoyK> ffunenga: it's rather triggerhappy on failed root login attempts ;)
[09:16] <ffunenga> I didnt know ufw, it seems great. Ok I will now test denyhosts
[09:16] <ffunenga> thanks
[09:16] <Tellmarch> ffunenga, root is disable by default for ssh anyway
[09:16] <RoyK> ufw is neat
[09:16] <Tellmarch> so there is no risk
[09:16] <RoyK> but doesn§t support all of iptables' stuff
[09:17] <RoyK> Tellmarch: it's not disabled by default, but by default, there's no root password, so ssh as root won't work. default ssh settings is to *allow* root login
[09:18] <Tellmarch> really?
[09:18] <Tellmarch> well, it's the same, no matter how long he tries, he won't find the password
[09:18] <RoyK> sshd will, by default, not allow login to an account without a password
[09:18] <Tellmarch> you're right, PermitRootLogin yes.... I thought this was "no" in the past...
[09:18] <RoyK> but if you set a root password, you will be allowed ssh in, unless you reconfigure sshd
[09:19] <RoyK> it's usually 'no' on my machines ;)
[09:22] <ffunenga> Tellmarch: I've inserted a rule in /etc/ssh/sshd_config that only lets my user access the server: "AllowUser ffunenga"
[09:29] <Anomie21> Trying to uninstall MySQL so I can reinstall but I keep getting this error Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[09:29] <Anomie21> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:32] <Sachin__> does flock() work at thread level or process level/
[10:34] <Sachin__> does flock() work at thread level or process level?
[11:17] <koolhead17> DavidLevin: around
[11:17] <koolhead17> Daviey:
[11:20] <Daviey> koolhead17:
[11:28] <jamespage> smb, your cirrus driver symptoms look just like mine BTW - it certainly does not fail all of the time
[11:29] <smb> jamespage, Yeah, it fails when the cirrus module fails the VRAM setup. Just don't know why, yet.
[11:32] <jamespage> smb, well if you need me to poke anything to help out just let me know
[11:33] <smb> jamespage, Sure, at least I know understand the random behaviour. Does not help when one had also wiggled around with boot options at the same time...
[11:34] <xnox> well it's always reproducible if I have full disk encryption.
[11:35] <xnox> e.g server or desktop installer choose full-disk encryption.
[11:36] <xnox> every reboot. and me and slangasek did many reboots while trying to triange if it was grub/plymouth or kernel issue. and we deducted it to be kernel.
[11:36] <xnox> every boot fails.
[11:36] <xnox> plus note that every other boot is possibly in grub's last-boot-failed code path so boot experience is the same.
[11:37] <xnox> s/is the same/slightly different/ =)
[12:19] <smoser> hallyn,
[12:19] <smoser> bug 1046117
[13:00] <smoser> hallyn, ping
[13:01] <smoser> i'm wondering how i get output of:
[13:01] <smoser>  sudo lxc-start --name=$R-amd64 -- /sbin/init --verbose
[13:04] <smoser> rbasak, so i'm pretty sure that your issue is different than the lxc wone we were seeing
[13:04] <smoser> as in your case eth0 is comming up but events are somewhere etting lost
[13:04] <rbasak> It seems that eth0 is being brought up after cloud-init-nonet has timed out
[13:04] <smoser> but in the lxc case (that forced us to add 'start networking') it seems that the networking for the given nic never cam eup
[13:04] <rbasak> And that bringing eth0 up (or at least running ifup.d) is being blocked when cloud-init-nonet blocks.
[13:05] <smoser> rbasak, that makes sense.
[13:05] <tdr112> I wonder can anyone help me, i am installing from usb on a server i pick install ubuntu then i get a blank screen
[13:05] <smoser> i know that at one point we had a better undersanding of this problem (at least the lxc ase)
[13:14] <rbasak> smoser: one thing that concerns me is that I'm using hackery to generate the image in the first place, and I wonder if this is introducing a problem. How soon could you publish official armhf/highbank dailies to eliminate this?
[13:15] <smoser> what hackery are you using ?
[13:15] <smoser> nothign you've shown me would cuase this.
[13:15] <smoser> so unless you've been lying to me.
[13:15] <smoser> hm..
[13:15] <rbasak> I'm using dannf's Makefile
[13:15] <rbasak> That's it really
[13:15] <smoser> but i should look again at dannf's make file i guess.
[13:15] <smoser> link ?
[13:15] <rbasak> I modified it to use -proposed (for a highbank kernel fix I need)
[13:16] <rbasak> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/maas/maas.ubuntu.com.images-ephemeral-arm
[13:18] <smoser> dannf sure loves 'cat'
[13:18] <rbasak> Yeah I did see a few extra ones in there
[13:19] <smoser> i really dont see anythign there that would cuase this
[13:21] <smoser> stgraber, sorry to always use you as my "hallyn isn't here fallback"
[13:22] <smoser> but do you know how i can get output of init from 'lxc-start .... -- /sbin/init --verbose' ?
[13:22] <smoser> i'm basically getting nothing.
[13:31] <stgraber> smoser: hmm, that should work... I'd suggest pinging jodh as he's been using lxc quite a bit for upstart development and testing
[13:31] <smoser> stgraber, you'd expect that to just go right to the console that i'm looking at?
[13:32] <stgraber> yeah and I'd assume it'd also end up in some kind of log somewhere...
[13:34] <smoser> jodh seems not around :-(
[13:34] <stgraber> smoser: gah, right, forgot, he's off until Monday...
[13:35] <smoser> i was testing quantal running precise
[13:35] <smoser> i will now test precise urnning precise
[13:36]  * hallyn reads up
[13:36] <smoser> but i swear that when i was debugging bug 800824 this used to work.
[13:37] <hallyn> smoser: how about 'lxc-start -c consoleoutput .... -- /sbin/init --verbose' ?
[13:38] <hallyn> oh wait
[13:38] <smoser> i got the same result with --console=/tmp/out as was going to console
[13:39] <hallyn> right
[13:39] <hallyn> init takes its arguments though env
[13:41] <hallyn> i.e. we pass 'container=lxc' to init by doing putenv("container=lxc")
[13:43] <smoser> hallyn, what?
[13:43] <smoser> init says it takes arguments via cmdline
[13:43] <smoser> its cmdline
[13:43] <hallyn> it takes them from the kernel's cmdline
[13:43] <hallyn> the kernel provides that to init through env
[13:45] <koolhead17> :)
[13:45] <koolhead17> Daviey: it was my stupidity
[13:45] <koolhead17> now nova/quantum
[13:46] <koolhead17> glance okey !!
[14:18] <smoser> hallyn,so are you saying what i want to do is impossible?
[14:18] <smoser> because i swear this used to work
[14:20] <hallyn> smoser: no.  I haven't gotten it to work.   BUT I think it has to do with how we're doing 'console' file now.
[14:21] <smoser> i swear it worked when i was debugging this bug the first time.
[14:21] <smoser> but it seems broken in precise also
[14:22] <jamespage> Daviey, hallyn: how would you guys feel about a new ipxe snapshot for quantal?
[14:22] <jamespage> I hit a bug yesterday with regards to IPXE iscsi san booting - its already reported upstream and is fixed in upstream git repo
[14:23] <jamespage> however it appears to be hard to say - "yeah - you need this commit"
[14:23] <hallyn> jamespage: sounds good.  mind pushing it?
[14:23] <jamespage> hallyn, it will need a FFe really
[14:23] <hallyn> why?  it sounds like it's broken
[14:23] <hallyn> not a feature
[14:23] <jamespage> well it works for most use cases
[14:24] <jamespage> I'm sure there are lots of other new features since the snapshot from feb we currently have
[14:24] <jamespage> 380 commits worth of stuff
[14:24] <hallyn> but oh i misunderstood
[14:24] <jamespage> to get up-to-date with HEAD
[14:24] <jamespage> if I could pick a specific commit for a patch I would had JFDI'ed it
[14:24] <hallyn> right
[14:24] <jamespage> (after beta-1 of course as its seeded)
[14:24] <hallyn> have you asked in -release?
[14:25] <jamespage> not yet
[14:25] <jamespage> bug 1045923 for reference
[14:27] <hallyn> smoser: yeah i can't even see the arguments in /proc/cmdline or /proc/1/cmdline in the container.
[14:30] <tdr112> hello all, I have been trying to use nomodeset to slove my boot problems with no luck
[14:30] <hallyn> whereas 'lxc-start -n qlvm1 -- /bin/bash -c /bin/ps -ef' does pass the arguments
[14:30] <hallyn> so upstart seems to be (newly) dropping them
[14:30] <tdr112> anything else i could try
[14:37] <Daviey> jamespage: a newer ipxe sounds good imo
[14:37] <jamespage> Daviey, is 380 commits going to cause me grief for a FFe?
[14:38] <jamespage> I tested it locally for my problem and it works just fine
[14:39] <Daviey> jamespage: i don't think so.. if hallyn is happy from a kvm PoV.
[14:42] <czajkowski> tdr112: ello
[14:49] <jamespage> Daviey, hallyn (+ anyone else): if I stick this in a PPA would you be OK to give it a sniff as well
[14:49] <jamespage> ?
[14:50] <hallyn> jamespage: sure, though i don't have any exotic tests or test recipes
[14:51] <jamespage> hallyn, just 'it didn't break kvm for me' would be good
[14:53] <hallyn> wonder if lynxman in his new role woudl still have use for testing it
[14:56] <czajkowski> tdr112: what issue are you having ?
[14:58] <tdr112> on a new server i cant get ubuntu to install, i am getting a blank screen after grub , i have tried NOMODESET but that does not help
[14:59] <czajkowski> most odd
[14:59] <czajkowski> Daviey: can you point tdr112 in the right direction please....
[15:00] <tdr112> to give more info its a dell r420
[15:01] <tdr112> booting from usb, I have tested the usb on another server and it boots to the installer fine
[15:01] <hallyn> smoser: do you find btrfs containers to actually be usable right now?
[15:01] <hallyn> (gauging importance of bug 1046117)
[15:02] <hallyn> every time i try btrfs i get corruption
[15:03] <smoser> hallyn, no
[15:03] <smoser> well, i dont know.
[15:03] <smoser> i opened that bug
[15:03] <smoser> because dielete didn't work
[15:04] <hallyn> right.  but if btrfs is unstable anyway then that bug becomes low priority :)
[15:04] <hallyn> but all right, fix should be simple.  I'l lstage it in ubuntu:lxc for now.
[15:05] <hallyn> smoser: setting up an oneiric container right now to see if it'll work with init --verbose
[15:06] <smoser> hallyn, well, both host and guest oneiric would be what i would have used
[15:06] <smoser> as there was no quantal host at that point
[15:06] <skrite> anyone running a mysql-cluster with also non-cluster tables in the same sql?
[15:07] <hallyn> smoser: yup, might nest if i have to :)
[15:07] <lynxman> hallyn: I'd gladly :)
[15:08] <smoser> hallyn, i'd trust htat result about as much as btrfs (nested)
[15:08] <hallyn> lynxman: \o/ thanks :)
[15:08] <hallyn> smoser: stgraber does it all the time
[15:08] <hallyn> have faith!
[15:09] <josepht> anyone know how to construct a menuentry for grub2 to boot an ubuntu-server iso?
[15:09] <smoser> tdr112, it'd be "nomodeset", not the capital
[15:09] <jamespage> hallyn, lynxman: hold the line - just spotted another commit that might fix it - trying now...
[15:09] <tdr112> smoser: i did try it in lowercase
[15:09] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187381/
[15:10] <smoser> i add that into /etc/default/grub
[15:10] <smoser> and sudo update-grub
[15:12] <smoser> tdr112, also, you can check if you're actually booting correctly or not. if you are seeing a grub prompt, its quite possible that you're booting up fine (getting network and everything) just blindly.
[15:12] <smoser> then ssh in and poke around
[15:17] <tdr112> smoser: its a blank system , i dont think the installer will have an ssh server on it
[15:21] <smoser> oh. i see. this is off the cd install. i thought you were saying afterwards.
[15:21] <smoser> how did you create the usb disk?
[15:21] <smoser> and from what iso?
[15:21] <tdr112> ubuntu-12.04.1-server-amd64.iso
[15:22] <smoser> how did you create?
[15:22] <tdr112> using unetbootin
[15:25] <smoser> i've never used that. but i would suggest trying with usb-creator-gtk before anything else.
[15:26] <tdr112> ok thanks smoser will do
[15:33] <jamespage> hallyn, lynxman, Daviey: OK - so that second patch fixed my bug; I'll defer the new snapshot until next release...
[15:34] <lynxman> jamespage: great \o/
[15:41] <tdr112> smoser: bad live usb , working now thanks
[15:48] <hallyn> jamespage: cool, thanks much
[15:48] <smoser> tdr112, good deal.
[16:50] <zul> soren: ping
[17:12] <hallyn> stgraber: hm.  i didn't do it.  But I assume you'd want clear_config() to be exported through the api?
[17:12] <hallyn> (note, a package fixing all your woes should be built in ppa:serge-hallyn/virt.  i'm still testing)
[17:14] <hallyn> yup, test.create("ubuntu") ends up with a nicely reloaded config
[17:35] <stgraber> hallyn: exporting clear_config() would be nice indeed. I don't have an immediate need for it, but that might change in the future.
[17:38] <hallyn> stgraber: I assume that would be deemed a new feature, alas
[17:38] <hallyn> simple enough to do though.
[17:39] <hallyn> let's let the current pending stuff settle a bit and then i'll export clear_config in my github tree
[17:40] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, that'd be a new feature, so will just keep it in git for now
[17:46] <lickalott> gents,  installed /boot on sda.  i have an sdb, sdc and sdd available that i have mounted in fstab and shared out through nfs.  problem is....sometimes the mounts don't take because /boot randomly jumps to sdb.  can i make the system always use sda for the OS?
[17:48] <Tellmarch> lickalott, you can give the mount throught the UUID instead of sda-d
[17:48] <Tellmarch> this way it's always the same thing
[17:50] <lickalott> i just learned about blkid 10 mins ago, so i'm sure I could but I don't really understand how to do it.
[17:51] <lickalott> same same? mount /dev/sdc1: UUID="81204814-775a-4ac8-923b-a6690381fe9b" /media/WHATEVER ?
[17:52] <lickalott> lemme google first
[17:55] <skaet> arosales, Daviey, utlemming,  could you take a pass and update what's making it in to Beta 1 (and noting the bits about to land right after), and any key bugs you want to warn folks about.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[18:03] <lickalott> Tellmarch, quick question....   right now sdb is the drive used for boot, swap, etc....  but it was installed against sda.  when I'm setting up fstab, do i want to use the UUID for sdb to mount 1 of my non-os drive?
[18:03] <lickalott> *drives
[18:03] <Tellmarch> sda, etc. can change
[18:03] <Tellmarch> while the UUID doesn't change
[18:04] <Tellmarch> so you make all the mounting without talking about sda, sdb, etc. at all
[18:04] <Tellmarch> this way you have no problem
[18:04] <Tellmarch> you say for instance, UUID 81204814-775a-4ac8-923b-a6690381fe9b will be in /boot, UUID (another) will be in /mnt/disk1, etc.
[18:05] <Tellmarch> then no matter if it's called sda or sdb, it will be in the same place in your filesystem
[18:05] <lickalott> okay...i got ya now.
[18:05] <lickalott> thanks!
[18:10] <lickalott> can I paste my fstab for you to look at?  i'm getting an error when i mount -a (mount.nfs: remote share not in 'host:dir' format)
[18:12] <lickalott> http://paste2.org/p/2194616
[18:48] <arosales> skaet: hello, I'll take a look and add any relevant bits
[18:49] <skaet> thanks arosales
[19:34] <lickalott> Tellmarch didn't work.  modified teh fstab, rebooted....no mounts
[19:45] <smoser> hallyn, around?
[19:45] <smoser> i've a questoin on lxc.conf
[19:47] <smoser> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man5/lxc.conf.5.html
[19:47] <smoser> the moutn point section says:
[19:48] <smoser>  the  path  of the rootfs mount point should be prefixed with  the  /usr/lib/lxc/root  default  path  or  the  value   of lxc.rootfs.mount if specified.
[19:48] <hallyn> smoser: yes, and while i'm here note that ppa:serge-hallyn/virt should have the fix for your btrfs lxc-destroysymlink woes
[19:49] <smoser> what does that mean?
[19:49] <smoser> /usr/lib/lxc/root seems wrong
[19:49] <hallyn> smoser: i think that's outdated
[19:49] <hallyn> it's outdated in more ways than one
[19:49] <hallyn> /usr/lib/lxc/roto is wrong, and it is actually preferred to not prefix the path, rather make it relative
[19:49] <hallyn> i.e. just 'dev/pts'
[19:50] <smoser> can i put an entry for / in there?
[19:50] <smoser> i want to mount / ro
[19:50] <hallyn> hm.  no
[19:50] <hallyn> if you're on quantal i'd recommend using a hook.  but you're probably not
[19:50] <smoser> i could be.
[19:50] <smoser> you have documentation on "hook" ?
[19:51] <hallyn> no manpage update for it yet, but documentation is in with the example in the package for now
[19:52] <hallyn> i.e. /usr/share/lxc/hooks/mountcgroups
[19:52] <hallyn> smoser: can you just specify /var/lib/lxc/q1/rootfs/ as the target?
[19:52] <hallyn> or do you not know the container name at the place where you'd need it?
[19:52] <hallyn> actually,
[19:53] <smoser> i could specify that as the target, sure. it'd be hacky, but i could do that.
[19:54] <hallyn> that, or you have to use /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc
[20:58] <toabctl> i tried to find the virtual package "apache2-dev" on quantal but it's not available. it's available on precise and on debian. why is it not available on quantal? is this a bug?
[20:58] <psionicsin> Hey guys. New to Ubuuntu Server. Trying to install it on our server at work due to us getting frustrated with FreeNAS constantly failing. However I'm stuck at the install process. For some reason network autoconfiguration has failed, even though it's connected directly to our router. I have the option of doing it manually or continuing without it. What should I do?
[20:59] <Tellmarch> the router has a DHCP enabled?
[20:59] <Tellmarch> it might be a hardware problem...
[21:00] <Tellmarch> i mean, it might be that the network card isn't handled by ubuntu correctly
[21:02] <psionicsin> Tellmarch: Well I've tried both the onboard ethernet port, and the PCIe ethernet port in the server and I get the same thing. However if I attempt doing it on one of our workstations that's connected to the same router, it does the DHCP dance just fine and continues on. And our workstations are connected via onboard ethernet ports.
[21:02] <psionicsin> And might I add that our servers and workstations have the same hardware save for the servers having a crap ton of 2TB HDDs in them
[21:03] <tgm4883> psionicsin, have you attempted giving it a static IP?
[21:04] <Tellmarch> you can try the manual configuration and see if you get network access this way
[21:04] <Tellmarch> but if not, you might have to add a driver or something to recognize your hardware properly
[21:04] <psionicsin> tgm4883: I'm currently in the very bieginning on installation stages. I still have an 8-16bit screen right now.
[21:05] <psionicsin> Tellmarch: how would I go about doing it manually. i'm not sure what to look for.
[21:05] <tgm4883> psionicsin, so? it gave you the option to set it manually
[21:05] <tgm4883> IMO, all servers should have a static IP anyway
[21:05] <Tellmarch> maybe you can switch to another console, and see the output of lspci (the line about the network adapter), and maybe dmesg | grep -i eth0 or something...
[21:06] <Tellmarch> see if everything looks all right there
[21:08] <psionicsin> tgm4883: Yes. Although I haven't selected it yet, the server always used the IP "192.168.1.68". It then asks for my router gateway. Since we use windows here I did ipconfig in my prompt to find the router gateway and subnet mask. However after all of that it asks for name server address. THIS is what I have no clue about,.
[21:08] <Tellmarch> DNS?
[21:09] <Tellmarch> ipconfig /all in windows will tell you the DNS used
[21:09] <tgm4883> psionicsin, it's asking about the DNS server, do 'ipconfig /all' in windows as Tellmarch has suggested
[21:09] <tgm4883> likely though, it's the same as your router
[21:10] <Tellmarch> that depends, it's not the same for my server
[21:11] <psionicsin> You guys are both right. I'm generally a Mac guy so I'm so lost lol. The DHCP server is also he router so I'm finding it hard to understand why it can't find something it's directly connected to
[21:12] <psionicsin> Ok now I've made it to where it's asking me to enter the hostname for the system. freenas has been automatically filled in. 0_o
[21:12] <tgm4883> Tellmarch, while that is true, I sometimes make assumptions based on the technical level of who I'm talking to
[21:13] <psionicsin> tgm4883, Tellmarch: Is it safe to enter anything into the hostname field? This is just what the server will be called over the network correct?
[21:14] <Tellmarch> yes, you can choose your name
[21:14] <tgm4883> psionicsin, my feeling is it is either A) bad cabling/port between the server and the router or B) the NIC in the server isn't recognized by Ubuntu
[21:14] <tgm4883> psionicsin, yes, but don't use underscore
[21:14] <psionicsin> Tellmarch: why do you think that the name freenas populated that field before i could enter anything?
[21:14] <tgm4883> that is the most common mistake I see people do
[21:15] <psionicsin> tgm4883: do you think cable length has to do with it having a hard time?
[21:15] <tgm4883> psionicsin, probably not
[21:15] <tgm4883> unless it is really long
[21:15] <psionicsin> 100ft
[21:15] <tgm4883> eg. I think the limit is ~300 ft
[21:15] <psionicsin> ok
[21:16] <psionicsin> tgm4883: ok now it's asking for a domain name.Never encountered anything like this with freenas. What exactly is this asking of me?
[21:17] <tgm4883> psionicsin, in windows, when you do an 'ipconfig /all' do you see anything listed for "Primary DNS suffix"?
[21:18] <psionicsin> tgm4883, no nothing is listed
[21:18] <tgm4883> then you can leave that blank
[21:19] <psionicsin> tmg4883, now I just have a blank purple screen with a white bar at the bottom. no indication of anything going on.
[21:20] <Tellmarch> well, the fact that the DHCP didn't work was a sign of trouble...
[21:20] <Tellmarch> can you switch to another console (ctrl alt F2) ?
[21:21] <Tellmarch> and maybe start by ping www.google.com ?
[21:22] <psionicsin> Tellmarch, did that. Says www.google.com is alive!
[21:22] <Tellmarch> so the network is working, at least...
[21:23] <Tellmarch> I'm not sure what could block the install process then...
[21:24] <tgm4883> I don't recall what it does after network
[21:24] <psionicsin> Tellmarch, right. I'm not too savvy on servers and unix/linux systems...but I'm sure a network problem wouldn't stop software from being installed. Seems weird.
[21:24] <tgm4883> which is odd, as I've installed 3 servers today
[21:24] <tgm4883> psionicsin, did you verify the checksum of the ISO you downloaded and burnt?
[21:24] <psionicsin> Is there anything I can type into this console to find out something>
[21:25] <psionicsin> tgm4883 no...care to inform me how I do that lol?
[21:25] <Tellmarch> psionicsin, well, the end of dmesg might tell something, sometimes...
[21:25] <tgm4883> psionicsin, are you running 12.04?
[21:25] <Tellmarch> like if you see a big ERROR message... but it's not very likely
[21:26] <tgm4883> yea I'd probably just check dmesg or /var/log/syslog
[21:26] <tgm4883> see if it's trying to do something
[21:26] <ehnde> i'm getting 403 forbidden on my web server...does this look correct?
[21:26] <ehnde> -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 49 Sep  5 16:27 index.html
[21:26] <Tellmarch> I also seem to remember there was something in /var/log/installer or something like that
[21:27] <Tellmarch> ehnde, yes, this should work... what are the permissions on the folder?
[21:27] <ehnde> Tellmarch: folder permissions are drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data
[21:27] <tgm4883> ehnde, is that still at /var/www/?
[21:28] <ehnde> tgm4883: /srv/www
[21:28] <tgm4883> what are the permissions on /srv
[21:28] <ehnde> err.../srv/<sitename>
[21:28] <ehnde> tgm4883: permissions on /srv are drwxr-xr-x
[21:28] <ehnde> that doesn't look good :|
[21:29] <Tellmarch> if all the permissions in the tree are like this, it should work...
[21:29] <tgm4883> yea that looks like it should work
[21:29] <psionicsin> tgm4883, Tellmarch: no big error messages at all from what I see. Near the end it's talking about eth0 and eth1 (0 is the PCIe card, 1 is onboard). A bunch of "link not ready"s and "link down"s. Ends with eth0 saying "link becomes ready" and then saying no IPV6 routers present.
[21:29] <ehnde> maybe i still see the 403 because of browser caching
[21:29] <tgm4883> we're assuming you pointed the apache site at /srv/www/sitename
[21:30] <Tellmarch> psionicsin, so nothing wrong in dmesg... have you tried the installer log? less /var/log/installer i think
[21:30] <tgm4883> psionicsin, that all looks fine
[21:30] <psionicsin> Tellmarch, says les not found
[21:30] <psionicsin> less*
[21:30] <Tellmarch> hmm nevermind i remembered wrong
[21:30] <ehnde> maybe the problem is group ownership
[21:30] <Tellmarch> during the install it's in the syslog
[21:31] <ehnde> nginx is running as 'nobody'
[21:32] <Tellmarch> but everybody can read these files, including "nobody"
[21:32] <psionicsin> tgm4883, I flipped back to the install screen right quick and still a blank purple screen.
[21:32] <tgm4883> try hitting enter?
[21:32] <Tellmarch> psionicsin, you're not running the graphical installer, right?
[21:32] <tgm4883> Tellmarch, graphical installer doesn't prompt for IP information
[21:33] <Tellmarch> <haven't installed ubuntu server in too long...>
[21:33] <psionicsin> Tellmarch I'm running the first option from the moment it booted the CD that said "Install Ubuntu Server". And yes version 12.04
[21:34] <Tellmarch> what was the last working step?
[21:35] <Tellmarch> it seems it should go hostname -> timezone -> disk....
[21:35] <psionicsin> hostname was the last step I beileve
[21:35] <psionicsin> tgm4883, is regular Ubuntu capable of running as a ROCKSOLID NAS?
[21:35] <tgm4883> psionicsin, IDK, I don't do that
[21:35] <tgm4883> I would assume so
[21:36] <psionicsin> because freenas on this server has always been buggy. You look at it wrong and it drops the mount.
[21:36] <Tellmarch> regular ubuntu is capable of doing everything that ubuntu server does
[21:37] <psionicsin> Tellmarch: Would you be able to guide me through installing regular ubuntu to a usb key and using the 4 2TB internals in a RAID5/Z@ config to share with everyone on the network?
[21:38] <psionicsin> Z2*
[21:38] <Tellmarch> no, I've never done that :-)
[21:39] <Tellmarch> but all the packages available in ubuntu server are also in the regular ubuntu distribution
[21:39] <Tellmarch> the difference is really that ubuntu server install less things by default, and the installer is different (not graphical for the server)
[21:39] <psionicsin> Tellmarch, ahh ok...this is all so confusing for no reason lol
[21:40] <tgm4883> software raid?
[21:40] <Tellmarch> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq#What.27s_the_difference_between_desktop_and_server.3F
[21:40] <Tellmarch> the difference is explained here
[21:40] <psionicsin> tgm4883, yesh
[21:40] <tgm4883> I'm assuming so, since hardware raid would be configured before the OS
[21:41] <xnox> tgm4883: short answer yes, long answer starts with 'it depends.....'
[21:42] <tgm4883> xnox, it depends?
[21:42] <tgm4883> regarding RAID or something else?
[21:43] <xnox> tgm4883: depending what you count as OS: UEFI/bios, grub, initramfs or real root. Whether the "hardware raid" is actually external hardware raid, or something activated by dmraid/mdadm (e.g. Intel Rapid Storage, DDF, etc).
[21:43] <xnox> tgm4883: and if your $rootfs is not on raid, you can for example spin it down and shutoff
[21:43] <tgm4883> xnox, does anyone actually consider dmraid/mdadm hardware raid?
[21:44] <xnox> if dmraid/mdadm is using external metadata formats (as in _not_ LINUX_RAID_MEMBERS, then why not?!) how is Intel Rapid storage or the industry DDF standard any different from other hardware raids?
[21:45]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[21:45] <xnox> you can setup Intel / DDF outside the OS (e.g. on the hardware controllers / bios) as well as from within mdadm/dmraid.
[21:45] <xnox> it's just an on-disk format and API.
[21:45] <tgm4883> it's been awhile since I looked at any of that, and it was a bit confusing with hardware raid/software raid/ fake raid
[21:46] <xnox> I think those names are a bit silly & misguided. With all the TRIM optimisations landing in the kernel and mdadm I am not sure which of the 'three' are better....
[21:57] <psionicsin> Tellmarch: will I have any trouble installing to USB key? I've never messed with any version of Linux before.
[21:58] <Tellmarch> you mean you want to run ubuntu from a USB key? in production? on a server?
[21:58] <Tellmarch> oh, it's just for the raid...
[21:59] <Tellmarch> only trouble should be that it won't be as fast as running from a hard drive, obviously
[21:59] <Tellmarch> and well, i'm not sure if the installer does that easily in truth
[22:00] <Tellmarch> i know it's possible, but never did it
[22:00] <tgm4883> don't forget to backup your configuration as well
[22:00] <psionicsin> Tellmarch, yes...just how other NAS's usually do
[22:00] <tgm4883> since if the usb drive dies, you don't have it replicated anywhere
[22:01] <psionicsin> tgm4883 ok
[22:01] <Tellmarch> be careful to install the bootload on the USB
[22:02] <Tellmarch> i'm not sure what else could be a problem...
[22:02] <Tellmarch> bootloader*
[22:02] <Tellmarch> well, don't follow the installer proposed choices, he will want to install on the hard drives he can find
[22:02] <Tellmarch> you'll have to tell him to use the USB drive
[22:04] <psionicsin> Tellmarch gotcha
[22:08] <psionicsin> Tellmarch ok so I selected "Install Ubuntu"...and it's like thinking or something. The Ubuntu 12.04 screen is up with 4 dots that turn white then orange. This system should be faster...
[22:08] <Tellmarch> have you been waiting for long?
[22:09] <psionicsin> 7min...?
[22:09] <Tellmarch> that's long...
[22:09] <psionicsin> Both these servers have AMD Athlon II X4 and 8GB of RAM on brand new gigabyte boards...this is crazy.
[22:10] <Tellmarch> what are you installing from?
[22:10] <psionicsin> CD. Freshly burned
[22:10] <Tellmarch> well, ubuntu installer *is* slow, but i don't think it should be that slow
[22:11] <psionicsin> Tellmarch...looks like the cd/dvd drive stopped spinning...
[22:12] <Tellmarch> ... is it possible that some hardware problem would cause both the FreeNas failures and ubuntu's difficulties to install?
[22:14] <psionicsin> Tellmarch, possible? Yes. What hardware exactly...have no clue. I'm sure a network issue wouldn't stop a software install. And then I thought maybe the drive was bad...but it's reading everything fine. CPU is fine or else I'd experience dropouts. And RAM was checked ok 3 times today.
[22:14] <psionicsin> I'm gonna cry.
[22:15] <psionicsin> My last hope is to use UniUSB to make a bootable USB Key
[22:17] <arrrghhh> psionicsin, i've just read the last few lines, but it sounds like hardware is in question.  have you run memtest?
[22:17] <psionicsin> arrrghhh yes 3 times and everything came back ok. Love that name btw...just made that sound
[22:18] <arrrghhh> 3 times...?
[22:18] <arrrghhh> how long did you let it run?
[22:18] <psionicsin> mhm. Been at this since 10am. It's almost 630pm now
[22:18] <arrrghhh> how long did you let memtest run.
[22:19] <psionicsin> arrrghhh wasn't keeping track, but around 1hr 15min each time
[22:19] <arrrghhh> ok that's plenty
[22:19] <arrrghhh> no colors/errors?
[22:19] <arrrghhh> it should light up like a christmas tree if there's issues with RAM
[22:19] <psionicsin> Nope. just white blocks
[22:21] <psionicsin> arrrghhh, I wonder if it's the mobo. although I can't actually test that.
[22:21] <arrrghhh> i went back to your original question
[22:21] <arrrghhh> seems you're having DHCP issues
[22:21] <arrrghhh> why can't you just skip that and manually configure it later?
[22:22] <psionicsin> Well I've skipped server and gone directly to regular Ubuntu and it won't even get to the install screen
[22:22] <arrrghhh> this is new hardware?  nothing but freenas installed on it before?
[22:24] <psionicsin> 4-5 months old. nothing but freenas before. but then we started getting red lights about failing HDDs. I pulled each and every one of them to check them against my workstation and everything came back clean. Figured FreeNAS was the issue so decided to switch NASs, OMV failed to install correctly, OpenFiler failed to install correctly. So going back to FreeNAS...that now failed to even get to the boot screen.
[22:25] <psionicsin> So Ubuntu was my last hope OS wise
[22:25] <psionicsin> arrrghhh
[22:27] <arrrghhh> psionicsin, i don't know much about freenas
[22:27] <arrrghhh> but why didn't you check the disks in that box?
[22:27] <arrrghhh> odd
[22:27] <psionicsin> arrrghhh I did. pulled them and checked them in my workstation. all clean.
[22:27] <arrrghhh> no
[22:27] <arrrghhh> i mean left them in that box
[22:27] <arrrghhh> and figured out why they were complaining in that box.
[22:28] <arrrghhh> but if you've ruled out the drives themselves... the only thing i could think of would be hardware
[22:28] <arrrghhh> s-ata/raid controller bad, etc
[22:28] <psionicsin> arrrghhh they were giving off smart failures on the storage side of fn
[22:29] <arrrghhh> did you check to see what type of errors?
[22:29] <arrrghhh> some errors are indicative of a bad cable for example
[22:31] <psionicsin> arrrghhh yes...it was saying that the SMART was failing. This is what the GUI was teling me. I'm not a console gy so error numbers and things were out of the question
[22:31] <psionicsin> On 2 of the 4 drives
[22:32] <psionicsin> arrrghhh BUT...those drives shouldn't have anything to do with me installing an OS to a USB Key. Those are only used as storage and as such should have nothing to do with the install portion
[22:32] <arrrghhh> psionicsin, well 'SMART was failing' is not anything i can use.
[22:33] <arrrghhh> pull the drives then
[22:33] <psionicsin> arrrghhh yeah I know :(
[22:33] <arrrghhh> installing ubuntu to a usb key?
[22:33] <arrrghhh> that doesn't sound like a very good idea
[22:33] <arrrghhh> installing ubuntu from a usb key is one thing
[22:33] <arrrghhh> installing it to a usb key - probably not a good idea.  perhaps do-able, but not recommended.
[22:34] <arrrghhh> i guess those persistent installs from ubuntu desktop work pretty well
[22:34] <arrrghhh> perhaps you could use a similar concept on the server platform - never tried myself.
[22:34] <psionicsin> arrrghhh persistent installs?
[22:34] <arrrghhh> you want to be able to plug in the usb key and boot anywhere, is that why you want to install the OS on a USB key?
[22:36] <psionicsin> arrrghhh no. We have 4-2TB hard drives that we want to use in an array. With FreeNAS and other NAS-only OSs, you install to a USB/CF card and run from there. I was hoping the same thing could be done with Ubuntu.
[22:36] <psionicsin>  each server consists of a USB key, and 4-2TB HDDs
[22:37] <arrrghhh> hrm.  you'd think that would kill the key eventually with all that random read/write
[22:37] <arrrghhh> but i guess it's not impossible.  have you tried pulling all the array'd drives and only leave the install usb key --> boot?
[22:37] <psionicsin> Some people have had it running for 4+ years I've heard. others died within 6-9 months
[22:37] <arrrghhh> also, ubuntu server doesn't have a gui
[22:37] <arrrghhh> it's cli-only...
[22:38] <arrrghhh> psionicsin, just be wary of it.
[22:38] <psionicsin> arrrghhh yeah tried all of that. I did see an improvement after unplugging the DVD drive. Weird.
[22:38] <arrrghhh> standard usb keys are not like ssd's.
[22:38] <arrrghhh> improvement after unplugging the dvd drive?  weren't you booting from that?
[22:38] <psionicsin> brb...gonna look for another HDD...IF we have one
[22:38] <arrrghhh> ok
[22:39] <arrrghhh> psionicsin, just know that ubuntu server has no GUI.
[22:39] <arrrghhh> i don't want you to be disappointed after going through all this work only to be met with a cli login... haha
[22:49] <psionicsin> arrrghhh I've given up on server, I'm installing desktop currently
[22:49] <psionicsin> arrrghhh don't have a spare HDD...which means I'll have to use one of the 2TB...seems like a waste
[22:50] <psionicsin> arrrghhh What kind of RAID would I be able to achieve with just 3 2TB drives?
[22:51] <arrrghhh> psionicsin, you could do raid5
[22:51] <arrrghhh> but it's not recommended putting the OS on a RAID array
[22:52] <psionicsin> arrrghhh no no no...the OS will be on a solitary 2TB drive. The rest of them will be in software raid for distribution accross the network
[22:53] <arrrghhh> hrm
[22:54] <arrrghhh> that could work
[22:54] <arrrghhh> certainly does seem a waste of that last 2tb drive, but hey
[22:54] <arrrghhh> you haven't tried another usb key?
[22:54] <arrrghhh> or installing from a usb key have you?
[22:54] <Tellmarch> don't you have a small SSD you could use for the OS?
[22:54] <arrrghhh> (if you suspect the optical drive)
[22:54] <arrrghhh> heh
[22:54] <Tellmarch> it would be faster than the USB, too :p
[22:54] <arrrghhh> Tellmarch, i would hope he would start with the ssd if he had one of those just 'lying around'
[22:54] <psionicsin> arrrghhh would RAID 3 be better than 5? This server is used as a working server that 5-6 machines access. We're a photo studio so we're constantly reading and writing.
[22:54] <arrrghhh> haha
[22:55] <arrrghhh> raid3 is useless
[22:55] <psionicsin> ok
[22:55] <psionicsin> Tellmarch: nope
[22:55] <arrrghhh> i've never even heard of anyone using it
[22:56] <arrrghhh> raid0, 1, 5 or sometimes 6.  6 is complex.
[22:56] <arrrghhh> there's other variants, like raid10 - but meh.
[22:57] <psionicsin> arrrghhh we used to use RAID10 in FN7...switched to RAIDZ2 in FN8.
[22:57] <SpamapS> is 6 really complex?
[22:57] <SpamapS> not to use
[22:58] <arrrghhh> no, but to setup
[22:58] <SpamapS> its just redundant parity
[22:58] <arrrghhh> raidz3?
[22:58] <arrrghhh> er
[22:58] <arrrghhh> z2
[22:58] <SpamapS> I've used 6.. and it was not any more complex than 5
[22:58] <arrrghhh> never heard of it.  i'm no RAID expert tho
[22:58] <psionicsin> wiki claimed z2 was basically a branch of 6
[22:59] <psionicsin> arrrghhh ok I'm stuck at the Installation Type screen. I've wiped all drives of everything and all are empty yet when I click install now it tells me that there's no partition. I have to do that manually?
[23:00] <arrrghhh> yes
[23:00] <arrrghhh> the installer should walk you thru that
[23:03] <arrrghhh> psionicsin, oh.  raid-z anything isn't really RAID but a redundancy built off zfs.  that's cool
[23:03] <arrrghhh> but not really possible in linux until all the zfs stuff makes it into the linux kernel and is stable
[23:03] <arrrghhh> not even sure where that's at
[23:04] <psionicsin> ok
[23:11] <psionicsin> arrrghhh what 2TB HDDs would you recommend for a production server? WD seems to fail a lot for us. Haven't tried Seagate yet. I have Samsung at home without any issues.
[23:14] <Tellmarch> arrrghhh, it's possible to install zfs in linux i think... it's not directly there because of license, that's all
[23:34] <lickalott> gents, not a total ubuntu-server question but i believe it is due to the NFS from the server...  I have "mapped network drives" on my winblows box from the server.  had a small issue with mounting today.  after i got the mount issue fixed i tried to access the mapped drives and it kills windows explorer.  I can't even right click on them to dc them.  Any ideas?
[23:35] <SpamapS> lickalott: do you mean NFS, or Samba?
[23:35] <lickalott> NFS
[23:35] <SpamapS> lickalott: I wasn't aware windows had an NFS client. :p
[23:35] <lickalott> well....1 samba and 2 NFS but the samba dc'd no problem
[23:35] <lickalott> yes sir
[23:35] <lickalott> it's an add-on in win 7 Ultimate (and one other iirc)
[23:46] <lickalott> SpamapS, just in case anyone else has this issue - command prompt > net use Z: /delete
[23:48] <SpamapS> lickalott: ty