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smartboyhwballoons: I don't know that you're guitara:)14:33
brendandballoons, hello!15:45
balloonsbrendand, howdy!15:45
brendandballoons, a question i've been meaning to ask for a long time. what is the status now of a tool for storing test cases? is iso-tracker becoming that thing or is there still a plan to use what mozilla were working on?15:47
balloonsfor this cycle iso-tracker is indeed that thing15:47
brendand'for this cycle'15:47
balloonsbrendand, you never know what the future holds15:48
balloonshaha15:48
balloonsbasically we've consolidated to the isotracker15:49
balloonswe don't have to move off of it, but changing tools is easier from that perspective now if something like that were desired15:50
balloonsI have no current plans to suggest a tool change, fyi..15:51
brendandok. not sure how you and stgraber would feel about accommodating other use-cases than iso testing15:56
balloonsbrendand, of course15:56
phillwballoons: FYI, hggdh from the bug squad is going to re-phrase the section on "my bug went private" He does like the remainder of the Bug section :)15:56
balloonswe have the package tracker for some of those things15:56
balloonsphillw, awesome15:56
brendandballoons, package tracker?15:56
balloonshttp://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/15:57
balloonswe've done several testing campaigns you can see on it15:57
bdmurraydavmor2: can you retest bug 10120097?16:17
ubot5Error: Launchpad bug 10120097 could not be found16:17
bdmurraydavmor2: can you retest bug 1020097?16:17
ubot5Launchpad bug 1020097 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity locks up on the webcam page" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102009716:17
davmor2bdmurray: I can but not till tomorrow first thing I'm using it currently and then it's the lug where I need it16:18
bdmurraydavmor2: no problem, just was wondering if it is still an issue since the bug is rather old16:19
davmor2bdmurray: ah hang on there was a newer bug done where the kernel team added a patch for it,  I tested that worked the day after the patch landed16:20
davmor2bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1042809 I needed a clean bug to try and grab a whole bunch of info the kernel team were asking for I can link the 2 but now beta 1 is here I'll certainly re-test and ensure it hasn't regressed again16:23
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1042809 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "HP Webcam-101 (uvcvideo) locking machine" [High,Fix released]16:23
bdmurraydavmor2: thanks for finding that16:24
balloonsanyone about with a precise machine?16:37
balloonsi'm curious if setting the appearance to high contrast mode in precise, makes the toolbaer at top transparent or not16:38
njinballoons, vm or real hardware ?16:42
balloonsreal16:42
balloonsand vm for that matter16:42
balloonsdidn't seem to matter on quantal16:42
njinballoons, do you need 12.04.1 or the latrest build ? just the time to burn the disk and i will test on real hardware16:46
balloonsnjin, not that big a deal to burn and boot up a disc :-)16:47
balloonslol.. you know what16:47
balloonsmy olther machine still has precise on it16:47
balloonsfrom 12.04.1 testing16:47
balloonsI'll check it16:47
balloonshow are you njin btw?16:47
njinwell, thanks, i've recived the invitation to UDS and nowI've got to talk at work to let me free for these days16:49
phillwnjin: congrats, I've not heard anything :(16:50
njincdrom is running on my test pc I select to install on high contrast modality16:52
njinphillw, thanks16:52
phillwballoons: can you dig out your link for where to report install bugs, I closed the tab by accident.16:53
balloonswhat do you mean?16:53
balloonsit should be on bug reporting instructions at the top of every page :-)16:53
balloonshopefully16:53
phillwthe one that had the table as to which is ubiquity / xorg etc.16:54
njinactually ubiquity-dm is showing a dark gray bar on a black background (instead of the usual default background.16:57
phillwballoons: it's okay. I found it http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions17:02
phillwballoons: would you prefer that in a table on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs ?17:03
balloonsphillw, I knew where you were going with that17:03
balloonsand yea.. not a bad idea at all17:03
balloonscan you also mention where it can be found when testing? aka hit the bug reporting link17:04
balloonsfor iso's, packages, whatever17:04
phillwballoons: I'll add the table, you put the link where you think is best. hggdh has done his edit and kindly added a link for additional information. Hopefully, the bug section is nearly done :D17:07
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phillwballoons: I declare https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs completed, please do idiot check it for me (when we get time !). And now, back to herding cats.17:30
balloonsphillw, +117:30
balloonsphillw, i like it17:31
balloonsvery well done17:31
njinballoons, installed from scratch 12.04.1 in high contrast and the bar is present, just to report that NM and thunderbird icons are gray on black so pratically invisible.17:31
balloonsnjin, you mean to say the bar is transparent, or is grey?17:32
balloonsit's transparent for me17:33
balloonsI'm assuming the same17:33
phillwooh a new tester for lubuntu has just dropped me an email..... There are times I do have pangs about being a Borg drone.... but those pangs do not last long before I assimilate them :D17:36
balloonsresistance is futile17:37
njinballoons, no the background is blue and the bar is dark gray, so perfectly visible, only the mentioned icons are gray on darkgray so not visible17:38
balloonshmm17:38
balloonsnow I feel like there might be something here17:39
balloonscan you screenshot it?17:39
njinsure, let me do it17:39
njinballoons, http://www.flickr.com/photos/86688242@N06/7938242126/in/photostream/lightbox/17:48
balloonsnjin, perfect ty17:49
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phillwballoons: as if we don't have enough to do? :P18:10
balloonsphillw, lol.. what do you mean?18:12
phillwtest cases ::D18:14
balloonsahh18:15
phillwballoons: invite knome into here18:16
knomeoh well ;)18:22
balloonslol18:22
knomeas if they had better things to do18:22
balloonsI know!18:22
knomeO:)18:22
balloonsok, so the testcases are the same18:23
balloonsif there was something specific to the arch you wanted to test, you could add it18:23
balloonsthe base tests are the same18:23
balloonsas it stands right now18:23
knomemm-hmm18:23
knomeand in the UI, the tests are listed for both architectures automatically, as i see18:23
knomeor?18:23
balloonsI assign testsuites individually18:24
balloonsi just used the same testsuite for both18:24
balloonsas you can see18:24
knomeso if in some weird case i wanted to add something for amd64 only, how would that work?18:24
balloonsnow, when you make your testcases, we can add them to the testsuite as well and they will show up18:24
balloonsyou could make a amd64 testsuite, add the testcases, and add it as a second testsuite18:25
knomeaha18:25
balloonsI try and re-use as much as possible18:25
knomeand then you'd link it to the xubuntu product?18:25
balloonshence the ubuntu stuff shares testsuites acorss several products18:25
balloonsso I broke it up in chunks18:25
balloonsyes..18:26
knomegood :)18:26
balloonsyou can't link to the product18:26
knomeaha18:26
balloonsbut if you modify what's linked, it should reflect I believe18:26
knomeok18:26
balloonsxubuntu desktop testsuite has your 4 tests in it18:26
knomeso the new testsuite would go under "Xubuntu Desktop amd64" then?18:26
balloonsif you make another and add it, it will show up under both18:26
balloonsif you have amd64 specific, yea18:26
knomeok18:26
knomegood18:27
knomenot planning to do that but who knows...18:27
balloons:-)18:27
knomeso about run-once18:27
knomewas that once-in-milestone?18:27
balloonsI tried to follow straightforward naming conventions18:27
balloonsyes18:27
knomewhat's your take on the post-installation tests18:27
knomeis run-once enough?18:27
knomewe've done with *every test* so far...18:28
balloonsyes, I think so18:28
knomewell.18:28
phillwknome: people can run them more than once :)18:28
knomewe should have done.. ;)18:28
balloonspeople can/will run more than once18:28
knomephillw, yeah, of course18:28
knomeballoons, i'm not sure of "will"18:28
knome:P18:28
balloonsit's simply defining your release requirements18:28
balloonsskaet can weight in here also.. she wants all mandatories for your image before it goes out18:29
knomeexcept when we decide to sign off even when we don't have 'em all!18:29
knomesuperpower!18:29
* knome hides18:29
* balloons notes skaet doesn't like that18:29
* balloons floats high into the air and spies knome18:30
phillwknome: as I said, lubuntu will want a 'run once' of pcmanfm, as if it does not work - we're up the creek without a paddle. However, that has nothing to do with 'does it install'. That, AFAIK is the difference.18:30
knomeawwh18:30
balloonsi see you!18:30
knomephillw, yeah.18:30
* skaet reminds balloons there's a definite judgement call between what's manditory for alphas, betas, and release ;)18:31
skaetor rather knome that is.  :)  sorry balloons.  :)18:32
phillwrelease team are there to have an iso that installs and boots, after that.... It's up to our teams :)18:32
knomeyeah, but if we decide ourself what's mandatory... ;)18:32
skaetyes,  but once decided,  deviations need to be understood and discussed ;)18:32
knomeskaet, when's the decision deadline? :P18:33
knomenah, just kidding18:33
skaet:)18:33
knomei think we might need to rethink making manual partition as mandatory, now that we have no alternate18:33
balloonsit's a simple change to the type18:36
knomeyep, i know18:36
* balloons doing lucid->quantal18:40
balloonsthis should be fun!18:40
knomeit IS NOT18:40
knome:)18:40
balloonswhat's the guess nothing will break18:41
balloonsit's a non-default installation...18:41
balloonsI'm guessing there won't be any surprises.. we shall see18:41
knomeeven if lucid->precise updates worked for xubuntu, one could still have considered that as a breakage, since the UI changes were *huge*18:41
plarsxnox: under what conditions should side-by-side install be an option?19:06
plarsxnox: I'm booting on a test system with a windows 7 partition, and a previous quantal install only, and don't see it as an option19:07
plarsDaviey: ping19:19
plarsDaviey: I hear you're the guy I need to talk to about maas testing?19:27
Davieyplars: You can try.19:36
Daviey:)19:37
plarsDaviey: I don't have the gear for it, but I've heard that you normally fill in the results there?19:37
plarsI was actually looking for someone who can test it :)19:37
plarsfor beta1 that is19:37
Davieyplars: it's being tested between a group of people.. these are mostly:19:37
Davieyroaksox, smoser, myself, sabdfl, allenap and matsubara19:38
Davieyi'm currently looking two setups.19:39
knomeNote the Keyboard layout and variant, and type some characters in the test area19:48
knomeCorrect keyboard layout and variant are selected from timezone information by default, and the proper characters display when typed19:48
knomeis this expected with Q?19:48
knomejust checking...19:48
jibelballoons, for Beta 2 will you add test cases for LVM and LUKS ?19:58
balloonsjibel, yes looks like we'll have a mass updating of testcases as well19:58
balloonsfingers crossed ;-)19:58
balloonswe'll get the flavors onto the new cases and update them as needed19:58
jibelballoons, great. upgrade with ubiquity is also missing19:59
balloonsi also was going to perhaps mess with networking tests19:59
balloonsI have to mess about with it a little and refer to the spec colin gave me19:59
balloonsohh you mean inside ubuquity.. ye19:59
balloons*yes19:59
jibelballoons, what kind of networking tests ?19:59
balloonsso is the webcam option20:00
jibelballoons, right, inside ubiquity.20:00
balloonsI'm liable to forget all the options.. but as we discussed before..20:00
balloonsI'm not sure colin ever got that spreadsheet updated..20:00
wxlfolks, any idea why quantal daily is in "released" and not "testing" in the iso tracker?21:33
xnoxplars: not sure why it's not offered. Check the ubiquity specification: http://goo.gl/6lSBE and if the options as per spec are not offered, it's a bug. Please file one.21:38
noskcajbecause its not being updated while we're testing the beta21:44
wxlnoskcaj: that makes a certain amount of sense.21:45
silverarrowcan someone give me a testing tutorial?21:46
silverarrowI am testing for lubuntu powerpc iso quantal21:46
silverarrowhoping ppc testing is needed21:47
silverarrowI have burned the powerpc iso, checked for md5 sum, CD boots into a coarse pixeled sort of desktop image21:47
silverarrowI cannot activate wifi, and ubuqity does not launch properly21:48
silverarrowwhich means install is not possible21:48
silverarrowiBook G421:48
silverarrowany thoughs ?21:49
silverarrowi tried to report the bug on ubiquity but I could not meneuver the beta 1 testing site21:49
xnoxsilverarrow: that may have been already reported. I have heard graphics issues with lubuntu on powerpc over at the #ubuntu-release channel.21:50
xnoxsilverarrow: in general you should be able to do $ ubuntu-bug ubiquity21:50
xnoxsilverarrow: bug $ ubuntu-bug xorg21:50
xnoxwould be better21:50
silverarrowoh good, then no worries21:50
silverarrowfrom 12.04?21:51
silverarrowwhich I have running fairly well21:51
silverarrowhalf decent at least21:51
xnoxwell 12.10 beta1 testing.21:52
xnoxnot sure about 12.0421:52
silverarrowI am of course testing teh beta21:52
silverarrowbut cannot report from it, before I get wireless fixed21:52
silverarrowthe full beta 1 iso image, is it updated or fixed until beta 2?21:53
xnoxsilverarrow: well it's testing is in progress.21:53
xnoxsilverarrow: it's on cdimage.ubuntu.com daily cd, but it's actually potential candidates to be released as beta 121:54
xnoxsilverarrow: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22623/testcases21:54
xnoxhas a link to download instructions21:54
xnoxsilverarrow: you can run ubuntu-bug and save the crash/data file, then copy it to usb stick or something and report from the machine that has internetz21:55
silverarrowI was going to install quantal ppc for testing, but sort of haulted at the installer bug21:55
silverarrowor ubiquity bug21:55
xnox=(21:55
xnoxtest alternative installer?21:55
xnoxis there is one for powerpc21:56
silverarrowi could though21:56
silverarrowI heard they were short on ppc testers21:57
silverarrowalternative installer is not affected by ubiquity ?21:59
silverarrowi mean, ubiquity is the gui part?21:59
silverarrowxnox, how do I get the bug number right ?22:01
silverarrowhi kanliot22:02
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silverarrowcould someone guide me through reporting a bug in quantal?22:21
phillwsilverarrow: what help can I give you?22:22
phillwsilverarrow: have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs22:23
wxlphillw: i noticed the em about x and openchrome. me thinks this doesn't apply to ppc. just saying.22:23
phillwsilverarrow: please do let me know if it does not answer your questions. It is a really important part of our wiki area for people,22:24
leadsledwhile in the process of a live i386 lubuntu 12.10 beta on during the shutdown splash the dots were missing below Lubuntu. I then rebooted and shutdown again  just to make sure I had what thought I had seen. I then rebooted again into the live with persistence this time I tried logging out then shutdown the dots under lubuntu then reappeared. I assume this a xorg issue. Should I then try to recreate the scenario again this time 22:30
silverarrowthanks I am reading22:33
silverarrowI am trying to follow the testing site for bug reports22:33
phillwhi silverarrow what error are you getting when trying to report a bug to the tracker?22:49
phillwballoons: ping22:49
silverarrow I don't get the bug numbers right22:49
phillwsilverarrow: as in "be aware" section?22:49
silverarrowyou know, when you do it from luncher in ubuntu it generates a bugnumber auto22:50
silverarrowyes I still have the page up22:50
phillwsilverarrow: yeah, you then use that bug number to report it to on the iso-tracker.22:50
phillwand add in any further comments22:50
silverarrowbut when I could not get wifi to work I sort of lost track of the bug processing22:52
phillwsilverarrow: I'm really sorry about this, we are currently really stretched thinly.22:52
silverarrowi had to make reports from windows hp22:52
phillwsilverarrow: you can make manual reports22:52
silverarrowI was hoping it possible22:53
silverarrowmight improve with the new iso though22:53
silverarrow72% downlaoded22:53
silverarrowup stream22:54
phillwsilverarrow: we have just finished off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs You are in the best situation to tell us if we have missed anything out.22:54
wxlso, phillw, if i understand correctly openchrome is related to the problems with X because of a failure to properly control the graphics. as i understand openchrome is for via chipsets? i'm pretty sure there's never been an apple with one of these.22:55
phillwIt is a nightmare, as that is a general page so we have to cover topics but not to the initall level that makes it too long to read.22:55
phillwwxl: there is a proposed fix for the X problem. We need it testing.22:56
silverarrowchrome and pepper api should it stream on powerpc?22:56
silverarrowwell, never mind...22:57
wxlphillw: that's my point though: there seems to be an X problem in ppc and the proposed solutin (fix openchrome), i don't believe is applicable22:57
phillwwxl: from the limited data the devs have, that is their proposed solution. This is why it so important that more than one poor soul bear the brunt of testing. If Lars stops testing, ppc is dead in the water.22:59
phillwWe are only as good as the testers. ppc releases do not magically happen. They need testing.23:00
wxlgrr23:00
phillwit is, maybe, time that the ppc people pulled their collective finger out of their collective anal passages and actually got involved? The other option is the dropping of ppc.23:01
silverarrow_I shall have to get testing then23:04
silverarrow_and reporting the right way23:04
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phillwwxl: the ppc people need to make their voices heard, the devs do not have time to spend on an arch with no users.23:07
phillwsorry to be blunt.23:08
silverarrowI think that is a problem, few report back, and keep floating between distros23:08
silverarrowI have stuck with lubuntu23:08
silverarrowfor some reason23:08
silverarrowi initally liked the the default setup23:08
phillwsilverarrow: is there a ppc area?23:08
phillwforum / facebook etc?23:09
silverarrowno, there is a apple section in the ubuntu forum23:09
silverarrowthere is a ppcmint forum23:09
silverarrowbut I have not posted there,  but it looks much the same as lubuntu, mplayer gecko do not work there either23:09
silverarrowsome G3 users have had less troube with graphic with mintppc23:10
silverarrowthere are some on debian that swear they are best on ppc23:10
silverarrowfedora has none apple ppc, just the big server ibm type23:10
silverarrowmy G4 has done rather well with lubuntu23:11
silverarrowi haven't tried ubuntu or xubuntu on it23:11
phillwsilverarrow: IMHO, and it is just that. The ppc people need to help out, without them ubuntu will drop ppc. As mint is an off-spin of ubuntu, maybe they have some thoughts as to if they wish to be the only developer of ppc. Lubuntu has volunteered to be the one for ubuntu.23:11
silverarrowthe G5s should handle utubntus till23:12
phillwxubuntu do not have a ppc23:12
silverarrowoh I see23:12
silverarroware you sur?23:12
silverarrowthere is a guy talking a lot about ppc and xubuntu on the ubuntu forum23:13
silverarrowhmm23:13
phillwsilverarrow: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds go check :)23:13
silverarrowI belive you23:13
silverarrowbut odd23:13
wxlleft a commoent on that bug report23:13
wxlhopefully someone replies to it23:13
phillwmaybe you should correct the person on the forum?23:13
phillwkubuntu will carry it if there are testers, ubuntu carry it because we need them for core build. Lubuntu is the flag carrier for ppc. If lubuntu ppc does not go through the others will wither and die.23:16
phillwthat is the 'informal' agreement to keep ppc alive. Lubuntu specialises in 'older' computers, so we have taken ppc.23:17
silverarrowdowload failed, I had to restart23:17
phillwsilverarrow: which iso?23:18
silverarrowtest lubuntu ppc23:18
phillwdesktop or alternate23:18
silverarrowbut seems to work fine now23:18
silverarrowdesktop23:18
silverarrowI'm not that used to alternate23:18
silverarrowshould I do the alternate?23:18
phillwokies. as long as it is going okay.23:18
silverarrowi started the download on that one too23:19
phillwalternate is for lower spec computers23:19
silverarrowwell, mine are lower specs23:19
silverarrowbut handles regular install luckliy23:19
phillwI can pull quickly through the back bone an iso to a different server area.23:19
silverarrowdownload is fine for now at least23:20
phillwIt is going to be used for 13.04, but it can pull in 12.10 stuff.23:20
silverarrowis there a 13.04 in the making already =23:21
silverarrow?23:21
silverarrowjumping from 400 - 500 mb /second23:22
phillwno, I am working on mirroring more stuff on a secondary server for lubuntu that will be available to all flavours.23:22
silverarrowno, kilobite23:22
phillwsilverarrow: http://thesii.org/iso/lubuntu/23:23
phillwwe do not have Q ones.23:23
phillwstill working on the best way to do it23:24
silverarrowI bought dutch cheese today, gouda, a bit scary23:24
phillwsilverarrow: ooh, it appears we do!23:26
phillwstill working on scripts to sync up.23:26
phillwI'll have to finish off chatting with the script writer to see where he has gotten to. I've asked that he use zsync to reduce the load on the ubuntu server.23:28
silverarrowyes, it seems a very clever way about it23:29
phillwsilverarrow: balloons asked if I could archive all the milestones so there is a deffinative check for a regression. That server has enough space to hold a cycle of iso's for all flavours.23:30
phillwgood morning smartboyhw23:31
smartboyhwGood morning phillw23:31
silverarrowhi smartboyhw23:31
smartboyhwHi silverarrow23:32
phillwsmartboyhw: the final respins should now have all arrived23:32
smartboyhwshould be:)23:32
silverarrowi haven''t been to bed yet, feels a bit odd greeting morning23:32
phillwsmartboyhw: we bit the bullet and did take the ubiquity respin.23:33
smartboyhwHAHAHA23:33
phillwsilverarrow: it is 00:34 here, but I know smartboyhw is on a different TZ23:33
smartboyhw07:33 AM23:34
phillwsmartboyhw: I think Studio did not take the respin, you can go check.23:35
smartboyhwOnce at least23:36
silverarrowI am central europe time zoine23:36
silverarrow+123:36
silverarrow01:36 here23:37
silverarrowin asia or autralia?23:37
silverarrowway ahead ;-)23:37
silverarrowsorry about the typos23:37
smartboyhwHong Kong, China, Asia23:37
silverarrowI'm in norway23:37
silverarrowlots of people and very buisy23:38
silverarrowHong Kong I mean23:38
smartboyhwYes23:38
silverarrowexiting23:38
silverarrowI got a battery for my old ibook from Hong Kong23:39
silverarrowa bit odd, but a few sellres would not ship from uk23:39
silverarrowwhich whould have taken less time, but who cares, fast enough from hong kong23:40
smartboyhwhAHAHA23:41
phillwAhh, there goes the critical bug for Edubuntu, excellent news :)23:44
silverarrow10 seconds left23:44
* silverarrow lunches easi iso23:45
silverarrowlol23:45
silverarrowlaunches23:45
phillwsmartboyhw: good news for you, i hope... (00:38:03) skaet: hmm... chinese images haven't been respun since the ubiquity fixes,  I'm kicking off a respin of them now.23:45
skaetsmartboy2,  do you want me posting them on the localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com tracker, so you can record results against them.23:55
skaet?23:55
skaethmm.. appear to have the link wrong,  hunting23:58

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