=== trijntje_ is now known as trijntje === jcollado1 is now known as jcollado === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|early_lu === mmrazik|early_lu is now known as mmrazik === _salem is now known as salem_ [14:33] balloons: I don't know that you're guitara:) [15:45] balloons, hello! [15:45] brendand, howdy! [15:47] balloons, a question i've been meaning to ask for a long time. what is the status now of a tool for storing test cases? is iso-tracker becoming that thing or is there still a plan to use what mozilla were working on? [15:47] for this cycle iso-tracker is indeed that thing [15:47] 'for this cycle' [15:48] brendand, you never know what the future holds [15:48] haha [15:49] basically we've consolidated to the isotracker [15:50] we don't have to move off of it, but changing tools is easier from that perspective now if something like that were desired [15:51] I have no current plans to suggest a tool change, fyi.. [15:56] ok. not sure how you and stgraber would feel about accommodating other use-cases than iso testing [15:56] brendand, of course [15:56] balloons: FYI, hggdh from the bug squad is going to re-phrase the section on "my bug went private" He does like the remainder of the Bug section :) [15:56] we have the package tracker for some of those things [15:56] phillw, awesome [15:56] balloons, package tracker? [15:57] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/ [15:57] we've done several testing campaigns you can see on it [16:17] davmor2: can you retest bug 10120097? [16:17] Error: Launchpad bug 10120097 could not be found [16:17] davmor2: can you retest bug 1020097? [16:17] Launchpad bug 1020097 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity locks up on the webcam page" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020097 [16:18] bdmurray: I can but not till tomorrow first thing I'm using it currently and then it's the lug where I need it [16:19] davmor2: no problem, just was wondering if it is still an issue since the bug is rather old [16:20] bdmurray: ah hang on there was a newer bug done where the kernel team added a patch for it, I tested that worked the day after the patch landed [16:23] bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1042809 I needed a clean bug to try and grab a whole bunch of info the kernel team were asking for I can link the 2 but now beta 1 is here I'll certainly re-test and ensure it hasn't regressed again [16:23] Ubuntu bug 1042809 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "HP Webcam-101 (uvcvideo) locking machine" [High,Fix released] [16:24] davmor2: thanks for finding that [16:37] anyone about with a precise machine? [16:38] i'm curious if setting the appearance to high contrast mode in precise, makes the toolbaer at top transparent or not [16:42] balloons, vm or real hardware ? [16:42] real [16:42] and vm for that matter [16:42] didn't seem to matter on quantal [16:46] balloons, do you need 12.04.1 or the latrest build ? just the time to burn the disk and i will test on real hardware [16:47] njin, not that big a deal to burn and boot up a disc :-) [16:47] lol.. you know what [16:47] my olther machine still has precise on it [16:47] from 12.04.1 testing [16:47] I'll check it [16:47] how are you njin btw? [16:49] well, thanks, i've recived the invitation to UDS and nowI've got to talk at work to let me free for these days [16:50] njin: congrats, I've not heard anything :( [16:52] cdrom is running on my test pc I select to install on high contrast modality [16:52] phillw, thanks [16:53] balloons: can you dig out your link for where to report install bugs, I closed the tab by accident. [16:53] what do you mean? [16:53] it should be on bug reporting instructions at the top of every page :-) [16:53] hopefully [16:54] the one that had the table as to which is ubiquity / xorg etc. [16:57] actually ubiquity-dm is showing a dark gray bar on a black background (instead of the usual default background. [17:02] balloons: it's okay. I found it http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22117/buginstructions [17:03] balloons: would you prefer that in a table on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs ? [17:03] phillw, I knew where you were going with that [17:03] and yea.. not a bad idea at all [17:04] can you also mention where it can be found when testing? aka hit the bug reporting link [17:04] for iso's, packages, whatever [17:07] balloons: I'll add the table, you put the link where you think is best. hggdh has done his edit and kindly added a link for additional information. Hopefully, the bug section is nearly done :D === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursula [17:30] balloons: I declare https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs completed, please do idiot check it for me (when we get time !). And now, back to herding cats. [17:30] phillw, +1 [17:31] phillw, i like it [17:31] very well done [17:31] balloons, installed from scratch 12.04.1 in high contrast and the bar is present, just to report that NM and thunderbird icons are gray on black so pratically invisible. [17:32] njin, you mean to say the bar is transparent, or is grey? [17:33] it's transparent for me [17:33] I'm assuming the same [17:36] ooh a new tester for lubuntu has just dropped me an email..... There are times I do have pangs about being a Borg drone.... but those pangs do not last long before I assimilate them :D [17:37] resistance is futile [17:38] balloons, no the background is blue and the bar is dark gray, so perfectly visible, only the mentioned icons are gray on darkgray so not visible [17:38] hmm [17:39] now I feel like there might be something here [17:39] can you screenshot it? [17:39] sure, let me do it [17:48] balloons, http://www.flickr.com/photos/86688242@N06/7938242126/in/photostream/lightbox/ [17:49] njin, perfect ty === salem_ is now known as _salem [18:10] balloons: as if we don't have enough to do? :P [18:12] phillw, lol.. what do you mean? [18:14] test cases ::D [18:15] ahh [18:16] balloons: invite knome into here [18:22] oh well ;) [18:22] lol [18:22] as if they had better things to do [18:22] I know! [18:22] O:) [18:23] ok, so the testcases are the same [18:23] if there was something specific to the arch you wanted to test, you could add it [18:23] the base tests are the same [18:23] as it stands right now [18:23] mm-hmm [18:23] and in the UI, the tests are listed for both architectures automatically, as i see [18:23] or? [18:24] I assign testsuites individually [18:24] i just used the same testsuite for both [18:24] as you can see [18:24] so if in some weird case i wanted to add something for amd64 only, how would that work? [18:24] now, when you make your testcases, we can add them to the testsuite as well and they will show up [18:25] you could make a amd64 testsuite, add the testcases, and add it as a second testsuite [18:25] aha [18:25] I try and re-use as much as possible [18:25] and then you'd link it to the xubuntu product? [18:25] hence the ubuntu stuff shares testsuites acorss several products [18:25] so I broke it up in chunks [18:26] yes.. [18:26] good :) [18:26] you can't link to the product [18:26] aha [18:26] but if you modify what's linked, it should reflect I believe [18:26] ok [18:26] xubuntu desktop testsuite has your 4 tests in it [18:26] so the new testsuite would go under "Xubuntu Desktop amd64" then? [18:26] if you make another and add it, it will show up under both [18:26] if you have amd64 specific, yea [18:26] ok [18:27] good [18:27] not planning to do that but who knows... [18:27] :-) [18:27] so about run-once [18:27] was that once-in-milestone? [18:27] I tried to follow straightforward naming conventions [18:27] yes [18:27] what's your take on the post-installation tests [18:27] is run-once enough? [18:28] we've done with *every test* so far... [18:28] yes, I think so [18:28] well. [18:28] knome: people can run them more than once :) [18:28] we should have done.. ;) [18:28] people can/will run more than once [18:28] phillw, yeah, of course [18:28] balloons, i'm not sure of "will" [18:28] :P [18:28] it's simply defining your release requirements [18:29] skaet can weight in here also.. she wants all mandatories for your image before it goes out [18:29] except when we decide to sign off even when we don't have 'em all! [18:29] superpower! [18:29] * knome hides [18:29] * balloons notes skaet doesn't like that [18:30] * balloons floats high into the air and spies knome [18:30] knome: as I said, lubuntu will want a 'run once' of pcmanfm, as if it does not work - we're up the creek without a paddle. However, that has nothing to do with 'does it install'. That, AFAIK is the difference. [18:30] awwh [18:30] i see you! [18:30] phillw, yeah. [18:31] * skaet reminds balloons there's a definite judgement call between what's manditory for alphas, betas, and release ;) [18:32] or rather knome that is. :) sorry balloons. :) [18:32] release team are there to have an iso that installs and boots, after that.... It's up to our teams :) [18:32] yeah, but if we decide ourself what's mandatory... ;) [18:32] yes, but once decided, deviations need to be understood and discussed ;) [18:33] skaet, when's the decision deadline? :P [18:33] nah, just kidding [18:33] :) [18:33] i think we might need to rethink making manual partition as mandatory, now that we have no alternate [18:36] it's a simple change to the type [18:36] yep, i know [18:40] * balloons doing lucid->quantal [18:40] this should be fun! [18:40] it IS NOT [18:40] :) [18:41] what's the guess nothing will break [18:41] it's a non-default installation... [18:41] I'm guessing there won't be any surprises.. we shall see [18:41] even if lucid->precise updates worked for xubuntu, one could still have considered that as a breakage, since the UI changes were *huge* [19:06] xnox: under what conditions should side-by-side install be an option? [19:07] xnox: I'm booting on a test system with a windows 7 partition, and a previous quantal install only, and don't see it as an option [19:19] Daviey: ping [19:27] Daviey: I hear you're the guy I need to talk to about maas testing? [19:36] plars: You can try. [19:37] :) [19:37] Daviey: I don't have the gear for it, but I've heard that you normally fill in the results there? [19:37] I was actually looking for someone who can test it :) [19:37] for beta1 that is [19:37] plars: it's being tested between a group of people.. these are mostly: [19:38] roaksox, smoser, myself, sabdfl, allenap and matsubara [19:39] i'm currently looking two setups. [19:48] Note the Keyboard layout and variant, and type some characters in the test area [19:48] Correct keyboard layout and variant are selected from timezone information by default, and the proper characters display when typed [19:48] is this expected with Q? [19:48] just checking... [19:58] balloons, for Beta 2 will you add test cases for LVM and LUKS ? [19:58] jibel, yes looks like we'll have a mass updating of testcases as well [19:58] fingers crossed ;-) [19:58] we'll get the flavors onto the new cases and update them as needed [19:59] balloons, great. upgrade with ubiquity is also missing [19:59] i also was going to perhaps mess with networking tests [19:59] I have to mess about with it a little and refer to the spec colin gave me [19:59] ohh you mean inside ubuquity.. ye [19:59] *yes [19:59] balloons, what kind of networking tests ? [20:00] so is the webcam option [20:00] balloons, right, inside ubiquity. [20:00] I'm liable to forget all the options.. but as we discussed before.. [20:00] I'm not sure colin ever got that spreadsheet updated.. [21:33] folks, any idea why quantal daily is in "released" and not "testing" in the iso tracker? [21:38] plars: not sure why it's not offered. Check the ubiquity specification: http://goo.gl/6lSBE and if the options as per spec are not offered, it's a bug. Please file one. [21:44] because its not being updated while we're testing the beta [21:45] noskcaj: that makes a certain amount of sense. [21:46] can someone give me a testing tutorial? [21:46] I am testing for lubuntu powerpc iso quantal [21:47] hoping ppc testing is needed [21:47] I have burned the powerpc iso, checked for md5 sum, CD boots into a coarse pixeled sort of desktop image [21:48] I cannot activate wifi, and ubuqity does not launch properly [21:48] which means install is not possible [21:48] iBook G4 [21:49] any thoughs ? [21:49] i tried to report the bug on ubiquity but I could not meneuver the beta 1 testing site [21:50] silverarrow: that may have been already reported. I have heard graphics issues with lubuntu on powerpc over at the #ubuntu-release channel. [21:50] silverarrow: in general you should be able to do $ ubuntu-bug ubiquity [21:50] silverarrow: bug $ ubuntu-bug xorg [21:50] would be better [21:50] oh good, then no worries [21:51] from 12.04? [21:51] which I have running fairly well [21:51] half decent at least [21:52] well 12.10 beta1 testing. [21:52] not sure about 12.04 [21:52] I am of course testing teh beta [21:52] but cannot report from it, before I get wireless fixed [21:53] the full beta 1 iso image, is it updated or fixed until beta 2? [21:53] silverarrow: well it's testing is in progress. [21:54] silverarrow: it's on cdimage.ubuntu.com daily cd, but it's actually potential candidates to be released as beta 1 [21:54] silverarrow: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22623/testcases [21:54] has a link to download instructions [21:55] silverarrow: you can run ubuntu-bug and save the crash/data file, then copy it to usb stick or something and report from the machine that has internetz [21:55] I was going to install quantal ppc for testing, but sort of haulted at the installer bug [21:55] or ubiquity bug [21:55] =( [21:55] test alternative installer? [21:56] is there is one for powerpc [21:56] i could though [21:57] I heard they were short on ppc testers [21:59] alternative installer is not affected by ubiquity ? [21:59] i mean, ubiquity is the gui part? [22:01] xnox, how do I get the bug number right ? [22:02] hi kanliot === silverarrow___ is now known as silverarrow [22:21] could someone guide me through reporting a bug in quantal? [22:22] silverarrow: what help can I give you? [22:23] silverarrow: have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs [22:23] phillw: i noticed the em about x and openchrome. me thinks this doesn't apply to ppc. just saying. [22:24] silverarrow: please do let me know if it does not answer your questions. It is a really important part of our wiki area for people, [22:30] while in the process of a live i386 lubuntu 12.10 beta on during the shutdown splash the dots were missing below Lubuntu. I then rebooted and shutdown again just to make sure I had what thought I had seen. I then rebooted again into the live with persistence this time I tried logging out then shutdown the dots under lubuntu then reappeared. I assume this a xorg issue. Should I then try to recreate the scenario again this time [22:33] thanks I am reading [22:33] I am trying to follow the testing site for bug reports [22:49] hi silverarrow what error are you getting when trying to report a bug to the tracker? [22:49] balloons: ping [22:49] I don't get the bug numbers right [22:49] silverarrow: as in "be aware" section? [22:50] you know, when you do it from luncher in ubuntu it generates a bugnumber auto [22:50] yes I still have the page up [22:50] silverarrow: yeah, you then use that bug number to report it to on the iso-tracker. [22:50] and add in any further comments [22:52] but when I could not get wifi to work I sort of lost track of the bug processing [22:52] silverarrow: I'm really sorry about this, we are currently really stretched thinly. [22:52] i had to make reports from windows hp [22:52] silverarrow: you can make manual reports [22:53] I was hoping it possible [22:53] might improve with the new iso though [22:53] 72% downlaoded [22:54] up stream [22:54] silverarrow: we have just finished off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs You are in the best situation to tell us if we have missed anything out. [22:55] so, phillw, if i understand correctly openchrome is related to the problems with X because of a failure to properly control the graphics. as i understand openchrome is for via chipsets? i'm pretty sure there's never been an apple with one of these. [22:55] It is a nightmare, as that is a general page so we have to cover topics but not to the initall level that makes it too long to read. [22:56] wxl: there is a proposed fix for the X problem. We need it testing. [22:56] chrome and pepper api should it stream on powerpc? [22:57] well, never mind... [22:57] phillw: that's my point though: there seems to be an X problem in ppc and the proposed solutin (fix openchrome), i don't believe is applicable [22:59] wxl: from the limited data the devs have, that is their proposed solution. This is why it so important that more than one poor soul bear the brunt of testing. If Lars stops testing, ppc is dead in the water. [23:00] We are only as good as the testers. ppc releases do not magically happen. They need testing. [23:00] grr [23:01] it is, maybe, time that the ppc people pulled their collective finger out of their collective anal passages and actually got involved? The other option is the dropping of ppc. [23:04] I shall have to get testing then [23:04] and reporting the right way === silverarrow_ is now known as silverarrow [23:07] wxl: the ppc people need to make their voices heard, the devs do not have time to spend on an arch with no users. [23:08] sorry to be blunt. [23:08] I think that is a problem, few report back, and keep floating between distros [23:08] I have stuck with lubuntu [23:08] for some reason [23:08] i initally liked the the default setup [23:08] silverarrow: is there a ppc area? [23:09] forum / facebook etc? [23:09] no, there is a apple section in the ubuntu forum [23:09] there is a ppcmint forum [23:09] but I have not posted there, but it looks much the same as lubuntu, mplayer gecko do not work there either [23:10] some G3 users have had less troube with graphic with mintppc [23:10] there are some on debian that swear they are best on ppc [23:10] fedora has none apple ppc, just the big server ibm type [23:11] my G4 has done rather well with lubuntu [23:11] i haven't tried ubuntu or xubuntu on it [23:11] silverarrow: IMHO, and it is just that. The ppc people need to help out, without them ubuntu will drop ppc. As mint is an off-spin of ubuntu, maybe they have some thoughts as to if they wish to be the only developer of ppc. Lubuntu has volunteered to be the one for ubuntu. [23:12] the G5s should handle utubntus till [23:12] xubuntu do not have a ppc [23:12] oh I see [23:12] are you sur? [23:13] there is a guy talking a lot about ppc and xubuntu on the ubuntu forum [23:13] hmm [23:13] silverarrow: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds go check :) [23:13] I belive you [23:13] but odd [23:13] left a commoent on that bug report [23:13] hopefully someone replies to it [23:13] maybe you should correct the person on the forum? [23:16] kubuntu will carry it if there are testers, ubuntu carry it because we need them for core build. Lubuntu is the flag carrier for ppc. If lubuntu ppc does not go through the others will wither and die. [23:17] that is the 'informal' agreement to keep ppc alive. Lubuntu specialises in 'older' computers, so we have taken ppc. [23:17] dowload failed, I had to restart [23:18] silverarrow: which iso? [23:18] test lubuntu ppc [23:18] desktop or alternate [23:18] but seems to work fine now [23:18] desktop [23:18] I'm not that used to alternate [23:18] should I do the alternate? [23:18] okies. as long as it is going okay. [23:19] i started the download on that one too [23:19] alternate is for lower spec computers [23:19] well, mine are lower specs [23:19] but handles regular install luckliy [23:19] I can pull quickly through the back bone an iso to a different server area. [23:20] download is fine for now at least [23:20] It is going to be used for 13.04, but it can pull in 12.10 stuff. [23:21] is there a 13.04 in the making already = [23:21] ? [23:22] jumping from 400 - 500 mb /second [23:22] no, I am working on mirroring more stuff on a secondary server for lubuntu that will be available to all flavours. [23:22] no, kilobite [23:23] silverarrow: http://thesii.org/iso/lubuntu/ [23:23] we do not have Q ones. [23:24] still working on the best way to do it [23:24] I bought dutch cheese today, gouda, a bit scary [23:26] silverarrow: ooh, it appears we do! [23:26] still working on scripts to sync up. [23:28] I'll have to finish off chatting with the script writer to see where he has gotten to. I've asked that he use zsync to reduce the load on the ubuntu server. [23:29] yes, it seems a very clever way about it [23:30] silverarrow: balloons asked if I could archive all the milestones so there is a deffinative check for a regression. That server has enough space to hold a cycle of iso's for all flavours. [23:31] good morning smartboyhw [23:31] Good morning phillw [23:31] hi smartboyhw [23:32] Hi silverarrow [23:32] smartboyhw: the final respins should now have all arrived [23:32] should be:) [23:32] i haven''t been to bed yet, feels a bit odd greeting morning [23:33] smartboyhw: we bit the bullet and did take the ubiquity respin. [23:33] HAHAHA [23:33] silverarrow: it is 00:34 here, but I know smartboyhw is on a different TZ [23:34] 07:33 AM [23:35] smartboyhw: I think Studio did not take the respin, you can go check. [23:36] Once at least [23:36] I am central europe time zoine [23:36] +1 [23:37] 01:36 here [23:37] in asia or autralia? [23:37] way ahead ;-) [23:37] sorry about the typos [23:37] Hong Kong, China, Asia [23:37] I'm in norway [23:38] lots of people and very buisy [23:38] Hong Kong I mean [23:38] Yes [23:38] exiting [23:39] I got a battery for my old ibook from Hong Kong [23:39] a bit odd, but a few sellres would not ship from uk [23:40] which whould have taken less time, but who cares, fast enough from hong kong [23:41] hAHAHA [23:44] Ahh, there goes the critical bug for Edubuntu, excellent news :) [23:44] 10 seconds left [23:45] * silverarrow lunches easi iso [23:45] lol [23:45] launches [23:45] smartboyhw: good news for you, i hope... (00:38:03) skaet: hmm... chinese images haven't been respun since the ubiquity fixes, I'm kicking off a respin of them now. [23:55] smartboy2, do you want me posting them on the localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com tracker, so you can record results against them. [23:55] ? [23:58] hmm.. appear to have the link wrong, hunting