| === Lcawte is now known as zz_Lcawte | ||
| ali1234 | apple UUID leak sure is interesting | 01:07 |
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| ali1234 | er, UDID | 01:08 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: just fyi people are lawyering up over pirate, and he has registered businesses at his address :p | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | http://gawker.com/ | 01:17 |
| ali1234 | lulz | 01:17 |
| Azelphur | hahahaha | 01:17 |
| === NimChimpsky is now known as HennaKaur | ||
| Supermanintights | hi, I've recently set up my thunderbird with my calendar settings, and I'm looking for a way to run it through a screensaver - either directly or a screensaver that just displays the content behind it in some way. I want to leave my calendar running in the background on one of my machines, but I want to try and avoid image burn etc. | 02:28 |
| ali1234 | image burn does not happen any more | 02:31 |
| ali1234 | ok, it does, but it's not something you need to worry about | 02:33 |
| Supermanintights | are you sure - I could be leaving my screen (LCD tv) on for hours at a time on a static calendar image (well static save for updates) | 02:35 |
| ali1234 | 24 hours a day? | 02:35 |
| Supermanintights | possibly not quite 24, as I sleep for some, play video games for others - but you could be talking at least 6 hours a day, often non-stop | 02:36 |
| Supermanintights | because of the nature of my work, a calendar like that would be really useful | 02:36 |
| ali1234 | LCDs don't burn in the same way that CRTs do | 02:37 |
| Supermanintights | yeah - I've researched enough to see that, just saw that it's still techinically possible to get a similar effect, which is why I was just a bit concerned - I love my tv :D | 02:37 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 04:14 |
| christel | morning | 05:28 |
| === em is now known as em_ | ||
| === em_ is now known as em | ||
| jussi | mrgh... | 06:13 |
| jussi | morning I guess | 06:14 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 06:19 |
| MartijnVdS | you're an hour late :) | 06:19 |
| christel | hehe | 06:22 |
| MartijnVdS | christel: he was supposed to be at work at 8, and it's past 9 (for him) now :) | 06:22 |
| christel | oopsie! | 06:22 |
| * MartijnVdS has fresh tea! | 06:23 | |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ | 06:23 |
| christel | :D | 06:25 |
| christel | i have lukewarm coffee :( | 06:25 |
| christel | hehe | 06:25 |
| MartijnVdS | eww | 06:25 |
| christel | ikr? | 06:31 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:02 |
| MartijnVdS | \o diplo | 07:04 |
| christel | diplo: :D | 07:08 |
| diplo | So an actual on ish topic this morning but probably to early | 07:09 |
| diplo | It looks like my company are going to brand some 1u servers to sell as a new software/hardware stack | 07:10 |
| diplo | So all the machines will be exactly the same, basically what I'd like to know is, is it worth trying to optimise Apache/php/mysql to this hardware or will the differences from stock to an optimised install not make a big enough difference | 07:11 |
| diplo | This could be from 6 - 10 users up to 80-100 | 07:11 |
| MartijnVdS | I'd only worry if you're hitting limits somewhere | 07:13 |
| MartijnVdS | can you scale up with even more hardware? Why not do that.. unless you're google-scale or Amazon-scale, it's probably not worth it | 07:13 |
| MartijnVdS | (unless, as I said, you're hitting a specific bottleneck) | 07:13 |
| diplo | It's not been tested with lots of users yet, I think it's quite heavy on apache/mysql with a few ( 3? ) users | 07:13 |
| MartijnVdS | time for some profiling :) | 07:14 |
| diplo | OK, sounds promising.. point me in the direction of what to look at ? Please | 07:14 |
| AlanBell | optimise the sql indexes of the app | 07:14 |
| MartijnVdS | Yes, learn how to tune mysql indexes first | 07:15 |
| MartijnVdS | then if that's not enough, tune Apache | 07:15 |
| AlanBell | log all slow queries and queries not using indexes then fix them all | 07:15 |
| MartijnVdS | and if that doesn't work, switch to a real RDBMS :P | 07:15 |
| diplo | ah ok, I've optimised sql indexes before.. will enable that | 07:16 |
| diplo | Is their a way of logging slow processes with apache like mysql slow queries | 07:16 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 07:17 |
| MartijnVdS | there's http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html thoguh | 07:17 |
| AlanBell | the reason for slow page loads will be slow queries | 07:18 |
| MartijnVdS | separating static files out to a separate, dedicated server might also help | 07:19 |
| MartijnVdS | You can use nginx or lighttpd on that instead of Apache (even more light-weight) | 07:19 |
| diplo | yeah, it's an internal app ( our erp system ) much like OpenERP | 07:20 |
| AlanBell | but only optimise stuff that is actually slow | 07:20 |
| diplo | but it's not hugely mysql dependant, we have our own middleware that writes db to a cisam ( legacy ) database and reads as well | 07:20 |
| diplo | But when I watch top, each time a link is clicked I notice a 3% spike on apache | 07:21 |
| MartijnVdS | Only optimize things that are slow, and only optimize after profiling :) | 07:21 |
| diplo | and I was thinking 3% x 20 users might start bogging it down | 07:21 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: can you "script" user activity? Even crudely? | 07:21 |
| AlanBell | php-apc is a free performance boost | 07:22 |
| MartijnVdS | On a test setup? | 07:22 |
| MartijnVdS | That will help finding bottlenecks | 07:22 |
| diplo | You mean like run the stuff they would be doing ? | 07:22 |
| MartijnVdS | yes, or similar things | 07:23 |
| diplo | Well I saw a firefox pluging which the name has eluded me for now that does the job for you that you can record and then keep running | 07:23 |
| AlanBell | selinium | 07:24 |
| diplo | heh, just found it in my mail, yeah | 07:24 |
| AlanBell | kind of good, but does need some manual tweaks to recorded sequences | 07:24 |
| AlanBell | and can break on firefox upgrades | 07:25 |
| diplo | Thanks for input guys, will take a look at stuff today | 07:28 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning earthlings | 08:18 |
| jacobw | hmm, 12.10b1 tomorrow | 08:18 |
| jacobw | morning Sourcererling | 08:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 08:20 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| MartijnVdS | whoa.. a schwuk :) | 08:21 |
| schwuk | MartijnVdS: :) | 08:22 |
| n1md4 | christel: Are you around? Still getting a load of IRC spam :-\ | 08:23 |
| czajkowski | n1md4: perhaps ask in #freenode for help there | 08:25 |
| n1md4 | czajkowski: sure, only that christel was advising yesterday. I'll ask on freenode. | 08:26 |
| czajkowski | n1md4: yup but that is the channel to get more advice | 08:26 |
| n1md4 | czajkowski: Appreciate that :) | 08:29 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :D | 08:32 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:35 |
| bigcalm | I get the feeling that my router is in .be - doubt I'll see it today | 08:37 |
| bigcalm | Amusing that the last status on the tracking website is "Parcel is routed" | 08:38 |
| MartijnVdS | Not switched? | 08:44 |
| === zz_Lcawte is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bigcalm | So it'll turn up tomorrow. One of the 2 days a month when I'm not in my home office | 08:52 |
| bigcalm | Bah | 08:52 |
| christel | aww | 08:58 |
| ali1234 | hmm you don't need to sign the CoC to make a PPA any more. when did that change? | 09:03 |
| ali1234 | anywhoo, i approve of this | 09:06 |
| ali1234 | https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA is out of date and still says oyu need to sign the CoC | 09:08 |
| mungojerry | what's wrong with CoC? | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | nothing wrong with it's content | 09:12 |
| bigcalm | By signing the CoC, I learnt more about how one uses keys and encryption :) | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | i already know that stuff | 09:12 |
| bigcalm | I didn't :) | 09:12 |
| bigcalm | You tend not to learn stuff until it actually becomes a need | 09:13 |
| ali1234 | and i find the idea of signing an agreement that says i will be nice to be rather silly | 09:13 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: that's where you're wrong ;) | 09:13 |
| ali1234 | but that is irrelevant | 09:14 |
| mungojerry | ali1234, it means if you're not nice, your account can be closed without argument. because you knew you were supposed to be nice | 09:14 |
| ali1234 | the point is, i just made a PPA without signing the CoC, so the requirement has been quietly dropped | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: I don't know how to do a lot of network stuff, but I'll learn if I find I need to | 09:14 |
| ali1234 | mungojerry: exactly. and it is extremely vague | 09:14 |
| mungojerry | but i like the sentiment | 09:14 |
| ali1234 | mungojerry: which means by signing it i am essentially allowing it to be used against me | 09:14 |
| * bigcalm kicks nginx into submission | 09:15 | |
| * daubers hands bigcalm the nginx LART | 09:15 | |
| mungojerry | what's the most reliable sw for copying isos to usb? the ubuntu one works for ubuntu only, unetbootin seems to not work quite a lot | 09:15 |
| diplo | bigcalm: Are you nginx savvy ? | 09:17 |
| JohnRobert | heh, I am | 09:17 |
| JohnRobert | I installed it just the other day | 09:17 |
| JohnRobert | well, actually I wouldn't say I'm savvy | 09:17 |
| JohnRobert | but I got it working for the office here | 09:17 |
| diplo | I've got it working ok for the most part, want to play with concrete5 CMS | 09:18 |
| diplo | http://85.119.82.250/concrete/ | 09:18 |
| bigcalm | diplo: not in the slightest :D gitlab kind of forced it upon me | 09:18 |
| JohnRobert | oh right | 09:18 |
| diplo | Supports concrete5 request URLs | 09:18 |
| diplo | Is the part I can't get to tick :) | 09:18 |
| diplo | I've tried lot's of different things but not worked it out yet. | 09:18 |
| JohnRobert | wait | 09:19 |
| JohnRobert | wait | 09:19 |
| JohnRobert | I thought by nginx you meant ngircd | 09:19 |
| diplo | LD | 09:19 |
| JohnRobert | stupid names! | 09:19 |
| diplo | :D | 09:19 |
| ali1234 | mungojerry: many ISOs are hybrid these days. you can just dd them | 09:19 |
| JohnRobert | having said that we do use nginx here.. but I don't know anything about it | 09:19 |
| mungojerry | ali1234, dd to the /dev/sdd or sdd1? | 09:19 |
| diplo | Thought I better start using my VPS I pay money for | 09:19 |
| ali1234 | mungojerry: to /dev/sdd | 09:19 |
| mungojerry | and should my machine freeze for the entire time? cos it does :( | 09:20 |
| mungojerry | i thought there was a kernel fix for the desktop freeze during heavy i/o | 09:23 |
| mungojerry | maybe it's just my machine thuogh | 09:23 |
| ali1234 | you wish there was a fix for it | 09:23 |
| mungojerry | i thought there was lots of news about it | 09:23 |
| mungojerry | a year ago | 09:23 |
| ali1234 | that was not the IO scheduler. that was the process scheduler | 09:24 |
| ali1234 | i assume you are refering to the BFS thing? | 09:24 |
| diplo | Hows the game coming along ali1234 ? | 09:24 |
| ali1234 | con kolivas? | 09:24 |
| mungojerry | no, more recent | 09:24 |
| mungojerry | my memory's not what it was though | 09:25 |
| mungojerry | anyway, my machine's still working atm ..which is unusual | 09:25 |
| mungojerry | usually copying a DVD sized iso to the usb kills the machine for 20 mins | 09:25 |
| diplo | not sure of the name, racing through tubes etc | 09:25 |
| ali1234 | diplo: been busy working and playing tekkit recently, so not done wanything with it | 09:25 |
| diplo | :( | 09:25 |
| diplo | looks good though | 09:25 |
| ali1234 | it has no name yet, and i've been working on it for nearly 10 years so don't hold your breath | 09:26 |
| mungojerry | wow | 09:26 |
| mungojerry | what's your day job ali1234 | 09:26 |
| ali1234 | freelancing | 09:26 |
| ali1234 | so when i've got no work, i do my own stuff :) | 09:26 |
| mungojerry | nice :) | 09:27 |
| mungojerry | sometimes i get to do my own stuff for work purposes :D | 09:27 |
| ali1234 | project i've been building: http://drumoff.tv | 09:28 |
| ali1234 | just finally got it online yesterday | 09:28 |
| ali1234 | totally not interesting unless you play drums | 09:28 |
| mungojerry | i know a few drummers | 09:29 |
| ali1234 | send them the link please :) | 09:29 |
| mungojerry | will do | 09:30 |
| mungojerry | i recommend having a youth category too for under 12s | 09:30 |
| mungojerry | or similar. there's some wicked young drummers out there | 09:30 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure on the legalities of doing that | 09:30 |
| ali1234 | we're not even sure we will get enough entries for 1 category yet | 09:31 |
| mungojerry | tell popey , he has lots of friends on the internet :D | 09:31 |
| shauno | for U12's, believe it's fine here, not-so-fine in the US | 09:31 |
| ali1234 | running the competition isn't my department, i'm just the tech support | 09:32 |
| mungojerry | you don't even have to show the drummer | 09:32 |
| popey | I'd recommend you show jono | 09:32 |
| mungojerry | jono likes rawk | 09:32 |
| * mungojerry submits a video of air dumming | 09:32 | |
| mungojerry | s/dum/drum | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | technically i think that is allowed lol | 09:33 |
| mungojerry | making mouth noises | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | rules say you can only use bass hat and snare but it doesnt say you have to use all or any of them | 09:33 |
| mungojerry | does this count ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SrSFn7isk&feature=plcp | 09:35 |
| ali1234 | it's longer than 30 seconds, so no | 09:36 |
| mungojerry | :P | 09:36 |
| ali1234 | kit is pretty much right though | 09:36 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:42 |
| mungojerry | yo | 09:43 |
| mungojerry | running hdparm (non cached) on a thin provisioned disk yields 600MB/s , over a 125MB/s link? | 09:44 |
| mungojerry | real test (e.g. dd) yields 100MB/s | 09:45 |
| mungojerry | what's hdparm doing wrong? | 09:45 |
| mgdm | megabits vs, megabytes? (just a guess) | 09:48 |
| mungojerry | nope | 09:51 |
| daubers | sitting in a cache somewhere? | 09:51 |
| mungojerry | dd yields more realistic results. | 09:51 |
| mungojerry | hdparm -t uses buffers but not cache | 09:51 |
| daubers | does that no only work on real disks though? Rather than networked storage? | 09:52 |
| daubers | i.e. is it just sitting it in RAM? | 09:52 |
| mungojerry | it's an iscsi connected disk | 09:53 |
| daubers | urgh | 09:53 |
| mungojerry | running it on thick provisioned disk works | 09:53 |
| daubers | nuff said | 09:53 |
| mungojerry | it's enterprise quality storage | 09:53 |
| * daubers has never like iscsi | 09:53 | |
| mungojerry | i am running against a 10Gbit and 1Gbit iscsi connected disks | 09:54 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: glad to see you haven't given up irc :D | 09:54 |
| mungojerry | it's a stopgap until FC | 09:54 |
| daubers | What do you get on the 10Gb link ooi? | 09:54 |
| mungojerry | well that's the beginning of the problem | 09:55 |
| mungojerry | much less than we shou,ld | 09:55 |
| daubers | which is? | 09:55 |
| mungojerry | can't get IBM to admit the problem | 09:55 |
| mungojerry | hdparm giving around 130MB/s and i would expect more than 3x that on a V7000 | 09:55 |
| daubers | How many drives in a V7000? | 09:55 |
| mungojerry | there's 12 600GB SAS 10k atm | 09:57 |
| daubers | from 16x3TB SATA drives I can get ~800-900MB/s over a single 10GbE link (using NFS) | 09:58 |
| daubers | Raid 6'd ^ | 09:58 |
| mungojerry | we have a serious problem and i think it's IBM fault | 09:58 |
| mungojerry | they supply the blades, and the SAN and the customised vmware | 09:59 |
| mungojerry | last problem we had was very similar for sas connected storage, and it was with their customised vmware | 09:59 |
| mungojerry | dodgy lsi VIB | 09:59 |
| daubers | ooof... SAN..... I'll step away from that now | 09:59 |
| mungojerry | daubers, is that hdparm speed or dd'ing a 1GB file for example | 10:00 |
| daubers | mungojerry: That's dd'ing a 20GB file (we always test with files bigger than the amount of RAM in the NAS) | 10:00 |
| mungojerry | the consulting company didn't even notice the problem and tried handing over to us | 10:00 |
| daubers | If I do it smaller than the free RAM in the NAS I'll get it running as 1200MB/s (i.e. near line speed) | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 15.7809 s, 66.4 MB/s | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | lol | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | that's read speed | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | gonna have to install linux directly onto a blade instead of vmware to find out where the problem is | 10:02 |
| mungojerry | the iscsi on the 1gb link is faster than the 10gb v7000 | 10:02 |
| mungojerry | i didn't choose this hardware btw | 10:02 |
| mungojerry | have a support call open with IVBM atm but they aren't looking holistically | 10:04 |
| mungojerry | just at the SAN logs | 10:04 |
| mungojerry | daubers, do you dd the file locally or to /dev/null? | 10:08 |
| daubers | Read tests I'll dd to /dev/null | 10:09 |
| daubers | local dd will be limited by the local disk | 10:09 |
| mungojerry | yes, just checking you wre doing to same test as me | 10:09 |
| daubers | An interesting one I tend to run as well is do it with lots of files simultaniously | 10:09 |
| daubers | CIFS tends to work better that way for some reason | 10:10 |
| daubers | or give better results anyway | 10:10 |
| mungojerry | have you used iozone? | 10:10 |
| mungojerry | http://www.iozone.org/ | 10:10 |
| daubers | Yes..... but I'm generally not interested in IOPS for my final use of these systems | 10:11 |
| daubers | the streaming read tests tend to be more reliable for what I'm doing | 10:11 |
| mungojerry | it helps with tuning nfs too though | 10:11 |
| daubers | Again... not really with what I'm doing :) End use is video editing, so lots of large streaming reads. Most of the IOP based things are based around random read/write cycles | 10:12 |
| daubers | Which is what most servers will end up doing | 10:12 |
| daubers | (i.e. databasing or working with smaller files) | 10:12 |
| mungojerry | are you also involved in backups? | 10:13 |
| mungojerry | for your work systems | 10:13 |
| daubers | Yes, but the backups are quite slow (and not much changes in the office itself) | 10:14 |
| mungojerry | having a running argument as to the expected daily % change on our systems | 10:14 |
| daubers | heh | 10:14 |
| daubers | I was arguing the toss with someone the other day who's recorded daily changes was less than a tenth of a percent of the total dataset | 10:15 |
| mungojerry | :-o | 10:17 |
| mungojerry | i think that's called static :P | 10:17 |
| mungojerry | our data includes VMs | 10:18 |
| mungojerry | windows has quite high daily change on quiet system | 10:18 |
| mungojerry | linux is much lower. | 10:18 |
| mungojerry | and is more tunable | 10:18 |
| jacobw | do you backup things outside of the users home directory? | 10:20 |
| mungojerry | yes, all data and entire VMs | 10:21 |
| mungojerry | just discovered http://sugru.com/ looks like someting every man should own | 10:22 |
| jacobw | i'm increasingly convinced that only backing up home directories, conffiles that have changed and data like mysql dumps and Maildirs is good for most use cases | 10:24 |
| jacobw | ubuntu + overlay of stuff that makes it server X | 10:24 |
| mungojerry | unfortunately the enterprise has all sorts of apps that are complex | 10:25 |
| mungojerry | virtualisation makes restoration of service a million times easier now though | 10:25 |
| mungojerry | and consultations have tendency to only recommend windows, and PHBs have tendency to do what highly paid 3rd parties tend to recommend | 10:26 |
| gord | i've started developing in a VM recently, its so much nicer to go, oops. shouldn't of upgraded, everythings broke. restore snapshot! | 10:27 |
| davmor2 | gord: christel needs to annoy you | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:28 |
| gord | then i'm closed for business! no more customers today | 10:28 |
| christel | oh i cant remember what i wanted you for | 10:29 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: hey dude, steak minus 8hours and counting | 10:29 |
| gord | fantastic | 10:29 |
| christel | oh sweets.. davmor2 said you had to tell me about some Amazing Japanese Sweets | 10:29 |
| mungojerry | japanese colleague brought amazing sweets. found out they were sweets but dried white bait UGHGH | 10:29 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: we shall see. I had steak at the weekend. Don't know if WS's one will live up to the high standard | 10:29 |
| gord | christel, http://gordallott.com/+ i share them on my google + thing every two weeks, have a service that sends me japanese candy twice a month :) | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | christel: gord likes to eat the most disgusting things. I'll swallow almost anything, but not what he has to offer... | 10:30 |
| ali1234 | o_O | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | Please don't read bad things into that statement! | 10:31 |
| mungojerry | ^-^ | 10:31 |
| gord | the sweet potato candy i got last time was delish | 10:31 |
| christel | sweet potato candy.. fantastic | 10:31 |
| christel | bigcalm: :o | 10:31 |
| christel | bigcalm: what were these ones he made you guys try? :) | 10:31 |
| mungojerry | ali1234, the dd direct to usb didn't work :( | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | christel: That's why I said annoy gord, I'm pretty sure it was sour pear something or other | 10:32 |
| bigcalm | christel: a question for gord | 10:32 |
| christel | gord: is it like Surprise stuff or do you select preferences or something? :) | 10:33 |
| bigcalm | That 'sweet' was one hell of a surprise | 10:33 |
| * mungojerry wants sweets now | 10:34 | |
| gord | it was umboshi candy, umboshi is a pickled plum dish that japanese people love but its an aquired taste that i think is fun to surprise people with | 10:34 |
| mungojerry | eric the elephant mmm | 10:34 |
| ali1234 | mungojerry: the ISO does have to be specially made to do it. ubuntu ISOs should work | 10:34 |
| ali1234 | what ISO are you trying to use? | 10:34 |
| shauno | I tried some recently that were licorice & chilli. that was .. confusing | 10:34 |
| gord | christel, its a surprise, basically the guy running it selects 2-3 candies and stuffs 400 envelopes with them and mails them out to people all over the world. he sends out really nice emails explaining what everything is i think the how it works on http://candyjapan.com explains it better than i ever could | 10:35 |
| mungojerry | ali1234, i used an elementaryOS nightly build. however since this is based off ubuntu i'm using the ubuntu startup disk creator now, whic | 10:35 |
| mungojerry | h should work i hope | 10:36 |
| christel | gord: ooh danke | 10:36 |
| mungojerry | elementary is looking really neat atm | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | Any body know of a good tut on writing init.d scripts? | 11:03 |
| jacobw | they're not that standardized | 11:07 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: for what system? Don't forget you have upstart and systemd now instead | 11:07 |
| bigcalm | Debian 6.0 (squeeze) | 11:07 |
| jacobw | they just respond to !$ and start/stop/restart the process with whatever mechanisms available | 11:08 |
| jacobw | Uh, $1 even | 11:08 |
| directhex | bigcalm, cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/myscript | 11:08 |
| bigcalm | directhex: ta | 11:09 |
| jacobw | upstart/systemd is much more logical, but upstart has some limitation and systemd isn't really implmented anywhere | 11:09 |
| directhex | bigcalm, nano /etc/init.d/myscript | 11:09 |
| bigcalm | directhex: latter part a bit patronising :) | 11:09 |
| bigcalm | "nano -w" ftw | 11:09 |
| directhex | i've been a professional linux systems manager for 8 years, and i use nano :D | 11:10 |
| ali1234 | i once went to a job interview and they asked me "vi or emacs?" | 11:10 |
| ali1234 | and i said "nano" | 11:10 |
| davmor2 | directhex: that's cause nano rocks | 11:10 |
| bigcalm | directhex: sounds like you're introducing yourself at an AA meeting | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | directhex: plus it sounds like an episode of mork and mindy when you say it twice :D | 11:12 |
| mungojerry | daubers, the 800-900MB/s was against how many disks? | 11:13 |
| mungojerry | ali1234, did you get the job? | 11:13 |
| daubers | mungojerry: 16 | 11:13 |
| mungojerry | i grew up on solaris, so vi all the way | 11:13 |
| mungojerry | daubers, thanks | 11:13 |
| mungojerry | what's the SAN/NAS? | 11:14 |
| daubers | mungojerry: Something I designed/built :) Was a xeon based nas with an areca card in it | 11:15 |
| ali1234 | mungojerry: no | 11:16 |
| gord | i grew up on a zx spectrum, so uh... zx basic interperator all the way? | 11:19 |
| davmor2 | gord: I bet you are really glad that there is that spectrum emulator then :D | 11:22 |
| gord | wouldn't get any work done without it! | 11:22 |
| dutchie | daubers: happy birthday (if facebook isn't lying) | 11:30 |
| directhex | who would do that? just go on the internet and post lies? | 11:31 |
| daubers | dutchie: Ta | 11:43 |
| daubers | directhex: Everyone eva? | 11:43 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: lies? what are those? | 11:46 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: According to various governments, facts. | 11:47 |
| MartijnVdS | ah ok, that's good then | 11:47 |
| hoover | hi folks | 11:49 |
| davmor2 | hey hoover | 11:50 |
| christel | happy daubers day \o/ | 11:50 |
| MartijnVdS | is it daubers day? | 11:50 |
| * davmor2 congratulates daubers on making it another year | 11:50 | |
| MartijnVdS | congratifications! :) | 11:51 |
| daubers | ta | 11:51 |
| * popey waves to hoover | 12:16 | |
| hoover | hey popey | 12:34 |
| hoover | thanks for your support mate ;-) | 12:34 |
| popey | np | 12:34 |
| hoover | I hope all goes well tonight. I would have expected 12.04 to work well on such a relatively recent machine, but who knows | 12:36 |
| hoover | one thing I noted is that the gpu fans run at full speed with the latest nvidia binaries, so I hope it's possible to downgrade to an earlier version | 12:37 |
| hoover | (unless the bug's been fixed in the newest drivers, of course) | 12:38 |
| mungojerry | hoover, what version of nvidia driver you on? | 12:42 |
| popey | chaps.. | 12:43 |
| popey | Quadro NVS 290/PCI/SSE2 if someone has that card... | 12:43 |
| hoover | 195.xx ATM | 12:44 |
| popey | and they have the 173 nvidia binary driver.. | 12:44 |
| hoover | 12.04.1 lts? ;-) | 12:44 |
| popey | hmmm | 12:47 |
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| * bigcalm wibbles back into the office | 12:49 | |
| mungojerry | i seem to have 304.43 nvidia driver version | 12:50 |
| hoover | yep I ended up with 195.xx by trial and error, seeing which one would not show the 100% fan speed problem | 12:52 |
| hoover | I think the newest one was 295.xx or thereabouts back then | 12:52 |
| mungojerry | hoover, which card you have? | 12:53 |
| diplo | popey: Is their a way to find out what package a meta? package installs like mail-server^ ? | 12:53 |
| mungojerry | i am using a PPA to get the newer one on 12.04 | 12:54 |
| hoover | hey biggie | 12:58 |
| hoover | mungojerry: and 8800GT | 12:58 |
| bigcalm | Afternoon hoovie | 12:59 |
| mungojerry | hoover, 304.43 is supported for 8800gt http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-304.43-driver.html | 12:59 |
| hoover | mungojerry: thanks | 13:00 |
| mungojerry | as mentioned , i'm getting it from a PPA on 12.04, but it's been stable for me, and newer is generally better for nvidia drivers | 13:01 |
| hoover | I'd use the latest drivers if the fan problem has been fixed. I guess I'll find out tonight. | 13:01 |
| popey | diplo, section: metapackages | 13:08 |
| popey | alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop | grep Section | 13:09 |
| popey | Section: metapackages | 13:09 |
| diplo | ta | 13:09 |
| Laney | apt-get install foo^ installs a task | 13:16 |
| Laney | tasksel --list-tasks | 13:16 |
| diplo | I just wanted to see what packages the task installed | 13:19 |
| diplo | Or whether I should just install manually | 13:19 |
| jussi | AlanBell: you about at the moment? | 13:20 |
| hoover | ok folks laters all | 13:23 |
| Goshawk | hi | 13:26 |
| Goshawk | I could use some help trying to sort out a problem with an external hd, can anyone help? | 13:29 |
| BigRedS | Goshawk: we wont know until you tell us what the problem is :) | 13:29 |
| Goshawk | ok, long story but basically i installed ubuntu on to an eternal hd by accident and i need the data that is on it. I ran a recovery program and can find all the data (mp3s etc) but i cant do anything with it because its locked, ubuntu is telling me i dont have permission to use it. So the question is how do i get ubuntu off the ex-hd without loosing all of the other stuff? | 13:38 |
| jacobw | run as root | 13:39 |
| BigRedS | just to be clear, the recovery program has made it such that you can see all these files in a normal file browser? | 13:39 |
| Goshawk | yes, but all the files have a padlock sign on them | 13:39 |
| _serial_ | chown it | 13:40 |
| _serial_ | them even | 13:40 |
| jacobw | run as root is less change :) | 13:40 |
| Goshawk | how do i do that? | 13:41 |
| jussi | jacobw: less change, more danger :P | 13:41 |
| _serial_ | sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/files/* | 13:41 |
| MartijnVdS | ♫ I ain't afraid of no root! | 13:41 |
| jacobw | yes, you're right, it would be safer to chown them to be readable to your user only. | 13:42 |
| jussi | MartijnVdS: welcome to windows... | 13:42 |
| Goshawk | is there a way to just uninstall ubuntu from the hd? | 13:43 |
| _serial_ | run gparted and remove the partition, you can do that from live cd/dvd/usb or install it on your system | 13:44 |
| _serial_ | remember to backup though | 13:45 |
| BigRedS | that will delete everything in the partition, though | 13:47 |
| _serial_ | does the task though? | 13:47 |
| jacobw | yes, but i think it would be much better to recover and verify the 'lost' data first | 13:49 |
| Goshawk | for sure | 13:49 |
| _serial_ | true but i did say backup :) | 13:50 |
| jacobw | Ok, so find the path of one of the files that you can see in the file browser, and test using `chown youruser. /path/to/file` to make it accessible to your user | 13:52 |
| BigRedS | there's no way, given a volume with a Ubuntu install and some other stuff on it to simply remove allthe Ubuntu bits and leave the other stuff | 13:54 |
| BigRedS | That took forever to actually be sent... | 13:55 |
| Goshawk | ok, working on it now, thanks for the help | 14:01 |
| AlanBell | o/ jussi | 14:44 |
| davmor2 | jussi: that's administrator though right | 14:47 |
| Goshawk | Can anyone tell how to change the root permissions? | 14:58 |
| diplo | chown user:user file | 14:59 |
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| diplo | with sudo | 14:59 |
| diplo | so for me it would be : sudo chown andy: file.txt or something | 14:59 |
| diplo | if you don't add a second argument after the : it will use the same name for the group | 15:00 |
| Goshawk | awesome, thanks for that | 15:01 |
| diplo | If you want to do a directory and all it's file inside you can do sudo chown -R andy: dirname/ | 15:01 |
| Goshawk | ah, ok cheers :) | 15:02 |
| bigcalm | Goshawk: that was for ownership, did you want to change permissions? Two different things | 15:17 |
| diplo | So it is, I got a bit mized up from above i think :/ | 15:19 |
| Goshawk | im recovering lost data from an ex-hd and i just need to be able to move it around and rename the folder etc | 15:20 |
| diplo | Owning the files should be fine then | 15:20 |
| Goshawk | yeah, seems to be working | 15:21 |
| bigcalm | Goodo :) Best to check that's what you wanted though | 15:23 |
| diplo | Very much so | 15:24 |
| Goshawk | def | 15:25 |
| BigRedS | I've a mac with OSX and a Boot Camped Windows 7 on it. Is there a sane way to get Ubuntu in there? | 16:05 |
| BigRedS | where sane means I can give this back to the owner and never have to see it again :) | 16:05 |
| MartijnVdS | ask popey :) | 16:14 |
| SuperMatt | BigRedS: it's sane, and possible, you need to resize the disks, install refit, and when you install ubuntu, make sure you point the boot loader to the devier that has / on it | 16:14 |
| SuperMatt | look up mactel for more info | 16:14 |
| SuperMatt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation | 16:15 |
| SuperMatt | that's it! | 16:15 |
| SuperMatt | right there | 16:15 |
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| BigRedS | aha, cheers SuperMatt! | 16:27 |
| * MartijnVdS plays with svg and javascript | 16:50 | |
| MartijnVdS | it seems to be working :) | 16:50 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: must be broken then, nothing is meant to work right first time | 16:51 |
| MartijnVdS | well I've been trying all afternoon | 17:02 |
| MartijnVdS | and it only started to work an hour ago | 17:02 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: then you're doing it right keep up the good work :D | 17:03 |
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| MartijnVdS | davmor2: I now have a map (downloaded from OSM as SVG), and put some (also SVG) icons on it | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | that I can blink red or green based on "fping" results | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | (getting closer to the Jurassic Park "park map" display! ;)) | 17:05 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: you really need help ;) | 17:06 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: you didn't say the magic word! | 17:07 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Don't worry I made a call, the men in white coats are on their way with a tight fitting jacket that fastens at the back just for you, they have a nice comfy padded room for you :D | 17:09 |
| MartijnVdS | oooh padded room! | 17:12 |
| MartijnVdS | I'll be safe from the velociraptors there | 17:12 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: well at least until the tear through the wall | 17:19 |
| MartijnVdS | I wonder how I could make this more generic | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | the whole ping/map thing | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | all I need is some js, a small script that fpings the hosts and returns the result in json | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | (which I have now) | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | but adding new markers to the map is hardness :( | 17:26 |
| diplo | evening all | 17:52 |
| MartijnVdS | hi diplo | 17:52 |
| diplo | Right, finish work on web stuff.. come home onto a private web job | 17:57 |
| * diplo thought I'd stopped doing these things | 17:57 | |
| diplo | :) | 17:57 |
| pinky- | Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Quote | 18:00 |
| diplo | Ones work, others for a charity | 18:01 |
| diplo | So not sure how I feel :D | 18:01 |
| MartijnVdS | woo.. RIPE is down to its last v4 block | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | its last /10 even | 18:04 |
| marsilainen | hi all, anyone got any idea how long before 'ubuntu for android' will become available? | 18:44 |
| diplo | Hmm a start of a theme, learning it as I go along :D | 18:44 |
| diplo | http://pap.olpid.co.uk/ | 18:44 |
| diplo | marsilainen: I believe it's still in testing/R&D faze, works on a Moto Atrix if you have one | 18:45 |
| diplo | afaik no dates set | 18:45 |
| marsilainen | ok, thanks, interesting | 18:46 |
| wol | d | 20:20 |
| brobostigon | good night everyone,sleep eell. | 21:16 |
| MartijnVdS | http://i.imgur.com/Ox5iN.jpeg | 21:17 |
| popey | hah MartijnVdS | 21:28 |
| popey | ali1234, drumoff needs friendly URLs turned on | 21:33 |
| popey | http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=8 is fugly | 21:33 |
| popey | http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=6 should be /rules | 21:34 |
| popey | http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=4 /about etc | 21:34 |
| Goshawk_ | Anyone good with sound cards? | 21:39 |
| MartijnVdS | !ask | 21:41 |
| lubotu3 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 21:41 |
| Goshawk_ | ok, how do i find out the make and model of the sound card? and where do i get the drivers? | 21:43 |
| stuphi | lspci? | 21:43 |
| MartijnVdS | Goshawk_: it should just work | 21:43 |
| MartijnVdS | Goshawk_: check /proc/asound/cards | 21:44 |
| Goshawk_ | 'command not found' | 21:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Goshawk_: cat /proc/asound/cards | 21:49 |
| Goshawk_ | nice, cheers for that | 21:50 |
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