[01:07] <ali1234> apple UUID leak sure is interesting
[01:08] <ali1234> er, UDID
[01:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: just fyi people are lawyering up over pirate, and he has registered businesses at his address :p
[01:17] <ali1234> http://gawker.com/
[01:17] <ali1234> lulz
[01:17] <Azelphur> hahahaha
[02:28] <Supermanintights> hi, I've recently set up my thunderbird with my calendar settings, and I'm looking for a way to run it through a screensaver - either directly or a screensaver that just displays the content behind it in some way.  I want to leave my calendar running in the background on one of my machines, but I want to try and avoid image burn etc.
[02:31] <ali1234> image burn does not happen any more
[02:33] <ali1234> ok, it does, but it's not something you need to worry about
[02:35] <Supermanintights> are you sure - I could be leaving my screen (LCD tv) on for hours at a time on a static calendar image (well static save for updates)
[02:35] <ali1234> 24 hours a day?
[02:36] <Supermanintights> possibly not quite 24, as I sleep for some, play video games for others - but you could be talking at least 6 hours a day, often non-stop
[02:36] <Supermanintights> because of the nature of my work, a calendar like that would be really useful
[02:37] <ali1234> LCDs don't burn in the same way that CRTs do
[02:37] <Supermanintights> yeah - I've researched enough to see that, just saw that it's still techinically possible to get a similar effect, which is why I was just a bit concerned - I love my tv :D
[04:14] <AlanBell> morning all
[05:28] <christel> morning
[06:13] <jussi> mrgh...
[06:14] <jussi> morning I guess
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> you're an hour late :)
[06:22] <christel> hehe
[06:22] <MartijnVdS> christel: he was supposed to be at work at 8, and it's past 9 (for him) now :)
[06:22] <christel> oopsie!
[06:23]  * MartijnVdS has fresh tea!
[06:23] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[06:25] <christel> :D
[06:25] <christel> i have lukewarm coffee :(
[06:25] <christel> hehe
[06:25] <MartijnVdS> eww
[06:31] <christel> ikr?
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> \o diplo
[07:08] <christel> diplo: :D
[07:09] <diplo> So an actual on ish topic this morning but probably to early
[07:10] <diplo> It looks like my company are going to brand some 1u servers to sell as a new software/hardware stack
[07:11] <diplo> So all the machines will be exactly the same, basically what I'd like to know is, is it worth trying to optimise Apache/php/mysql to this hardware or will the differences from stock to an optimised install not make a big enough difference
[07:11] <diplo> This could be from 6 - 10 users up to 80-100
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> I'd only worry if you're hitting limits somewhere
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> can you scale up with even more hardware? Why not do that.. unless you're google-scale or Amazon-scale, it's probably not worth it
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> (unless, as I said, you're hitting a specific bottleneck)
[07:13] <diplo> It's not been tested with lots of users yet, I think it's quite heavy on apache/mysql with a few ( 3? ) users
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> time for some profiling :)
[07:14] <diplo> OK, sounds promising.. point me in the direction of what to look at ? Please
[07:14] <AlanBell> optimise the sql indexes of the app
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> Yes, learn how to tune mysql indexes first
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> then if that's not enough, tune Apache
[07:15] <AlanBell> log all slow queries and queries not using indexes then fix them all
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> and if that doesn't work, switch to a real RDBMS :P
[07:16] <diplo> ah ok, I've optimised sql indexes before.. will enable that
[07:16] <diplo> Is their a way of logging slow processes with apache like mysql slow queries
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> no
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> there's http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html thoguh
[07:18] <AlanBell> the reason for slow page loads will be slow queries
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> separating static files out to a separate, dedicated server might also help
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> You can use nginx or lighttpd on that instead of Apache (even more light-weight)
[07:20] <diplo> yeah, it's an internal app ( our erp system ) much like OpenERP
[07:20] <AlanBell> but only optimise stuff that is actually slow
[07:20] <diplo> but it's not hugely mysql dependant, we have our own middleware that writes db to a cisam ( legacy ) database and reads as well
[07:21] <diplo> But when I watch top, each time a link is clicked I notice a 3% spike on apache
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> Only optimize things that are slow, and only optimize after profiling :)
[07:21] <diplo> and I was thinking 3% x 20 users might start bogging it down
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> diplo: can you "script" user activity? Even crudely?
[07:22] <AlanBell> php-apc is a free performance boost
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> On a test setup?
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> That will help finding bottlenecks
[07:22] <diplo> You mean like run the stuff they would be doing ?
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> yes, or similar things
[07:23] <diplo> Well I saw a firefox pluging which the name has eluded me for now that does the job for you that you can record and then keep running
[07:24] <AlanBell> selinium
[07:24] <diplo> heh, just found it in my mail, yeah
[07:24] <AlanBell> kind of good, but does need some manual tweaks to recorded sequences
[07:25] <AlanBell> and can break on firefox upgrades
[07:28] <diplo> Thanks for input guys, will take a look at stuff today
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[08:18] <jacobw> hmm, 12.10b1 tomorrow
[08:18] <jacobw> morning Sourcererling
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. a schwuk :)
[08:22] <schwuk> MartijnVdS: :)
[08:23] <n1md4> christel: Are you around?  Still getting a load of IRC spam :-\
[08:25] <czajkowski> n1md4: perhaps ask in #freenode for help there
[08:26] <n1md4> czajkowski: sure, only that christel was advising yesterday.  I'll ask on freenode.
[08:26] <czajkowski> n1md4: yup but that is the channel to get more advice
[08:29] <n1md4> czajkowski: Appreciate that :)
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[08:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:37] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that my router is in .be - doubt I'll see it today
[08:38] <bigcalm> Amusing that the last status on the tracking website is "Parcel is routed"
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> Not switched?
[08:52] <bigcalm> So it'll turn up tomorrow. One of the 2 days a month when I'm not in my home office
[08:52] <bigcalm> Bah
[08:58] <christel> aww
[09:03] <ali1234> hmm you don't need to sign the CoC to make a PPA any more. when did that change?
[09:06] <ali1234> anywhoo, i approve of this
[09:08] <ali1234> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA is out of date and still says oyu need to sign the CoC
[09:12] <mungojerry> what's wrong with CoC?
[09:12] <ali1234> nothing wrong with it's content
[09:12] <bigcalm> By signing the CoC, I learnt more about how one uses keys and encryption :)
[09:12] <ali1234> i already know that stuff
[09:12] <bigcalm> I didn't :)
[09:13] <bigcalm> You tend not to learn stuff until it actually becomes a need
[09:13] <ali1234> and i find the idea of signing an agreement that says i will be nice to be rather silly
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that's where you're wrong ;)
[09:14] <ali1234> but that is irrelevant
[09:14] <mungojerry> ali1234, it means if you're not nice, your account can be closed without argument. because you knew you were supposed to be nice
[09:14] <ali1234> the point is, i just made a PPA without signing the CoC, so the requirement has been quietly dropped
[09:14] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I don't know how to do a lot of network stuff, but I'll learn if I find I need to
[09:14] <ali1234> mungojerry: exactly. and it is extremely vague
[09:14] <mungojerry> but i like the sentiment
[09:14] <ali1234> mungojerry: which means by signing it i am essentially allowing it to be used against me
[09:15]  * bigcalm kicks nginx into submission
[09:15]  * daubers hands bigcalm the nginx LART
[09:15] <mungojerry> what's the most reliable sw for copying isos to usb? the ubuntu one works for ubuntu only, unetbootin seems to not work quite a lot
[09:17] <diplo> bigcalm: Are you nginx savvy ?
[09:17] <JohnRobert> heh, I am
[09:17] <JohnRobert> I installed it just the other day
[09:17] <JohnRobert> well, actually I wouldn't say I'm savvy
[09:17] <JohnRobert> but I got it working for the office here
[09:18] <diplo> I've got it working ok for the most part, want to play with concrete5 CMS
[09:18] <diplo> http://85.119.82.250/concrete/
[09:18] <bigcalm> diplo: not in the slightest :D gitlab kind of forced it upon me
[09:18] <JohnRobert> oh right
[09:18] <diplo> Supports concrete5 request URLs
[09:18] <diplo> Is the part I can't get to tick :)
[09:18] <diplo> I've tried lot's of different things but not worked it out  yet.
[09:19] <JohnRobert> wait
[09:19] <JohnRobert> wait
[09:19] <JohnRobert> I thought by nginx you meant ngircd
[09:19] <diplo> LD
[09:19] <JohnRobert> stupid names!
[09:19] <diplo> :D
[09:19] <ali1234> mungojerry: many ISOs are hybrid these days. you can just dd them
[09:19] <JohnRobert> having said that we do use nginx here.. but I don't know anything about it
[09:19] <mungojerry> ali1234, dd to the /dev/sdd or sdd1?
[09:19] <diplo> Thought I better start using my VPS I pay money for
[09:19] <ali1234> mungojerry: to /dev/sdd
[09:20] <mungojerry> and should my machine freeze for the entire time? cos it does :(
[09:23] <mungojerry> i thought there was a kernel fix for the desktop freeze during heavy i/o
[09:23] <mungojerry> maybe it's just my machine thuogh
[09:23] <ali1234> you wish there was a fix for it
[09:23] <mungojerry> i thought there was lots of news about it
[09:23] <mungojerry> a year ago
[09:24] <ali1234> that was not the IO scheduler. that was the process scheduler
[09:24] <ali1234> i assume you are refering to the BFS thing?
[09:24] <diplo> Hows the game coming along ali1234 ?
[09:24] <ali1234> con kolivas?
[09:24] <mungojerry> no, more recent
[09:25] <mungojerry> my memory's not what it was though
[09:25] <mungojerry> anyway, my machine's still working atm ..which is unusual
[09:25] <mungojerry> usually copying a DVD sized iso to the usb kills the machine for 20 mins
[09:25] <diplo> not sure of the name, racing through tubes etc
[09:25] <ali1234> diplo: been busy working and playing tekkit recently, so not done wanything with it
[09:25] <diplo> :(
[09:25] <diplo> looks good though
[09:26] <ali1234> it has no name yet, and i've been working on it for nearly 10 years so don't hold your breath
[09:26] <mungojerry> wow
[09:26] <mungojerry> what's your day job ali1234
[09:26] <ali1234> freelancing
[09:26] <ali1234> so when i've got no work, i do my own stuff :)
[09:27] <mungojerry> nice :)
[09:27] <mungojerry> sometimes i get to do my own stuff for work purposes :D
[09:28] <ali1234> project i've been building: http://drumoff.tv
[09:28] <ali1234> just finally got it online yesterday
[09:28] <ali1234> totally not interesting unless you play drums
[09:29] <mungojerry> i know a few drummers
[09:29] <ali1234> send them the link please :)
[09:30] <mungojerry> will do
[09:30] <mungojerry> i recommend having a youth category too for under 12s
[09:30] <mungojerry> or similar. there's some wicked young drummers out there
[09:30] <ali1234> i'm not sure on the legalities of doing that
[09:31] <ali1234> we're not even sure we will get enough entries for 1 category yet
[09:31] <mungojerry> tell popey , he has lots of friends on the internet :D
[09:31] <shauno> for U12's, believe it's fine here, not-so-fine in the US
[09:32] <ali1234> running the competition isn't my department, i'm just the tech support
[09:32] <mungojerry> you don't even have to show the drummer
[09:32] <popey> I'd recommend you show jono
[09:32] <mungojerry> jono likes rawk
[09:32]  * mungojerry submits a video of air dumming
[09:33] <mungojerry> s/dum/drum
[09:33] <ali1234> technically i think that is allowed lol
[09:33] <mungojerry> making mouth noises
[09:33] <ali1234> rules say you can only use bass hat and snare but it doesnt say you have to use all or any of them
[09:35] <mungojerry> does this count ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SrSFn7isk&feature=plcp
[09:36] <ali1234> it's longer than 30 seconds, so no
[09:36] <mungojerry> :P
[09:36] <ali1234> kit is pretty much right though
[09:42] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:43] <mungojerry> yo
[09:44] <mungojerry> running hdparm (non cached) on a thin provisioned disk yields 600MB/s , over a 125MB/s link?
[09:45] <mungojerry> real test (e.g. dd) yields 100MB/s
[09:45] <mungojerry> what's hdparm doing wrong?
[09:48] <mgdm> megabits vs, megabytes? (just a guess)
[09:51] <mungojerry> nope
[09:51] <daubers> sitting in a cache somewhere?
[09:51] <mungojerry> dd yields more realistic results.
[09:51] <mungojerry> hdparm -t uses buffers but not cache
[09:52] <daubers> does that no only work on real disks though? Rather than networked storage?
[09:52] <daubers> i.e. is it just sitting it in RAM?
[09:53] <mungojerry> it's an iscsi connected disk
[09:53] <daubers> urgh
[09:53] <mungojerry> running it on thick provisioned disk works
[09:53] <daubers> nuff said
[09:53] <mungojerry> it's enterprise quality storage
[09:53]  * daubers has never like iscsi
[09:54] <mungojerry> i am running against a 10Gbit and 1Gbit iscsi connected disks
[09:54] <bigcalm> mgdm: glad to see you haven't given up irc :D
[09:54] <mungojerry> it's a stopgap until FC
[09:54] <daubers> What do you get on the 10Gb link ooi?
[09:55] <mungojerry> well that's the beginning of the problem
[09:55] <mungojerry> much less than we shou,ld
[09:55] <daubers> which is?
[09:55] <mungojerry> can't get IBM to admit the problem
[09:55] <mungojerry> hdparm giving around 130MB/s and i would expect more than 3x that on a V7000
[09:55] <daubers> How many drives in a V7000?
[09:57] <mungojerry> there's 12 600GB SAS 10k atm
[09:58] <daubers> from 16x3TB SATA drives I can get ~800-900MB/s over a single 10GbE link (using NFS)
[09:58] <daubers> Raid 6'd ^
[09:58] <mungojerry> we have a serious problem and i think it's IBM fault
[09:59] <mungojerry> they supply the blades, and the SAN and the customised vmware
[09:59] <mungojerry> last problem we had was very similar for sas connected storage, and it was with their customised vmware
[09:59] <mungojerry> dodgy lsi VIB
[09:59] <daubers> ooof... SAN..... I'll step away from that now
[10:00] <mungojerry> daubers, is that hdparm speed or dd'ing a 1GB file for example
[10:00] <daubers> mungojerry: That's dd'ing a 20GB file (we always test with files bigger than the amount of RAM in the NAS)
[10:00] <mungojerry> the consulting company didn't even notice the problem and tried handing over to us
[10:01] <daubers> If I do it smaller than the free RAM in the NAS I'll get it running as 1200MB/s (i.e. near line speed)
[10:01] <mungojerry> 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 15.7809 s, 66.4 MB/s
[10:01] <mungojerry> lol
[10:01] <mungojerry> that's read speed
[10:02] <mungojerry> gonna have to install linux directly onto a blade instead of vmware to find out where the problem is
[10:02] <mungojerry> the iscsi on the 1gb  link is faster than the 10gb v7000
[10:02] <mungojerry> i didn't choose this hardware btw
[10:04] <mungojerry> have a support call open with IVBM atm but they aren't looking holistically
[10:04] <mungojerry> just at the SAN logs
[10:08] <mungojerry> daubers, do you dd the file locally or to /dev/null?
[10:09] <daubers> Read tests I'll dd to /dev/null
[10:09] <daubers> local dd will be limited by the local disk
[10:09] <mungojerry> yes, just checking you wre doing to same test as me
[10:09] <daubers> An interesting one I tend to run as well is do it with lots of files simultaniously
[10:10] <daubers> CIFS tends to work better that way for some reason
[10:10] <daubers> or give better results anyway
[10:10] <mungojerry> have you used iozone?
[10:10] <mungojerry> http://www.iozone.org/
[10:11] <daubers> Yes..... but I'm generally not interested in IOPS for my final use of these systems
[10:11] <daubers> the streaming read tests tend to be more reliable for what I'm doing
[10:11] <mungojerry> it helps with tuning nfs too though
[10:12] <daubers> Again... not really with what I'm doing :) End use is video editing, so lots of large streaming reads. Most of the IOP based things are based around random read/write cycles
[10:12] <daubers> Which is what most servers will end up doing
[10:12] <daubers> (i.e. databasing or working with smaller files)
[10:13] <mungojerry> are you also involved in backups?
[10:13] <mungojerry> for your work systems
[10:14] <daubers> Yes, but the backups are quite slow (and not much changes in the office itself)
[10:14] <mungojerry> having a running argument as to the expected daily % change on our systems
[10:14] <daubers> heh
[10:15] <daubers> I was arguing the toss with someone the other day who's recorded daily changes was less than a tenth of a percent of the total dataset
[10:17] <mungojerry> :-o
[10:17] <mungojerry> i think that's called static :P
[10:18] <mungojerry> our data includes VMs
[10:18] <mungojerry> windows has quite high daily change on quiet system
[10:18] <mungojerry> linux is much lower.
[10:18] <mungojerry> and is more tunable
[10:20] <jacobw> do you backup things outside of the users home directory?
[10:21] <mungojerry> yes, all data and entire VMs
[10:22] <mungojerry> just discovered http://sugru.com/ looks like someting every man should own
[10:24] <jacobw> i'm increasingly convinced that only backing up home directories, conffiles that have changed and data like mysql dumps and Maildirs is good for most use cases
[10:24] <jacobw> ubuntu + overlay of stuff that makes it server X
[10:25] <mungojerry> unfortunately the enterprise has all sorts of apps that are complex
[10:25] <mungojerry> virtualisation makes restoration of service a million times easier now though
[10:26] <mungojerry> and consultations have tendency to only recommend windows, and PHBs have tendency to do what highly paid 3rd parties tend to recommend
[10:27] <gord> i've started developing in a VM recently, its so much nicer to go, oops. shouldn't of upgraded, everythings broke. restore snapshot!
[10:27] <davmor2> gord: christel needs to annoy you
[10:28] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:28] <gord> then i'm closed for business! no more customers today
[10:29] <christel> oh i cant remember what i wanted you for
[10:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude, steak minus 8hours  and counting
[10:29] <gord> fantastic
[10:29] <christel> oh sweets.. davmor2 said you had to tell me about some Amazing Japanese Sweets
[10:29] <mungojerry> japanese colleague brought amazing sweets. found out they were sweets but dried white bait UGHGH
[10:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: we shall see. I had steak at the weekend. Don't know if WS's one will live up to the high standard
[10:30] <gord> christel, http://gordallott.com/+ i share them on my google + thing every two weeks, have a service that sends me japanese candy twice a month :)
[10:30] <bigcalm> christel: gord likes to eat the most disgusting things. I'll swallow almost anything, but not what he has to offer...
[10:30] <ali1234> o_O
[10:31] <bigcalm> Please don't read bad things into that statement!
[10:31] <mungojerry> ^-^
[10:31] <gord> the sweet potato candy i got last time was delish
[10:31] <christel> sweet potato candy.. fantastic
[10:31] <christel> bigcalm: :o
[10:31] <christel> bigcalm: what were these ones he made you guys try? :)
[10:31] <mungojerry> ali1234, the dd direct to usb didn't work :(
[10:32] <davmor2> christel: That's why I said annoy gord,  I'm pretty sure it was sour pear something or other
[10:32] <bigcalm> christel: a question for gord
[10:33] <christel> gord: is it like Surprise stuff or do you select preferences or something? :)
[10:33] <bigcalm> That 'sweet' was one hell of a surprise
[10:34]  * mungojerry wants sweets now
[10:34] <gord> it was umboshi candy, umboshi is a pickled plum dish that japanese people love but its an aquired taste that i think is fun to surprise people with
[10:34] <mungojerry> eric the elephant mmm
[10:34] <ali1234> mungojerry: the ISO does have to be specially made to do it. ubuntu ISOs should work
[10:34] <ali1234> what ISO are you trying to use?
[10:34] <shauno>  I tried some recently that were licorice & chilli. that was .. confusing
[10:35] <gord> christel, its a surprise, basically the guy running it selects 2-3 candies and stuffs 400 envelopes with them and mails them out to people all over the world. he sends out really nice emails explaining what everything is i think the how it works on http://candyjapan.com explains it better than i ever could
[10:35] <mungojerry> ali1234, i used an elementaryOS nightly build. however since this is based off ubuntu i'm using the ubuntu startup disk creator now, whic
[10:36] <mungojerry> h should work i hope
[10:36] <christel> gord: ooh danke
[10:51] <mungojerry> elementary is looking really neat atm
[11:03] <bigcalm> Any body know of a good tut on writing init.d scripts?
[11:07] <jacobw> they're not that standardized
[11:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: for what system? Don't forget you have upstart and systemd now instead
[11:07] <bigcalm> Debian 6.0 (squeeze)
[11:08] <jacobw> they just respond to !$ and start/stop/restart the process with whatever mechanisms available
[11:08] <jacobw> Uh, $1 even
[11:08] <directhex> bigcalm, cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/myscript
[11:09] <bigcalm> directhex: ta
[11:09] <jacobw> upstart/systemd is much more logical, but upstart has some limitation and systemd isn't really implmented anywhere
[11:09] <directhex> bigcalm, nano /etc/init.d/myscript
[11:09] <bigcalm> directhex: latter part a bit patronising :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> "nano -w" ftw
[11:10] <directhex> i've been a professional linux systems manager for 8 years, and i use nano :D
[11:10] <ali1234> i once went to a job interview and they asked me "vi or emacs?"
[11:10] <ali1234> and i said "nano"
[11:10] <davmor2> directhex: that's cause nano rocks
[11:11] <bigcalm> directhex: sounds like you're introducing yourself at an AA meeting
[11:12] <davmor2> directhex: plus it sounds like an episode of mork and mindy when you say it twice :D
[11:13] <mungojerry> daubers, the 800-900MB/s was against how many disks?
[11:13] <mungojerry> ali1234, did you get the job?
[11:13] <daubers> mungojerry: 16
[11:13] <mungojerry> i grew up on solaris, so vi all the way
[11:13] <mungojerry> daubers, thanks
[11:14] <mungojerry> what's the SAN/NAS?
[11:15] <daubers> mungojerry: Something I designed/built :) Was a xeon based nas with an areca card in it
[11:16] <ali1234> mungojerry: no
[11:19] <gord> i grew up on a zx spectrum, so uh... zx basic interperator all the way?
[11:22] <davmor2> gord: I bet you are really glad that there is that spectrum emulator then :D
[11:22] <gord> wouldn't get any work done without it!
[11:30] <dutchie> daubers: happy birthday (if facebook isn't lying)
[11:31] <directhex> who would do that? just go on the internet and post lies?
[11:43] <daubers> dutchie: Ta
[11:43] <daubers> directhex: Everyone eva?
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> daubers: lies? what are those?
[11:47] <daubers> MartijnVdS: According to various governments, facts.
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> ah ok, that's good then
[11:49] <hoover> hi folks
[11:50] <davmor2> hey hoover
[11:50] <christel> happy daubers day \o/
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> is it daubers day?
[11:50]  * davmor2 congratulates daubers on making it another year
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> congratifications! :)
[11:51] <daubers> ta
[12:16]  * popey waves to hoover 
[12:34] <hoover> hey popey
[12:34] <hoover> thanks for your support mate ;-)
[12:34] <popey> np
[12:36] <hoover> I hope all goes well tonight. I would have expected 12.04 to work well on such a relatively recent machine, but who knows
[12:37] <hoover> one thing I noted is that the gpu fans run at full speed with the latest nvidia binaries, so I hope it's possible to downgrade to an earlier version
[12:38] <hoover> (unless the bug's been fixed in the newest drivers, of course)
[12:42] <mungojerry> hoover, what version of nvidia driver you on?
[12:43] <popey> chaps..
[12:43] <popey> Quadro NVS 290/PCI/SSE2 if someone has that card...
[12:44] <hoover> 195.xx ATM
[12:44] <popey> and they have the 173 nvidia binary driver..
[12:44] <hoover> 12.04.1 lts? ;-)
[12:47] <popey> hmmm
[12:49]  * bigcalm wibbles back into the office
[12:50] <mungojerry> i seem to have 304.43 nvidia driver version
[12:52] <hoover> yep I ended up with 195.xx by trial and error, seeing which one would not show the 100% fan speed problem
[12:52] <hoover> I think the newest one was 295.xx or thereabouts back then
[12:53] <mungojerry> hoover, which card you have?
[12:53] <diplo> popey: Is their a way to find out what package a meta? package installs like mail-server^ ?
[12:54] <mungojerry> i am using a PPA to get the newer one on 12.04
[12:58] <hoover> hey biggie
[12:58] <hoover> mungojerry: and 8800GT
[12:59] <bigcalm> Afternoon hoovie
[12:59] <mungojerry> hoover, 304.43 is supported for 8800gt http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-304.43-driver.html
[13:00] <hoover> mungojerry: thanks
[13:01] <mungojerry> as mentioned , i'm getting it from a PPA on 12.04, but it's been stable for me, and newer is generally better for nvidia drivers
[13:01] <hoover> I'd use the latest drivers if the fan problem has been fixed. I guess I'll find out tonight.
[13:08] <popey> diplo, section: metapackages
[13:09] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop | grep Section
[13:09] <popey> Section: metapackages
[13:09] <diplo> ta
[13:16] <Laney> apt-get install foo^ installs a task
[13:16] <Laney> tasksel --list-tasks
[13:19] <diplo> I just wanted to see what packages the task installed
[13:19] <diplo> Or whether I should just install manually
[13:20] <jussi> AlanBell: you about at the moment?
[13:23] <hoover> ok folks laters all
[13:26] <Goshawk> hi
[13:29] <Goshawk> I could use some help trying to sort out a problem with an external hd, can anyone help?
[13:29] <BigRedS> Goshawk: we wont know until you tell us what the problem is :)
[13:38] <Goshawk> ok, long story but basically i installed ubuntu on to an eternal hd by accident and i need the data that is on it. I ran a recovery program and can find all the data (mp3s etc) but i cant do anything with it because its locked, ubuntu is telling me i dont have permission to use it. So the question is how do i get ubuntu off the ex-hd without loosing all of the other stuff?
[13:39] <jacobw> run as root
[13:39] <BigRedS> just to be clear, the recovery program has made it such that you can see all these files in a normal file browser?
[13:39] <Goshawk> yes, but all the files have a padlock sign on them
[13:40] <_serial_> chown it
[13:40] <_serial_> them even
[13:40] <jacobw> run as root is less change :)
[13:41] <Goshawk> how do i do that?
[13:41] <jussi> jacobw: less change, more danger :P
[13:41] <_serial_> sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/files/*
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> ♫ I ain't afraid of no root!
[13:42] <jacobw> yes, you're right, it would be safer to chown them to be readable to your user only.
[13:42] <jussi> MartijnVdS: welcome to windows...
[13:43] <Goshawk> is there a way to just uninstall ubuntu from the hd?
[13:44] <_serial_> run gparted and remove the partition, you can do that from live cd/dvd/usb or install it on your system
[13:45] <_serial_> remember to backup though
[13:47] <BigRedS> that will delete everything in the partition, though
[13:47] <_serial_> does the task though?
[13:49] <jacobw> yes, but i think it would be much better to recover and verify the 'lost' data first
[13:49] <Goshawk> for sure
[13:50] <_serial_> true but i did say backup :)
[13:52] <jacobw> Ok, so find the path of one of the files that you can see in the file browser, and test using `chown youruser. /path/to/file` to make it accessible to your user
[13:54] <BigRedS> there's no way, given a volume with a Ubuntu install and some other stuff on it to simply remove allthe Ubuntu bits and leave the other stuff
[13:55] <BigRedS> That took forever to actually be sent...
[14:01] <Goshawk> ok, working on it now, thanks for the help
[14:44] <AlanBell> o/ jussi
[14:47] <davmor2> jussi: that's administrator though right
[14:58] <Goshawk> Can anyone tell how to change the root permissions?
[14:59] <diplo> chown user:user file
[14:59] <diplo> with sudo
[14:59] <diplo> so for me it would be : sudo chown andy: file.txt or something
[15:00] <diplo> if you don't add a second argument after the : it will use the same name for the group
[15:01] <Goshawk> awesome, thanks for that
[15:01] <diplo> If you want to do a directory and all it's file inside you can do sudo chown -R andy: dirname/
[15:02] <Goshawk> ah, ok cheers :)
[15:17] <bigcalm> Goshawk: that was for ownership, did you want to change permissions? Two different things
[15:19] <diplo> So it is, I got a bit mized up from above i think :/
[15:20] <Goshawk> im recovering lost data from an ex-hd and i just need to be able to move it around and rename the folder etc
[15:20] <diplo> Owning the files should be fine then
[15:21] <Goshawk> yeah, seems to be working
[15:23] <bigcalm> Goodo :) Best to check that's what you wanted though
[15:24] <diplo> Very much so
[15:25] <Goshawk> def
[16:05] <BigRedS> I've a mac with OSX and a Boot Camped Windows 7 on it. Is there a sane way to get Ubuntu in there?
[16:05] <BigRedS> where sane means I can give this back to the owner and never have to see it again :)
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> ask popey :)
[16:14] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: it's sane, and possible, you need to resize the disks, install refit, and when you install ubuntu, make sure you point the boot loader to the devier that has / on it
[16:14] <SuperMatt> look up mactel for more info
[16:15] <SuperMatt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[16:15] <SuperMatt> that's it!
[16:15] <SuperMatt> right there
[16:27] <BigRedS> aha, cheers SuperMatt!
[16:50]  * MartijnVdS plays with svg and javascript
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> it seems to be working :)
[16:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: must be broken then, nothing is meant to work right first time
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> well I've been trying all afternoon
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> and it only started to work an hour ago
[17:03] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: then you're doing it right keep up the good work :D
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I now have a map (downloaded from OSM as SVG), and put some (also SVG) icons on it
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> that I can blink red or green based on "fping" results
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> (getting closer to the Jurassic Park "park map" display! ;))
[17:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you really need help ;)
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you didn't say the magic word!
[17:09] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Don't worry I made a call, the men in white coats are on their way with a tight fitting jacket that fastens at the back just for you, they have a nice comfy padded room for you :D
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> oooh padded room!
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> I'll be safe from the velociraptors there
[17:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: well at least until the tear through the wall
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how I could make this more generic
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> the whole ping/map thing
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> all I need is some js, a small script that fpings the hosts and returns the result in json
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> (which I have now)
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> but adding new markers to the map is hardness :(
[17:52] <diplo> evening all
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> hi diplo
[17:57] <diplo> Right, finish work on web stuff.. come home onto a private web job
[17:57]  * diplo thought I'd stopped doing these things
[17:57] <diplo> :)
[18:00] <pinky-> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Quote
[18:01] <diplo> Ones work, others for a charity
[18:01] <diplo> So not sure how I feel :D
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> woo.. RIPE is down to its last v4 block
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> its last /10 even
[18:44] <marsilainen> hi all, anyone got any idea how long before 'ubuntu for android' will become available?
[18:44] <diplo> Hmm a start of a theme, learning it as I go along :D
[18:44] <diplo> http://pap.olpid.co.uk/
[18:45] <diplo> marsilainen: I believe it's still in testing/R&D faze, works on a Moto Atrix if you have one
[18:45] <diplo> afaik no dates set
[18:46] <marsilainen> ok, thanks, interesting
[20:20] <wol> d
[21:16] <brobostigon> good night everyone,sleep eell.
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/Ox5iN.jpeg
[21:28] <popey> hah MartijnVdS
[21:33] <popey> ali1234, drumoff needs friendly URLs turned on
[21:33] <popey> http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=8 is fugly
[21:34] <popey> http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=6 should be /rules
[21:34] <popey> http://drumoff.tv/?page_id=4 /about etc
[21:39] <Goshawk_> Anyone good with sound cards?
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[21:43] <Goshawk_> ok, how do i find out the make and model of the sound card? and where do i get the drivers?
[21:43] <stuphi> lspci?
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> Goshawk_: it should just work
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> Goshawk_: check /proc/asound/cards
[21:49] <Goshawk_> 'command not found'
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> Goshawk_: cat /proc/asound/cards
[21:50] <Goshawk_> nice, cheers for that