[00:50] <jrwren> rick_h_: i've gotten a lot out of your pyohio talk.  a couple of huge gems for me.
[00:50] <brousch> Yeah, it was another good rick_h_ talk
[00:51] <rick_h_> jrwren: ? cool
[00:55] <jrwren> lots of beginner stuf that I didn't know about or how to use properly. even just setup.py
[00:55] <jrwren> especially the setup.py develop command
[00:56] <rick_h_> ah yea, must have stuff for lib dev
[02:33] <rick_h_> jcastro: ping, you ever get with Dave in G+?
[02:45] <nixternal> rick_h_: any chance your pyohio talk is online somewhere? wouldn't mind watching it. i got a lot out of a vim talk you did years ago :)
[02:47] <Blazeix> nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNSIDCwJxAg
[02:49] <nixternal> rock on with your bad self. now if you just rick rolled me or carly rae jetson or whatever her name is, me....slick move :)
[02:50] <snap-l> nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5P7RsC9TI
[02:52] <nixternal> damn, his "I can haz software package" just blatently destroyed me :)
[02:57] <greg-g> "how many have documentation.... that's not the code" :)
[03:00] <nixternal> yeah, that was a favorite one there. though, i always have documentation
[03:01] <nixternal> rick_h_: make sucks! cmake ftw
[04:09] <greg-g> what's the best cross platform password manager? I want something I can leave instructions for Carrie to get access to.
[10:37] <rick_h_> nixternal: :P
[10:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: I've started to get Erica to use lastpass, though she's only using it in Chrome and on her phone so far
[10:46] <brousch> Geekers. I watched this PyOhio video this morning while exercising. Check out my comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2M2SquTHhc&feature=plcp
[10:49] <rick_h_> lol, awesome
[10:53] <rick_h_> Thanks for supporting Pebble on Kickstarter. It's time for you to tell us where
[10:53] <rick_h_> you live, and to select a color for your Pebble.
[10:53] <rick_h_> woot!!!!!!!
[11:17] <brousch> oooooh
[11:17] <brousch> That's the android watch, right?
[11:20] <snap-l> nice!
[11:27] <rick_h_> brousch: well the bluetooth that talks to android right
[11:27] <rick_h_> though it says I have until sept 30th to change my info so guess it's still at least a month out
[12:05] <snap-l> I am a developer. I make things work
[12:06] <snap-l> You expect to use whatever I build moments after it's completed, but that's OK, because I'm a developer, and I make things work
[12:06] <rick_h_> snap-l: :) kick its butt
[12:07] <snap-l> You wouldn't expect to drive on a road seconds after it's paved, but that's OK, because my bits are strong, and tested.
[12:07] <rick_h_> woot!
[12:08] <snap-l> (at least, that's what I wish were the case)
[12:22] <rick_h_> snap-l: awesome dilbert reference
[12:23] <brousch> I posted this to FB yesterday, but you haters can read it on Reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ze0z4/til_my_son_thinks_chicken_nuggets_are_made_by/
[12:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: Thanks. :)
[12:31] <rick_h_> brousch: nice
[13:21] <jrwren> greg-g: keepass?
[13:22] <jrwren> brousch: we've always been up front with the kid about where every bit of her food comes from.
[13:23] <jrwren> we would go to a farm or the zoo and I'd ask her if she would like to kill and eat those animals and explain to her that its how meat gets on her plate.
[13:23] <rick_h_> "umm, thank you george, you've got the best t-bones evar!"
[13:27] <shakes808> Good morning all
[13:33] <brousch> jrwren: I never really though about it. I've mentioned that meat is from animals, but I guess I wasn't specific enough on what "from" means
[13:34] <brousch> He was under the impression the animals give us meat, like as presents or something
[13:37] <jrwren> yeah, kids can't imagine killing something to eat it, unless they see it.
[13:47] <jjesse> we've told caleb where the food came from
[13:47] <jjesse> each time he eats meat we tell him
[13:47] <jjesse> for a while he didn't like the texture of it so he was a veggie eater
[13:48] <brousch> Yeah, George doesn't like unprocessed meat, like steak or chicken breast
[13:52] <jrwren> zomg, my kid is the opposite.
[13:52] <jrwren> she loves steak and chicken legs, but does not like hot dogs.
[13:52] <jjesse> well she's smart hot dogs are gross
[13:52] <jrwren> she does like sausage and bratwurst. those are less processed.
[13:52] <jrwren> oh yeah, she is wonderful.
[13:53] <jrwren> I go to restaurant with her and we order muscles as apetizer and we eat :)
[13:53] <jrwren> so fun diving into muscles with a 4 or 5 yr old.
[14:11] <brousch> Do you mean muscles as in what meat is made from, or mussels as in slimy seafood?
[14:22] <jrwren> i mean the molusk which grows in the sea.  so I meant mussels not muscles
[14:22] <jrwren> if you ate 'em slimy, you got 'em wrong.
[14:22] <jrwren> try 'em again, they are delicious.
[14:28] <brousch> I think you're saying that because you will get your jollies thinking of me eating a glob of snot
[14:30] <snap-l> Mussels are good, but they have to be prepared right
[14:30] <snap-l> too long, they're superballs
[14:30] <snap-l> not enough, they're snotballs
[14:31] <snap-l> But damn, they're good.
[14:31] <jrwren> brousch: no way, because I love to eat them. I would wish you the joy that I have. What snap-l said.
[14:57] <brousch> rick_h_: Next GRPUG is Makefiles vs fabric
[14:57] <rick_h_> brousch: hah
[14:57] <rick_h_> that's easy
[14:58] <rick_h_> makefiles = app install, fabric = automating that setup/install across hosts
[14:58] <rick_h_> done
[14:58] <brousch> Oh great, now I need a whole new topic
[14:59] <rick_h_> well just don't tell them how it ends I guess
[15:10] <jrwren> exactly.
[15:10] <jrwren> i'm using both here too.
[15:18] <rick_h_> yea, they really are different uses. At least they're at their best at different uses
[15:18] <rick_h_> but you can always shoe-horn a screw driver into a crowbar and such
[15:18] <brousch> I think you'll need a grinder for that conversion
[15:18] <brousch> A shoehorn will have little effect on a crowbar
[15:21] <brousch> snap-l: You see this? http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/09/05/0512219/sprint-allows-lte-service-over-mobile-virtual-network
[15:22] <snap-l> Yeah, unfortunately I haven't been following it because my phone isn't LTE
[15:22] <snap-l> But it's nice to see Sprint cooperating
[15:23] <snap-l> I think that's going to be key for them
[15:26] <greg-g> brousch: Are you serious?! Are you crazy?! :)
[15:26] <jjesse> yes brousch is crazy
[15:26] <brousch> Yeah, it didn't help that I was cracking up laughing at the whole discussion
[15:26] <snap-l> which one?
[15:31] <brousch> snap-l: chicken nuggets
[15:31] <snap-l> ah
[15:31] <snap-l> Chik'n McDeadlets
[16:04] <PainBank> anyone tried the Livio Radio app?
[16:07] <snap-l> livio being... ?
[16:10] <PainBank> livioradio.com
[16:10] <PainBank> you might be interested in it snap-l... being a content producer
[16:12] <jrwren> looks like hardware, what is the app for?
[16:12] <PainBank> ios and android
[16:12] <snap-l> Yeah, it's not clear what this iis
[16:12] <PainBank> right, their web site is a bit vaguish
[16:12] <snap-l> if it's just hardware to play shit in my car, OK, I guess it's cool
[16:12] <snap-l> but if it's yet another music streaming service, then no thanks.
[16:13] <jrwren> "more than 45,000 stations" are you suggesting snap-l run a station?
[16:13] <PainBank> oh, yea, they sell hardware too
[16:13]  * snap-l already programs for one station
[16:13] <PainBank> if they pull that station... then...you can reference users to it.
[16:13] <snap-l> Looks like yet-another-shoutcast streamer
[16:14] <snap-l> like tune-in
[16:14] <snap-l> for those of us who don't have bluetooth or aux-in jacks
[16:14] <PainBank> collector
[16:14] <snap-l> the controller interface looks nice.
[16:14] <PainBank> they are local to us... Ferndale
[16:14] <snap-l> but that's about the only thing that looks interesting about it
[16:15] <snap-l> Cool. I can thonk them on the heads them
[16:15] <snap-l> then
[16:15] <PainBank> hehe
[16:15] <snap-l> It's an FM transmitter w/ Bluetooth in a Bluetooth-direct world
[16:16] <snap-l> And having to run their app? No thanks.
[16:16] <snap-l> I already have BT in my VW, and an Aux-in cable on my Caliber.
[16:17] <PainBank> there ya go
[16:17] <snap-l> And my Squeezebox handles the rest
[16:17] <snap-l> Had they released this in 2010, I'd be all over it
[16:17] <snap-l> It's too late for this
[16:18] <jrwren> exactly, too late.
[16:18] <jrwren> even 2010 is too late for most.
[16:18] <jrwren> this was a hot product in '07 or 08
[16:18] <PainBank> alrighty
[16:19] <PainBank> thanks for the thoughts.
[16:19] <jrwren> i replaced my car audio head unit in my 10 yr old car, it has USB, charges my phone while i drive, direct audio control, its great.
[16:19] <snap-l> PainBank: This would be awesome for the rental-car market
[16:19] <PainBank> hmm...
[16:19] <PainBank> perhpas
[16:20] <snap-l> but I haven't touched a FM transmitter in a year
[16:20] <snap-l> and used a cassette adapter on a car that didn't have BT or Aux IN
[16:20] <jrwren> fm transmiters suck, I've never seen one work very well.
[16:20] <PainBank> but having aux in still requires manipulation of the phone... which is one of the items the hardware tries to solve
[16:21] <snap-l> What's the price on the hardware?
[16:21] <snap-l> $50? $100?
[16:21] <PainBank> jrwren: I have only used one, which had switches for setting the channel and yes, it sucked.  don't know how thiers works
[16:21] <jrwren> new head units don't use aux in, they use USB and control ipod and android
[16:21] <snap-l> If it's under $50, it's remarkable
[16:21] <PainBank> I think like $100
[16:21] <snap-l> if it's over $100, it's dead.
[16:21] <PainBank> haven't priced it
[16:21] <PainBank> that is just one of their products.
[16:21] <jrwren> only a nutter would pay $100, when you can get a whole new car head unit for $150 and a great one for a little more.
[16:21] <PainBank> they have a radio that does it...
[16:22] <snap-l> PainBank: Yeah, they rebranded a Gracenote radio
[16:22] <snap-l> whoopdie-freaking doo
[16:22] <PainBank> prob like the squeezebox, but i haven't used one of those either
[16:22]  * PainBank blankly stares off in to space having never used a Gracenote radio...
[16:23] <rick_h_> #$@#$ hate them
[16:23] <snap-l> PainBank: Squeezebox is awesome. I wrote a column for Linux Journal about it
[16:23] <PainBank> haha
[16:23] <rick_h_> if gracenote == grace audio that is
[16:23] <PainBank> I know, I saw a post of yours about it sometime ago
[16:23] <jrwren> squeezebox is AWESOME. I'm listening on squeeze slave RIGHT NOW
[16:23] <snap-l> http://www.livioradio.com/pandora-radio-by-livio/
[16:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[16:24] <rick_h_> yea, seems similar
[16:24] <jrwren> $200
[16:24] <PainBank> yup, expensive
[16:24] <rick_h_> all these net radios are
[16:24] <jrwren> i seriously don't get it.
[16:24] <rick_h_> and no google music :(
[16:25] <jrwren> for $200, I could get a $129 ipod touch and a "radio" dock. Guess which one is more powerful?
[16:25] <jrwren> these companies are nuts, I feel bad for teir investors.
[16:25] <PainBank> the google phone
[16:27] <rick_h_> snap-l: https://twitter.com/rickasaurus/status/243383714908889090
[16:27] <snap-l> rick_h_: Heh
[16:29] <jrwren> hrm, that is a strange dilber.
[16:33] <greg-g> yeah, didn't seem funny to me
[16:33] <greg-g> of course, dilbert hasn't for years
[16:33] <rick_h_> oh come on, that's funny :P
[16:39] <snap-l> Philistines.
[17:32] <brousch> My kid would gladly burn his Thomas lunch boxes for this http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f0b5/?cpg=gplus
[17:37] <jrwren> it may as well be jar jar binks.
[17:54] <rick_h_> heh, so greg-g better get a bookie android app before I ever do an iApp :)
[17:56] <jrwren> is it weird that i prefer "".format() to % in python?
[17:57] <jrwren> what would a bookie android app do?
[17:57] <jrwren> let you retag? browse by tag and date?
[17:57] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, .format is the preferred
[17:57] <rick_h_> but it'll fail 2.6 and lower if I recall
[17:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: a bookie android app would 1) Provide an intent to store urls from twitter/googlereader/etc to bookie
[17:58] <rick_h_> 2) Provide the ability to see the list of bookmarks, search, and read the readable content of bookmarks from the web app
[17:58] <rick_h_> 3) WHen I get the readable view, provide the read-it-later process to pull up your mobile device and read the parsed content of the articles marked !toread
[18:00] <greg-g> rick_h_: you better :)
[18:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: :P
[18:00] <rick_h_> I've still got to see about that hook up for newsblur -> bookie
[18:01] <rick_h_> I have to say, I'm jealous of how far he's gone with that
[18:03] <jrwren> shit, i'm targetting 2.6 on this. I hope format works.
[18:03] <rick_h_> http://docs.python.org/library/string.html#string-formatting
[18:03] <rick_h_> yea, sorry I was off. Added in 2.6
[18:04] <jrwren> yeah, i just confirmed
[18:04] <jrwren> you scared me for a sec
[18:04] <rick_h_> yea, sometimes that stuff in 2.5/6/7 blurs a little bit
[18:05] <brousch> rick_h_: Yeah, I hit a problem with that early on trying to run Bookie on Dreamhost. They only had 2.5 at the time
[18:05] <brousch> I should try again now that 2.6 is available on some servers
[18:05] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I'd hit it once in a while on older systems since the prev ubuntu LTS was 2.5 and RH stuff was 2.4/5
[18:13] <jrwren> suddenly i'm more content to be on 2.6
[18:15] <rick_h_> 2.7 ftw, argparse, ordereddict, dict/set comprehensions
[18:16] <jrwren> dict comprehensions?
[18:16] <jrwren> for k,p in dict doesn't work in 2.6?
[18:16] <jrwren> oh wait... nevermind, I remember what you mean.
[18:17] <rick_h_> {x: x*x for x in range(6)}
[18:17] <rick_h_> {0: 0, 1: 1, 2: 4, 3: 9, 4: 16, 5: 25}
[18:17] <rick_h_> generate a dict straight from a comprehension
[18:17] <rick_h_> vs dict([(k, v) for x, x*x in range(6)])
[18:18] <rick_h_> LTE users check their phone twice as often than 3G users. 39/day vs 63/per
[18:18] <rick_h_> interesting quote ^
[18:19] <brousch> Those bastards. They should pay twice as much!
[18:19] <rick_h_> :P
[18:37] <rick_h_> grrr, promising jelly bean to new moto phones...where's my jelly bean on my nexus dammit!
[18:40] <brousch> I thought you have had it since the beginning
[18:40] <rick_h_> no, that was 4.0, not 4.1 which came out in the N7/Google IO
[18:41] <brousch> Be happy you have 4
[18:41] <rick_h_> no, I refuse :P
[18:41] <brousch> I'm still all on 2.3
[18:42] <rick_h_> Blazeix: did you root to something with jellybean? I might start looking at that path
[18:42] <Blazeix> rick_h_: yeah, in the xda forums there are a bunch of jellybean-based roms
[18:42] <Blazeix> i chose one that seemed somewhat legit and flashed it
[18:44] <Blazeix> i've been meaning to try out AOKP, since that has a jellybean release now
[18:44] <Blazeix> i was using that pre-jellybean and liked it
[18:44] <rick_h_> yea, might have to check that out
[20:32] <brousch> jrwren: Wait, what, doll house furniture?
[20:32] <brousch> I must see this
[20:48] <snap-l> brousch: You ever been to Frankenmuth?
[20:48] <brousch> I have not
[20:48] <snap-l> Rau's Country Shop has a TON of dollhouse stuff
[20:49] <snap-l> Worth the day-trip
[20:49] <brousch> I just wanted to see jrwren's stuff
[21:39] <jrwren> brousch: i don't do it. i was just making suggestions. That one was inspired by The Wire
[22:05] <brousch> jrwren: Bah, now I'm disappointed
[22:16] <brousch> I had visions of you painstakingly carving cute little chairs and tea tables for your little girl, then painting them pink with little yellow flowers.
[22:43] <brousch> How do you verify that something like this is legit? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGlJRjhnZlJ1Q2VzZVF1N3hQenQ4X1E6MQ#gid=0
[22:49] <snap-l> brousch: I have no idea
[23:49] <shakes808> Check
[23:53] <rick_h_> dsschnau: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/772/ for select, but what insert are you looking to do?
[23:56] <rick_h_> dsschnau: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/773/