[00:50] rick_h_: i've gotten a lot out of your pyohio talk. a couple of huge gems for me. [00:50] Yeah, it was another good rick_h_ talk [00:51] jrwren: ? cool [00:55] lots of beginner stuf that I didn't know about or how to use properly. even just setup.py [00:55] especially the setup.py develop command [00:56] ah yea, must have stuff for lib dev [02:33] jcastro: ping, you ever get with Dave in G+? [02:45] rick_h_: any chance your pyohio talk is online somewhere? wouldn't mind watching it. i got a lot out of a vim talk you did years ago :) [02:47] nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNSIDCwJxAg [02:49] rock on with your bad self. now if you just rick rolled me or carly rae jetson or whatever her name is, me....slick move :) [02:50] nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5P7RsC9TI [02:52] damn, his "I can haz software package" just blatently destroyed me :) [02:57] "how many have documentation.... that's not the code" :) [03:00] yeah, that was a favorite one there. though, i always have documentation [03:01] rick_h_: make sucks! cmake ftw [04:09] what's the best cross platform password manager? I want something I can leave instructions for Carrie to get access to. [10:37] nixternal: :P [10:37] greg-g: I've started to get Erica to use lastpass, though she's only using it in Chrome and on her phone so far [10:46] Geekers. I watched this PyOhio video this morning while exercising. Check out my comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2M2SquTHhc&feature=plcp [10:49] lol, awesome [10:53] Thanks for supporting Pebble on Kickstarter. It's time for you to tell us where [10:53] you live, and to select a color for your Pebble. [10:53] woot!!!!!!! [11:17] oooooh [11:17] That's the android watch, right? [11:20] nice! [11:27] brousch: well the bluetooth that talks to android right [11:27] though it says I have until sept 30th to change my info so guess it's still at least a month out [12:05] I am a developer. I make things work [12:06] You expect to use whatever I build moments after it's completed, but that's OK, because I'm a developer, and I make things work [12:06] snap-l: :) kick its butt [12:07] You wouldn't expect to drive on a road seconds after it's paved, but that's OK, because my bits are strong, and tested. [12:07] woot! [12:08] (at least, that's what I wish were the case) [12:22] snap-l: awesome dilbert reference [12:23] I posted this to FB yesterday, but you haters can read it on Reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ze0z4/til_my_son_thinks_chicken_nuggets_are_made_by/ [12:24] rick_h_: Thanks. :) [12:31] brousch: nice [13:21] greg-g: keepass? [13:22] brousch: we've always been up front with the kid about where every bit of her food comes from. [13:23] we would go to a farm or the zoo and I'd ask her if she would like to kill and eat those animals and explain to her that its how meat gets on her plate. [13:23] "umm, thank you george, you've got the best t-bones evar!" [13:27] Good morning all [13:33] jrwren: I never really though about it. I've mentioned that meat is from animals, but I guess I wasn't specific enough on what "from" means [13:34] He was under the impression the animals give us meat, like as presents or something [13:37] yeah, kids can't imagine killing something to eat it, unless they see it. [13:47] we've told caleb where the food came from [13:47] each time he eats meat we tell him [13:47] for a while he didn't like the texture of it so he was a veggie eater [13:48] Yeah, George doesn't like unprocessed meat, like steak or chicken breast [13:52] zomg, my kid is the opposite. [13:52] she loves steak and chicken legs, but does not like hot dogs. [13:52] well she's smart hot dogs are gross [13:52] she does like sausage and bratwurst. those are less processed. [13:52] oh yeah, she is wonderful. [13:53] I go to restaurant with her and we order muscles as apetizer and we eat :) [13:53] so fun diving into muscles with a 4 or 5 yr old. [14:11] Do you mean muscles as in what meat is made from, or mussels as in slimy seafood? [14:22] i mean the molusk which grows in the sea. so I meant mussels not muscles [14:22] if you ate 'em slimy, you got 'em wrong. [14:22] try 'em again, they are delicious. [14:28] I think you're saying that because you will get your jollies thinking of me eating a glob of snot [14:30] Mussels are good, but they have to be prepared right [14:30] too long, they're superballs [14:30] not enough, they're snotballs [14:31] But damn, they're good. [14:31] brousch: no way, because I love to eat them. I would wish you the joy that I have. What snap-l said. [14:57] rick_h_: Next GRPUG is Makefiles vs fabric [14:57] brousch: hah [14:57] that's easy [14:58] makefiles = app install, fabric = automating that setup/install across hosts [14:58] done [14:58] Oh great, now I need a whole new topic [14:59] well just don't tell them how it ends I guess [15:10] exactly. [15:10] i'm using both here too. [15:18] yea, they really are different uses. At least they're at their best at different uses [15:18] but you can always shoe-horn a screw driver into a crowbar and such [15:18] I think you'll need a grinder for that conversion [15:18] A shoehorn will have little effect on a crowbar [15:21] snap-l: You see this? http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/09/05/0512219/sprint-allows-lte-service-over-mobile-virtual-network [15:22] Yeah, unfortunately I haven't been following it because my phone isn't LTE [15:22] But it's nice to see Sprint cooperating [15:23] I think that's going to be key for them [15:26] brousch: Are you serious?! Are you crazy?! :) [15:26] yes brousch is crazy [15:26] Yeah, it didn't help that I was cracking up laughing at the whole discussion [15:26] which one? [15:31] snap-l: chicken nuggets [15:31] ah [15:31] Chik'n McDeadlets [16:04] anyone tried the Livio Radio app? [16:07] livio being... ? [16:10] livioradio.com [16:10] you might be interested in it snap-l... being a content producer [16:12] looks like hardware, what is the app for? [16:12] ios and android [16:12] Yeah, it's not clear what this iis [16:12] right, their web site is a bit vaguish [16:12] if it's just hardware to play shit in my car, OK, I guess it's cool [16:12] but if it's yet another music streaming service, then no thanks. [16:13] "more than 45,000 stations" are you suggesting snap-l run a station? [16:13] oh, yea, they sell hardware too [16:13] * snap-l already programs for one station [16:13] if they pull that station... then...you can reference users to it. [16:13] Looks like yet-another-shoutcast streamer [16:14] like tune-in [16:14] for those of us who don't have bluetooth or aux-in jacks [16:14] collector [16:14] the controller interface looks nice. [16:14] they are local to us... Ferndale [16:14] but that's about the only thing that looks interesting about it [16:15] Cool. I can thonk them on the heads them [16:15] then [16:15] hehe [16:15] It's an FM transmitter w/ Bluetooth in a Bluetooth-direct world [16:16] And having to run their app? No thanks. [16:16] I already have BT in my VW, and an Aux-in cable on my Caliber. [16:17] there ya go [16:17] And my Squeezebox handles the rest [16:17] Had they released this in 2010, I'd be all over it [16:17] It's too late for this [16:18] exactly, too late. [16:18] even 2010 is too late for most. [16:18] this was a hot product in '07 or 08 [16:18] alrighty [16:19] thanks for the thoughts. [16:19] i replaced my car audio head unit in my 10 yr old car, it has USB, charges my phone while i drive, direct audio control, its great. [16:19] PainBank: This would be awesome for the rental-car market [16:19] hmm... [16:19] perhpas [16:20] but I haven't touched a FM transmitter in a year [16:20] and used a cassette adapter on a car that didn't have BT or Aux IN [16:20] fm transmiters suck, I've never seen one work very well. [16:20] but having aux in still requires manipulation of the phone... which is one of the items the hardware tries to solve [16:21] What's the price on the hardware? [16:21] $50? $100? [16:21] jrwren: I have only used one, which had switches for setting the channel and yes, it sucked. don't know how thiers works [16:21] new head units don't use aux in, they use USB and control ipod and android [16:21] If it's under $50, it's remarkable [16:21] I think like $100 [16:21] if it's over $100, it's dead. [16:21] haven't priced it [16:21] that is just one of their products. [16:21] only a nutter would pay $100, when you can get a whole new car head unit for $150 and a great one for a little more. [16:21] they have a radio that does it... [16:22] PainBank: Yeah, they rebranded a Gracenote radio [16:22] whoopdie-freaking doo [16:22] prob like the squeezebox, but i haven't used one of those either [16:22] * PainBank blankly stares off in to space having never used a Gracenote radio... [16:23] #$@#$ hate them [16:23] PainBank: Squeezebox is awesome. I wrote a column for Linux Journal about it [16:23] haha [16:23] if gracenote == grace audio that is [16:23] I know, I saw a post of yours about it sometime ago [16:23] squeezebox is AWESOME. I'm listening on squeeze slave RIGHT NOW [16:23] http://www.livioradio.com/pandora-radio-by-livio/ [16:23] rick_h_: ^^ [16:24] yea, seems similar [16:24] $200 [16:24] yup, expensive [16:24] all these net radios are [16:24] i seriously don't get it. [16:24] and no google music :( [16:25] for $200, I could get a $129 ipod touch and a "radio" dock. Guess which one is more powerful? [16:25] these companies are nuts, I feel bad for teir investors. [16:25] the google phone [16:27] snap-l: https://twitter.com/rickasaurus/status/243383714908889090 [16:27] rick_h_: Heh [16:29] hrm, that is a strange dilber. [16:33] yeah, didn't seem funny to me [16:33] of course, dilbert hasn't for years [16:33] oh come on, that's funny :P [16:39] Philistines. [17:32] My kid would gladly burn his Thomas lunch boxes for this http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f0b5/?cpg=gplus [17:37] it may as well be jar jar binks. [17:54] heh, so greg-g better get a bookie android app before I ever do an iApp :) [17:56] is it weird that i prefer "".format() to % in python? [17:57] what would a bookie android app do? [17:57] let you retag? browse by tag and date? [17:57] jrwren: no, .format is the preferred [17:57] but it'll fail 2.6 and lower if I recall [17:58] jrwren: a bookie android app would 1) Provide an intent to store urls from twitter/googlereader/etc to bookie [17:58] 2) Provide the ability to see the list of bookmarks, search, and read the readable content of bookmarks from the web app [17:58] 3) WHen I get the readable view, provide the read-it-later process to pull up your mobile device and read the parsed content of the articles marked !toread [18:00] rick_h_: you better :) [18:00] greg-g: :P [18:00] I've still got to see about that hook up for newsblur -> bookie [18:01] I have to say, I'm jealous of how far he's gone with that [18:03] shit, i'm targetting 2.6 on this. I hope format works. [18:03] http://docs.python.org/library/string.html#string-formatting [18:03] yea, sorry I was off. Added in 2.6 [18:04] yeah, i just confirmed [18:04] you scared me for a sec [18:04] yea, sometimes that stuff in 2.5/6/7 blurs a little bit [18:05] rick_h_: Yeah, I hit a problem with that early on trying to run Bookie on Dreamhost. They only had 2.5 at the time [18:05] I should try again now that 2.6 is available on some servers [18:05] brousch: yea, I'd hit it once in a while on older systems since the prev ubuntu LTS was 2.5 and RH stuff was 2.4/5 [18:13] suddenly i'm more content to be on 2.6 [18:15] 2.7 ftw, argparse, ordereddict, dict/set comprehensions [18:16] dict comprehensions? [18:16] for k,p in dict doesn't work in 2.6? [18:16] oh wait... nevermind, I remember what you mean. [18:17] {x: x*x for x in range(6)} [18:17] {0: 0, 1: 1, 2: 4, 3: 9, 4: 16, 5: 25} [18:17] generate a dict straight from a comprehension [18:17] vs dict([(k, v) for x, x*x in range(6)]) [18:18] LTE users check their phone twice as often than 3G users. 39/day vs 63/per [18:18] interesting quote ^ [18:19] Those bastards. They should pay twice as much! [18:19] :P [18:37] grrr, promising jelly bean to new moto phones...where's my jelly bean on my nexus dammit! [18:40] I thought you have had it since the beginning [18:40] no, that was 4.0, not 4.1 which came out in the N7/Google IO [18:41] Be happy you have 4 [18:41] no, I refuse :P [18:41] I'm still all on 2.3 [18:42] Blazeix: did you root to something with jellybean? I might start looking at that path [18:42] rick_h_: yeah, in the xda forums there are a bunch of jellybean-based roms [18:42] i chose one that seemed somewhat legit and flashed it [18:44] i've been meaning to try out AOKP, since that has a jellybean release now [18:44] i was using that pre-jellybean and liked it [18:44] yea, might have to check that out [20:32] jrwren: Wait, what, doll house furniture? [20:32] I must see this [20:48] brousch: You ever been to Frankenmuth? [20:48] I have not [20:48] Rau's Country Shop has a TON of dollhouse stuff [20:49] Worth the day-trip [20:49] I just wanted to see jrwren's stuff [21:39] brousch: i don't do it. i was just making suggestions. That one was inspired by The Wire [22:05] jrwren: Bah, now I'm disappointed [22:16] I had visions of you painstakingly carving cute little chairs and tea tables for your little girl, then painting them pink with little yellow flowers. [22:43] How do you verify that something like this is legit? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGlJRjhnZlJ1Q2VzZVF1N3hQenQ4X1E6MQ#gid=0 [22:49] brousch: I have no idea [23:49] Check [23:53] dsschnau: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/772/ for select, but what insert are you looking to do? [23:56] dsschnau: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/773/