| len-dt | It looks like we are getting a new ISO roll just now. | 02:39 |
|---|---|---|
| len-dt | New ISOs for testing are available. Anyone who has some idea of why or how we get double removable device icons and how we can fix it :) | 03:01 |
| len-dt | The other known problem is that most photography and publishing apps are missing. | 03:03 |
| ailo | len-dt: Perhaps both Nautilus and Thinar working at the same time? | 03:04 |
| len-dt | However, it should install from boot or from live | 03:04 |
| len-dt | ailo, could be... but doesn't make sense. I will have to look closely at the ps x output... | 03:05 |
| len-dt | The last of our performance tweaks for now are in... | 03:05 |
| smartboyhw | \o len-dt ailo-w falktx | 07:51 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm strange I got a VERT FAST connection today:) | 07:52 |
| smartboyhw | Bug 1046206 help! | 08:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046206 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio ubiquity 12.10 lost the whole background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046206 | 08:49 |
| smartboyhw | Hello scott-work | 11:57 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work: I do wonder: What is the kernel team? Can I join? | 11:57 |
| scott-work | good morning smartboyhw | 11:57 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: the kernel team is to help with the maintenance of the lowlatency kernel | 11:58 |
| scott-work | while i admire your enthusiasm, joining teams is not a competitive activity, there are purposes for teams | 11:58 |
| smartboyhw | HAHAHA | 11:58 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work: I tested the new build (due to sudden boost in network speed) | 11:59 |
| scott-work | i am presuming that len's fix worked for the installation | 11:59 |
| smartboyhw | Yes it did | 11:59 |
| smartboyhw | BUt then... | 11:59 |
| smartboyhw | Bug 1046206 | 11:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046206 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio ubiquity 12.10 lost the whole background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046206 | 11:59 |
| smartboyhw | scott-woork: That's a Xubuntu problem i THINK | 12:02 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, | 12:02 |
| smartboyhw | So? | 12:02 |
| knome | "xubuntu problem" | 12:06 |
| knome | it's possibly a problem on how ubiquity launches xfce, not a xubuntu problem | 12:07 |
| smartboyhw | knome: OK then, THanks | 12:23 |
| smartboyhw | Hi ailo-w | 12:23 |
| smartboyhw | ailo-w: I do wanna ask: How to compile a quantal lowlatency kernel using Ubuntu kernel git? | 12:24 |
| knome | smartboyhw, that's what happends when you try to joing too many teams and follow too many things | 12:24 |
| knome | -d | 12:24 |
| smartboyhw | Not joining team, just a hobby:) | 12:24 |
| knome | smartboyhw, i was referring to the bug before. | 12:26 |
| smartboyhw | knome: Why? I tested the Ubuntu Studio build and got the bug | 12:26 |
| knome | smartboyhw, yes, but you referred to it as "xubuntu bug" | 12:26 |
| smartboyhw | I think it is | 12:27 |
| knome | how can it be a xubuntu bug if it appears in ubuntu studio? | 12:27 |
| smartboyhw | Er, I think if Ubuntu Studio can't launch it then Xubuntu can't also | 12:27 |
| knome | you should check xubuntu then | 12:28 |
| smartboyhw | Well OK | 12:28 |
| smartboyhw | knome: Sorry, my internet is slow again, so no testing | 12:33 |
| smartboyhw | For xubuntu | 12:33 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: There's a lot of docs here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/ | 12:54 |
| ailo-w | Some of it outdated | 12:55 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: You might want to read some docs about git as well | 12:55 |
| smartboyhw | Well alright, I don't see it I think, or at least people recommend to use vanilla kernel I wanna use ubuntu kernel | 12:55 |
| smartboyhw | I've done some cloning in git, don't worry | 12:55 |
| smartboyhw | Also upload | 12:55 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: This is probably the lowlatency source for quantal git://kernel.ubuntu.com/apw/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency.git | 12:58 |
| smartboyhw | Thanks ailo | 12:58 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: There's more to git than just cloning | 12:59 |
| smartboyhw | I know I did push and pulls to | 12:59 |
| smartboyhw | *too | 12:59 |
| smartboyhw | I did develop software you know:) | 12:59 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: Then you must know everything ;) | 13:01 |
| smartboyhw | Sure, I do AI software LOL that's how I got my cloak | 13:01 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw when you install did you do so from the boot screen? | 13:15 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Yes | 13:15 |
| len-dt | There is no background. | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Yes | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw | ailo-w: HELP I don't know how to build it | 13:16 |
| len-dt | That is not really a bug, just kind of ugly | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw | fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic? | 13:16 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: It DOES have one before | 13:17 |
| len-dt | didn't in 11.10 or 12.04 as I recall | 13:17 |
| smartboyhw | At least I have a background... | 13:18 |
| len-dt | Well ya I have one too.... it's getting to be too long :P | 13:18 |
| smartboyhw | !? | 13:18 |
| len-dt | another way of saying I'm getting old... | 13:20 |
| smartboyhw | ailo-w: I don't really know how to build the kernel | 13:20 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: OK, you're old, I'm young:) | 13:21 |
| len-dt | young whipper snapper | 13:21 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Thanks for the comment:( | 13:22 |
| len-dt | Is all in jest... I started playing in bands about your age | 13:22 |
| len-dt | in 1974 as a drummer | 13:23 |
| smartboyhw | Oh alright, I only know how to study:( Hong Kong is full of education pressure:( | 13:23 |
| len-dt | asia in general is like that. most of my work life I worked with asians. mostly from china, but also HK and Brunei (not shure of the spelling) | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | Correct on the spelling | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: You don't understand Hong Kong students | 13:25 |
| len-dt | Vancouver has a lot of asian people | 13:26 |
| len-dt | In my sons school there were a number of asian students who where not only A students but had 100% score in _everything_ | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: It is normally true | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | But then I don't get 100%, only once per year, I get maybe like above 90% | 13:27 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: morning! | 13:51 |
| smartboyhw | morning holstein | 13:51 |
| smartboyhw | night actually | 13:51 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: someone might have already asked, but when you send out the "please test" emails, could you link the QA testing info? | 13:52 |
| smartboyhw | !? | 13:52 |
| smartboyhw | What info? | 13:52 |
| holstein | thats the only way it gets "officially" recorded and counts towards our releases | 13:52 |
| smartboyhw | holstein: What do you mean | 13:52 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i mean, we need a certain amount of tests | 13:53 |
| holstein | test cases | 13:53 |
| holstein | officially recorded | 13:53 |
| holstein | and when you ask for testers, you could just link that as well.. then we can "get credit for it" | 13:53 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: Try binary-lowlatency | 13:53 |
| smartboyhw | Doesn't work ailo-w | 13:54 |
| ailo-w | I usually do another build method | 13:54 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i think these are the current ones, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | Yes there ARE testcases there already | 13:54 |
| holstein | though i always suggest checkin the IRC so they dont waste time on an old build that the test will be invalid | 13:54 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: correct.. so, if you can link those in the email | 13:55 |
| smartboyhw | Alright then holstein | 13:55 |
| holstein | i would probably link them http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 13:56 |
| smartboyhw | I did have the link there | 13:56 |
| ailo-w | smartboyhw: Try this | 13:56 |
| ailo-w | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency | 13:56 |
| ailo-w | Skip to the part where it says make oldconfig | 13:56 |
| ailo-w | Just be sure to copy a config file to the root directory first | 13:56 |
| smartboyhw | OK | 13:57 |
| ailo-w | You can find the current one at /boot/config-* (the one you want to use) | 13:57 |
| ailo-w | Time to go.. | 13:57 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i see what is confusing | 14:00 |
| smartboyhw | holstein: ? | 14:00 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: the iso should be downloaded from where you get linked from the QA site | 14:00 |
| smartboyhw | Well alright | 14:00 |
| holstein | its not just any iso.. its got to be the one in the QA report | 14:00 |
| smartboyhw | OK OK OK | 14:01 |
| holstein | no worries.. i appreciate the shout out! | 14:01 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: yeah, thats more clear i think | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | Ok thanks | 14:04 |
| holstein | thanks for sending the add-on | 14:04 |
| holstein | otherwise, they might just download it and test it | 14:04 |
| holstein | which is fine.. but we dont get "credit" | 14:04 |
| holstein | if testing is happening, it might as well help us for the release | 14:05 |
| smartboyhw | OK holstein, I have a testing meeting to attend, ping you later | 14:05 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: enjoy! | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | :) | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | Yo ailo, thanks, building the kernel now:) | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Still here? | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | holstein: Mind testing the ISO Images for Beta 1? | 14:21 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: i dont mind, but i wont have time today | 14:21 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: im out, and i wont be home til late | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | holstein: Tmr is the deadline | 14:22 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: yup... i wont be around a machine i can do that on though unfortunately | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | ... | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | ailo: Can you help them? | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | *then | 14:22 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: Installing on VirtualBox is not the best way to test images | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | ailo: I do now, sadly I only have 1 computer | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | I'm 14 don't forget | 14:28 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: The reason why I'm telling you is to inform you | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | ailo: ? | 14:29 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: Being 14 means you are very touchy every time someone informs you of something | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | Yes I am | 14:30 |
| holstein | yeah... its just a "heads up" | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | But then what's the problem with virtualbox? | 14:30 |
| holstein | the higher-ups like to see tests on metal | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | I know, I can't | 14:30 |
| holstein | the problem is, compatibility.... and real world application | 14:30 |
| holstein | i have emulated the 64bit in 32bit Vbox though | 14:30 |
| ailo | Some things might not be supported on VirtualBox. Also, you may be able to install on VB, but not on your machine | 14:30 |
| holstein | i have both test machines now | 14:30 |
| holstein | so i can do actual metal tests | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | I can't stand testing maybe a fail image on my real notebook you know | 14:31 |
| holstein | i used to have a test hard drive | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | Ah I suddenly think of something: Stupid me | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | I can put it on a USB drive! | 14:32 |
| holstein | i used to actually just unplug the hard drive in my production box.. but you can install to USB and just be cautious of where grub goes | 14:32 |
| ailo | Happens sometimes. Easily fixed with grub-install | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | Back from meeting | 14:34 |
| ailo | I'm downloading both images, but might not have time to install both | 14:37 |
| smartboyhw | ailo: Test the 32-bit:) | 14:38 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, holstein, ailo: Why did the guys confused up that Ubuntu Studio is LTS->LTS? | 15:05 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: i do not understand the question | 15:16 |
| smartboyhw | xnox said that Ubuntu Studio goes from LTS (12.04) to 14.04 | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | When I said no, then he said that he confused it with Mythbuntu | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | !? | 15:17 |
| micahg | yeah, Mythbuntu is LTS only | 15:20 |
| smartboyhw | Not us right? | 15:20 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: if we were LTS -> LTS only then you would not be testing 12.10, no? | 15:34 |
| len-dt | Missed. I wanted to ask smartboyhw if he had any scrollbars on the slide show. I haven't seen them for a long time now on my tests. | 15:53 |
| len-dt | scott-work, 32 bit ISO is tested. I would suggest the bugs mentioned in 64bit testing would apply to 32 bit ISO and vise-versa | 16:13 |
| knome | len-dt, they're talking about respins ;) | 16:16 |
| scott-work | heh, knome beat me to it | 16:16 |
| scott-work | :P | 16:16 |
| scott-work | len-dt: do you feel that another respin is required at this point for testing purposes? | 16:17 |
| len-dt | Thats ok. At least we know our bug is fixed and we can install | 16:17 |
| len-dt | Any respin would be to test things added upstream. | 16:17 |
| scott-work | okay, then i will tell skaet that we do not need a respin then | 16:18 |
| len-dt | The bugs I see are not "urgent" and will not get fixed for beta1 anyway. | 16:20 |
| len-dt | scott-work, with regard to the background bug while installing. I wonder if there is a way to "blank" the background before starting ubiquity rather than running a program make a background... | 16:22 |
| scott-work | len-dt: hmmmm, i do not know about hat at all | 16:37 |
| scott-work | s/hat/that | 16:38 |
| len-dt | I am not sure if there is a -live-meta or not | 16:38 |
| len-dt | or if this could be done from -live-settings | 16:38 |
| len-dt | I think blanking could be done from a command line | 16:39 |
| len-dt | scott-work, I haven't seen slide show scrollbars for a long time so I have marked it off as done on the blue prints. | 16:41 |
| len-dt | scott-work, Re: GUI for color stuff. Gnome-control-center does this for vanilla. I have tried adding that app, but the color part still doesn't work. Talking to a photographer who has use the gnome-color-manager, he says that when the colorimeter is plugged in the GUI shows up by itself. | 16:45 |
| len-dt | It looks like the gnome-control-center color capplet is just a container for the various gnome-color-manager functions. | 16:46 |
| len-dt | I think I will add the raw gnome-color-manager applets to the xfce settings manager with tool tips to help explain when their use would be appropriate | 16:47 |
| len-dt | I will do this by making US desktop files... | 16:49 |
| len-dt | If I had a colorimeter (few hundreds dollars to buy, $20 a day to rent) I could probably make a standalone container that would work with xfce-settings-manager | 16:51 |
| scott-work | len-dt: i think that is a good bet for the slide show work tast | 18:00 |
| scott-work | len-dt: i wish i could offer some constructive advise for the color/gnome-control stuff | 18:00 |
| knome | hmm | 18:05 |
| len-dt | knome, ? you have a comment? | 18:05 |
| knome | wondering about bug #719338 | 18:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 719338 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Xubuntu, Studio?, Lubuntu?] Disable automount" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719338 | 18:06 |
| knome | i heard you fixed it | 18:06 |
| knome | or, disabled automounting | 18:07 |
| knome | any insight on that? | 18:07 |
| len-dt | xfce4.10 changes where thunar keeps it's config for auto mounting | 18:07 |
| len-dt | the ubiquity dev(s) have not had time to change the code to go with it. | 18:08 |
| knome | len-dt, so you simply changed the thunar setting? | 18:08 |
| len-dt | Yes | 18:08 |
| knome | and you suggest that xubuntu should do that as well? | 18:08 |
| len-dt | It works well for us as having auto stuff during recording is not a great idea | 18:08 |
| len-dt | There is still a bug open for ubiquity, but I don't know when it will be fixed. | 18:09 |
| len-dt | see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/ubuntu/2008-04-12-desktop-automount-pain.html | 18:10 |
| len-dt | knome, you could ask cfwatson on the eta of a ubiquity fix. | 18:11 |
| len-dt | (#ubuntu-release I think) | 18:11 |
| knome | xnox asked me how we should proceed with this | 18:12 |
| knome | i'll talk with him when he gets back | 18:12 |
| len-dt | Ya it was cjwatson I was talking to. but xnox did someof it too | 18:12 |
| len-dt | The user can enable this after the install if needed/wanted | 18:13 |
| knome | i'd like to have it enabled on desktop, but disabled on live | 18:13 |
| knome | i wonder if that's possible.. | 18:13 |
| len-dt | knome, possible yes... dirty though. | 18:15 |
| knome | i'll ask xnox | 18:15 |
| knome | :) | 18:15 |
| knome | thanks | 18:15 |
| len-dt | no problem | 18:15 |
| len-dt | knome do you guys have double icons for removable devices too? | 18:15 |
| knome | yeah.. | 18:15 |
| len-dt | Seems to be everywhere. | 18:16 |
| len-dt | I hear vanilla has it too | 18:16 |
| len-dt | I can get it to go away for a session, but logout/in brings it back :P | 18:17 |
| knome | heh | 18:18 |
| knome | if you can, xubuntu could do help with beta tests | 18:19 |
| len-dt | I will see if I can... I take it you are waiting for a fix/respin first though? | 18:20 |
| knome | that's done | 18:22 |
| len-dt | knome, does xubuntu have a -live-settings and a -default-settings? | 20:58 |
| knome | nope | 20:59 |
| len-dt | That would be one way to have automount on one and not the other | 20:59 |
| knome | yeah | 20:59 |
| knome | it's possible that we'll disable it altogether | 20:59 |
| len-dt | It does seem to be a bug that just keeps coming back | 21:00 |
| len-dt | gotta run. | 21:01 |
| knome | see you | 21:04 |
| scott-work | knome: this isn't might to slight or marginalize you or xubuntu or the xubuntu team, and i hope you don't take it that way: | 21:17 |
| scott-work | knome: but i'm not a huge fan of thunar for a few reasons | 21:18 |
| scott-work | one being no tabs and the developer apparently saying there will never be tabs | 21:18 |
| scott-work | he may have a very good reason for this, but i think people want tabs tough | 21:18 |
| scott-work | though | 21:18 |
| knome | well, i don't want tabs, as it keeps the interface clean :) | 21:19 |
| knome | and yeah, no offense taken really | 21:19 |
| knome | if you want a filemanager with tabs, install one | 21:19 |
| scott-work | hehe, exactly :) | 21:19 |
| scott-work | and of course, we aren't bound to xfce apps either so it makes it a little more open for us, perhaps | 21:19 |
| scott-work | although i do agree with the cleaner interface though | 21:20 |
| knome | we aren't bound to them either, that's even written on our strategy doc | 21:20 |
| knome | (which got published btw) | 21:20 |
| scott-work | congratulations! | 21:20 |
| knome | but i don't see any reason to drop thunar atm | 21:20 |
| knome | you coming to UDS btw? | 21:20 |
| scott-work | i guess i might be unfairly comparing thunar to nautilus when nautilus gets a lot of love from ubuntu proper to make sure it works well | 21:21 |
| knome | thunar has been working quite well actualyl | 21:21 |
| scott-work | hehe, i'm one to complain because i'm running xubuntu on my laptop and my two video machines :P | 21:27 |
| scott-work | only my music box is running ubuntu studio | 21:27 |
| knome | ;) | 21:29 |
| TheMuso | For unity if thats what you mean. | 22:03 |
| TheMuso | whoops | 22:04 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Awake or? | 23:35 |
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