[02:39] <len-dt> It looks like we are getting a new ISO roll just now.
[03:01] <len-dt> New ISOs for testing are available. Anyone who has some idea of why or how we get double removable device icons and how we can fix it :)
[03:03] <len-dt> The other known problem is that most photography and publishing apps are missing. 
[03:04] <ailo> len-dt: Perhaps both Nautilus and Thinar working at the same time?
[03:04] <len-dt> However, it should install from boot or from live
[03:05] <len-dt> ailo, could be... but doesn't make sense. I will have to look closely at the ps x output...
[03:05] <len-dt> The last of our performance tweaks for now are in...
[07:51] <smartboyhw> \o len-dt ailo-w falktx
[07:52] <smartboyhw> Hmm strange I got a VERT FAST connection today:)
[08:49] <smartboyhw> Bug 1046206 help!
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Hello scott-work
[11:57] <smartboyhw> scott-work: I do wonder: What is the kernel team? Can I join?
[11:57] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw 
[11:58] <scott-work> smartboyhw: the kernel team is to help with the maintenance of the lowlatency kernel
[11:58] <scott-work> while i admire your enthusiasm, joining teams is not a competitive activity, there are purposes for teams
[11:58] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[11:59] <smartboyhw> scott-work: I tested the new build (due to sudden boost in network speed)
[11:59] <scott-work> i am presuming that len's fix worked for the installation
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Yes it did
[11:59] <smartboyhw> BUt then...
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Bug 1046206
[12:02] <smartboyhw> scott-woork: That's a Xubuntu problem i THINK
[12:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, 
[12:02] <smartboyhw> So?
[12:06] <knome> "xubuntu problem"
[12:07] <knome> it's possibly a problem on how ubiquity launches xfce, not a xubuntu problem
[12:23] <smartboyhw> knome: OK then, THanks
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Hi ailo-w
[12:24] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: I do wanna ask: How to compile a quantal lowlatency kernel using Ubuntu kernel git?
[12:24] <knome> smartboyhw, that's what happends when you try to joing too many teams and follow too many things
[12:24] <knome> -d
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Not joining team, just a hobby:)
[12:26] <knome> smartboyhw, i was referring to the bug before.
[12:26] <smartboyhw> knome: Why? I tested the Ubuntu Studio build and got the bug
[12:26] <knome> smartboyhw, yes, but you referred to it as "xubuntu bug"
[12:27] <smartboyhw> I think it is
[12:27] <knome> how can it be a xubuntu bug if it appears in ubuntu studio?
[12:27] <smartboyhw> Er, I think if Ubuntu Studio can't launch it then Xubuntu can't also
[12:28] <knome> you should check xubuntu then
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Well OK
[12:33] <smartboyhw> knome: Sorry, my internet is slow again, so no testing
[12:33] <smartboyhw> For xubuntu
[12:54] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: There's a lot of docs here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/
[12:55] <ailo-w> Some of it outdated
[12:55] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: You might want to read some docs about git as well
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Well alright, I don't see it I think, or at least people recommend to use vanilla kernel I wanna use ubuntu kernel
[12:55] <smartboyhw> I've done some cloning in git, don't worry
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Also upload
[12:58] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: This is probably the lowlatency source for quantal git://kernel.ubuntu.com/apw/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency.git
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Thanks ailo
[12:59] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: There's more to git than just cloning
[12:59] <smartboyhw> I know I did push and pulls to
[12:59] <smartboyhw> *too
[12:59] <smartboyhw> I did develop software you know:)
[13:01] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Then you must know everything ;)
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Sure, I do AI software LOL that's how I got my cloak
[13:15] <len-dt>  smartboyhw when you install did you do so from the boot screen?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Yes
[13:16] <len-dt> There is no background.
[13:16] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Yes
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: HELP I don't know how to build it
[13:16] <len-dt> That is not really a bug, just kind of ugly
[13:16] <smartboyhw> fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> len-dt: It DOES have one before
[13:17] <len-dt> didn't in 11.10 or 12.04 as I recall
[13:18] <smartboyhw> At least I have a background...
[13:18] <len-dt> Well ya I have one too.... it's getting to be too long :P
[13:18] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:20] <len-dt> another way of saying I'm getting old...
[13:20] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: I don't really know how to build the kernel
[13:21] <smartboyhw> len-dt: OK, you're old, I'm young:)
[13:21] <len-dt> young whipper snapper
[13:22] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Thanks for the comment:(
[13:22] <len-dt> Is all in jest... I started playing in bands about your age
[13:23] <len-dt> in 1974 as a drummer
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Oh alright, I only know how to study:( Hong Kong is full of education pressure:(
[13:25] <len-dt> asia in general is like that. most of my work life I worked with asians. mostly from china, but also HK and Brunei (not shure of the spelling)
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Correct on the spelling
[13:25] <smartboyhw> len-dt: You don't understand Hong Kong students
[13:26] <len-dt> Vancouver has a lot of asian people
[13:26] <len-dt> In my sons school there were a number of asian students who where not only A students but had 100% score in _everything_
[13:27] <smartboyhw> len-dt: It is normally true
[13:27] <smartboyhw> But then I don't get 100%, only once per year, I get maybe like above 90%
[13:51] <holstein> smartboyhw: morning!
[13:51] <smartboyhw> morning holstein
[13:51] <smartboyhw> night actually
[13:52] <holstein> smartboyhw: someone might have already asked, but when you send out the "please test" emails, could you link the QA testing info?
[13:52] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:52] <smartboyhw> What info?
[13:52] <holstein> thats the only way it gets "officially" recorded and counts towards our releases
[13:52] <smartboyhw> holstein: What do you mean
[13:53] <holstein> smartboyhw: i mean, we need a certain amount of tests
[13:53] <holstein> test cases
[13:53] <holstein> officially recorded
[13:53] <holstein> and when you ask for testers, you could just link that as well.. then we can "get credit for it"
[13:53] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Try binary-lowlatency
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Doesn't work ailo-w
[13:54] <ailo-w> I usually do another build method
[13:54] <holstein> smartboyhw: i think these are the current ones, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Yes there ARE testcases there already
[13:54] <holstein> though i always suggest checkin the IRC so they dont waste time on an old build that the test will be invalid
[13:55] <holstein> smartboyhw: correct.. so, if you can link those in the email
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Alright then holstein
[13:56] <holstein> i would probably link them http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[13:56] <smartboyhw> I did have the link there
[13:56] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Try this
[13:56] <ailo-w> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency
[13:56] <ailo-w> Skip to the part where it says make oldconfig
[13:56] <ailo-w> Just be sure to copy a config file to the root directory first
[13:57] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:57] <ailo-w> You can find the current one at /boot/config-* (the one you want to use)
[13:57] <ailo-w> Time to go..
[14:00] <holstein> smartboyhw: i see what is confusing
[14:00] <smartboyhw> holstein: ?
[14:00] <holstein> smartboyhw: the iso should be downloaded from where you get linked from the QA site
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Well alright
[14:00] <holstein> its not just any iso.. its got to be the one in the QA report
[14:01] <smartboyhw> OK OK OK
[14:01] <holstein> no worries.. i appreciate the shout out!
[14:04] <holstein> smartboyhw: yeah, thats more clear i think
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Ok thanks
[14:04] <holstein> thanks for sending the add-on
[14:04] <holstein> otherwise, they might just download it and test it
[14:04] <holstein> which is fine.. but we dont get "credit"
[14:05] <holstein> if testing is happening, it might as well help us for the release
[14:05] <smartboyhw> OK holstein, I have a testing meeting to attend, ping you later
[14:06] <holstein> smartboyhw: enjoy!
[14:06] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Yo ailo, thanks, building the kernel now:)
[14:21] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Still here?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> holstein: Mind testing the ISO Images for Beta 1?
[14:21] <holstein> smartboyhw: i dont mind, but i wont have time today
[14:21] <holstein> smartboyhw: im out, and i wont be home til late
[14:22] <smartboyhw> holstein: Tmr is the deadline
[14:22] <holstein> smartboyhw: yup... i wont be around a machine i can do that on though unfortunately
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ailo: Can you help them?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> *then
[14:28] <ailo> smartboyhw: Installing on VirtualBox is not the best way to test images
[14:28] <smartboyhw> ailo: I do now, sadly I only have 1 computer
[14:28] <smartboyhw> I'm 14 don't forget
[14:29] <ailo> smartboyhw: The reason why I'm telling you is to inform you
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ailo: ?
[14:29] <ailo> smartboyhw: Being 14 means you are very touchy every time someone informs you of something
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Yes I am
[14:30] <holstein> yeah... its just a "heads up"
[14:30] <smartboyhw> But then what's the problem with virtualbox?
[14:30] <holstein> the higher-ups like to see tests on metal
[14:30] <smartboyhw> I know, I can't
[14:30] <holstein> the problem is, compatibility.... and real world application
[14:30] <holstein> i have emulated the 64bit in 32bit Vbox though
[14:30] <ailo> Some things might not be supported on VirtualBox. Also, you may be able to install on VB, but not on your machine
[14:30] <holstein> i have both test machines now
[14:31] <holstein> so i can do actual metal tests
[14:31] <smartboyhw> I can't stand testing maybe a fail image on my real notebook you know
[14:31] <holstein> i used to have a test hard drive
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Ah I suddenly think of something: Stupid me
[14:32] <smartboyhw> I can put it on a USB drive!
[14:32] <holstein> i used to actually just unplug the hard drive in my production box.. but you can install to USB and just be cautious of where grub goes
[14:33] <ailo> Happens sometimes. Easily fixed with grub-install
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Back from meeting
[14:37] <ailo> I'm downloading both images, but might not have time to install both
[14:38] <smartboyhw> ailo: Test the 32-bit:)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> scott-work, holstein, ailo: Why did the guys confused up that Ubuntu Studio is LTS->LTS?
[15:16] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i do not understand the question
[15:17] <smartboyhw> xnox said that Ubuntu Studio goes from LTS (12.04) to 14.04
[15:17] <smartboyhw> When I said no, then he said that he confused it with Mythbuntu
[15:17] <smartboyhw> !?
[15:20] <micahg> yeah, Mythbuntu is LTS only
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Not us right?
[15:34] <scott-work> smartboyhw: if we were LTS -> LTS only then you would not be testing 12.10, no?
[15:53] <len-dt> Missed. I wanted to ask smartboyhw if he had any scrollbars on the slide show. I haven't seen them for a long time now on my tests.
[16:13] <len-dt> scott-work, 32 bit ISO is tested. I would suggest the bugs mentioned in 64bit testing would apply to 32 bit ISO and vise-versa
[16:16] <knome> len-dt, they're talking about respins ;)
[16:16] <scott-work> heh, knome beat me to it
[16:16] <scott-work> :P
[16:17] <scott-work> len-dt: do you feel that another respin is required at this point for testing purposes?
[16:17] <len-dt> Thats ok. At least we know our bug is fixed and we can install
[16:17] <len-dt> Any respin would be to test things added upstream.
[16:18] <scott-work> okay, then i will tell skaet that we do not need a respin then
[16:20] <len-dt> The bugs I see are not "urgent" and will not get fixed for beta1 anyway.
[16:22] <len-dt> scott-work, with regard to the background bug while installing. I wonder if there is a way to "blank" the background before starting ubiquity rather than running a program make a background...
[16:37] <scott-work> len-dt: hmmmm, i do not know about hat at all
[16:38] <scott-work> s/hat/that
[16:38] <len-dt> I am not sure if there is a -live-meta or not
[16:38] <len-dt> or if this could be done from -live-settings
[16:39] <len-dt> I think blanking could be done from a command line
[16:41] <len-dt> scott-work, I haven't seen slide show scrollbars for a long time so I have marked it off as done on the blue prints.
[16:45] <len-dt> scott-work, Re: GUI for color stuff. Gnome-control-center does this for vanilla. I have tried adding that app, but the color part still doesn't work. Talking to a photographer who has use the gnome-color-manager, he says that when the colorimeter is plugged in the GUI shows up by itself.
[16:46] <len-dt> It looks like the gnome-control-center color capplet is just a container for the various gnome-color-manager functions.
[16:47] <len-dt> I think I will add the raw gnome-color-manager applets to the xfce settings manager with tool tips to help explain when their use would be appropriate
[16:49] <len-dt> I will do this by making US desktop files...
[16:51] <len-dt> If I had a colorimeter (few hundreds dollars to buy, $20 a day to rent) I could probably make a standalone container that would work with xfce-settings-manager
[18:00] <scott-work> len-dt: i think that is a good bet for the slide show work tast
[18:00] <scott-work> len-dt: i wish i could offer some constructive advise for the color/gnome-control stuff
[18:05] <knome> hmm
[18:05] <len-dt> knome, ? you have a comment?
[18:06] <knome> wondering about bug #719338
[18:06] <knome> i heard you fixed it
[18:07] <knome> or, disabled automounting
[18:07] <knome> any insight on that?
[18:07] <len-dt> xfce4.10 changes where thunar keeps it's config for auto mounting
[18:08] <len-dt> the ubiquity dev(s) have not had time to change the code to go with it.
[18:08] <knome> len-dt, so you simply changed the thunar setting?
[18:08] <len-dt> Yes
[18:08] <knome> and you suggest that xubuntu should do that as well?
[18:08] <len-dt> It works well for us as having auto stuff during recording is not a great idea
[18:09] <len-dt> There is still a bug open for ubiquity, but I don't know when it will be fixed. 
[18:10] <len-dt> see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/ubuntu/2008-04-12-desktop-automount-pain.html
[18:11] <len-dt> knome, you could ask cfwatson on the eta of a ubiquity fix.
[18:11] <len-dt> (#ubuntu-release I think)
[18:12] <knome> xnox asked me how we should proceed with this
[18:12] <knome> i'll talk with him when he gets back
[18:12] <len-dt> Ya it was cjwatson I was talking to. but xnox did someof it too
[18:13] <len-dt> The user can enable this after the install if needed/wanted
[18:13] <knome> i'd like to have it enabled on desktop, but disabled on live
[18:13] <knome> i wonder if that's possible..
[18:15] <len-dt> knome, possible yes... dirty though.
[18:15] <knome> i'll ask xnox
[18:15] <knome> :)
[18:15] <knome> thanks
[18:15] <len-dt> no problem
[18:15] <len-dt> knome do you guys have double icons for removable devices too?
[18:15] <knome> yeah..
[18:16] <len-dt> Seems to be everywhere.
[18:16] <len-dt> I hear vanilla has it too
[18:17] <len-dt> I can get it to go away for a session, but logout/in brings it back :P
[18:18] <knome> heh
[18:19] <knome> if you can, xubuntu could do help with beta tests
[18:20] <len-dt> I will see if I can... I take it you are waiting for a fix/respin first though?
[18:22] <knome> that's done
[20:58] <len-dt> knome, does xubuntu have a -live-settings and a -default-settings?
[20:59] <knome> nope
[20:59] <len-dt> That would be one way to have automount on one and not the other
[20:59] <knome> yeah
[20:59] <knome> it's possible that we'll disable it altogether
[21:00] <len-dt> It does seem to be a bug that just keeps coming back
[21:01] <len-dt> gotta run.
[21:04] <knome> see you
[21:17] <scott-work> knome: this isn't might to slight or marginalize you or xubuntu or the xubuntu team, and i hope you don't take it that way:
[21:18] <scott-work> knome: but i'm not a huge fan of thunar for a few reasons
[21:18] <scott-work> one being no tabs and the developer apparently saying there will never be tabs
[21:18] <scott-work> he may have a very good reason for this, but i think people want tabs tough
[21:18] <scott-work> though
[21:19] <knome> well, i don't want tabs, as it keeps the interface clean :)
[21:19] <knome> and yeah, no offense taken really
[21:19] <knome> if you want a filemanager with tabs, install one
[21:19] <scott-work> hehe, exactly :)
[21:19] <scott-work> and of course, we aren't bound to xfce apps either so it makes it a little more open for us, perhaps
[21:20] <scott-work> although i do agree with the cleaner interface though
[21:20] <knome> we aren't bound to them either, that's even written on our strategy doc
[21:20] <knome> (which got published btw)
[21:20] <scott-work> congratulations!
[21:20] <knome> but i don't see any reason to drop thunar atm
[21:20] <knome> you coming to UDS btw?
[21:21] <scott-work> i guess i might be unfairly comparing thunar to nautilus when nautilus gets a lot of love from ubuntu proper to make sure it works well
[21:21] <knome> thunar has been working quite well actualyl
[21:27] <scott-work> hehe, i'm one to complain because i'm running xubuntu on my laptop and my two video machines :P
[21:27] <scott-work> only my music box is running ubuntu studio
[21:29] <knome> ;)
[22:03] <TheMuso> For unity if thats what you mean.
[22:04] <TheMuso> whoops
[23:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Awake or?