[02:39] It looks like we are getting a new ISO roll just now. [03:01] New ISOs for testing are available. Anyone who has some idea of why or how we get double removable device icons and how we can fix it :) [03:03] The other known problem is that most photography and publishing apps are missing. [03:04] len-dt: Perhaps both Nautilus and Thinar working at the same time? [03:04] However, it should install from boot or from live [03:05] ailo, could be... but doesn't make sense. I will have to look closely at the ps x output... [03:05] The last of our performance tweaks for now are in... [07:51] \o len-dt ailo-w falktx [07:52] Hmm strange I got a VERT FAST connection today:) [08:49] Bug 1046206 help! [08:49] Launchpad bug 1046206 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio ubiquity 12.10 lost the whole background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046206 [11:57] Hello scott-work [11:57] scott-work: I do wonder: What is the kernel team? Can I join? [11:57] good morning smartboyhw [11:58] smartboyhw: the kernel team is to help with the maintenance of the lowlatency kernel [11:58] while i admire your enthusiasm, joining teams is not a competitive activity, there are purposes for teams [11:58] HAHAHA [11:59] scott-work: I tested the new build (due to sudden boost in network speed) [11:59] i am presuming that len's fix worked for the installation [11:59] Yes it did [11:59] BUt then... [11:59] Bug 1046206 [11:59] Launchpad bug 1046206 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Studio ubiquity 12.10 lost the whole background" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046206 [12:02] scott-woork: That's a Xubuntu problem i THINK [12:02] scott-work, [12:02] So? [12:06] "xubuntu problem" [12:07] it's possibly a problem on how ubiquity launches xfce, not a xubuntu problem [12:23] knome: OK then, THanks [12:23] Hi ailo-w [12:24] ailo-w: I do wanna ask: How to compile a quantal lowlatency kernel using Ubuntu kernel git? [12:24] smartboyhw, that's what happends when you try to joing too many teams and follow too many things [12:24] -d [12:24] Not joining team, just a hobby:) [12:26] smartboyhw, i was referring to the bug before. [12:26] knome: Why? I tested the Ubuntu Studio build and got the bug [12:26] smartboyhw, yes, but you referred to it as "xubuntu bug" [12:27] I think it is [12:27] how can it be a xubuntu bug if it appears in ubuntu studio? [12:27] Er, I think if Ubuntu Studio can't launch it then Xubuntu can't also [12:28] you should check xubuntu then [12:28] Well OK [12:33] knome: Sorry, my internet is slow again, so no testing [12:33] For xubuntu [12:54] smartboyhw: There's a lot of docs here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/ [12:55] Some of it outdated [12:55] smartboyhw: You might want to read some docs about git as well [12:55] Well alright, I don't see it I think, or at least people recommend to use vanilla kernel I wanna use ubuntu kernel [12:55] I've done some cloning in git, don't worry [12:55] Also upload [12:58] smartboyhw: This is probably the lowlatency source for quantal git://kernel.ubuntu.com/apw/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency.git [12:58] Thanks ailo [12:59] smartboyhw: There's more to git than just cloning [12:59] I know I did push and pulls to [12:59] *too [12:59] I did develop software you know:) [13:01] smartboyhw: Then you must know everything ;) [13:01] Sure, I do AI software LOL that's how I got my cloak [13:15] smartboyhw when you install did you do so from the boot screen? [13:15] len-dt: Yes [13:16] There is no background. [13:16] len-dt: Yes [13:16] ailo-w: HELP I don't know how to build it [13:16] That is not really a bug, just kind of ugly [13:16] fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic? [13:17] len-dt: It DOES have one before [13:17] didn't in 11.10 or 12.04 as I recall [13:18] At least I have a background... [13:18] Well ya I have one too.... it's getting to be too long :P [13:18] !? [13:20] another way of saying I'm getting old... [13:20] ailo-w: I don't really know how to build the kernel [13:21] len-dt: OK, you're old, I'm young:) [13:21] young whipper snapper [13:22] len-dt: Thanks for the comment:( [13:22] Is all in jest... I started playing in bands about your age [13:23] in 1974 as a drummer [13:23] Oh alright, I only know how to study:( Hong Kong is full of education pressure:( [13:25] asia in general is like that. most of my work life I worked with asians. mostly from china, but also HK and Brunei (not shure of the spelling) [13:25] Correct on the spelling [13:25] len-dt: You don't understand Hong Kong students [13:26] Vancouver has a lot of asian people [13:26] In my sons school there were a number of asian students who where not only A students but had 100% score in _everything_ [13:27] len-dt: It is normally true [13:27] But then I don't get 100%, only once per year, I get maybe like above 90% [13:51] smartboyhw: morning! [13:51] morning holstein [13:51] night actually [13:52] smartboyhw: someone might have already asked, but when you send out the "please test" emails, could you link the QA testing info? [13:52] !? [13:52] What info? [13:52] thats the only way it gets "officially" recorded and counts towards our releases [13:52] holstein: What do you mean [13:53] smartboyhw: i mean, we need a certain amount of tests [13:53] test cases [13:53] officially recorded [13:53] and when you ask for testers, you could just link that as well.. then we can "get credit for it" [13:53] smartboyhw: Try binary-lowlatency [13:54] Doesn't work ailo-w [13:54] I usually do another build method [13:54] smartboyhw: i think these are the current ones, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds [13:54] Yes there ARE testcases there already [13:54] though i always suggest checkin the IRC so they dont waste time on an old build that the test will be invalid [13:55] smartboyhw: correct.. so, if you can link those in the email [13:55] Alright then holstein [13:56] i would probably link them http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [13:56] I did have the link there [13:56] smartboyhw: Try this [13:56] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency [13:56] Skip to the part where it says make oldconfig [13:56] Just be sure to copy a config file to the root directory first [13:57] OK [13:57] You can find the current one at /boot/config-* (the one you want to use) [13:57] Time to go.. [14:00] smartboyhw: i see what is confusing [14:00] holstein: ? [14:00] smartboyhw: the iso should be downloaded from where you get linked from the QA site [14:00] Well alright [14:00] its not just any iso.. its got to be the one in the QA report [14:01] OK OK OK [14:01] no worries.. i appreciate the shout out! [14:04] smartboyhw: yeah, thats more clear i think [14:04] Ok thanks [14:04] thanks for sending the add-on [14:04] otherwise, they might just download it and test it [14:04] which is fine.. but we dont get "credit" [14:05] if testing is happening, it might as well help us for the release [14:05] OK holstein, I have a testing meeting to attend, ping you later [14:06] smartboyhw: enjoy! [14:06] :) [14:13] Yo ailo, thanks, building the kernel now:) [14:21] len-dt: Still here? [14:21] holstein: Mind testing the ISO Images for Beta 1? [14:21] smartboyhw: i dont mind, but i wont have time today [14:21] smartboyhw: im out, and i wont be home til late [14:22] holstein: Tmr is the deadline [14:22] smartboyhw: yup... i wont be around a machine i can do that on though unfortunately [14:22] ... [14:22] ailo: Can you help them? [14:22] *then [14:28] smartboyhw: Installing on VirtualBox is not the best way to test images [14:28] ailo: I do now, sadly I only have 1 computer [14:28] I'm 14 don't forget [14:29] smartboyhw: The reason why I'm telling you is to inform you [14:29] ailo: ? [14:29] smartboyhw: Being 14 means you are very touchy every time someone informs you of something [14:30] Yes I am [14:30] yeah... its just a "heads up" [14:30] But then what's the problem with virtualbox? [14:30] the higher-ups like to see tests on metal [14:30] I know, I can't [14:30] the problem is, compatibility.... and real world application [14:30] i have emulated the 64bit in 32bit Vbox though [14:30] Some things might not be supported on VirtualBox. Also, you may be able to install on VB, but not on your machine [14:30] i have both test machines now [14:31] so i can do actual metal tests [14:31] I can't stand testing maybe a fail image on my real notebook you know [14:31] i used to have a test hard drive [14:31] Ah I suddenly think of something: Stupid me [14:32] I can put it on a USB drive! [14:32] i used to actually just unplug the hard drive in my production box.. but you can install to USB and just be cautious of where grub goes [14:33] Happens sometimes. Easily fixed with grub-install [14:34] Back from meeting [14:37] I'm downloading both images, but might not have time to install both [14:38] ailo: Test the 32-bit:) [15:05] scott-work, holstein, ailo: Why did the guys confused up that Ubuntu Studio is LTS->LTS? [15:16] smartboyhw: i do not understand the question [15:17] xnox said that Ubuntu Studio goes from LTS (12.04) to 14.04 [15:17] When I said no, then he said that he confused it with Mythbuntu [15:17] !? [15:20] yeah, Mythbuntu is LTS only [15:20] Not us right? [15:34] smartboyhw: if we were LTS -> LTS only then you would not be testing 12.10, no? [15:53] Missed. I wanted to ask smartboyhw if he had any scrollbars on the slide show. I haven't seen them for a long time now on my tests. [16:13] scott-work, 32 bit ISO is tested. I would suggest the bugs mentioned in 64bit testing would apply to 32 bit ISO and vise-versa [16:16] len-dt, they're talking about respins ;) [16:16] heh, knome beat me to it [16:16] :P [16:17] len-dt: do you feel that another respin is required at this point for testing purposes? [16:17] Thats ok. At least we know our bug is fixed and we can install [16:17] Any respin would be to test things added upstream. [16:18] okay, then i will tell skaet that we do not need a respin then [16:20] The bugs I see are not "urgent" and will not get fixed for beta1 anyway. [16:22] scott-work, with regard to the background bug while installing. I wonder if there is a way to "blank" the background before starting ubiquity rather than running a program make a background... [16:37] len-dt: hmmmm, i do not know about hat at all [16:38] s/hat/that [16:38] I am not sure if there is a -live-meta or not [16:38] or if this could be done from -live-settings [16:39] I think blanking could be done from a command line [16:41] scott-work, I haven't seen slide show scrollbars for a long time so I have marked it off as done on the blue prints. [16:45] scott-work, Re: GUI for color stuff. Gnome-control-center does this for vanilla. I have tried adding that app, but the color part still doesn't work. Talking to a photographer who has use the gnome-color-manager, he says that when the colorimeter is plugged in the GUI shows up by itself. [16:46] It looks like the gnome-control-center color capplet is just a container for the various gnome-color-manager functions. [16:47] I think I will add the raw gnome-color-manager applets to the xfce settings manager with tool tips to help explain when their use would be appropriate [16:49] I will do this by making US desktop files... [16:51] If I had a colorimeter (few hundreds dollars to buy, $20 a day to rent) I could probably make a standalone container that would work with xfce-settings-manager [18:00] len-dt: i think that is a good bet for the slide show work tast [18:00] len-dt: i wish i could offer some constructive advise for the color/gnome-control stuff [18:05] hmm [18:05] knome, ? you have a comment? [18:06] wondering about bug #719338 [18:06] Launchpad bug 719338 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Xubuntu, Studio?, Lubuntu?] Disable automount" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719338 [18:06] i heard you fixed it [18:07] or, disabled automounting [18:07] any insight on that? [18:07] xfce4.10 changes where thunar keeps it's config for auto mounting [18:08] the ubiquity dev(s) have not had time to change the code to go with it. [18:08] len-dt, so you simply changed the thunar setting? [18:08] Yes [18:08] and you suggest that xubuntu should do that as well? [18:08] It works well for us as having auto stuff during recording is not a great idea [18:09] There is still a bug open for ubiquity, but I don't know when it will be fixed. [18:10] see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/ubuntu/2008-04-12-desktop-automount-pain.html [18:11] knome, you could ask cfwatson on the eta of a ubiquity fix. [18:11] (#ubuntu-release I think) [18:12] xnox asked me how we should proceed with this [18:12] i'll talk with him when he gets back [18:12] Ya it was cjwatson I was talking to. but xnox did someof it too [18:13] The user can enable this after the install if needed/wanted [18:13] i'd like to have it enabled on desktop, but disabled on live [18:13] i wonder if that's possible.. [18:15] knome, possible yes... dirty though. [18:15] i'll ask xnox [18:15] :) [18:15] thanks [18:15] no problem [18:15] knome do you guys have double icons for removable devices too? [18:15] yeah.. [18:16] Seems to be everywhere. [18:16] I hear vanilla has it too [18:17] I can get it to go away for a session, but logout/in brings it back :P [18:18] heh [18:19] if you can, xubuntu could do help with beta tests [18:20] I will see if I can... I take it you are waiting for a fix/respin first though? [18:22] that's done [20:58] knome, does xubuntu have a -live-settings and a -default-settings? [20:59] nope [20:59] That would be one way to have automount on one and not the other [20:59] yeah [20:59] it's possible that we'll disable it altogether [21:00] It does seem to be a bug that just keeps coming back [21:01] gotta run. [21:04] see you [21:17] knome: this isn't might to slight or marginalize you or xubuntu or the xubuntu team, and i hope you don't take it that way: [21:18] knome: but i'm not a huge fan of thunar for a few reasons [21:18] one being no tabs and the developer apparently saying there will never be tabs [21:18] he may have a very good reason for this, but i think people want tabs tough [21:18] though [21:19] well, i don't want tabs, as it keeps the interface clean :) [21:19] and yeah, no offense taken really [21:19] if you want a filemanager with tabs, install one [21:19] hehe, exactly :) [21:19] and of course, we aren't bound to xfce apps either so it makes it a little more open for us, perhaps [21:20] although i do agree with the cleaner interface though [21:20] we aren't bound to them either, that's even written on our strategy doc [21:20] (which got published btw) [21:20] congratulations! [21:20] but i don't see any reason to drop thunar atm [21:20] you coming to UDS btw? [21:21] i guess i might be unfairly comparing thunar to nautilus when nautilus gets a lot of love from ubuntu proper to make sure it works well [21:21] thunar has been working quite well actualyl [21:27] hehe, i'm one to complain because i'm running xubuntu on my laptop and my two video machines :P [21:27] only my music box is running ubuntu studio [21:29] ;) [22:03] For unity if thats what you mean. [22:04] whoops [23:35] len-dt: Awake or?