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pleia2so, I have been out of it all weekend, are we set for a beta1? (I haven't tested any of the images lately, need to do that but won't get to it before beta1)04:57
pleia2should get release notes prepped if we're ready04:58
micahgit's oversized and I'm not sure how we fix that ATM05:10
* pleia2 nods05:12
mips1911I did a minimal cli netinstall + xfce4 last night the only issue I have so far is that it shows all my extra hdd/partitions twice on the desktop? Any idea why and how to fix it?08:29
smartboyhwmips1911: This is a support channel:)08:29
ochosiknome, mr_pouit, micahg: any idea how we could fix bug #1010487 ?08:31
mips1911smartboyhw, it's 12.10 which is has not been released yet08:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101048708:31
smartboyhwOH OK08:31
knomeochosi, hmph.08:57
ochosiknome: we should really try to tackle that...08:58
ochosiit seems like either greybird or gtk3 isn't working properly there08:58
knomeyup.08:58
knomeor both :P08:58
ochosii would've hoped things would be solved with beta108:58
ochosibut reportedly not08:58
knomewe should really look on how to start the installer without compositor08:58
ochosi(mostly because the greybird upload in alpha was still rather buggy)08:58
knomei believe we'll solve this bug while doing that08:58
ochosido you know whom to ask?08:59
knomeno, not really, but i'd start with stgraber and cjwatson probably08:59
ochosii mean we also have that problem of the "networks available" popup in the installer, while there is no panel or anything to interact with that message08:59
ochosiok, let me know if there's anything i can do (i.e. fixes in greybird)08:59
knomewell, you can ask stgraber and/or cjwatson ;)09:00
ochosinope, no time09:00
knomehah, well, yeah..09:00
ochosiall i can offer at this point is fixing stuff in greybird09:01
ochosi(although i don't think it'll be necessary)09:01
knomewhat was the bug number for the grey window borders again09:01
ochosiwhat grey window borders?09:02
ochosiyou mean the xorg-bug?09:02
knomeno09:02
knomethe grey window shades09:02
knomedoesn't that happen at the same point than this new bug?09:03
ochosistill not sure what bug you're talking about09:03
knomebug #92390909:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 923909 in Zim "create a link without a place just with description" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92390909:03
knomenot that!09:03
knome#92490909:03
knomebug #92490909:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 924909 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Windows have grey traces in Ubiquity" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92490909:03
ochosiyou mean the compositor-problems?09:03
ochosiah right09:03
knomeso doesn't that appear at the same time?09:03
ochosiyeah, in a way09:03
knomeso they are *possibly* interconnected?09:03
ochosialthough i'm not sure they are connected09:04
knomemh.09:04
ochosiwe had the compositor-bug already last cycle09:04
ochosiwithout the gtk3 issues09:04
ochosito me it seems like in ubiquity-config, the gtk3 theme isn't set correctly09:04
ochosiso it should be easy to fix09:04
ochosi(i hope)09:04
ochosithe other thing with the compositor is more complex, it means switching it off conditionally (i.e. when in "install mode")09:05
ochosibut leaving it on while in "live mode"09:05
knomedoes the new bug happen in "live mode" too?09:05
ochosinope09:05
ochosii didn't notice anything there09:05
knomeok09:06
ochosiand i think in that bugreport there's also a comment suggesting that09:06
knome"I have the same bug on a live session on Quantal Beta 1."09:06
ochosia-ha09:06
ochosiodd09:06
knomea#809:06
knome-a09:06
knomesame comment: "However, when the desktop is loaded, clicking on the icon "Install Xubuntu 12.10", Ubiquity starts with grey background and readable text."09:06
ochosiyeah09:07
ochosidunno what that means09:07
knomeand somebody suggests it might've been bluebird too (fixed by changing to thinice)09:07
ochosithat's the part i remembered09:07
knomewell yeah, that's "live mode"09:07
ochosinope, the evolution-issue is entirely unconnected09:07
knomeaha09:07
ochosithose comments should be taken out09:07
knomecan you comment that it's a different issue09:08
knomeand whether it's been fixed or not09:08
ochosidone09:10
ochosi(i have no motivation to fix an evolution-only bug btw)09:10
knome:)09:10
ochosi(i've known about it for a while and investigated, but i'm not reading their sources again)09:11
knomeheh09:11
ochosibbl09:12
knomesee you / hf09:12
knomeochosi, in the ubiquity source (lp:ubiquity), see bin/ubiquity-dm to see how/what's run09:23
ochosiknome: so wait, you were asking _me_ to look at ubiquity's source? :)14:10
knomeochosi, har har15:26
knomeochosi, that's what we need to do15:26
ochosi"we"? :)15:27
knomethe xubuntu team15:27
ochosihehe15:27
ochosibtw, it would've been better to use a wallpaper-variant without the dots for the lightdm and plymouth theme15:27
knomewe can still fix that15:28
knomefile a bug15:28
pnarcisodiscussing the theme?15:33
GridCubeochosi, i dissagree, for some reason the dots make it... more official... sort off, i cant really explain, it just looks more professional15:34
knomeGridCube, their strectching is a problem in lightdm and plymouth15:34
ochosiGridCube: but they look bad when scaled (which only happens in plymouth and lightdm)15:34
knomeGridCube, we're not discussing to drop them from the wallpaper completely15:35
GridCubeoh, correct15:35
GridCubenever though of that15:35
GridCubei know this might be asking a lot, but cant they be added "live" like as a software made layer?15:37
knomeat least not after UIF15:38
GridCubeno, never mind its an inecesary work15:40
GridCubeunnecesary?15:40
pnarcisoare you discussing removing the circles in the wallpaper while in lightdm15:42
knomepnarciso, yes15:42
pnarcisobecause of issues in 4:3 screens?15:43
pnarcisothe circles arent circles anymore :)15:43
knomeyes15:44
pnarcisowell, I like the actual desktop, but the circles look bad on 4:3.15:45
pnarcisoI like having the same wallpaper in both lightdm and desktop, so the best solution is changing the default desktop15:45
knomewe can leave the dots on the desktop wallpaper15:45
pnarcisoI think it doesnt look that good, because when entering session it seems the circles would appear from thin air :)15:46
GridCubecant lightdm notice the ratio of the screen and choose a walpaper from that ratio spectrum? say you make a 4:3, and a 16:9 ones and let lightdm choose the apropiate one for the case15:47
pnarcisobut this is my personal opinion15:47
knomeGridCube, no idea :)15:48
GridCube:P if we only had madnick around15:49
pnarcisothe greybird wallpaper could be and alternative, it doesn't look bad at 4:315:51
ochosinot sure it's really a problem if the dots appear15:55
pnarcisoit's a minor detail, that's for sure15:57
pnarcisoI'm more concerned about the wnidow borders missing :)15:58
pleia2are we going to be able to fix bug 1010487?16:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101048716:05
pleia2it's a bit :(16:05
pleia2oh, I see above16:05
* pleia2 backscrolls16:05
knomei should paste the whole log16:06
pleia2haha16:06
pleia2nooo16:06
knomeno16:06
knomefrom -release16:06
pleia2oh16:06
pleia2I shall look there16:06
knomeno wait16:06
knomehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1187454/16:06
knome"secone one" being the bug you pointed to16:07
* pleia2 nods16:07
pnarcisobeta 1 is released tomorrow isn't it?16:08
knomeyeah16:09
knomei promised to do the testing calls16:09
knomeoops :)16:09
knomefortunately we only have two images \o/16:10
pnarcisoHaving tried the latest xubuntu build to see if install issues are fixed?16:10
knomethey aren't16:10
knomeif you're pointing to the visual issues16:10
pnarcisoso, it means we can only install with alternate16:11
knomethere is no alternate16:12
knomeyou can't install with it :P16:12
pnarcisolol16:13
pnarcisoso we have a non working beta16:13
pnarcisogreat ...16:13
mips1911netinstall16:13
mips1911I did a netinstall last night16:14
mips1911or should I say very early this morning, got to bed at 3am16:14
knomepnarciso, we have three "passed" tests16:15
pnarcisowhich are?16:15
knomepnarciso, please refer to the iso tracker16:16
pnarcisook16:16
knomexubuntu images going to be respun for other issues16:18
pnarcisothe problem I had with daily iso, was that when I try to install to custom partitions instead of auto install, I would not pass from the keyboard selection screen.16:21
bluesabreknome, looks like we're still building alternates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20120904/16:21
bluesabreor did we stop as of today?16:22
knomebluesabre, we did stop as of today; i told them again we didn't want alternates :P16:22
bluesabreah16:22
knome(they had missed it the first time)16:22
bluesabre:D16:22
pnarcisohaving alternate is expendable as long as normal isos install16:23
knomepnarciso, we simply don't have the workforce for that. to read more about the decision, refer the the mailing list archive16:24
pnarcisoI understand16:24
knomei just dropped the wubi tests from the testsuites too, since we don't support that16:25
pnarcisothe only alternative to people who want to install and try beta is to install alpha3 first and then let the system upgrades16:27
knomeno16:27
* bluesabre wonders if it's possibly to create some automated testing with Sikuli (http://sikuli.org/)16:27
knomeas i said, we have three passed tests with the betas16:27
knomebluesabre, there's some automated testing we should set up, but you should talk with micahg about that16:27
knomewe are seriously oversized16:28
bluesabreYeah, what's causing that?16:28
micahg?16:28
* micahg knows nothing of automated tests16:28
knomemicahg, hmm, i thought you had a workitem on that16:28
knomemaybe i misunderstood16:28
micahgknome: I might, I was in the session16:29
pnarcisoI see zero passed in manual partitioning16:29
knomemicahg, what can we do for the oversiedness?16:29
micahgknome: right now, nothing16:29
knomepnarciso, we're being respun to fix that.16:29
micahgyank gimp is the knee jerk reaction16:29
pnarcisowhich was where daily isos were failing16:29
micahgthere should be more fluff to cut16:29
knomemicahg, i'm looking at the langpacks, and why do we have PT instead of, say, DE?16:29
micahgyeah, we can drop langpacks, but that won't get us all the way16:30
micahgI'm supposed to drop the gtk2 requirement of gimp at some point, don't know if I"ll make it for this cycle though16:30
pnarcisowell, I'm Portuguese :)16:30
pnarcisoscrew german :)16:30
knomepnarciso, yeah, but why portuguese instead of german?16:30
knomemicahg, and xhosa, really? :P16:31
pnarcisowell because more people speak portuguese than german?16:31
micahgoh, wow, we're shipping a lot of languages16:32
knomemicahg, are we?16:32
knomemicahg, i'm looking at the manifest, and i can count to 616:32
knomeincluding en16:32
micahgen, es, fr, pt, xh16:33
knomezh16:33
knome(or zh-hans)16:33
micahgah, yes16:33
knomewhat was the latest bump up on the size?16:34
knomeweren't we somewhat closer to the limit?16:34
knome757 for amd beta 116:34
knome:<16:34
micahgwe can drop all for amd64 and still not get there16:34
pnarcisohow much size does gimp occupies16:35
micahgwe can drop some fonts...16:35
micahgstill might not get us there though16:35
knomemicahg, so a langpack is about 6,5MB?16:35
micahg~1016:36
knomehmm, that much16:36
bluesabreAre we shipping both versions of python?  What requires python3?16:36
knomei think we are at a point where we either drop all the langpacks or none :P16:36
pnarcisowhat the size limite?16:37
pnarciso800?16:37
bluesabre703, right?16:37
knomea standard CD, 70316:37
knomewe're 54 oversized on amd6416:37
pnarcisobut is that size mandatory16:38
pnarcisowho use cd's anyway16:38
knomemany users with older computers who can't boot from USB16:38
micahgxchat would give us 1.5MB16:38
micahgpidgin does IRC16:38
knomemicahg, mmh.. but that's not too much really16:39
bluesabreWhat about gnome-games?16:39
pnarcisognome games can go16:39
knomei agree, but how big is it16:39
micahgGames: We only ship a few by default.16:39
micahg * (aisleriot) [!powerpc]16:39
micahg * (gnome-mahjongg) [!powerpc]16:39
micahg * (gnomine) [!powerpc]16:39
micahg * (gnome-sudoku) [!powerpc]16:39
knomemicahg, how much space do they eat?16:40
knomewait, what's screensaver-default-images ?16:40
micahgmahjongg is ~2.5MB16:41
pnarcisoscreensaver can go as well16:41
mips1911So who's working on Bug#1039375 :)16:41
knomebug #103937516:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103937516:41
knomemips1911, probably no-one right now.16:42
micahgscreensaver stuff total is <1MB16:42
knomemicahg, even the screensaver-default-images package?16:42
mips1911knome, I spent the whole day pulling my hair out trying to fix 'my problem' until elfy told me it's actually a common bug.16:42
knomemips1911, yes... and? :)16:43
micahgknome: .3MB16:43
knomemicahg, meh.16:43
micahgI think mahjong should go though16:43
knomeyeah, agreed16:43
knomethose who want it, can download it16:44
mips1911knome, I did a minimal net install so I thought it was something I stuffed up nt knowing it's a common bug. I'll have to leave it for the clever people to fix :) Wonder if the bug comes from upstream16:44
knomemips1911, i've no idea16:44
pnarcisoalpha 3 doesn't have the duplicate partition showing16:46
pnarcisoit appeared later16:46
pnarcisoscreensaver and  games can go16:46
knomepnarciso, we use the screensaver for locking the screen, so no, all the screensaver stuff can't go16:47
pnarcisoleave only the black screen screensaver16:47
micahgmahjongg dropped16:48
knomemicahg, which fonts would you propose to drop?16:51
knomemicahg, and would that be in connection with dropping some langpacks16:52
micahgidk, would like to know what's required and what's nice in the list16:53
pnarcisohow many theme are xubuntu packing16:55
pnarcisoif we only include greybird we can save some space dropping wall papers16:55
knomei'd keep ubuntu, droid (needed), liberation (needed)16:57
knomemicahg, ^16:57
knomemicahg, and other depending if we have non-western langpaks16:57
knomepnarciso, not too many, and the wallpapers are in a different package.16:57
micahgapt-cache show shimmer-themes | grep ^Size16:58
micahgSize: 23396216:58
knomemicahg, Q?16:58
micahgyeah16:58
knomemmh, that's not too much really.16:58
knomecompared to many many more things16:58
knomemicahg, i'm thinking if we drop the non-western langpacks and fonts, are there good metapackages we can tell people to install?16:59
micahgnope17:00
knomemicahg, what do you think about dropping the langpacks?17:01
micahgeuropean ones, sure, maybe select 1 of xh/zh17:01
pnarcisodropping all languages except english is the most easy solution, but the problem is people without internet17:01
micahgbut that's still not enough17:02
knomeif that's 10 per langpack, it would mean 40MB17:02
knomeif we keep xh/zh, we will need the non-western fonts too17:03
micahgwhat if we moved gimp out of the livefs?17:03
knomehow much would that give us?17:03
knomeand what else is there we could move17:03
pnarcisoI amd seeing duplicate wallpapers in my instalation17:04
pnarcisothe same walppaper seen twice17:04
knomedo people really expect to have games on their linux installation?17:05
micahgknome: maybe 10MB more 17:05
mips1911no, not me17:05
pnarcisoonly kids17:05
pnarcisoand there are kids using linux17:05
knomemicahg, what if we went and deleted es, fr, and pt langpacks for starters17:06
mips1911Why distribute gimp with xubuntu? substute it with pinta instead and those that need gimp can install it.17:06
knomemips1911, pinta brings in mono, so not really helpful17:06
* micahg thinks the that languages are more core to a good ISO than gimp17:07
knomemicahg, me too. but how much is gimp then, if we dropped it altogehter?17:07
knomes/ht/th/17:07
micahgat least 20MB17:07
knomeain't enough either17:07
micahgmr_pouit estimated ~40MB last time, idk if that's still true17:08
pnarcisohow much do we have to shave17:08
knomepnarciso, about 54.17:08
micahgknome: we can try it post beta 1 and see what it does17:08
mips1911installing gimp here would be a 21.5MB download and 75MB unpacked17:08
knomemicahg, or we can ask for another respin :P17:09
micahgno, this isn't the type of thing to respin for (where we're not even close)17:09
knomemicahg, your take on games then?17:10
knomei'd be willing to drop both gimp and all games.17:10
knomei simply don't think they provide much to the "xubuntu" image17:10
pnarcisothat fine by me17:11
micahgknome: start with mahjongg and see what's left :)17:11
knomeand seriously, .7MB for sudoku? :)17:11
micahgif we're that close, we can drop them17:12
knomemmh17:12
knomeok17:12
knomeso can we have another of these sessions after beta1?17:12
micahgyeah17:12
pnarcisoofcourse17:12
knomeand are you suggesting to drop anything else than mahjongg now?17:12
knomegimp?17:13
pnarcisoyou can drop the games, and add a shortcut to USC for people who want to install them17:13
knomepnarciso, it's not that easy17:13
pnarcisoadding  a shortcut in the menu that autoinstalls the missing games17:13
knomeeither we drop them and they are not "missing", or we keep them, if we think the would be "missing"17:14
knomethen we should start creating shortcuts for whatever17:14
bluesabreYeah, I'm against shortcuts to the USC17:15
bluesabreKubuntu does that for Firefox17:15
bluesabrekinda17:15
bluesabreI guess there's has it's own "Installer"17:15
knomethat's probably a case that i'd approve17:15
knomebut not for games, really17:15
bluesabreyeah17:15
pnarcisoI sugested this, to people who use xubuntu and like those games17:15
knomepnarciso, they can simply go to USC theirselves and install the games, no need to add a shortcut17:16
pnarcisoFor me doesn't matter much17:16
knomemicahg, lol17:17
knomemicahg, can you drop gnome-user-guide? :D17:17
bluesabrewhat about Transmission?  I know torrents are the way to go for distributing isos, but if it takes up space?17:17
micahgknome: it's the docs for yelp :(17:18
knomemicahg, but gnome?17:18
knomemicahg, that package is huge.17:18
knomewell, nearly 2MB ;)17:19
knomebluesabre, looks like transmission would bring like .717:19
bluesabre:(17:19
knomeok, the images are respun17:21
knomeplease test them! :)17:21
knome(manual paritioning along other things should work now)17:21
knomemicahg, my last quantal amd64 download was 733MB. what was added?17:23
micahggood question :)17:23
knomethat was from 22/0817:24
knomeso some time ago...17:24
knomebut still, something doesn't match17:24
bluesabre(don't be my fault, don't be my fault)17:24
knomelol yeah, it must be that new catfish upload17:24
bluesabreand/or parole17:25
bluesabreor elementary-xfce17:25
knomecatfish 0.4 - finding files in places you don't expect to find them17:25
knomebluesabre, you can run a test or two?17:26
bluesabreknome: Sure thing17:46
knomebluesabre, thanks17:46
bluesabreI'll try to sometime today17:46
knomeyeah, deadline is 12UTC tomorrow17:46
bluesabreUnfortunately, I have the honor of staring at server logs for the next 4 hours17:46
knomelol17:46
mips1911Wrt  Bug#1039375  it might be gvfs related according to someone here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12219640&postcount=518:09
knomedoes anybody know if #1015485 has landed on Q?18:44
knomefss18:44
knomebug #101548518:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1015485 in elementary Icons "use black 16px volume icons" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101548518:44
bluesabreIf my latest changes to elementary-xfce went in, I know for sure they should be in there.  But they were fixed before that18:48
knomei don't know which icons we are talking about18:49
knomeif somebody tells me, i can check when i run a Q test18:49
bluesabreSound menu volume icons18:52
bluesabre:P18:52
bluesabreBut if the volume icon is the right color in parole, it should be fixed18:53
bluesabreActually, the 16px variant is in the parole Audio menu18:53
bluesabreSo if it's there, you should be good18:53
knomebug #101048719:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101048719:38
knomesee last comment19:38
knomeochosi, ^19:39
satya164btw when i click logout, it takes about a minute19:41
satya164I've installed Xfce in Ubuntu by sudo apt-get install xfce4 --no-install-recommends19:42
bluesabreubiquity doesn't like us :'(20:08
knomeyeah.20:08
bluesabreHowever, amd64 installs fine in vm20:08
bluesabre:D20:08
knome"failed to create a file system"20:08
knomein amd64 in vbox20:08
bluesabreIt worked for me20:08
bluesabrein a brand new bvm20:08
bluesabre*vm20:08
knomeyeah well, probably got soemthing to do with automounting20:08
knomeat least the new installer slideshow looks ok.20:10
bluesabreYeah, the abiword screenshot is outdated though20:11
knomeyeah, but the new version sucks visually20:11
bluesabrelol20:11
knomejust cheating a little!20:11
knomelook how i even changed the "stick" button120:11
knome!20:11
bluesabreI missed that20:12
bluesabre:D20:12
knomehah, yeah20:12
knomemeh20:14
knomewhat's the bug for failing window borders again20:14
knome104344320:14
pnarcisoHey20:16
knomehello.20:17
pnarcisoI just tried beta1 install20:17
pnarcisotyping from it right now20:17
knomedid you file the report to the iso tracker?20:17
pnarcisonot yet20:17
pnarcisobecause is not bug free20:17
knomepnarciso, please do, espeicially if it isn't.20:17
pnarcisoI have this instalation alongside windows 720:18
pnarcisoentered live session20:18
knomethe qa tracker is slow, launchpad is slow etc20:19
pnarcisoclick install xubuntu, install in custom partitions, all is well until I reach the end of the install, where I appears to have crashed because there's no indication that the instalation has finished.20:19
knomepnarciso, can you see if a bug has been filed for that; if not, file one20:20
ochosiknome: re:bugreport, i know that, but what's that to say?20:26
knomei don't know20:26
knomebeta1 is horrible20:26
knomei'm already thinking of skipping, but i don't know how that'd help20:26
knomebut if i keep running into errors like i do now, we might have to skip it altogether20:27
pnarcisowhat kind of errors?20:27
ochosiyou mean skip the 12.10 release?20:27
knomeskip beta120:27
knomepnarciso, "Failed to create a file system"20:27
knomeochosi, can you run a test?20:28
pnarcisowhere do you get that error?20:29
pnarcisoon install?20:29
ochosiknome: not sure i still have enough time/energy tonight20:30
ochosiknome: but: wrt the LO bug, it seems the whole menu-problem could be confined in a package that is in recommends "lo-menubar". if that gets installed, you have the "unity-feature" of not having a regular menubar anymore20:31
ochosiknome: also, if i'd have enough time/energy, i'd rather pursue the ubiquity bug20:31
knomeochosi, aha, so we'll just blacklist that?20:31
ochosiknome: i dunno how/if we can20:32
knomewe can, at least from the CD20:32
knomeand why not the installation too20:32
ochosiyeah, but first we need to test t20:32
micahgochosi: what's the LO bug #?20:36
ochosimicahg: i think you even commented on that one, will quickly dig it up again20:36
knomehey micahg 20:37
micahgI see the bug, that's RC for final, but not for beta 1 since we don't ship LO20:37
knomemicahg, can you look at #71933820:37
ochosiyeah i know20:37
pnarcisoAre you talking about openoffice missing menu?20:37
micahgknome: nope, I know nothing about ubiquity, as xnox20:38
ochosipnarciso: yes20:38
micahg*ask20:38
pnarcisoit seems that openoffice thinks it's a feature not having any menu :)20:38
pnarcisobug submited https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/104654020:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1046540 in Ubuntu CD Images "Xubuntu 12.10 beta 1 install won't show any indication that the installation had ended." [Undecided,New]20:38
micahgwell, it doesn't have similar logic to firefox on whether it should operate when there's a globalmenu available or not20:39
knomemicahg, what should i reply to his question?20:39
satya164btw when i click logout, it takes about a minute. I've installed Xfce in Ubuntu by sudo apt-get install xfce4 --no-install-recommends20:39
micahgknome: who'?s20:39
knomemicahg, xnox's20:39
knomeDear xubuntu-devs, would you like to change your default livecd settings to stop automounting or would you like ubiquity to do subprocess.call to flip that key off:20:39
knomexfconf-query -c thunar-volman -p /automount-drives/enabled -s false20:39
ochosisatya164: did you look at ~/.xsession-errors?20:39
satya164ochosi: not yet20:39
ochosisatya164: that's a good place to start i think20:40
satya164ochosi: it logs out, but takes about a minute20:40
satya164ochosi: and if i again click logout or shut down, it says20:40
ochosisatya164: you could also open a terminal, run "top" and then hit logout and see what consumes your cpu20:40
satya164"Session manager should be in idle state"20:40
satya164must be20:40
micahgpnarciso: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity20:41
micahgknome: not sure what we should do with that, probably needs discussion20:42
knomemicahg, bug #1046536 :(20:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1046536 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Failed to create a file system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104653620:42
knomemicahg, probably an implication of letting disks automount20:42
ochosii'd vote in favor or switching auto-mounting off20:43
ochosippl can easily mount drives by clicking on them20:43
ochosiand it's just a potential error-source for the installer (because it has to unmount them before partitioning)20:43
micahgsomething seems buggy somewhere20:44
ochosihehe20:44
ochosimicahg: may i quote you on that? :)20:44
micahgthe installer shouldn't offer to erase and install on a mounted disk20:44
micahgochosi: crud, I did mention it20:48
pnarcisocould the errors related to mounted devices be related to this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/103937520:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:55
knomemore likely bug #719338, but that can be another implication of that20:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 719338 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Xubuntu, Studio?, Lubuntu?] Disable automount" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71933820:55
pnarcisobecause it was about the same time that instalations started to fail. Alpha 3 installed fine.20:56
knomewe need to do many tests after beta1.20:56
knomei won't be around much tomorrow, but i will log in to see if we will release beta 1 at all or not20:57
* micahg goes away for a bit20:57
knomeif other people seem to be getting ok results, then we can probably release20:57
pnarcisoI gladly test and report issues20:57
knomeotherwise, i'm not keeping high hopes20:58
knomepnarciso, if you are able, please run more tests for beta120:58
pnarcisoyes, it's running :)20:58
knomeok, good20:58
knomei don't mind if you run them all.20:58
pnarcisoFontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 103: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not works as expected20:59
pnarcisothis error still shows on a lot of fonts20:59
ochosiyeah, i think everyone is getting those warnings20:59
knomeyup20:59
satya164yeah, i also get20:59
knomeochosi, anything you need from me until i'm gone?20:59
knomeothers too20:59
* micahg wonders why xubuntu has various libreoffice packages as supported, will have to fix later20:59
ochosiknome: fix ubiquity! (or get someone to fix it)20:59
knomeochosi, eh, how? :P21:00
knomeand what in it21:00
ochosiknome: dunno, use your special XPL powers!21:00
knomei believe you should talk with micahg or mr_pouit 21:00
pnarcisoinstall process and graphical glitches on install must be top priority21:00
ochosiwell, the loading of greybird and disabling the compositor21:00
knomewhile micahg said he doesn't know ubiquity, i believe this is rather a problem on how to launch xfce21:01
knomehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1187454/21:01
knomethat's our best lead.21:01
knomeand it's probably a good one21:01
pnarcisoI don't think this installation issues are related only to xfce, I think ubuntu itself gave this issues21:01
ochosiknome: is cjwatson still around?21:02
knomeochosi, doesn't look like he is21:03
ochosihm ok21:03
ochosiwhere can i usually find him?21:03
knomebut i don't think we could afford another respin even if he was21:03
knome#ubuntu-release21:03
ochosiok21:03
ochosii'll look into it21:03
knomethat's where the discussion on the pastebin happened as well21:03
knomexnox might be around later today21:03
ochosiok, we'll see21:05
knomehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1187842/21:06
knomepasted the whole log there21:06
knomeincluding the bug stuff, so you'll get context for "second one"21:06
ochosimhm21:07
ochosilooking at the ubiquity source now21:07
knomeyeah21:07
knomeit's as easy as "knome can read it"21:08
ochosii assume that the wrong frontend is detected21:09
knomewell yeah, there you go21:10
ochosihttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity#L23021:10
knomeIf frontend is None, defaults to the first of gtk_ui, kde_ui, and debconf_ui that exists.21:10
knomeshouldn't that work with that fallback too though?21:10
knomewait21:11
knomethat's the wrong file21:11
knome:P21:11
knometry http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm21:11
knomelike, line 41321:11
knomeand/or 39021:12
ochosii guess we could look into replacing that xfwm4 command somehow21:13
knomeexactly.21:13
ochosiwith "xfwm4 --compositor=off"21:13
ochosiand voila21:13
knomebut i don't know what parameters we should give, and how to test ubiquity21:13
ochosithat's all21:13
ochosixfwm4 has a builtin switch21:13
ochosiwith that the compositing problems should go away21:14
knomeeven the black things?21:14
knomeor is that another issue21:14
ochosinope21:14
ochosithat is a different story21:14
knomeok, so what do you think that is about?21:15
ochosii assume it's a problem with xfsettingsd21:15
knomethe screenshot i pasted on the bug looks like it's not greybird21:16
knomeit's probably partly that, but there's some fallback stuff21:16
ochosiit's definitely not greybird :)21:16
ochosiit could be that there is no theme set via xfsettingsd21:17
knomeline 413 then21:17
ochosii guess21:17
ochosibut i don't know enough about what it does with xfsettingsd21:17
knomelooks like it just runs it21:17
ochosiif it just loads it, it could be that xfsettingsd loads all our settings which would prolly re-enable the compositor, although i'm not 100% sure about that21:18
ochosibecause the compositor-option has to be set when xfwm4 is started21:18
knomemm-hmm21:18
ochosi(afaik)21:18
knomebut if it's in the settings, but you run xfwm4 with the parameter, shouldn't the parameter override anyway?21:18
ochosii'd hope yes21:18
ochosithat would give us the solid gold option of not having compositing in the "install only" mode and compositing in the desktop-session and as default setting21:19
knomeyup21:19
knomecan you follow the path on investigating if we have set a theme in xfsettingsd?21:19
ochosibtw, what's up with that: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm#L37721:20
ochosiwell, where can i find xnox?21:20
knome#ubuntu-release :D21:20
ochosiok21:20
ochosiso they're all hanging out there, ha?21:20
ochosi:)21:20
knomeyeah, they are21:21
knomehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/104317021:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1043170 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Update Xubuntu wallpaper for Quantal" [Undecided,New]21:21
knomelast comment21:21
ochosiif ubiquity-greeter wasn't so hard to test...21:22
knomeochosi, the happy thing is that all stgraber, cjwatson and xnox seem to be nice guys. the situation could be worse...21:30
ochositrue21:30
ochosibtw, what image would you recommend for me now?21:30
knomeanything that isn't tested21:30
ochosidailies didn't work well i read before?21:30
ochosino, i need something that _works_ so i can test ubiquity :p21:31
knomei was able to install amd6421:31
ochosithere are only alternate images: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/21:32
knomeshoo21:32
knomehttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/21:32
knometry the -live :P21:32
knomeif we can get i386 non-oversized ("only" 29MB overhead), that'd be fine for Q21:34
ochosipurge the office suite?21:36
knomepurge gimp :P21:36
knomewe dropped mahjongg21:36
knome:P21:36
ochosihehe21:36
knomebut yeah.... purging the office suite would suit me well (pun intended)21:36
ochosilet's drop more games21:36
knomehaha21:37
knomethey're not gonna be as big as mj21:37
knomethat was 2.5MB !21:37
ochosiWOW :)21:37
knomeother games are <1MB21:37
ochosithat doesn't even fit on a floppy! ;)21:37
knomebut together probably about 2MB'ish21:38
knomeyeah21:38
knomeSize: 76267621:38
knomeREALLY, 700kb+ for SUDOKU?21:38
ochosifancy graphics when for the "win"-screen? :)21:39
knomebut yeah, amd64 is 757MB :P21:39
knomeso.. there's a few things to drop there.21:39
ochosiwe should probably decide whether to 1) forget about CDs or 2) forget about certain software by default21:39
knomeyup.21:40
knomeif we forget CDs, we can probably just barely add mahjongg back to fit a 1GB usb stick21:40
knomeprobably need to lose it on 13.04 again though21:40
knome(:21:40
ochosiwe could (instead of alternate) ship two versions: one more minimal for cd, and one for 2gb usb sticks21:41
ochosianyhoo21:41
knome1GB would work well enough21:41
ochosihow do i get to a tty in vbox again21:41
knomethat's what ubuntu is doing21:41
knomei'm not willing to drop arches really, and i think locking one arch for non-CDs is suboptimal21:42
knomethough it is relatively fine, since most amd64 users probably have a pc that's able to boot from usb21:42
knomeanyway, i'm off too21:43
knomesee you tomorrow (briefly, got lots to do/where to go)21:43
knomepleia2, i'm seeing the guy running the linux courses with xubuntu tomorrow, btw21:44
knomeand i haven't planned at all..21:44
knomei need to wake up earlyish :)21:44
knomeanyway, bbl. see you21:44
pnarcisosee ya21:47
pleia2knome: good luck :)23:00
ochosianyone here knows where i can find the ubiquity bug with the grey borders stuff?23:06
bluesabreknome mentioned it earlier I think23:06
bluesabreon this channel (I think)23:07
ochosii think i found it23:07
ochosihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/92490923:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 924909 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Windows have grey traces in Ubiquity" [Medium,Confirmed]23:07
bluesabrewoot23:07
ochosiit's quite mislinked though (no relevance to metacity or xfwm4)23:07
ochosii'm happy to say i have a fix for that23:08
bluesabreyay!  Receiving objects: 100% (307429/307429), 207.83 MiB | 531 KiB/s, done.23:08
ochosiwow23:08
bluesabrestupid gtk23:08
bluesabreawesome ochosi!23:08
bluesabreHow crazy of a fix is it?23:08
pleia2yay ochosi!23:08
ochosibluesabre: simply disable the compositor in the ubiquity-only session23:09
ochosiwe had that on our roadmap23:09
ochosibut astraljava didn't have the time to look into it23:09
bluesabreah23:09
bluesabrecool23:09
ochosiactually i wanted to fix another issue, but this kinda "came up"23:09
bluesabreany idea what's going on with the undecorated, black windows?23:10
ochosi?23:10
ochosiundecorated? that's new23:10
bluesabreit has the borders23:10
bluesabrebut the widgets are windows95-ish23:10
ochosiwoot23:10
ochosiwhere what?23:10
bluesabreknome logged it earlier23:10
bluesabreI'm on the wrong partition right now23:10
bluesabreotherwise I'd give you a good link23:11
bluesabre:D23:11
bluesabrehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/101048723:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed]23:12
bluesabrelast comment23:12
ochosioh right23:12
ochosiyeah, that was the one i was working on23:12
bluesabrecool23:12
ochosiwhen i realized we can simply switch off the compositor and do away with the grey traces at least23:12
ochosisupposedly our bug is also fixed by xnox23:12
ochosii tried to test it, but i'd have to rebuild ubiquity in live-usb-mode from cli...23:13
bluesabregross23:13
ochosiwell modifying ubiquity from term and restarting it is fine23:13
ochosiwell, try to download a file from bzr from the commandline23:14
ochosihttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/quantal-proposed/view/head:/gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui23:14
ochosi(hover the download-link please :) )23:14
bluesabrehttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/quantal-proposed/download/head:/liveinstaller.glade-20051205083503-da5c123079d20cb5/ubiquity.ui23:16
ochosiyes, i know. but thanks for posting it ;)23:16
ochosii'm installing bzr now from cli on the live-system23:16
ochosithen it'll be a tad easier23:16
ochosiboo, bzr is so slow...23:21
ochosibluesabre: so, how many GB does gtk2 have?23:21
bluesabreGB?23:21
bluesabresize?23:21
ochosiyup23:21
bluesabreapparently 200 mb of source code23:22
bluesabreactually23:22
bluesabrethats compressed23:22
bluesabre312.4 MB uncompressed23:22
ochosinot too bad23:23
bluesabreI wonder if I should extend a custom GtkWidget for this stuff23:23
ochosibtw, did kalikiana's hints get you any further?23:23
bluesabreyeah23:23
bluesabrea little bit23:23
bluesabreI need to add a muxer to gtkwidget though23:23
bluesabrewhich is still probably not the way to do it23:25
ochosino clue what a muxer is :)23:27
bluesabreme neither23:27
ochosisounds like a musical filter23:27
bluesabrebut it exists in gtk223:27
bluesabrebut not as a variable of GtkWidget23:28
bluesabreThere is no easy way to do this it seems23:28
bluesabre-_-23:28
ochosihumm, this looks like a small improvement23:29
ochosihttp://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09062012-013002am.php23:30
bluesabrewoot!23:30
bluesabregotta go, bbl23:32
ochosittyl23:32

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