| pleia2 | so, I have been out of it all weekend, are we set for a beta1? (I haven't tested any of the images lately, need to do that but won't get to it before beta1) | 04:57 |
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| pleia2 | should get release notes prepped if we're ready | 04:58 |
| micahg | it's oversized and I'm not sure how we fix that ATM | 05:10 |
| * pleia2 nods | 05:12 | |
| mips1911 | I did a minimal cli netinstall + xfce4 last night the only issue I have so far is that it shows all my extra hdd/partitions twice on the desktop? Any idea why and how to fix it? | 08:29 |
| smartboyhw | mips1911: This is a support channel:) | 08:29 |
| ochosi | knome, mr_pouit, micahg: any idea how we could fix bug #1010487 ? | 08:31 |
| mips1911 | smartboyhw, it's 12.10 which is has not been released yet | 08:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010487 | 08:31 |
| smartboyhw | OH OK | 08:31 |
| knome | ochosi, hmph. | 08:57 |
| ochosi | knome: we should really try to tackle that... | 08:58 |
| ochosi | it seems like either greybird or gtk3 isn't working properly there | 08:58 |
| knome | yup. | 08:58 |
| knome | or both :P | 08:58 |
| ochosi | i would've hoped things would be solved with beta1 | 08:58 |
| ochosi | but reportedly not | 08:58 |
| knome | we should really look on how to start the installer without compositor | 08:58 |
| ochosi | (mostly because the greybird upload in alpha was still rather buggy) | 08:58 |
| knome | i believe we'll solve this bug while doing that | 08:58 |
| ochosi | do you know whom to ask? | 08:59 |
| knome | no, not really, but i'd start with stgraber and cjwatson probably | 08:59 |
| ochosi | i mean we also have that problem of the "networks available" popup in the installer, while there is no panel or anything to interact with that message | 08:59 |
| ochosi | ok, let me know if there's anything i can do (i.e. fixes in greybird) | 08:59 |
| knome | well, you can ask stgraber and/or cjwatson ;) | 09:00 |
| ochosi | nope, no time | 09:00 |
| knome | hah, well, yeah.. | 09:00 |
| ochosi | all i can offer at this point is fixing stuff in greybird | 09:01 |
| ochosi | (although i don't think it'll be necessary) | 09:01 |
| knome | what was the bug number for the grey window borders again | 09:01 |
| ochosi | what grey window borders? | 09:02 |
| ochosi | you mean the xorg-bug? | 09:02 |
| knome | no | 09:02 |
| knome | the grey window shades | 09:02 |
| knome | doesn't that happen at the same point than this new bug? | 09:03 |
| ochosi | still not sure what bug you're talking about | 09:03 |
| knome | bug #923909 | 09:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 923909 in Zim "create a link without a place just with description" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923909 | 09:03 |
| knome | not that! | 09:03 |
| knome | #924909 | 09:03 |
| knome | bug #924909 | 09:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 924909 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Windows have grey traces in Ubiquity" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924909 | 09:03 |
| ochosi | you mean the compositor-problems? | 09:03 |
| ochosi | ah right | 09:03 |
| knome | so doesn't that appear at the same time? | 09:03 |
| ochosi | yeah, in a way | 09:03 |
| knome | so they are *possibly* interconnected? | 09:03 |
| ochosi | although i'm not sure they are connected | 09:04 |
| knome | mh. | 09:04 |
| ochosi | we had the compositor-bug already last cycle | 09:04 |
| ochosi | without the gtk3 issues | 09:04 |
| ochosi | to me it seems like in ubiquity-config, the gtk3 theme isn't set correctly | 09:04 |
| ochosi | so it should be easy to fix | 09:04 |
| ochosi | (i hope) | 09:04 |
| ochosi | the other thing with the compositor is more complex, it means switching it off conditionally (i.e. when in "install mode") | 09:05 |
| ochosi | but leaving it on while in "live mode" | 09:05 |
| knome | does the new bug happen in "live mode" too? | 09:05 |
| ochosi | nope | 09:05 |
| ochosi | i didn't notice anything there | 09:05 |
| knome | ok | 09:06 |
| ochosi | and i think in that bugreport there's also a comment suggesting that | 09:06 |
| knome | "I have the same bug on a live session on Quantal Beta 1." | 09:06 |
| ochosi | a-ha | 09:06 |
| ochosi | odd | 09:06 |
| knome | a#8 | 09:06 |
| knome | -a | 09:06 |
| knome | same comment: "However, when the desktop is loaded, clicking on the icon "Install Xubuntu 12.10", Ubiquity starts with grey background and readable text." | 09:06 |
| ochosi | yeah | 09:07 |
| ochosi | dunno what that means | 09:07 |
| knome | and somebody suggests it might've been bluebird too (fixed by changing to thinice) | 09:07 |
| ochosi | that's the part i remembered | 09:07 |
| knome | well yeah, that's "live mode" | 09:07 |
| ochosi | nope, the evolution-issue is entirely unconnected | 09:07 |
| knome | aha | 09:07 |
| ochosi | those comments should be taken out | 09:07 |
| knome | can you comment that it's a different issue | 09:08 |
| knome | and whether it's been fixed or not | 09:08 |
| ochosi | done | 09:10 |
| ochosi | (i have no motivation to fix an evolution-only bug btw) | 09:10 |
| knome | :) | 09:10 |
| ochosi | (i've known about it for a while and investigated, but i'm not reading their sources again) | 09:11 |
| knome | heh | 09:11 |
| ochosi | bbl | 09:12 |
| knome | see you / hf | 09:12 |
| knome | ochosi, in the ubiquity source (lp:ubiquity), see bin/ubiquity-dm to see how/what's run | 09:23 |
| ochosi | knome: so wait, you were asking _me_ to look at ubiquity's source? :) | 14:10 |
| knome | ochosi, har har | 15:26 |
| knome | ochosi, that's what we need to do | 15:26 |
| ochosi | "we"? :) | 15:27 |
| knome | the xubuntu team | 15:27 |
| ochosi | hehe | 15:27 |
| ochosi | btw, it would've been better to use a wallpaper-variant without the dots for the lightdm and plymouth theme | 15:27 |
| knome | we can still fix that | 15:28 |
| knome | file a bug | 15:28 |
| pnarciso | discussing the theme? | 15:33 |
| GridCube | ochosi, i dissagree, for some reason the dots make it... more official... sort off, i cant really explain, it just looks more professional | 15:34 |
| knome | GridCube, their strectching is a problem in lightdm and plymouth | 15:34 |
| ochosi | GridCube: but they look bad when scaled (which only happens in plymouth and lightdm) | 15:34 |
| knome | GridCube, we're not discussing to drop them from the wallpaper completely | 15:35 |
| GridCube | oh, correct | 15:35 |
| GridCube | never though of that | 15:35 |
| GridCube | i know this might be asking a lot, but cant they be added "live" like as a software made layer? | 15:37 |
| knome | at least not after UIF | 15:38 |
| GridCube | no, never mind its an inecesary work | 15:40 |
| GridCube | unnecesary? | 15:40 |
| pnarciso | are you discussing removing the circles in the wallpaper while in lightdm | 15:42 |
| knome | pnarciso, yes | 15:42 |
| pnarciso | because of issues in 4:3 screens? | 15:43 |
| pnarciso | the circles arent circles anymore :) | 15:43 |
| knome | yes | 15:44 |
| pnarciso | well, I like the actual desktop, but the circles look bad on 4:3. | 15:45 |
| pnarciso | I like having the same wallpaper in both lightdm and desktop, so the best solution is changing the default desktop | 15:45 |
| knome | we can leave the dots on the desktop wallpaper | 15:45 |
| pnarciso | I think it doesnt look that good, because when entering session it seems the circles would appear from thin air :) | 15:46 |
| GridCube | cant lightdm notice the ratio of the screen and choose a walpaper from that ratio spectrum? say you make a 4:3, and a 16:9 ones and let lightdm choose the apropiate one for the case | 15:47 |
| pnarciso | but this is my personal opinion | 15:47 |
| knome | GridCube, no idea :) | 15:48 |
| GridCube | :P if we only had madnick around | 15:49 |
| pnarciso | the greybird wallpaper could be and alternative, it doesn't look bad at 4:3 | 15:51 |
| ochosi | not sure it's really a problem if the dots appear | 15:55 |
| pnarciso | it's a minor detail, that's for sure | 15:57 |
| pnarciso | I'm more concerned about the wnidow borders missing :) | 15:58 |
| pleia2 | are we going to be able to fix bug 1010487? | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010487 | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | it's a bit :( | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | oh, I see above | 16:05 |
| * pleia2 backscrolls | 16:05 | |
| knome | i should paste the whole log | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | haha | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | nooo | 16:06 |
| knome | no | 16:06 |
| knome | from -release | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | oh | 16:06 |
| pleia2 | I shall look there | 16:06 |
| knome | no wait | 16:06 |
| knome | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187454/ | 16:06 |
| knome | "secone one" being the bug you pointed to | 16:07 |
| * pleia2 nods | 16:07 | |
| pnarciso | beta 1 is released tomorrow isn't it? | 16:08 |
| knome | yeah | 16:09 |
| knome | i promised to do the testing calls | 16:09 |
| knome | oops :) | 16:09 |
| knome | fortunately we only have two images \o/ | 16:10 |
| pnarciso | Having tried the latest xubuntu build to see if install issues are fixed? | 16:10 |
| knome | they aren't | 16:10 |
| knome | if you're pointing to the visual issues | 16:10 |
| pnarciso | so, it means we can only install with alternate | 16:11 |
| knome | there is no alternate | 16:12 |
| knome | you can't install with it :P | 16:12 |
| pnarciso | lol | 16:13 |
| pnarciso | so we have a non working beta | 16:13 |
| pnarciso | great ... | 16:13 |
| mips1911 | netinstall | 16:13 |
| mips1911 | I did a netinstall last night | 16:14 |
| mips1911 | or should I say very early this morning, got to bed at 3am | 16:14 |
| knome | pnarciso, we have three "passed" tests | 16:15 |
| pnarciso | which are? | 16:15 |
| knome | pnarciso, please refer to the iso tracker | 16:16 |
| pnarciso | ok | 16:16 |
| knome | xubuntu images going to be respun for other issues | 16:18 |
| pnarciso | the problem I had with daily iso, was that when I try to install to custom partitions instead of auto install, I would not pass from the keyboard selection screen. | 16:21 |
| bluesabre | knome, looks like we're still building alternates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20120904/ | 16:21 |
| bluesabre | or did we stop as of today? | 16:22 |
| knome | bluesabre, we did stop as of today; i told them again we didn't want alternates :P | 16:22 |
| bluesabre | ah | 16:22 |
| knome | (they had missed it the first time) | 16:22 |
| bluesabre | :D | 16:22 |
| pnarciso | having alternate is expendable as long as normal isos install | 16:23 |
| knome | pnarciso, we simply don't have the workforce for that. to read more about the decision, refer the the mailing list archive | 16:24 |
| pnarciso | I understand | 16:24 |
| knome | i just dropped the wubi tests from the testsuites too, since we don't support that | 16:25 |
| pnarciso | the only alternative to people who want to install and try beta is to install alpha3 first and then let the system upgrades | 16:27 |
| knome | no | 16:27 |
| * bluesabre wonders if it's possibly to create some automated testing with Sikuli (http://sikuli.org/) | 16:27 | |
| knome | as i said, we have three passed tests with the betas | 16:27 |
| knome | bluesabre, there's some automated testing we should set up, but you should talk with micahg about that | 16:27 |
| knome | we are seriously oversized | 16:28 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, what's causing that? | 16:28 |
| micahg | ? | 16:28 |
| * micahg knows nothing of automated tests | 16:28 | |
| knome | micahg, hmm, i thought you had a workitem on that | 16:28 |
| knome | maybe i misunderstood | 16:28 |
| micahg | knome: I might, I was in the session | 16:29 |
| pnarciso | I see zero passed in manual partitioning | 16:29 |
| knome | micahg, what can we do for the oversiedness? | 16:29 |
| micahg | knome: right now, nothing | 16:29 |
| knome | pnarciso, we're being respun to fix that. | 16:29 |
| micahg | yank gimp is the knee jerk reaction | 16:29 |
| pnarciso | which was where daily isos were failing | 16:29 |
| micahg | there should be more fluff to cut | 16:29 |
| knome | micahg, i'm looking at the langpacks, and why do we have PT instead of, say, DE? | 16:29 |
| micahg | yeah, we can drop langpacks, but that won't get us all the way | 16:30 |
| micahg | I'm supposed to drop the gtk2 requirement of gimp at some point, don't know if I"ll make it for this cycle though | 16:30 |
| pnarciso | well, I'm Portuguese :) | 16:30 |
| pnarciso | screw german :) | 16:30 |
| knome | pnarciso, yeah, but why portuguese instead of german? | 16:30 |
| knome | micahg, and xhosa, really? :P | 16:31 |
| pnarciso | well because more people speak portuguese than german? | 16:31 |
| micahg | oh, wow, we're shipping a lot of languages | 16:32 |
| knome | micahg, are we? | 16:32 |
| knome | micahg, i'm looking at the manifest, and i can count to 6 | 16:32 |
| knome | including en | 16:32 |
| micahg | en, es, fr, pt, xh | 16:33 |
| knome | zh | 16:33 |
| knome | (or zh-hans) | 16:33 |
| micahg | ah, yes | 16:33 |
| knome | what was the latest bump up on the size? | 16:34 |
| knome | weren't we somewhat closer to the limit? | 16:34 |
| knome | 757 for amd beta 1 | 16:34 |
| knome | :< | 16:34 |
| micahg | we can drop all for amd64 and still not get there | 16:34 |
| pnarciso | how much size does gimp occupies | 16:35 |
| micahg | we can drop some fonts... | 16:35 |
| micahg | still might not get us there though | 16:35 |
| knome | micahg, so a langpack is about 6,5MB? | 16:35 |
| micahg | ~10 | 16:36 |
| knome | hmm, that much | 16:36 |
| bluesabre | Are we shipping both versions of python? What requires python3? | 16:36 |
| knome | i think we are at a point where we either drop all the langpacks or none :P | 16:36 |
| pnarciso | what the size limite? | 16:37 |
| pnarciso | 800? | 16:37 |
| bluesabre | 703, right? | 16:37 |
| knome | a standard CD, 703 | 16:37 |
| knome | we're 54 oversized on amd64 | 16:37 |
| pnarciso | but is that size mandatory | 16:38 |
| pnarciso | who use cd's anyway | 16:38 |
| knome | many users with older computers who can't boot from USB | 16:38 |
| micahg | xchat would give us 1.5MB | 16:38 |
| micahg | pidgin does IRC | 16:38 |
| knome | micahg, mmh.. but that's not too much really | 16:39 |
| bluesabre | What about gnome-games? | 16:39 |
| pnarciso | gnome games can go | 16:39 |
| knome | i agree, but how big is it | 16:39 |
| micahg | Games: We only ship a few by default. | 16:39 |
| micahg | * (aisleriot) [!powerpc] | 16:39 |
| micahg | * (gnome-mahjongg) [!powerpc] | 16:39 |
| micahg | * (gnomine) [!powerpc] | 16:39 |
| micahg | * (gnome-sudoku) [!powerpc] | 16:39 |
| knome | micahg, how much space do they eat? | 16:40 |
| knome | wait, what's screensaver-default-images ? | 16:40 |
| micahg | mahjongg is ~2.5MB | 16:41 |
| pnarciso | screensaver can go as well | 16:41 |
| mips1911 | So who's working on Bug#1039375 :) | 16:41 |
| knome | bug #1039375 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039375 | 16:41 |
| knome | mips1911, probably no-one right now. | 16:42 |
| micahg | screensaver stuff total is <1MB | 16:42 |
| knome | micahg, even the screensaver-default-images package? | 16:42 |
| mips1911 | knome, I spent the whole day pulling my hair out trying to fix 'my problem' until elfy told me it's actually a common bug. | 16:42 |
| knome | mips1911, yes... and? :) | 16:43 |
| micahg | knome: .3MB | 16:43 |
| knome | micahg, meh. | 16:43 |
| micahg | I think mahjong should go though | 16:43 |
| knome | yeah, agreed | 16:43 |
| knome | those who want it, can download it | 16:44 |
| mips1911 | knome, I did a minimal net install so I thought it was something I stuffed up nt knowing it's a common bug. I'll have to leave it for the clever people to fix :) Wonder if the bug comes from upstream | 16:44 |
| knome | mips1911, i've no idea | 16:44 |
| pnarciso | alpha 3 doesn't have the duplicate partition showing | 16:46 |
| pnarciso | it appeared later | 16:46 |
| pnarciso | screensaver and games can go | 16:46 |
| knome | pnarciso, we use the screensaver for locking the screen, so no, all the screensaver stuff can't go | 16:47 |
| pnarciso | leave only the black screen screensaver | 16:47 |
| micahg | mahjongg dropped | 16:48 |
| knome | micahg, which fonts would you propose to drop? | 16:51 |
| knome | micahg, and would that be in connection with dropping some langpacks | 16:52 |
| micahg | idk, would like to know what's required and what's nice in the list | 16:53 |
| pnarciso | how many theme are xubuntu packing | 16:55 |
| pnarciso | if we only include greybird we can save some space dropping wall papers | 16:55 |
| knome | i'd keep ubuntu, droid (needed), liberation (needed) | 16:57 |
| knome | micahg, ^ | 16:57 |
| knome | micahg, and other depending if we have non-western langpaks | 16:57 |
| knome | pnarciso, not too many, and the wallpapers are in a different package. | 16:57 |
| micahg | apt-cache show shimmer-themes | grep ^Size | 16:58 |
| micahg | Size: 233962 | 16:58 |
| knome | micahg, Q? | 16:58 |
| micahg | yeah | 16:58 |
| knome | mmh, that's not too much really. | 16:58 |
| knome | compared to many many more things | 16:58 |
| knome | micahg, i'm thinking if we drop the non-western langpacks and fonts, are there good metapackages we can tell people to install? | 16:59 |
| micahg | nope | 17:00 |
| knome | micahg, what do you think about dropping the langpacks? | 17:01 |
| micahg | european ones, sure, maybe select 1 of xh/zh | 17:01 |
| pnarciso | dropping all languages except english is the most easy solution, but the problem is people without internet | 17:01 |
| micahg | but that's still not enough | 17:02 |
| knome | if that's 10 per langpack, it would mean 40MB | 17:02 |
| knome | if we keep xh/zh, we will need the non-western fonts too | 17:03 |
| micahg | what if we moved gimp out of the livefs? | 17:03 |
| knome | how much would that give us? | 17:03 |
| knome | and what else is there we could move | 17:03 |
| pnarciso | I amd seeing duplicate wallpapers in my instalation | 17:04 |
| pnarciso | the same walppaper seen twice | 17:04 |
| knome | do people really expect to have games on their linux installation? | 17:05 |
| micahg | knome: maybe 10MB more | 17:05 |
| mips1911 | no, not me | 17:05 |
| pnarciso | only kids | 17:05 |
| pnarciso | and there are kids using linux | 17:05 |
| knome | micahg, what if we went and deleted es, fr, and pt langpacks for starters | 17:06 |
| mips1911 | Why distribute gimp with xubuntu? substute it with pinta instead and those that need gimp can install it. | 17:06 |
| knome | mips1911, pinta brings in mono, so not really helpful | 17:06 |
| * micahg thinks the that languages are more core to a good ISO than gimp | 17:07 | |
| knome | micahg, me too. but how much is gimp then, if we dropped it altogehter? | 17:07 |
| knome | s/ht/th/ | 17:07 |
| micahg | at least 20MB | 17:07 |
| knome | ain't enough either | 17:07 |
| micahg | mr_pouit estimated ~40MB last time, idk if that's still true | 17:08 |
| pnarciso | how much do we have to shave | 17:08 |
| knome | pnarciso, about 54. | 17:08 |
| micahg | knome: we can try it post beta 1 and see what it does | 17:08 |
| mips1911 | installing gimp here would be a 21.5MB download and 75MB unpacked | 17:08 |
| knome | micahg, or we can ask for another respin :P | 17:09 |
| micahg | no, this isn't the type of thing to respin for (where we're not even close) | 17:09 |
| knome | micahg, your take on games then? | 17:10 |
| knome | i'd be willing to drop both gimp and all games. | 17:10 |
| knome | i simply don't think they provide much to the "xubuntu" image | 17:10 |
| pnarciso | that fine by me | 17:11 |
| micahg | knome: start with mahjongg and see what's left :) | 17:11 |
| knome | and seriously, .7MB for sudoku? :) | 17:11 |
| micahg | if we're that close, we can drop them | 17:12 |
| knome | mmh | 17:12 |
| knome | ok | 17:12 |
| knome | so can we have another of these sessions after beta1? | 17:12 |
| micahg | yeah | 17:12 |
| pnarciso | ofcourse | 17:12 |
| knome | and are you suggesting to drop anything else than mahjongg now? | 17:12 |
| knome | gimp? | 17:13 |
| pnarciso | you can drop the games, and add a shortcut to USC for people who want to install them | 17:13 |
| knome | pnarciso, it's not that easy | 17:13 |
| pnarciso | adding a shortcut in the menu that autoinstalls the missing games | 17:13 |
| knome | either we drop them and they are not "missing", or we keep them, if we think the would be "missing" | 17:14 |
| knome | then we should start creating shortcuts for whatever | 17:14 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, I'm against shortcuts to the USC | 17:15 |
| bluesabre | Kubuntu does that for Firefox | 17:15 |
| bluesabre | kinda | 17:15 |
| bluesabre | I guess there's has it's own "Installer" | 17:15 |
| knome | that's probably a case that i'd approve | 17:15 |
| knome | but not for games, really | 17:15 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 17:15 |
| pnarciso | I sugested this, to people who use xubuntu and like those games | 17:15 |
| knome | pnarciso, they can simply go to USC theirselves and install the games, no need to add a shortcut | 17:16 |
| pnarciso | For me doesn't matter much | 17:16 |
| knome | micahg, lol | 17:17 |
| knome | micahg, can you drop gnome-user-guide? :D | 17:17 |
| bluesabre | what about Transmission? I know torrents are the way to go for distributing isos, but if it takes up space? | 17:17 |
| micahg | knome: it's the docs for yelp :( | 17:18 |
| knome | micahg, but gnome? | 17:18 |
| knome | micahg, that package is huge. | 17:18 |
| knome | well, nearly 2MB ;) | 17:19 |
| knome | bluesabre, looks like transmission would bring like .7 | 17:19 |
| bluesabre | :( | 17:19 |
| knome | ok, the images are respun | 17:21 |
| knome | please test them! :) | 17:21 |
| knome | (manual paritioning along other things should work now) | 17:21 |
| knome | micahg, my last quantal amd64 download was 733MB. what was added? | 17:23 |
| micahg | good question :) | 17:23 |
| knome | that was from 22/08 | 17:24 |
| knome | so some time ago... | 17:24 |
| knome | but still, something doesn't match | 17:24 |
| bluesabre | (don't be my fault, don't be my fault) | 17:24 |
| knome | lol yeah, it must be that new catfish upload | 17:24 |
| bluesabre | and/or parole | 17:25 |
| bluesabre | or elementary-xfce | 17:25 |
| knome | catfish 0.4 - finding files in places you don't expect to find them | 17:25 |
| knome | bluesabre, you can run a test or two? | 17:26 |
| bluesabre | knome: Sure thing | 17:46 |
| knome | bluesabre, thanks | 17:46 |
| bluesabre | I'll try to sometime today | 17:46 |
| knome | yeah, deadline is 12UTC tomorrow | 17:46 |
| bluesabre | Unfortunately, I have the honor of staring at server logs for the next 4 hours | 17:46 |
| knome | lol | 17:46 |
| mips1911 | Wrt Bug#1039375 it might be gvfs related according to someone here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12219640&postcount=5 | 18:09 |
| knome | does anybody know if #1015485 has landed on Q? | 18:44 |
| knome | fss | 18:44 |
| knome | bug #1015485 | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1015485 in elementary Icons "use black 16px volume icons" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1015485 | 18:44 |
| bluesabre | If my latest changes to elementary-xfce went in, I know for sure they should be in there. But they were fixed before that | 18:48 |
| knome | i don't know which icons we are talking about | 18:49 |
| knome | if somebody tells me, i can check when i run a Q test | 18:49 |
| bluesabre | Sound menu volume icons | 18:52 |
| bluesabre | :P | 18:52 |
| bluesabre | But if the volume icon is the right color in parole, it should be fixed | 18:53 |
| bluesabre | Actually, the 16px variant is in the parole Audio menu | 18:53 |
| bluesabre | So if it's there, you should be good | 18:53 |
| knome | bug #1010487 | 19:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010487 | 19:38 |
| knome | see last comment | 19:38 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ | 19:39 |
| satya164 | btw when i click logout, it takes about a minute | 19:41 |
| satya164 | I've installed Xfce in Ubuntu by sudo apt-get install xfce4 --no-install-recommends | 19:42 |
| bluesabre | ubiquity doesn't like us :'( | 20:08 |
| knome | yeah. | 20:08 |
| bluesabre | However, amd64 installs fine in vm | 20:08 |
| bluesabre | :D | 20:08 |
| knome | "failed to create a file system" | 20:08 |
| knome | in amd64 in vbox | 20:08 |
| bluesabre | It worked for me | 20:08 |
| bluesabre | in a brand new bvm | 20:08 |
| bluesabre | *vm | 20:08 |
| knome | yeah well, probably got soemthing to do with automounting | 20:08 |
| knome | at least the new installer slideshow looks ok. | 20:10 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, the abiword screenshot is outdated though | 20:11 |
| knome | yeah, but the new version sucks visually | 20:11 |
| bluesabre | lol | 20:11 |
| knome | just cheating a little! | 20:11 |
| knome | look how i even changed the "stick" button1 | 20:11 |
| knome | ! | 20:11 |
| bluesabre | I missed that | 20:12 |
| bluesabre | :D | 20:12 |
| knome | hah, yeah | 20:12 |
| knome | meh | 20:14 |
| knome | what's the bug for failing window borders again | 20:14 |
| knome | 1043443 | 20:14 |
| pnarciso | Hey | 20:16 |
| knome | hello. | 20:17 |
| pnarciso | I just tried beta1 install | 20:17 |
| pnarciso | typing from it right now | 20:17 |
| knome | did you file the report to the iso tracker? | 20:17 |
| pnarciso | not yet | 20:17 |
| pnarciso | because is not bug free | 20:17 |
| knome | pnarciso, please do, espeicially if it isn't. | 20:17 |
| pnarciso | I have this instalation alongside windows 7 | 20:18 |
| pnarciso | entered live session | 20:18 |
| knome | the qa tracker is slow, launchpad is slow etc | 20:19 |
| pnarciso | click install xubuntu, install in custom partitions, all is well until I reach the end of the install, where I appears to have crashed because there's no indication that the instalation has finished. | 20:19 |
| knome | pnarciso, can you see if a bug has been filed for that; if not, file one | 20:20 |
| ochosi | knome: re:bugreport, i know that, but what's that to say? | 20:26 |
| knome | i don't know | 20:26 |
| knome | beta1 is horrible | 20:26 |
| knome | i'm already thinking of skipping, but i don't know how that'd help | 20:26 |
| knome | but if i keep running into errors like i do now, we might have to skip it altogether | 20:27 |
| pnarciso | what kind of errors? | 20:27 |
| ochosi | you mean skip the 12.10 release? | 20:27 |
| knome | skip beta1 | 20:27 |
| knome | pnarciso, "Failed to create a file system" | 20:27 |
| knome | ochosi, can you run a test? | 20:28 |
| pnarciso | where do you get that error? | 20:29 |
| pnarciso | on install? | 20:29 |
| ochosi | knome: not sure i still have enough time/energy tonight | 20:30 |
| ochosi | knome: but: wrt the LO bug, it seems the whole menu-problem could be confined in a package that is in recommends "lo-menubar". if that gets installed, you have the "unity-feature" of not having a regular menubar anymore | 20:31 |
| ochosi | knome: also, if i'd have enough time/energy, i'd rather pursue the ubiquity bug | 20:31 |
| knome | ochosi, aha, so we'll just blacklist that? | 20:31 |
| ochosi | knome: i dunno how/if we can | 20:32 |
| knome | we can, at least from the CD | 20:32 |
| knome | and why not the installation too | 20:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, but first we need to test t | 20:32 |
| micahg | ochosi: what's the LO bug #? | 20:36 |
| ochosi | micahg: i think you even commented on that one, will quickly dig it up again | 20:36 |
| knome | hey micahg | 20:37 |
| micahg | I see the bug, that's RC for final, but not for beta 1 since we don't ship LO | 20:37 |
| knome | micahg, can you look at #719338 | 20:37 |
| ochosi | yeah i know | 20:37 |
| pnarciso | Are you talking about openoffice missing menu? | 20:37 |
| micahg | knome: nope, I know nothing about ubiquity, as xnox | 20:38 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: yes | 20:38 |
| micahg | *ask | 20:38 |
| pnarciso | it seems that openoffice thinks it's a feature not having any menu :) | 20:38 |
| pnarciso | bug submited https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1046540 | 20:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046540 in Ubuntu CD Images "Xubuntu 12.10 beta 1 install won't show any indication that the installation had ended." [Undecided,New] | 20:38 |
| micahg | well, it doesn't have similar logic to firefox on whether it should operate when there's a globalmenu available or not | 20:39 |
| knome | micahg, what should i reply to his question? | 20:39 |
| satya164 | btw when i click logout, it takes about a minute. I've installed Xfce in Ubuntu by sudo apt-get install xfce4 --no-install-recommends | 20:39 |
| micahg | knome: who'?s | 20:39 |
| knome | micahg, xnox's | 20:39 |
| knome | Dear xubuntu-devs, would you like to change your default livecd settings to stop automounting or would you like ubiquity to do subprocess.call to flip that key off: | 20:39 |
| knome | xfconf-query -c thunar-volman -p /automount-drives/enabled -s false | 20:39 |
| ochosi | satya164: did you look at ~/.xsession-errors? | 20:39 |
| satya164 | ochosi: not yet | 20:39 |
| ochosi | satya164: that's a good place to start i think | 20:40 |
| satya164 | ochosi: it logs out, but takes about a minute | 20:40 |
| satya164 | ochosi: and if i again click logout or shut down, it says | 20:40 |
| ochosi | satya164: you could also open a terminal, run "top" and then hit logout and see what consumes your cpu | 20:40 |
| satya164 | "Session manager should be in idle state" | 20:40 |
| satya164 | must be | 20:40 |
| micahg | pnarciso: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity | 20:41 |
| micahg | knome: not sure what we should do with that, probably needs discussion | 20:42 |
| knome | micahg, bug #1046536 :( | 20:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046536 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Failed to create a file system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046536 | 20:42 |
| knome | micahg, probably an implication of letting disks automount | 20:42 |
| ochosi | i'd vote in favor or switching auto-mounting off | 20:43 |
| ochosi | ppl can easily mount drives by clicking on them | 20:43 |
| ochosi | and it's just a potential error-source for the installer (because it has to unmount them before partitioning) | 20:43 |
| micahg | something seems buggy somewhere | 20:44 |
| ochosi | hehe | 20:44 |
| ochosi | micahg: may i quote you on that? :) | 20:44 |
| micahg | the installer shouldn't offer to erase and install on a mounted disk | 20:44 |
| micahg | ochosi: crud, I did mention it | 20:48 |
| pnarciso | could the errors related to mounted devices be related to this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375 | 20:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:55 |
| knome | more likely bug #719338, but that can be another implication of that | 20:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 719338 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Xubuntu, Studio?, Lubuntu?] Disable automount" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719338 | 20:55 |
| pnarciso | because it was about the same time that instalations started to fail. Alpha 3 installed fine. | 20:56 |
| knome | we need to do many tests after beta1. | 20:56 |
| knome | i won't be around much tomorrow, but i will log in to see if we will release beta 1 at all or not | 20:57 |
| * micahg goes away for a bit | 20:57 | |
| knome | if other people seem to be getting ok results, then we can probably release | 20:57 |
| pnarciso | I gladly test and report issues | 20:57 |
| knome | otherwise, i'm not keeping high hopes | 20:58 |
| knome | pnarciso, if you are able, please run more tests for beta1 | 20:58 |
| pnarciso | yes, it's running :) | 20:58 |
| knome | ok, good | 20:58 |
| knome | i don't mind if you run them all. | 20:58 |
| pnarciso | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-droid-sans-fonts.conf", line 103: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not works as expected | 20:59 |
| pnarciso | this error still shows on a lot of fonts | 20:59 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think everyone is getting those warnings | 20:59 |
| knome | yup | 20:59 |
| satya164 | yeah, i also get | 20:59 |
| knome | ochosi, anything you need from me until i'm gone? | 20:59 |
| knome | others too | 20:59 |
| * micahg wonders why xubuntu has various libreoffice packages as supported, will have to fix later | 20:59 | |
| ochosi | knome: fix ubiquity! (or get someone to fix it) | 20:59 |
| knome | ochosi, eh, how? :P | 21:00 |
| knome | and what in it | 21:00 |
| ochosi | knome: dunno, use your special XPL powers! | 21:00 |
| knome | i believe you should talk with micahg or mr_pouit | 21:00 |
| pnarciso | install process and graphical glitches on install must be top priority | 21:00 |
| ochosi | well, the loading of greybird and disabling the compositor | 21:00 |
| knome | while micahg said he doesn't know ubiquity, i believe this is rather a problem on how to launch xfce | 21:01 |
| knome | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187454/ | 21:01 |
| knome | that's our best lead. | 21:01 |
| knome | and it's probably a good one | 21:01 |
| pnarciso | I don't think this installation issues are related only to xfce, I think ubuntu itself gave this issues | 21:01 |
| ochosi | knome: is cjwatson still around? | 21:02 |
| knome | ochosi, doesn't look like he is | 21:03 |
| ochosi | hm ok | 21:03 |
| ochosi | where can i usually find him? | 21:03 |
| knome | but i don't think we could afford another respin even if he was | 21:03 |
| knome | #ubuntu-release | 21:03 |
| ochosi | ok | 21:03 |
| ochosi | i'll look into it | 21:03 |
| knome | that's where the discussion on the pastebin happened as well | 21:03 |
| knome | xnox might be around later today | 21:03 |
| ochosi | ok, we'll see | 21:05 |
| knome | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187842/ | 21:06 |
| knome | pasted the whole log there | 21:06 |
| knome | including the bug stuff, so you'll get context for "second one" | 21:06 |
| ochosi | mhm | 21:07 |
| ochosi | looking at the ubiquity source now | 21:07 |
| knome | yeah | 21:07 |
| knome | it's as easy as "knome can read it" | 21:08 |
| ochosi | i assume that the wrong frontend is detected | 21:09 |
| knome | well yeah, there you go | 21:10 |
| ochosi | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity#L230 | 21:10 |
| knome | If frontend is None, defaults to the first of gtk_ui, kde_ui, and debconf_ui that exists. | 21:10 |
| knome | shouldn't that work with that fallback too though? | 21:10 |
| knome | wait | 21:11 |
| knome | that's the wrong file | 21:11 |
| knome | :P | 21:11 |
| knome | try http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm | 21:11 |
| knome | like, line 413 | 21:11 |
| knome | and/or 390 | 21:12 |
| ochosi | i guess we could look into replacing that xfwm4 command somehow | 21:13 |
| knome | exactly. | 21:13 |
| ochosi | with "xfwm4 --compositor=off" | 21:13 |
| ochosi | and voila | 21:13 |
| knome | but i don't know what parameters we should give, and how to test ubiquity | 21:13 |
| ochosi | that's all | 21:13 |
| ochosi | xfwm4 has a builtin switch | 21:13 |
| ochosi | with that the compositing problems should go away | 21:14 |
| knome | even the black things? | 21:14 |
| knome | or is that another issue | 21:14 |
| ochosi | nope | 21:14 |
| ochosi | that is a different story | 21:14 |
| knome | ok, so what do you think that is about? | 21:15 |
| ochosi | i assume it's a problem with xfsettingsd | 21:15 |
| knome | the screenshot i pasted on the bug looks like it's not greybird | 21:16 |
| knome | it's probably partly that, but there's some fallback stuff | 21:16 |
| ochosi | it's definitely not greybird :) | 21:16 |
| ochosi | it could be that there is no theme set via xfsettingsd | 21:17 |
| knome | line 413 then | 21:17 |
| ochosi | i guess | 21:17 |
| ochosi | but i don't know enough about what it does with xfsettingsd | 21:17 |
| knome | looks like it just runs it | 21:17 |
| ochosi | if it just loads it, it could be that xfsettingsd loads all our settings which would prolly re-enable the compositor, although i'm not 100% sure about that | 21:18 |
| ochosi | because the compositor-option has to be set when xfwm4 is started | 21:18 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 21:18 |
| ochosi | (afaik) | 21:18 |
| knome | but if it's in the settings, but you run xfwm4 with the parameter, shouldn't the parameter override anyway? | 21:18 |
| ochosi | i'd hope yes | 21:18 |
| ochosi | that would give us the solid gold option of not having compositing in the "install only" mode and compositing in the desktop-session and as default setting | 21:19 |
| knome | yup | 21:19 |
| knome | can you follow the path on investigating if we have set a theme in xfsettingsd? | 21:19 |
| ochosi | btw, what's up with that: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm#L377 | 21:20 |
| ochosi | well, where can i find xnox? | 21:20 |
| knome | #ubuntu-release :D | 21:20 |
| ochosi | ok | 21:20 |
| ochosi | so they're all hanging out there, ha? | 21:20 |
| ochosi | :) | 21:20 |
| knome | yeah, they are | 21:21 |
| knome | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1043170 | 21:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1043170 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Update Xubuntu wallpaper for Quantal" [Undecided,New] | 21:21 |
| knome | last comment | 21:21 |
| ochosi | if ubiquity-greeter wasn't so hard to test... | 21:22 |
| knome | ochosi, the happy thing is that all stgraber, cjwatson and xnox seem to be nice guys. the situation could be worse... | 21:30 |
| ochosi | true | 21:30 |
| ochosi | btw, what image would you recommend for me now? | 21:30 |
| knome | anything that isn't tested | 21:30 |
| ochosi | dailies didn't work well i read before? | 21:30 |
| ochosi | no, i need something that _works_ so i can test ubiquity :p | 21:31 |
| knome | i was able to install amd64 | 21:31 |
| ochosi | there are only alternate images: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ | 21:32 |
| knome | shoo | 21:32 |
| knome | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 21:32 |
| knome | try the -live :P | 21:32 |
| knome | if we can get i386 non-oversized ("only" 29MB overhead), that'd be fine for Q | 21:34 |
| ochosi | purge the office suite? | 21:36 |
| knome | purge gimp :P | 21:36 |
| knome | we dropped mahjongg | 21:36 |
| knome | :P | 21:36 |
| ochosi | hehe | 21:36 |
| knome | but yeah.... purging the office suite would suit me well (pun intended) | 21:36 |
| ochosi | let's drop more games | 21:36 |
| knome | haha | 21:37 |
| knome | they're not gonna be as big as mj | 21:37 |
| knome | that was 2.5MB ! | 21:37 |
| ochosi | WOW :) | 21:37 |
| knome | other games are <1MB | 21:37 |
| ochosi | that doesn't even fit on a floppy! ;) | 21:37 |
| knome | but together probably about 2MB'ish | 21:38 |
| knome | yeah | 21:38 |
| knome | Size: 762676 | 21:38 |
| knome | REALLY, 700kb+ for SUDOKU? | 21:38 |
| ochosi | fancy graphics when for the "win"-screen? :) | 21:39 |
| knome | but yeah, amd64 is 757MB :P | 21:39 |
| knome | so.. there's a few things to drop there. | 21:39 |
| ochosi | we should probably decide whether to 1) forget about CDs or 2) forget about certain software by default | 21:39 |
| knome | yup. | 21:40 |
| knome | if we forget CDs, we can probably just barely add mahjongg back to fit a 1GB usb stick | 21:40 |
| knome | probably need to lose it on 13.04 again though | 21:40 |
| knome | (: | 21:40 |
| ochosi | we could (instead of alternate) ship two versions: one more minimal for cd, and one for 2gb usb sticks | 21:41 |
| ochosi | anyhoo | 21:41 |
| knome | 1GB would work well enough | 21:41 |
| ochosi | how do i get to a tty in vbox again | 21:41 |
| knome | that's what ubuntu is doing | 21:41 |
| knome | i'm not willing to drop arches really, and i think locking one arch for non-CDs is suboptimal | 21:42 |
| knome | though it is relatively fine, since most amd64 users probably have a pc that's able to boot from usb | 21:42 |
| knome | anyway, i'm off too | 21:43 |
| knome | see you tomorrow (briefly, got lots to do/where to go) | 21:43 |
| knome | pleia2, i'm seeing the guy running the linux courses with xubuntu tomorrow, btw | 21:44 |
| knome | and i haven't planned at all.. | 21:44 |
| knome | i need to wake up earlyish :) | 21:44 |
| knome | anyway, bbl. see you | 21:44 |
| pnarciso | see ya | 21:47 |
| pleia2 | knome: good luck :) | 23:00 |
| ochosi | anyone here knows where i can find the ubiquity bug with the grey borders stuff? | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | knome mentioned it earlier I think | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | on this channel (I think) | 23:07 |
| ochosi | i think i found it | 23:07 |
| ochosi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/924909 | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 924909 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Windows have grey traces in Ubiquity" [Medium,Confirmed] | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | woot | 23:07 |
| ochosi | it's quite mislinked though (no relevance to metacity or xfwm4) | 23:07 |
| ochosi | i'm happy to say i have a fix for that | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | yay! Receiving objects: 100% (307429/307429), 207.83 MiB | 531 KiB/s, done. | 23:08 |
| ochosi | wow | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | stupid gtk | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | awesome ochosi! | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | How crazy of a fix is it? | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | yay ochosi! | 23:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: simply disable the compositor in the ubiquity-only session | 23:09 |
| ochosi | we had that on our roadmap | 23:09 |
| ochosi | but astraljava didn't have the time to look into it | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | ah | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | cool | 23:09 |
| ochosi | actually i wanted to fix another issue, but this kinda "came up" | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | any idea what's going on with the undecorated, black windows? | 23:10 |
| ochosi | ? | 23:10 |
| ochosi | undecorated? that's new | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | it has the borders | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | but the widgets are windows95-ish | 23:10 |
| ochosi | woot | 23:10 |
| ochosi | where what? | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | knome logged it earlier | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | I'm on the wrong partition right now | 23:10 |
| bluesabre | otherwise I'd give you a good link | 23:11 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:11 |
| bluesabre | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1010487 | 23:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] | 23:12 |
| bluesabre | last comment | 23:12 |
| ochosi | oh right | 23:12 |
| ochosi | yeah, that was the one i was working on | 23:12 |
| bluesabre | cool | 23:12 |
| ochosi | when i realized we can simply switch off the compositor and do away with the grey traces at least | 23:12 |
| ochosi | supposedly our bug is also fixed by xnox | 23:12 |
| ochosi | i tried to test it, but i'd have to rebuild ubiquity in live-usb-mode from cli... | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | gross | 23:13 |
| ochosi | well modifying ubiquity from term and restarting it is fine | 23:13 |
| ochosi | well, try to download a file from bzr from the commandline | 23:14 |
| ochosi | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/quantal-proposed/view/head:/gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui | 23:14 |
| ochosi | (hover the download-link please :) ) | 23:14 |
| bluesabre | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubiquity/quantal-proposed/download/head:/liveinstaller.glade-20051205083503-da5c123079d20cb5/ubiquity.ui | 23:16 |
| ochosi | yes, i know. but thanks for posting it ;) | 23:16 |
| ochosi | i'm installing bzr now from cli on the live-system | 23:16 |
| ochosi | then it'll be a tad easier | 23:16 |
| ochosi | boo, bzr is so slow... | 23:21 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so, how many GB does gtk2 have? | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | GB? | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | size? | 23:21 |
| ochosi | yup | 23:21 |
| bluesabre | apparently 200 mb of source code | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | actually | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | thats compressed | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | 312.4 MB uncompressed | 23:22 |
| ochosi | not too bad | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | I wonder if I should extend a custom GtkWidget for this stuff | 23:23 |
| ochosi | btw, did kalikiana's hints get you any further? | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | a little bit | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | I need to add a muxer to gtkwidget though | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | which is still probably not the way to do it | 23:25 |
| ochosi | no clue what a muxer is :) | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | me neither | 23:27 |
| ochosi | sounds like a musical filter | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | but it exists in gtk2 | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | but not as a variable of GtkWidget | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | There is no easy way to do this it seems | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | -_- | 23:28 |
| ochosi | humm, this looks like a small improvement | 23:29 |
| ochosi | http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09062012-013002am.php | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | woot! | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | gotta go, bbl | 23:32 |
| ochosi | ttyl | 23:32 |
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