| JontheEchidna | I'm surprised, the university has us using a linux lab, (gnome3, yech) and we can remotely submit assignments via scp/ssh. | 04:40 |
|---|---|---|
| JontheEchidna | (and that linux lab is what we're using for this class) | 04:40 |
| shadeslayer | morning | 05:04 |
| soee | Riddell, i did upgrade during the night 12.04 -> 12.10 | 06:18 |
| soee | but had no time to reboot machine and check if everyting is ok | 06:18 |
| soee | but upgrade finished without any errors | 06:19 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: order coffee | 06:33 |
| * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger. | 06:33 | |
| apachelogger | kubotu: order a lot more coffee | 06:33 |
| * kubotu slides a lot more coffee down the bar to apachelogger | 06:33 | |
| apachelogger | good news everyone! | 06:38 |
| apachelogger | libs is building, pim-runtime continues to fail, still 3 packages missing | 06:38 |
| apachelogger | oh, actually it's more than 3 | 06:39 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 06:39 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 06:54 | |
| shadeslayer | yay, stupid chrome still hit by that stupid bug | 06:54 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: have you seen martin's email to kde-packagers about some critical bug | 06:55 |
| shadeslayer | pim-runtime ftbfs is weird | 06:56 |
| shadeslayer | !find libxerces | 06:57 |
| ubottu | Found: libxerces2-java, libxerces2-java-doc, libxerces2-java-gcj, libxerces-c-dev, libxerces-c-doc | 06:57 |
| * shadeslayer fixes | 06:57 | |
| shadeslayer | bleh | 07:00 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no | 07:02 |
| apachelogger | todo: | 07:02 |
| apachelogger | - workspace | 07:02 |
| apachelogger | * kwin patch | 07:02 |
| shadeslayer | whut | 07:02 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 07:02 |
| shadeslayer | awesum | 07:02 |
| apachelogger | my notes file apparently has | 07:02 |
| apachelogger | don't ask me how | 07:02 |
| apachelogger | text files are getting all intelligent Oo | 07:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: this is the first I'm facing this .. but should kdepim-runtime dep on libxerces-c-dev or libxerces-c3.1 | 07:04 |
| shadeslayer | because libxerces-c3.1 was pulled in automatically earlier | 07:04 |
| shadeslayer | but libxerces-c-dev was never pulled in | 07:04 |
| shadeslayer | and I've never seen a build dep on just a library ... always on lib headers | 07:04 |
| * shadeslayer is going to install precise this weekend, quantal's X is absolutely unusable | 07:06 | |
| shadeslayer | mmm ... need to sync github ff-kde with precise packaging | 07:08 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: where is the error anyway? | 07:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: can't find libs to link against I believe ( needs libxerces-c3.1 ) | 07:08 |
| apachelogger | ah | 07:09 |
| apachelogger | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxerces-c.so', needed by `resources/kolabproxy/akonadi_kolabproxy_resource'. Stop. | 07:09 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 07:09 |
| apachelogger | why it appears the lib had a packaging error if the -dev was not pulled in | 07:09 |
| shadeslayer | that was pulled in automagically earlier | 07:09 |
| apachelogger | OR that dep is new | 07:09 |
| shadeslayer | the former | 07:09 |
| apachelogger | bogus packaging then | 07:09 |
| shadeslayer | mhmm | 07:09 |
| apachelogger | OR that .so is in fact not public | 07:09 |
| apachelogger | (i.e. usually that .so would be a link to the sonamed version e.g. xerces-c.so.0.0.0, but it is only needed to find that sonamed version, thus only a dev requirement, so it should only be in -dev) | 07:10 |
| shadeslayer | ETOOTIREDTOPARSEERROR | 07:12 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: please push your missing change to kdentwork | 07:13 |
| apachelogger | only things missing should be network and mplayerthumbs now | 07:14 |
| apachelogger | and former needs packaging to begin with | 07:14 |
| shadeslayer | kk | 07:14 |
| apachelogger | actually latter | 07:15 |
| * apachelogger needs moar coffeee | 07:15 | |
| shadeslayer | I just had coffee and I'm barely awake :| | 07:16 |
| CIA-58 | [kdenetwork] Rohan Garg * 184 * debian/ (6 files in 2 dirs) * Compile with telepathy-qt support for krfb - Add fix_missing_header_include.diff to fix libvncviewer FTBFS | 07:17 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^ kfixed | 07:17 |
| shadeslayer | you probably want to drop that patch | 07:17 |
| shadeslayer | I pushed it into SVN as well, so was most likely included in 4.9.1 | 07:18 |
| * shadeslayer tickles apachelogger | 07:19 | |
| apachelogger | I do like dropping patches | 07:21 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: not the case | 07:24 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 07:24 |
| shadeslayer | does SVN have branches? | 07:24 |
| shadeslayer | because I just pushed to master | 07:24 |
| apachelogger | SVN has definitely no master :P | 07:24 |
| apachelogger | also what's with the patch naming there? | 07:24 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 07:25 |
| shadeslayer | simple_and_generic_names.ftw | 07:25 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: u fixing pim-runtime? | 07:26 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I'm not sure what would be the /right/ way to do things there | 07:27 |
| apachelogger | add the build dep? :P | 07:27 |
| shadeslayer | sure, but on the library or the header files :P | 07:27 |
| apachelogger | the one that contains the .so?! | 07:27 |
| shadeslayer | !find /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxerces-c.so | 07:28 |
| ubottu | Package/file /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxerces-c.so does not exist in quantal | 07:28 |
| shadeslayer | wat | 07:28 |
| apachelogger | !find libxerces-c.so quantal | 07:28 |
| ubottu | Package/file libxerces-c.so does not exist in quantal | 07:28 |
| shadeslayer | tehehehe | 07:28 |
| apachelogger | funny | 07:28 |
| apachelogger | !info libxerces-c-dev | 07:29 |
| ubottu | libxerces-c-dev (source: xerces-c): validating XML parser library for C++ (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1-3 (quantal), package size 2849 kB, installed size 15281 kB | 07:29 |
| apachelogger | !info libxerces-c-dev quantal | 07:29 |
| apachelogger | ... | 07:29 |
| apachelogger | I broke it | 07:29 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 07:29 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: have you mooed today | 07:30 |
| shadeslayer | !find libxerces-c-3.1.so | 07:31 |
| ubottu | Package/file libxerces-c-3.1.so does not exist in quantal | 07:31 |
| shadeslayer | @_@ | 07:31 |
| apachelogger | libxerces-c-dev | 07:31 |
| shadeslayer | ya | 07:31 |
| MCR1 | Hi. Some people have troubles running python-qt4 applications on Quantal like the packages qbzr or trimage. They all fail with the same error: Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed. | 07:37 |
| MCR1 | Who can fix this ? | 07:37 |
| MCR1 | I was told by didrocks that I might find the experts here :) | 07:37 |
| agateau | MCR1: sounds like a bug in the qgtk widget style | 07:38 |
| agateau | MCR1: do you get the same crash when running the app with "-style plastique" options | 07:39 |
| agateau | ? | 07:39 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: fix uploaded | 07:39 |
| MCR1 | agateau: one moment, checking :) | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | thx | 07:40 |
| MCR1 | agateau: wooow, this time a new crash. I could not start qbzr with this option, but when I tried trimage I got these errors: | 07:42 |
| MCR1 | agateau: QNativeImage: Unable to attach to shared memory segment. | 07:43 |
| MCR1 | X Error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) 9 | 07:43 |
| MCR1 | Major opcode: 62 (X_CopyArea) | 07:43 |
| agateau | wow | 07:43 |
| shadeslayer | O_O | 07:44 |
| MCR1 | trimage essentially opens in a 5000x5000 pixel window with completely black content | 07:45 |
| tsdgeos | agateau: if you're bored, assistant is crashing too (different issue altogether) | 07:45 |
| agateau | tsdgeos: I am not bored :) | 07:45 |
| tsdgeos | daminit! | 07:46 |
| agateau | MCR1: if "-style plastique" does not work, you can try running qtconfig and change the style from there | 07:46 |
| agateau | MCR1: the gtk widget assert reminds me of a problem when overlay scrollbars where used with qgtk style | 07:46 |
| agateau | MCR1: iirc there is an environment variable to disable overlay scrollbars which you could try to set before running qbzr or trimage | 07:47 |
| apachelogger | (overlay scrollbars ought to be deactivated in Qt directly) | 07:48 |
| apachelogger | in quantal anyway | 07:48 |
| MCR1 | agateau: Okay, with style plastique qbzr now seems to work | 07:48 |
| agateau | MCR1: (or you can just uninstall overlay scrollbars temporarily) | 07:48 |
| MCR1 | agateau: It was using GTK+ before | 07:48 |
| agateau | apachelogger: I wrote a set of patches to disable overlay scrollbars for oneiric, don't know if they are still there | 07:48 |
| * agateau bets either the qt side or the gtk side of the patch got dropped | 07:49 | |
| MCR1 | agateau: but trimage still fails to open... | 07:49 |
| apachelogger | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qt/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_93_disable_overlay_scrollbars.diff | 07:49 |
| MCR1 | trimage error: "sni-qt/3721" WARN 09:49:15.767 void StatusNotifierItemFactory::connectToSnw() Invalid interface to SNW_SERVICE | 07:50 |
| MCR1 | then: QNativeImage: Unable to attach to shared memory segment. | 07:50 |
| agateau | apachelogger: looks good, can you check for the gtk patch? | 07:50 |
| apachelogger | I could | 07:50 |
| apachelogger | that requires more time then | 07:50 |
| apachelogger | and I am already distracted enough | 07:50 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: please go look for patch in gtk | 07:50 |
| agateau | :) | 07:51 |
| shadeslayer | I'm looking at preinst stuff | 07:51 |
| shadeslayer | and not caffeinated enough | 07:51 |
| agateau | MCR1: the sni-qt can be ignored I think, the real problem is the 5000x5000 window | 07:51 |
| * apachelogger pokes with a long pointy stick of foofoo | 07:51 | |
| agateau | I do not run Quantal yet, so it's difficult to help more | 07:52 |
| * MCR1 tries to pull coffee into the LAN cable... | 07:52 | |
| * agateau creates a Quantal VM | 07:52 | |
| MCR1 | agateau: Yes, I do not exactly know if it is 5000x5000, but it is scary big ;) | 07:52 |
| MCR1 | agateau: The compiz close animation of it almost kills my system ;) | 07:53 |
| * MCR1 hopes that the Compiz issues with virtual machines have already been fixed | 07:55 | |
| * MCR1 tries to update his vbox quantal installation... | 07:55 | |
| agateau | MCR1: can you try to 1) set the Qt style back to GTK 2) run qbzr with "LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 qbzr"? | 08:00 |
| agateau | apachelogger: gtk patch is still there | 08:00 |
| MCR1 | agateau: The syntax to run qbzr is "bzr qbzr log" for example, so I am not sure how to add LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 to that... | 08:03 |
| agateau | MCR1: you can run qbzr directly iirc | 08:04 |
| MCR1 | ? | 08:04 |
| agateau | oh, no you can't | 08:05 |
| apachelogger | qbzr is a set of plugins to bzr | 08:05 |
| apachelogger | so simply set the var for bzr | 08:05 |
| agateau | MCR1: then try LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 bzr qlog | 08:05 |
| * agateau hasn't used bzr for a long time :) | 08:05 | |
| * apachelogger envys agateau | 08:06 | |
| agateau | apachelogger: you not loving the bazaar ? | 08:06 |
| MCR1 | agateau: WORX :) | 08:06 |
| apachelogger | no! | 08:06 |
| jussi | bazaar sounds to me like somethign a japanese soldier would shout when charging... :P | 08:06 |
| agateau | that would be tora tora tora :) | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: please be reviewing lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/mplayerthumbs | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | oh noes | 08:08 |
| shadeslayer | looking | 08:08 |
| apachelogger | the netwox is failing | 08:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: are you sure you want to have a install file? | 08:09 |
| shadeslayer | it's just one package :P | 08:09 |
| MCR1 | agateau: So basically we found out that liboverlay_scrollbars are breaking GTK+ qt apps in Quantal, yes ? Now 1.How do we fix it ? 2.What about the scary big window ? :-D | 08:10 |
| MCR1 | *of trimage | 08:11 |
| agateau | MCR1: can you try the LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR trick with trimage as well? | 08:11 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: are you sure you want to insinuate that I have a useless install file? | 08:12 |
| MCR1 | yes ofc. - but I guess there it was another problem, because I already changed the style to plastique, but I'll try... | 08:12 |
| apachelogger | it's two packages :P | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | well | 08:12 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: before trying to smartass me, check your facts you lazy bum :P | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: again, I don't think the install file is required :P | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | it is | 08:13 |
| shadeslayer | why | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | dh does not care that a package has a -dbg suffix | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | to it there are two packages | 08:13 |
| MCR1 | agateau: The trick does not do the trick for trimage unfortunately... | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | meaning debian/tmp does not get automatically thrown into package A) | 08:13 |
| shadeslayer | and why are you not using dh --with-kde ? | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | dunno, stole that from dragon | 08:14 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | I recon the include takes care of that | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | on that not | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | e | 08:14 |
| shadeslayer | seems that it does | 08:15 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 08:15 |
| apachelogger | the build system we use is utterly untransparent and whatnot | 08:15 |
| apachelogger | also ever changing | 08:15 |
| apachelogger | I find this bad and a solution must therefore be found | 08:15 |
| agateau | MCR1: ok, so trimage problem is a different bug | 08:16 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ok, ship it | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | needs FFe | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | unless the binary from 4.8 is still in | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | which would be spooky | 08:17 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | yah, needs FFe | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | anyone in mood for a FFe? | 08:17 |
| agateau | MCR1: fixing it is going to require running Quantal Qt in gdb to figure out what the problem is | 08:17 |
| shadeslayer | I've annoyed the release team too much :P | 08:17 |
| agateau | MCR1: that is not going to happen today | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | Subject: Review Request: Add phonon-vlc option to disable PulseAudio support | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | why this should be fun | 08:18 |
| * agateau is still download quantal iso from his loosy connection | 08:18 | |
| apachelogger | also wrong channel | 08:18 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 08:18 |
| MCR1 | agateau: Yes, unfortunately - maybe it is best I'll file a bug against the trimage package as well, but I am not sure if it is still actively developed... | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: pim-runtime still failing | 08:18 |
| * shadeslayer opens furryfox | 08:19 | |
| MCR1 | agateau: Thx a lot for your fast help. Ping me if you need any testing or so... | 08:19 |
| shadeslayer | [ 95%] make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libboost_thread-mt.so', needed by `resources/kolabproxy/akonadi_kolabproxy_resource'. Stop. | 08:20 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 08:20 |
| shadeslayer | !find libboost_thread-mt.so | 08:21 |
| ubottu | Package/file libboost_thread-mt.so does not exist in quantal | 08:21 |
| agateau | MCR1: ok | 08:21 |
| shadeslayer | most likely needs libboost-thread-dev | 08:21 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 08:22 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: stop eet :P | 08:22 |
| apachelogger | what's with ET? | 08:22 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you may want to add libboost-dev | 08:26 |
| shadeslayer | mhmm | 08:27 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: libboost1.49-dev is already there | 08:28 |
| shadeslayer | Suggests: libboost-thread1.49-dev | 08:29 |
| apachelogger | ah | 08:32 |
| apachelogger | silly | 08:32 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: fixed | 08:35 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: how about we start setting up 4.9.1 imports and give packaging with recipes a shot later on | 08:37 |
| shadeslayer | bzr with recipes will make so much sense >.> | 08:38 |
| shadeslayer | you could have a dedicated PPA for 4.9 where whenever someone fixes something in the 4.9 branch it gets packaged and uploaded to the QA ppa | 08:38 |
| shadeslayer | then after spending 10 days in QA, we can release to Archive | 08:39 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ok, you've just gone mad | 08:39 |
| shadeslayer | why? :P | 08:39 |
| apachelogger | you are talking about relying lunchpad to do things | 08:39 |
| shadeslayer | actually, recipes are quite reliable | 08:39 |
| shadeslayer | we use them for neon don't we ? :D | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 08:40 |
| shadeslayer | I wonder if there's a API to setup git imports | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | I did not notice you are packaging from tags | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | which BTW is not supported | 08:40 |
| shadeslayer | we .. are? | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | so what you end up doing then is looking at git to identify which commit is tagged | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | and then pin point the bzr revision that is that commit and set that in your recipe | 08:41 |
| shadeslayer | afaik we just import git master and package it up | 08:41 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 08:41 |
| apachelogger | do we do that for stable? | 08:41 |
| shadeslayer | sure, instead of importing master, impor the 4.9 branch | 08:41 |
| apachelogger | do we do that for stable? | 08:41 |
| shadeslayer | lp supports importing git branches | 08:41 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: no, but we should | 08:42 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 08:42 |
| apachelogger | so instead of packaging a QA'd snapshot of git we package a not QA'd snapshot of git | 08:42 |
| apachelogger | why that sounds like an improvement | 08:42 |
| shadeslayer | use specific revisions then | 08:43 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 08:43 |
| apachelogger | read what I wrote about that | 08:43 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: it's just a bit of work, but then lp does most of the heavylifting | 08:43 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: a bit? | 08:44 |
| apachelogger | 200 times manual look up of a commit | 08:44 |
| apachelogger | *manual* | 08:44 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 08:44 |
| shadeslayer | ok, bad idea | 08:48 |
| shadeslayer | aaannnnddd kdepim-runtime fails again | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | lol | 09:10 |
| soee | :) | 09:10 |
| shadeslayer | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so', needed by `resources/kolabproxy/akonadi_kolabproxy_resource'. Stop. | 09:11 |
| shadeslayer | #$@#@%#$#@ | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | seriously? | 09:11 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | are you sure kolabproxy is not new? | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | idk | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | that seems like a lot of missing lib foo for a patch release TBH | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | !find kolabproxy | 09:12 |
| ubottu | Package/file kolabproxy does not exist in quantal | 09:12 |
| Riddell | it's in /usr/bin/akonadi_kolabproxy_resource | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the underlying stack changed alot I think | 09:12 |
| Riddell | kdepim-runtime: /usr/bin/akonadi_kolabproxy_resource | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | so, if we rebuild kdepim-runtime from archives, I'm certain it'll fail | 09:12 |
| soee | Riddell, did you read my message ? | 09:35 |
| Riddell | soee: your upgrade worked? | 09:36 |
| Riddell | record it on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22516/testcases ! | 09:37 |
| soee | Riddell, upgrade yes without eny erros but i had no time to reboot and check how system works im gonna do it when i came home today | 09:37 |
| soee | Riddell, but it wasn't iso | 09:38 |
| soee | just simple distibution upgrade | 09:38 |
| Riddell | yes that's an important test case, recorded on same tracker website | 09:40 |
| soee | also it was 64bit | 09:40 |
| soee | o some of this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22627/testcases ? | 09:42 |
| Riddell | no upgrade is separate, search for upgrade kubuntu on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds | 09:43 |
| soee | ok, done | 09:44 |
| Riddell | thanks | 09:47 |
| soee | beta 1 uses lightdm right as kdm was removed completly during upgrade process ? | 09:57 |
| Riddell | yes | 09:59 |
| shadeslayer | mmm .. anyone have a idea how I can actually *lower* the resolution on KVM? | 10:07 |
| shadeslayer | or set a fixed resolution | 10:08 |
| Riddell | ug our old kubuntu friend stylman in trouble http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/05/1238214/bitfloor-joins-list-of-compromised-bitcoin-exchanges | 10:26 |
| shadeslayer | oh my | 10:31 |
| shadeslayer | I can only hope he didn't lose alot of money | 10:34 |
| shadeslayer | no idea how that bitcoin stuff works tbh | 10:34 |
| apachelogger | wikipedia has the good info | 10:34 |
| apachelogger | I cannot explain as I always end up spewing sarcasm all over the coins | 10:35 |
| Riddell | maybe I shouldn't have distracted him with Edinburgh Festival shows | 10:35 |
| * apachelogger goes all meh on release packaging | 10:50 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: runtime still ftbfsing? | 10:50 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I didn't fix it yet | 10:51 |
| shadeslayer | was fixing some other stuff | 10:51 |
| shadeslayer | ok, I can look at it now | 11:17 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: hm, no dev package for curl | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | well .. there's libcurl4-gnutls-dev | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | and libcurl4-nss-dev | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | hmmm ... nvm | 11:23 |
| * shadeslayer crosses fingers and hopes pim-runtime builds now | 11:26 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 11:39 |
| apachelogger | ~quantalX~ppaX or ~quantal~ppaX or ~ppaX~quantalX? | 11:39 |
| * apachelogger thinks the last one is wrong | 11:39 | |
| Riddell | ~quantalX~ppaX is typical | 11:40 |
| apachelogger | but why number the series? | 11:40 |
| Riddell | hmm, just to fit in nicely with backports ~quantalX | 11:41 |
| Riddell | but I guess it's not necessary | 11:41 |
| apachelogger | perhaps ScottK has a rationale for the X | 11:41 |
| Riddell | fit in nicely isn't a good rationale? | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | no, I meant why backports has it | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | ah | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | nvm | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | now I get it | 11:45 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/544838/ | 11:48 |
| apachelogger | bash supremacy I say | 11:48 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 11:50 |
| shadeslayer | yay | 11:54 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: fix kdepim runtime so version stuff | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: hm? | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | simply bump everything to .1 | 11:57 |
| shadeslayer | doing some other stuff | 11:57 |
| shadeslayer | fix it fix it fix it | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | albert had this great idea of bumping that stuff globaly | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | nah | 11:57 |
| * apachelogger is fed up with .1 | 11:58 | |
| apachelogger | should have been done in 12 hours, yet it's 3 days now | 11:58 |
| Riddell | this is always the case with SC releases | 11:58 |
| Riddell | they always take longer than it seems they ought to | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | nah | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | the automation is not scaling | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | and bugged | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: what is khighestversion doing? | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | oh, who would have known, I already hacked a script for ppa uploads | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | slightly dumb version tho | 12:08 |
| bambee | I never understood why IM clients has both notifications support: message indicator & KDE notifications, I mean it's a kind of double notification for a single message. It would be nice to be able to disable them. For example, only get notifications for the indicator message (at work it is more inconspicuous ) | 12:52 |
| bambee | imho | 12:52 |
| bambee | hi btw | 12:52 |
| Riddell | yes that would be my preferred setting | 12:53 |
| Riddell | having support for both is fine but only 1 by default generally | 12:53 |
| bambee | I agree, at least for quassel and kde-telepathy it would be nice... I will take a look at it | 12:55 |
| Riddell | bambee: well telepathy doesn't have message-indicator alas | 12:57 |
| bulldog98_ | apachelogger: get’s the latest version from the secret loctaion | 13:00 |
| bulldog98_ | get’s the versionnumber | 13:01 |
| === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter | ||
| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1046820] touch support seems broken since qt4-x11-4.8.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046820 (by Canmor Lam) | 13:32 |
| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1046825] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: lectura insuficiente en b... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046825 (by starky_00) | 13:32 |
| ScottK | BTW, backports has switched to a version number model, e.g. ~12.04.1 instead of name based (~precise1) so that we survive alphabet rollover here in a few years. | 13:58 |
| Riddell | hmm that might be an idea | 14:01 |
| micahg | umm...it's ~ubuntu12.04.1 :) | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | I favor this move | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | however | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | the work... brrrr.... | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | do we have a file on the system that actually maps a series name to a number? | 14:04 |
| micahg | apachelogger: distro-info maybe | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | /usr/share/distro-info/ubuntu.csv | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | oh la la | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | micahg: thx | 14:06 |
| mparillo | Is there a test case for installing Beta-1 to a VMWare Player? | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | considering it is a proprietary tool I do not think so | 14:07 |
| mparillo | apachelogger: Thx. Basically what I have at work...I could let it run while on my day job. | 14:08 |
| Riddell | mparillo: that's just the install test case | 14:11 |
| Riddell | so any of the test cases can be done in vmware | 14:11 |
| mparillo | So, is there a dummies guide on how to get started testing Beta-1? | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: question, does Kubuntu Beta 1 add org.kde.showActivityManager to the panel? | 14:26 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: there's an activity manager plasmoid on the panel yes | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | hm | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | that's weird | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | because we don't add that | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | I don't see it anywhere in the 00-defaultLayout.js script | 14:37 |
| Riddell | let me double check | 14:37 |
| Riddell | yep it's there | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | AND if I run panel = new Panel via desktop console in my quantal install it gives me a blank panel | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | no activity manager stuff | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^^ ideas? | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | I have a desktop toolbox that includes activities , at the top right | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | nah, we're talking about the default panel on the live CD :) | 14:39 |
| * shadeslayer is a bit confused as to where that comes from tbh | 14:39 | |
| BluesKaj | it's very similar to the panel toolbox but the icon is a grey bar with "Desktop " , written on it | 14:41 |
| BluesKaj | wish i could get rid of it ...don't use activities\ | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: if you do new Panel you get a new Panel, duh | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: a empty one | 14:46 |
| shadeslayer | right | 14:46 |
| shadeslayer | but where does the showActivityManager widget come from? | 14:47 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: does it magically add itself when creating a new activity? | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: we add it? | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: no we don't :P | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | why do we not? | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | idk | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | oh | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | actually I know where it comes from | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: possible, but the panel is created after the activity | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | le update scripts of the upstream | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | :| | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | cuz the upstream apparently thinks forcing stuff down people's throat helps PR or something | 14:49 |
| Riddell | ah | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | ah yes indeed : addShowActivitiesManagerPlasmoid.js | 14:50 |
| Riddell | ooh, ready! | 14:50 |
| * shadeslayer facepalms | 14:50 | |
| shadeslayer | yay | 14:50 |
| soee | Riddell, im home. System works fine :) | 14:50 |
| Riddell | proofreaders, how's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu | 14:50 |
| Riddell | soee: great | 14:50 |
| mparillo | Should it read CD-sized instead of CD sizes? | 14:54 |
| mparillo | Is there an extra character at the end of: Regular users who want to help us test by finding, reporting, and/or fixing bugs involving installation, updgrades, and regular usage.` | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | hah | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | screenshot has fedora icon in kicker | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=desktop.png | 14:56 |
| mparillo | You link to KDE 4.9, but say: The latest testing release of KDE's Plasma Workspaces and Applications ? Is it still a testing release? | 14:57 |
| tsimpson | duplicate "for" in the first line: "preparing for for the final" | 14:57 |
| tsimpson | love how no-one managed to see that :p | 14:57 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 14:58 |
| mparillo | Does Calligra eq the 'KDE Office Suite'? | 14:58 |
| shadeslayer | Pointing users to a wiki page for feedback is a bit sad :( | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | social media I say | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | also | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | in order to edit said wiki page, you'd need to create a lp account | 14:59 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: do you have a problem with fedora *fistwave* | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: aye :P | 14:59 |
| * apachelogger smacks shadeslayer and leaves for today | 15:00 | |
| * shadeslayer shuts the door and tickles apachelogger | 15:00 | |
| mparillo | Space before ,: 'happening ,' | 15:00 |
| tsimpson | shadeslayer: well, to report bugs you need an lp accout too. one would hope pre-release testers would be reporting bugs | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: sure, but what if you find no bugs but have genera feedback | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | *general | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | Things like, how was your experience with KDE and Kubuntu | 15:02 |
| tsimpson | add an "or email us ...." to the feedback page | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | what can be done differently | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | like apachelogger said, needs social media :P | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | twitter and identi.ca I say :) | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | twitter/identi.ca/g+/facebook/email < in that order | 15:03 |
| tsimpson | or put a nice, fancy form on kubuntu.org | 15:03 |
| shadeslayer | well | 15:03 |
| Riddell | mparillo: yes but it's unclear if "office" is a good term for all its applications | 15:03 |
| shadeslayer | forms are nice as long as it's radio buttons and does not exceed more than 5 questions :D | 15:03 |
| shadeslayer | s/it's/it has | 15:04 |
| Riddell | mparillo: fancy just making these changes yourself? | 15:04 |
| tsimpson | I'd think it'd be more of a name: contact email: feedback: | 15:04 |
| shadeslayer | hm, that could work | 15:04 |
| shadeslayer | can you do that with drupal? | 15:05 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: the feedback wiki pages aren't very popular any more, I guess wikis are out of fashion | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | I'm still all for social media :P | 15:06 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: the trouble is our social media presence isn't great | 15:07 |
| tsimpson | I have 0 experience with drupal, but I'd certainly hope it can do simple HTML forms | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | mhmm | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | iirc we had a twitter account | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | we have a somewhat active G+ account | 15:07 |
| Riddell | kubuntu_news that is magically linked to our website in ways nobody knows | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | have not opened identi.ca in eons | 15:07 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 15:07 |
| Riddell | I'm yet to work out how g+ works, can people leave feedback on it? | 15:08 |
| Riddell | identi.ca is just spam collection now I think | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | They just need to mention +Kubuntu I believe | 15:08 |
| tsimpson | as you mention all the social media stuff, I just had a look around kubuntu.org and I can't find a link to any of them. maybe a good idea to add some links. maybe in the form of icons, eg in the footer | 15:12 |
| shadeslayer | indeed | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | believe it or not, no one is going to mail Kubuntu Devel with feedback | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | maybe right after "Technologies Used" | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | we can add "Talk to us" | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | or sth | 15:13 |
| mparillo | If you list the social media links as a wishlist in Launchpad under kubuntu-website, I can try to do something with them. | 15:17 |
| Riddell | tsimpson: same issue, we don't have official social media accounts | 15:18 |
| mparillo | Riddell: I think I got all the proof-reading suggestions (except for the Fedora kickoff application launcher one). | 15:18 |
| Riddell | mparillo: great, thanks | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | ok, who uploaded that screenshot ? :P | 15:18 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: which? | 15:30 |
| shadeslayer | the one with the fedora icon in the kickoff | 15:30 |
| Riddell | where's that? | 15:30 |
| Riddell | aah | 15:31 |
| Riddell | claydoh would have taken that from kde.org I guess | 15:31 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: do you care about the amd64+mac image enough to test it? | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | irrelevant, my mac can boot all of those images since my hardware is vastly different | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | those mac+amd64 images are for specific machines, don't know which ones | 15:44 |
| mparillo_ | Fedora screenshot replaced. | 15:58 |
| Riddell | mparillo_: yo da man | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | indeed | 16:07 |
| mparillo_ | <blushing> | 16:07 |
| Riddell | now work out what sensible thing can be done to encourage feedback on g+ and anything else and we'll be there | 16:08 |
| Riddell | mparillo_: fancy drafting up a post for kubuntu.org ? | 16:10 |
| mparillo_ | A release announcement? | 16:10 |
| mparillo_ | And for feedback, I think I can put the place(s) for feedback on the Community page. I just need to know the consensus of the best sites / vehicles for that. | 16:11 |
| Riddell | well https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu is the release announcement | 16:11 |
| Riddell | so just a short post pointing at that, the download location, upgrade instructions and maybe a few bullet points of features | 16:11 |
| Riddell | oh and the technical overview https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 | 16:12 |
| mparillo_ | The technical overview is ubuntu-wide? | 16:12 |
| Riddell | yes | 16:12 |
| Riddell | I think the best sites will be those with account we control, which is only g+ | 16:13 |
| mparillo_ | Which is your g+ account? I know there is a fan account that was in the news a while back? | 16:14 |
| Riddell | that's the one, https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts | 16:15 |
| mparillo_ | KDE Paste ~/paste/544940 | 16:20 |
| cyphermox | ScottK: thanks for reminding me about plasma-networkmanagement | 16:20 |
| cyphermox | Sorry I keep forgetting about this bit | 16:20 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 16:20 |
| ScottK | No problem. | 16:20 |
| cyphermox | I'm going to look at the code now and propose a patch/merge if there is something wrong | 16:21 |
| cyphermox | ScottK: networkmanagement is still the right source, right? | 16:22 |
| Riddell | mparillo_: lovely | 16:22 |
| Riddell | mparillo_: stick that up now with the published box unticked so it's easy to do when the announce goes out | 16:23 |
| ScottK | cyphermox: Yes. | 16:24 |
| cyphermox | looks unaffected to me | 16:27 |
| cyphermox | well, actually just that people have the choice to create networks the way they want them, which doesn't block the evil wpa-none from being used | 16:27 |
| Riddell | mparillo_, anyone, I'm off out for a few hours, if the release happens before I return do post http://paste.kde.org/544940/ on the website | 16:36 |
| mparillo_ | News Quantal Beta 1 Out has been created. That is Saved, but with the Published button not checked. | 16:39 |
| mparillo_ | Riddell: The news article is posted; it is not published. | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ping | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: all your runtime changery is not bzr | 17:43 |
| jussi | apachelogger: shadeslayer sleeps now... ;) | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | as if he deserves sleep for repeatedly not pushing changes to bzr :( | 18:00 |
| mikhas | harsh | 18:00 |
| mikhas | I can understand people that try to keep their sanity by avoiding bizarre whenever possible. =p | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | me too, doesn't help the fact that we use it right now and people not running one command when they do an upload causes more work for me | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | on a positive note .1 ought to be done for quantal | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | any quantal ninjas around? | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ping | 18:05 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: pong | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: do you still have 2 ssh keys? | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | one dss and one rsa | 18:06 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer bulldog98_ yofel_ ^ same question | 18:08 |
| JontheEchidna | there's an id_dsa and a id_rsa in my ~/.ssh | 18:08 |
| yofel_ | apachelogger: about being on quantal? yes, I'll update in a bit | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/544988/ | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | chek the sigs please | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | yofel_: no, about the keys | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | :O | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | bambee: 4 ssh keys? | 18:10 |
| yofel_ | uh, I have a few | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | srsly :O | 18:10 |
| * yofel_ checks | 18:10 | |
| yofel_ | I don't share keys between PC's | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | ah, I guess 2 makes sense then | 18:10 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: yup, those are it | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | perhaps you wanna pick one? :P | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | just a though :P | 18:11 |
| JontheEchidna | ? | 18:11 |
| yofel_ | yeah, those are the 2 that should be there | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: why two keys if they are on the same machine? :P | 18:11 |
| * yofel_ has some DSA keys lying around as well, but those are only 1K and obsolete | 18:12 | |
| apachelogger | new key file online, if you guys could review your keys that would be good | 18:12 |
| yofel_ | file is missing from what I see | 18:13 |
| yofel_ | only the backup one is there | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | ah, I broke it | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | stupid command sequences all wrong | 18:13 |
| yofel_ | only the backup one is there | 18:17 |
| yofel_ | oops | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | asked sho to fix it again ^^ | 18:18 |
| yofel_ | I moved the old file back | 18:18 |
| yofel_ | still had the shell open | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | ah, we can shell now? | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | ah, sftp shell you mean? | 18:19 |
| yofel_ | uh, shell always worked for me | 18:19 |
| yofel_ | even back on ktown before it was taken down | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | I thought it was deactivated at some point | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | good to know though | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | now the cleaned file should be online | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | also sent a mail to those who's keys I removed | 18:20 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| yofel | apachelogger: upgrade went fine and 4.9 seems to work ok | 18:34 |
| yofel | do we have a TODO item somewhere about updating the lightdm background? | 18:34 |
| yofel | uses old Ariya | 18:34 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: kdepim-runtime hackery was not pused to bzr because I assumed you were still working on it | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | and I'm *very* tired | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | there's a new ariya? | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | and yes, I can still get into ftpmaster from my work machine | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | yofel: | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | there is? | 18:40 |
| yofel | apachelogger: well, ksplash uses a new theme now, not the desktop background anymore. Lightdm uses the desktop background | 18:41 |
| apachelogger | yofel: the one without stripes? | 18:43 |
| yofel | right | 18:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You back? It's close and mparillo_ has vanished. | 19:02 |
| ScottK | Nice. Kubuntu.org is down. | 19:25 |
| JontheEchidna | people must be anticipating the release :P | 19:27 |
| JontheEchidna | seems back up at any rate | 19:28 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 19:30 |
| ScottK | I'm all set to hit publish when the release is official. The images are there now. | 19:31 |
| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1046820] touch support seems broken since qt4-x11-4.8.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046820 (by Canmor Lam) | 19:48 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Is upstream_Ensure-that-the-start-Client-to-build-up-the-ClientM.patch the patch for the regression that mgraesslin was whining about? | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: aye | 20:36 |
| ScottK | Excellent. Thanks. | 20:36 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:37 |
| apachelogger | ftbfs | 20:37 |
| apachelogger | wohoo | 20:37 |
| apachelogger | hrm | 20:37 |
| apachelogger | did upstream always do all around soname changes for minor updates? | 20:38 |
| apachelogger | that is somewhat of a pita | 20:38 |
| yofel | apachelogger: the version usually changes with the kdelibs version, that why I usually use libfooABIVER* in install files | 21:00 |
| yofel | when doing new stuff | 21:00 |
| apachelogger | aho | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yeah, I changed them to wildcard mostly now | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | though i think this ought to be discussed with le debian | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | because quite frankly changing it to wildcard after every merge is a bit silly | 21:02 |
| yofel | true | 21:03 |
| ScottK | Wildcard is also risky you miss the need for a rename. | 21:14 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: not so much if you do X.Y.* | 21:19 |
| ScottK | True. | 21:20 |
| ScottK | Did you get icecc figured out? | 21:44 |
| ScottK | Who's around that can update kubuntu.org when beta1 comes out? IIRC Riddell is snoozing or something and I have to leave soon. | 21:47 |
| ScottK | The announce is already written, it just needs someone to tick publish and save it. | 21:47 |
| Riddell | hi | 21:48 |
| Riddell | I'm back | 21:48 |
| Riddell | ScottK: got the URL that needs the tick? | 21:49 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: not quite, though I got sidetracked with .1 | 21:49 |
| ScottK | Glad you're back. | 21:49 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: OK. I'll try to remember to harass you periodically. | 21:49 |
| apachelogger | all I know for sure is that it does not seem to work but the scheduler is detected et al, it simply doesn't distribute the build | 21:50 |
| apachelogger | which can of course have a number of reasons | 21:50 |
| apachelogger | and is tedious to debug really | 21:50 |
| ScottK | I'm out for now. See you all later. | 21:54 |
| Riddell | ciao | 21:54 |
| * yofel is off to bed - good night | 21:56 | |
| Riddell | beta 1 is out! | 22:05 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.10-beta-1 | 22:05 |
| highvoltage | yay | 22:15 |
| JontheEchidna | rewrite src/worker/org.kubuntu.qaptworker.xml (79%) | 22:33 |
| JontheEchidna | git you so smart | 22:33 |
| JontheEchidna | I tried to call a d-bus method and got kicked off the bug: http://paste.kde.org/545090/ :( | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | *off the bus | 22:37 |
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