[01:17] <silverarrow> hi
[03:47] <cc11rocks> Will Ubuntu 12.10 Beta 1 have full support for unencrypted LVM partitioning in the Ubiquity installer?
[05:12] <IBM1234> what is suppose to be new in 12.10?
[05:18] <Debolaz> Webapp integration on the desktop among other things.
[05:19] <IBM1234> I wonder if this will be the realese that will come out with ¨Ubuntu for Android¨
[05:19] <IdleOne> it won't
[05:22] <IBM1234> that is just great. Ive been waiting close to a year for this
[05:59] <cc11rocks> Question from two hours ago : Will Ubuntu 12.10 Beta 1 have full support for unencrypted LVM partitioning in the Ubiquity installer?
[11:06] <Daekdroom> My thumb drive is finally here.
[11:06] <Daekdroom> Now I don't have to waste a DVD-R every time I want to reinstall Ubuntu.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:57] <vega-> upgraded 12.04 -> 12.10: login only possible with gnome classic no effects, all others have graphic totally messed up.
[11:57] <vega-> all windows open in upper left corner on top of each other, no alt-tab, no scroll bars ...
[11:58] <vega-> nvidia card + nouveau driver
[11:59] <vega-> not able to resize or move windows
[11:59] <vega-> where did unity 2d go??
[11:59] <vega-> this was the one that worked in 12.04
[12:00] <Daekdroom> Unity-2D is gone.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> vega-, that's odd , the nouveau driver is very capable of all effects . in the terminal , sudo apt-get install nvidia-current , alt+f2 type jockey , and choose recommended driver
[12:03] <BluesKaj> or alt+f2 type jockey , and choose recommended driver
[12:04] <BluesKaj> vega-, the recommended driver is the same as nvidia-current . or it shoild be
[12:04] <vega-> will try
[12:08] <BluesKaj> vega-, either method you have to reboot , right after
[12:09] <vega-> no "jockey" here ..
[12:09] <vega-> nvidia-current is installed though
[12:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:09] <vega-> i don't remember having to specifically enable nvidia-current after installing it in the past..
[12:10] <BluesKaj> I never know whether gnome/unity uses jockey from one release to another ,, kde does tho
[12:11] <vega-> beta1 release notes says "jockey deprecated in favor of Driver component in software-properties" or something like that
[12:11] <BluesKaj> vega-, not after insyalling , just areboot is needed
[12:12] <BluesKaj> installing
[12:25] <vega-> sigh
[12:26] <vega-> well, nvidia is now installed  and there are "effects" ...
[12:26] <vega-> try to resize a windows -> unity/compiz/whatever crashes and restarts
[12:26] <vega-> try to resize a second time -> crash and does not restart
[12:26] <vega-> now i just have a terminal window with no window manager or unity menu or anything...
[12:28] <vega-> and nvidia-settings config doesn't seem to stick after boot, now unity menu is on wrong screen and layout if monitors is wrong
[12:29] <vega-> i thought these things would have been taken care of in 2012 :/
[12:30] <BluesKaj> vega-, are you on 12.10 ? if so these problems are to be expected
[12:31] <vega-> sure i am, but some of these problems have been in many releases before..
[13:32] <SpamapS> anybody have a MacBookAir 4,1 working w/ quantal? I can't seem to get the trackpad to work
[15:22] <thebishop> woo! beta1 due today
[17:53] <gotwig> where is ubuntu LTS or ubuntu backports IRC channel?
[17:56] <xut> is Beta 1 out today?
[18:03] <trism> xut: expected today but not out yet
[18:08] <xut> trism, thanks
[18:46] <thebishop> woah, the beta-1 folder is created
[18:46] <thebishop> maybe the elves are uploading the iso now
[18:46] <thebishop> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/quantal/
[18:53] <ironhalik> thebishop: if you've got alpha-3 up to date, you've got a 99.9% percent beta-1 installation now
[18:54] <Pici> thebishop: things are syncing, everythings not ready yet.
[18:55] <thebishop> ironhalik, not expecting any bootloader changes?
[18:56] <ironhalik> thebishop: Why would I?
[18:59] <thebishop> ironhalik, because you love freedom and puppies?
[18:59] <ironhalik> Well, I do
[18:59] <ironhalik> but I dont see the connection ;>
[19:00] <ironhalik> either way, I'm just saying that were in beta freeze, current installations are pretty much beta-1
[19:00] <ironhalik> if no nasty nugs show up, that is
[19:00] <ironhalik> bugs*
[19:22] <smallfoot-> hiya
[19:23] <smallfoot-> bug #894391 says mountall 2.40 is RELEASED, but in repo (archive.ubuntu.com), i only find 2.38
[19:23] <smallfoot-> why?
[19:25] <jtaylor> smallfoot-: it was released 51 minutes ago, it may not be on your mirror yet
[19:25] <jtaylor> its still building on some arches
[19:26] <smallfoot-> but im not fetching it from mirror
[19:26] <jtaylor> are you using amd6$?
[19:26] <jtaylor> 64
[19:26] <smallfoot-> yes, amd64
[19:26] <smallfoot-> http://archive.ubuntu.com quantal/main Translation-en_US
[19:26] <smallfoot-> i get from there
[19:27] <jtaylor> amd64 build only finished 6 minutes ago, be patient
[19:27] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:27] <smallfoot-> then i want it 6 minutes ago
[19:27] <smallfoot-> why isn't not on archive.ubuntu.com? and where is it now?
[19:27] <jtaylor> on the build machines
[19:27] <smallfoot-> i thought it get to archive.ubuntu.com first of all
[19:27] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:27] <jtaylor> they get uploaded when the main arches are done
[19:28] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:28] <smallfoot-> where you saw the 6 mins build thing?
[19:28] <jtaylor> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/2.40
[19:28] <smallfoot-> thanks
[19:29] <smallfoot-> and when it gets pushed to repo?
[19:29] <jtaylor> soon, if you're that impatient you can grab the source and build it yourself
[19:30] <jtaylor> the amd64 source is available: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/2.40/+build/3767839
[19:30] <jtaylor> binary I mean
[19:30] <smallfoot-> when its compiled for all architectures?
[19:30] <smallfoot-> it says its uploading armel
[19:31] <smallfoot-> and powerpc still needs building =/
[19:31] <jtaylor> powerpc shouldn't delay publishing
[19:31] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:31] <jtaylor> its sometimes days behind :)
[19:31] <smallfoot-> what delays publishing, is it all other arches?
[19:32] <smallfoot-> now all except powerpc have been built
[19:32] <jtaylor> then there is still some publishing cronjob
[19:32] <jtaylor> I think it runs every 30 minutes
[19:32] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:32] <smallfoot-> and now its 32
[19:32] <smallfoot-> so it probably runs in 28 mins
[19:32] <ironhalik> how can I install photo lens? :>
[19:32] <ironhalik> I seem to be missing it
[19:34] <jtaylor> smallfoot-: the debs are there now
[19:34] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:35] <smallfoot-> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/mountall still says 2.38
[19:35] <yofel> packages.ubuntu.com isn't particualry fast at updating
[19:35] <jtaylor> on launchpad, the archive mirrors likely have more delay
[19:36] <smallfoot-> if i download .deb from launchpad then install that, when 2.41 hits repo, it will know to update, or it thinks its from a different source?
[19:36] <jtaylor> it will update
[19:36] <smallfoot-> sweet
[19:37] <smallfoot-> guess i need restart for it to be effective
[19:37] <yofel> mountall only runs on boot, so yes
[19:37] <smallfoot-> oh thanks
[19:37] <smallfoot-> ill do that
[19:40] <smallfoot-> hmm
[19:40] <smallfoot-> maybe its buggy
[19:41] <smallfoot-> ii  mountall       2.40         amd64        filesystem mounting tool
[19:41] <smallfoot-> echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
[19:41] <smallfoot-> nothing
[19:41] <smallfoot-> 2.40 was supposed to fix it, but it didnt
[19:44] <jtaylor> aren't all XDG_ variables unset by default?
[19:44] <smallfoot-> i dont know
[19:44] <yofel> well, 2.40 edits mountall's src/fstab, so the mountall should still be there
[19:44] <yofel> *mountpoint
[19:46] <jtaylor> smallfoot-: is /run/user there?
[19:46] <smallfoot-> yes
[19:46] <smallfoot-> i asked package maintainer vorlon
[19:46] <smallfoot-> vorlon> yes, this is groundwork; a separate package upload is needed to get XDG_RUNTIME_DIR exported.
[19:47] <yofel> oh, XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, that needs consolekit too
[19:47] <yofel> why would that be set to anything though
[19:47] <yofel> ?
[19:48]  * yofel goes reading the bug
[19:49] <jtaylor> not much in there :)
[19:49] <smallfoot-> yofel, weston (which is reference wayland thingymabob) needs XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to run
[19:49] <yofel> "If $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set applications should fall back to a replacement directory with similar capabilities and print a warning message. "
[19:49] <yofel> o.O
[19:50] <yofel> (from the spec)
[19:50] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:50] <smallfoot-> yofel, url to that part of the spec?
[19:50] <jtaylor> I'm guessing /run/user is that fallback
[19:50] <yofel> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[19:50] <yofel> paragraph right above of "referencing this..."
[19:50] <smallfoot-> oh
[19:50] <jtaylor> setting from boot XDG_* seems unusual
[19:51] <yofel> IMO weston should be fixed to use somthing that works instead of outright failing
[19:53] <smallfoot-> ya
[19:53] <yofel> maybe they just want to get it to work now and fix it later. Only problem is that stuff like that is then usually forgotten
[19:54] <yofel> hm wait
[19:54] <yofel> hardcoding /run/user at boot time would be a violation of "The lifetime of the directory MUST be bound to the user being logged in. It MUST be created when the user first logs in and if the user fully logs out the directory MUST be removed."...
[19:55] <yofel> or they'll make it /run/user/$USER
[19:55] <jtaylor> probably that
[19:55] <yofel> which would be fine
[19:55] <jtaylor> like the per user mounts
[19:56] <yofel> yeah
[20:03] <htorque> have you guys taken part in the call for gconf-less unity testing? i haven't found a way back to a working unity since back then.
[20:22] <thebishop> is anyone here working/using wayland?
[20:31] <smallfoot-> i got it installed
[20:32] <smallfoot-> but it only work under x for me
[20:32] <smallfoot-> not under drm
[20:32] <smallfoot-> because gtk isn't compiled with --enable-wayland backend
[20:32] <smallfoot-> and open source nvidia driver doesn't have xwayland merged yet
[20:54] <jakubo> hi, is there any solution to a jumping mouse on 32 bit kernel while using touchpad?
[21:06] <wilee-nilee> jakubo, you might try touchpad-indicator it has a little more control it is in a PPA, not sure if supported in 12.10 though, or look at the mouse control.
[21:07] <jakubo> any clue where it might come from?
[21:10] <wilee-nilee> I don't see a 12.10 version you are running this release right?
[21:16] <kenneth2> I'm trying to install haskell-platform and getting the following error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:16] <kenneth2>  haskell-platform : Depends: ghc (< 7.4.1+) but 7.4.2-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[21:16] <kenneth2> I'm on 12.10, how to I fix this?
[21:20] <jakubo> wilee-nilee: yes. the whole system is hardly accessible, i need to switch to a Console (Ctrl+Alt+Fx) and back to get rid of it... for a couple of seconds...
[21:21] <jakubo> it usually locks th mouse at some stage so i cannot click or unclick..
[21:22] <wilee-nilee> jakubo, Not sure really, sorry.
[21:35] <smallfoot-> yay new drm, radeon, nouvea just hit ubuntu repo :p
[22:09] <Bluefoxicy> wtf
[22:10] <Daekdroom> !language
[22:10] <Bluefoxicy> that was English I think.  Or some kind of English-derived colloquiolism
[22:10] <Bluefoxicy> in any case why doesn't update-manager -d work
[22:11] <tsimpson> because one uses do-release-upgrade
[22:12] <Bluefoxicy> That's new.
[22:12] <Bluefoxicy> I jumped to 12.10 2 months early with update-manager
[22:12] <Bluefoxicy> do-release-upgrade doesn't do anything either.
[22:12] <Daekdroom> You have to set it to show you upgrades for all normal ubuntu releases, not only LTS'
[22:12] <tsimpson> if you're running 12.10, then what do you expect to upgrade to?
[22:13] <Bluefoxicy> 12.04 rather
[22:13] <tsimpson> just update packages as normal
[22:13] <Bluefoxicy> trying to get to 12.10
[22:13] <Bluefoxicy> Daekdroom:  why is that set
[22:13] <Bluefoxicy> it wasn't set before.
[22:13] <Daekdroom> Bluefoxicy, run 'software-properties-gtk' and check the upgrade tab
[22:13] <Daekdroom> 12.04 is a LTS release.
[22:13] <Bluefoxicy> Yes I saw that, fixed it
[22:13] <Bluefoxicy> when you upgrade to LTS, does it automatically set it to only upgrade to LTS?
[22:14] <Daekdroom> No idea.
[22:14] <Bluefoxicy> because I'm pretty sure it wasn't like that before.  I went through 2 release upgrades
[22:14] <Bluefoxicy> anyway fixed.  I think.
[22:16] <Bluefoxicy> 12.10 isn't currently expected to be broken right?  Like when I beta'd Hoary from Warty there was a 98% chance of X breaking immediately and not being fixed for 2-3 weeks.  This was well known.
[22:16] <Bluefoxicy> I mean there's "beta, could break" and there's "beta, is currently broken, WILL break"
[22:17] <ironhalik> It's not broken.
[22:17] <Bluefoxicy> k
[22:17] <Bluefoxicy> so if it breaks that's distinctly odd and I should probably file bugs.
[22:17] <ironhalik> At least on my two PCs.
[22:18] <Bluefoxicy> yeah no this was like, broken everywhere, it was pretty much known if you were on beta you didn't have X :P
[22:19] <ironhalik> I think the development process has much improved since those days
[22:19] <Daekdroom> How could they possibly test the system if X didn't work most of the time? :P
[22:20] <ironhalik> There are some nasty bugs sometimes
[22:21] <ironhalik> in 12.04 beta, I removed half of my system once
[22:21] <ironhalik> with dist-upgrade
[22:21] <ironhalik> sure it was my fault, but still
[22:29] <Bluefoxicy> heh
[22:30] <Bluefoxicy> hmm.
[22:30] <Bluefoxicy> I can't update.  Something breaks.
[22:30] <Bluefoxicy> It tells me it can't resolve dependencies.
[22:35]  * Bluefoxicy drops the Wine 1.5 ppa, bitcoin ppa
[22:36] <Bluefoxicy> http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/309106_10152097657700173_961319437_n.jpg Ubuntu+3:  Secret Squirrel?
[22:36] <Bluefoxicy> also is Quetzal aztec?
[22:36] <Bluefoxicy> Like Quezalcotl?
[22:37] <Daekdroom> I remember I had issues before upgrading to 12.10 because Ubuntu wasn't able to revert the xorg-edgers PPA
[22:37] <Daekdroom> It took me about an hour to do it myself using Synaptic.
[22:38] <Bluefoxicy> oh
[22:38] <Bluefoxicy> I just like.  Reverted some versions and removed some crap.
[22:38] <Bluefoxicy> it took about 45 seconds?
[22:39] <Daekdroom> Lucky you :(
[22:39] <Bluefoxicy> On the other hand, I do wear a watch to work that costs more than my monthly mortgage payment.
[22:39] <Daekdroom> It took me quite awhile to think of removing multiarch
[22:39] <Bluefoxicy> (that's how I learned to read an analog clock)
[22:39] <Bluefoxicy> yeah I'm a purist
[22:40] <Bluefoxicy> if it didn't come from the official repos, it probably doesn't belong here, so I'll downgrade it to official and figure that'll fix it.
[22:42] <Bluefoxicy> I also think Bastille's habit of chmod'ing mount and ping is silly; like C over C++; use a reel lawn mower; and prefer my women without unknown and possibly illegal chemicals in them, as well without modifications (holes poked, metal bits added, skin coloration altered by injection of dyes, etc).
[22:42]  * Bluefoxicy ultrapurist.
[22:45] <Bluefoxicy> https://www.bernhardtwatch.com/index.php?id=33 <-- watch | lawn mower --> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045VL1OO/
[22:45] <Bluefoxicy> and ... I'm done.
[23:12] <C-S-B> Hello guys, any reason I am getting 'unity is marked for removal ...but is on blacklist' when trying to upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04?
[23:14] <Belial`> anyone using bumblebee having issues?