| RAOF | ion: In an ideal world, yes. In the real world different renderers support different GL extensions (or GL versions), and exporting all GL extensions that can be implemented in software is user-hostile. | 00:03 |
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| slangasek | RAOF: ah, heh. Thanks for the explanation, I'd completely forgotten the name AIGLX :) | 00:04 |
| ion | How about exporting all GL extensions but telling the user which ones are hardware-accelerated? | 00:04 |
| RAOF | GL doesn't support that :) | 00:05 |
| ion | A Mesa extension? :-P | 00:05 |
| slangasek | ion: to what end? when would you have more than two drivers in practice - one accelerated, one sw? | 00:06 |
| slangasek | I think the problem here is some oddball driver loaded that doesn't implement the bits that mesa's in-tree drivers do, no? | 00:07 |
| RAOF | That's one possible problem, yes | 00:08 |
| slangasek | so even if mesa had awesome support for proxying unsupported extensions over to the llvmpipe swrast driver, that doesn't help if you're not using a mesa driver to begin with, I think | 00:08 |
| slangasek | btw, did linaro's gles proxy lib ever manifest? | 00:09 |
| slangasek | (which, er, was supposed to handle exactly this sort of thing) | 00:10 |
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| jdstrand | barry: re ufw> yep, as of 0.32 | 02:40 |
| pitti | Good morning | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | hi pitti | 03:33 |
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| SpamapS | any reason not to upgrade a precise box to quantal right now? | 04:28 |
| micahg | SpamapS: qemu-kvm has some issues | 04:29 |
| micahg | libreoffice has no menus in non-unity envs | 04:29 |
| SpamapS | yeah I briefly looked at the critical bugs | 04:39 |
| SpamapS | just sometimes people say NO WAYT THEARCHIVE IS BZORKEN when I do that ;) | 04:39 |
| micahg | SpamapS: the archive is frozen ATM :) | 04:40 |
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| ahsan | hi all | 05:04 |
| ahsan | i wanted to write an upstart job which kicks in just before halt/reboot. | 05:05 |
| ahsan | any pointers on how to do that | 05:05 |
| ahsan | I tried with "start on runlevel [06]". But, I guess that starts as soon as runlevel 0 or 6 is reached | 05:06 |
| RAOF | Right. | 05:06 |
| RAOF | At what point in the shutdown process does it need to run? If it's ‘just as FOO is shutting down’, then ‘start on stopping $FOO’ would get you something like that. | 05:07 |
| ahsan | yeah, i was looking for something like that.. | 05:07 |
| ahsan | like a S89mytask in rc6.d for sysV | 05:08 |
| RAOF | You can of course just have a sysv task if you want; upstart supports it. | 05:10 |
| ahsan | RAOF: ok, just wanted to do it the upstart way. | 05:11 |
| RAOF | There probably is an event you can start on. | 05:11 |
| ahsan | yes, I was looking for that event. like you said "start on stopping foo" | 05:11 |
| ahsan | I am looking for that foo | 05:12 |
| RAOF | So when does it need to run? | 05:15 |
| ahsan | just before the halt/reboot is issued | 05:15 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: what exactly do you want it to stop after? | 05:37 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: shutdown has a very specific order.. stop services, kill processes, unmount network filesystems, stop networking, kill off straggler processes, unmount filesystems, halt/reboot | 05:38 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: for instance, a few things do need to be stopped between unmounting network filesystems, and stopping networking. For those, 'stop on deconfiguring-networking' is a good choice, as it will block the shutdown until those things are stopped. | 05:44 |
| SpamapS | ugh, touchpad on MBA 4,1 is not working now | 05:53 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: thanks, will give it a try | 05:59 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: I wanted to just delete a marker, as late as possible | 05:59 |
| cc11rocks | Can I delete a patch sent to Debian? | 06:00 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: so you have to do it before filesystems are unmounted | 06:00 |
| cc11rocks | I accidentally submitted a duplicate to someone else's fix... | 06:00 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: ok, can you please tell the syntax | 06:02 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: "start on starting mountall" will be a race condition? | 06:07 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: mountall is started during the system boot. I thought you wanted on shutdown | 06:08 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: oh, you're right. sorry | 06:09 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: btw, when does mountall stops? .. also, which task handles unmounting filesystems? | 06:10 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: there's no event, currently, attached to unmounting filesystems, but you could either a) push it back to just before networking is deconfigured, or b) add the event to /etc/init.d/umountfs | 06:10 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: mountall never stops IIRC | 06:11 |
| SpamapS | ahsan: unmounting is done by /etc/init.d/umountfs | 06:11 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: thanks | 06:12 |
| ahsan | SpamapS: which event is emitted when networking is disconfigured | 06:17 |
| ahsan | ie "start on stopping foo" .. whats foo here? or disconfiguring-network itself is an event which is emitted? | 06:18 |
| ahsan | /s/disconfigured/deconfigured | 06:18 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:00 |
| dholbach | bdrung, AFAICS ubuntu-packaging-guide is ready for upload :) | 07:07 |
| MCR1 | didrocks: I noticed some important python applications do not work on Quantal (they all fail with the same error: Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed) - who can/should I nerve with this ? | 07:16 |
| MCR1 | didrocks: examples are qbzr or trimage packages... | 07:16 |
| tsdgeos | it happened again, a bug i just reported got duplicated of a private one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/colord/+bug/1046690 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1038768 | 07:17 |
| ubottu | Error: Bug #1046690 is a duplicate of bug #1038768, but it is private (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1038768) | 07:17 |
| ubottu | Error: malone bug 1038768 not found | 07:17 |
| didrocks | MCR1: those are using pygtk or pygi? | 07:17 |
| tsdgeos | can someone mark the second public and tell me where i open a bug so that this doesn't happen again? | 07:17 |
| MCR1 | didrocks: qbzr says it depends on python-qt4, python2.7 | 07:18 |
| tsdgeos | MCR1: yeah having the same problem :-/ | 07:19 |
| didrocks | MCR1: ok, are all python applications having this kind of gtk warning qt apps? | 07:19 |
| didrocks | I wonder if it's not just the qt -> gtkstyle binding which is broken | 07:19 |
| MCR1 | didrocks: trimage is also depending on python-qt4 and python >= 2.6 | 07:21 |
| MCR1 | didrocks: I am not sure if all have this kind of warning, but many python applications work, while those 2 don't anymore, while at least trimage was working on Precise | 07:21 |
| MCR1 | but I guess qbzr also works there... | 07:22 |
| MCR1 | tsdgeos: Which python applications are creating this problem for you ? | 07:23 |
| tsdgeos | MCR1: to be honest i'm only using qbzr | 07:31 |
| didrocks | MCR1: so, I would say it's a Qt issue to not work with latest GtkStyle, maybe some people are knowledgeable on #kubuntu-devel | 07:31 |
| MCR1 | didrocks: ok, I'll ask there. Thx. After all qbzr is a quite important tool for Ubuntu development as there is no real replacement I know of (bzr explorer is slow and buggy) | 07:33 |
| tsdgeos | it seems someone decided to break qt on quantal, assistant is also crashing on startup :D | 07:34 |
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| brendand | does anyone know why i might be seeing: | 09:15 |
| brendand | Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported | 09:15 |
| brendand | in Precise (12.04.1)? | 09:15 |
| brendand | i read something about no X server - which couldn't be possible | 09:16 |
| cjwatson | barry: http://en.chys.info/2011/11/a-problem-with-pipes-in-python-3/ - gotcha, possibly worth mentioning somewhere. Note my comment | 09:16 |
| cjwatson | Relevant if you do things like subp = subprocess.Popen(blah, stdout=subprocess.PIPE); for line in subp.stdout: without universal_newlines=True | 09:17 |
| cjwatson | Because now it defaults to unbuffered for byte streams | 09:18 |
| zyga | pitti, https://plus.google.com/116315264177593873442/posts/aQq8vV7gUnE :-) | 09:25 |
| pitti | hey zyga | 09:32 |
| pitti | zyga: ah, nice! this looks similar to what "apport-bug storage" is doing | 09:33 |
| zyga | pitti, cool, I didn't know that | 09:33 |
| pitti | zyga: hm, wouldn't it be easier to run udisksctl monitor? or is that missing some signals? | 09:33 |
| zyga | pitti, I'll be using that to port checkbox to udisks2 | 09:33 |
| zyga | pitti, no, it's just something I wrote for this task, the code is shared with checkbox actually | 09:33 |
| pitti | zyga: anyway, if it helps, it should build just fine on precise, so we can put it into a PPA or so | 09:33 |
| zyga | pitti, hmm, udisks2 in precise ... it might be cool but then again some things (mounting) will still happen via udisks1 | 09:34 |
| zyga | pitti, I'll think about it but the focus right now is to get results from standard installs | 09:34 |
| pitti | makes sense | 09:35 |
| zyga | pitti, so that we have predictable behavior in practice | 09:35 |
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| xnox | mpt: what is your opinion on tooltips? bug 1045799 | 10:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1045799 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Manual partitioner: Add tooltips to icons 'Add', 'Remove', and 'Modify'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045799 | 10:43 |
| mpt | KILL THEM ALL | 10:43 |
| mpt | KILL THEM WITH FIRE | 10:43 |
| * mpt reads the bug report | 10:43 | |
| nigelb | lol | 10:46 |
| mpt | xnox, is <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114858452/result.png> how it looks with the default theme? | 10:49 |
| mpt | Those are some weird icons. | 10:49 |
| mpt | Wait, that isn't even the installer, that's GParted! | 10:49 |
| xnox | mpt: so I did change "Add partition","Remove partition", "Edit partition" to symbolic icons "+","-","cog" | 10:54 |
| mpt | xnox, may I see a screenshot? | 10:54 |
| xnox | mpt: now I am confused if people are confused about Gparted or Ubiquity. | 10:54 |
| xnox | mpt: one moment. | 10:54 |
| cjwatson | I suspect Erick is confused in ways that jibel is not. | 10:56 |
| xnox | mpt: i really want the "Pencil" icon, instead of/in addition to a "cog" | 10:56 |
| mpt | xnox, I specced "Change..." as text: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/edit#heading=h.6zratkhfgk60 | 10:59 |
| xnox | mpt: I was naughty =) | 10:59 |
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| bdrung | dholbach: done. | 11:38 |
| dholbach | thanks bdrung! :) | 11:38 |
| mpt | xnox, I don't know why you'd add tooltips post-UIF but not just switch to the specced label post-UIF | 11:46 |
| xnox | mpt: here is link how it currently looks like https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jsf4RKjSfg6IKFMoShVwtlh0btKKriD5FR8jiayHfxc?feat=directlink | 11:48 |
| xnox | mpt: I personally hate tooltips and status bars with passion | 11:48 |
| mpt | xnox, why don't the buttons have borders? | 11:49 |
| xnox | mpt: also the right click menus | 11:49 |
| xnox | mpt: ask the theme designers =/ | 11:49 |
| xnox | mpt: the border appears on mouse-over | 11:49 |
| mpt | Are you sure this is a theme issue? | 11:49 |
| xnox | mpt: the onces on the right are "button box" the onces on the left is "toolbar" | 11:49 |
| mpt | Does the theme say "whoa, this button has only an icon in it, I'm dropping the border"? | 11:49 |
| mpt | xnox, ok, well don't do that then, use a normal button :-) | 11:50 |
| xnox | mpt: I was naughty =) menubar is the easiest / quickest way to get symbolic icons, but I couldn't get mixed labels/icons in the same toolbar. | 11:50 |
| xnox | mpt: =))))) | 11:51 |
| mpt | My designs can take only so much abuse before they break, you know. | 11:51 |
| * xnox LOL | 11:51 | |
| xnox | mpt: ok. What about the size of the + and - ? big enough? just right? too small? | 11:52 |
| mpt | xnox, looks right to me. | 11:54 |
| xnox | mpt: let me change it to what it was suppose to be and then I'll give you another screenshot. | 11:54 |
| mpt | ok | 11:54 |
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| tjaalton | ppa queue ~7h.. | 13:25 |
| SpamapS | hm, seems xserver-xorg-input-mtrack has restored my trackpad | 13:44 |
| SpamapS | tho I seem to recall having lots of other problems with this driver | 13:44 |
| tjaalton | restored how? | 13:45 |
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| SpamapS | tjaalton: with evdev, I get no working trackpad | 13:48 |
| tjaalton | SpamapS: ok | 13:51 |
| SpamapS | bug 1046675 btw :) | 13:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046675 in xorg (Ubuntu) "macbook air 4,1 trackpad does not work on upgrade to quantal from precise" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046675 | 13:52 |
| tjaalton | well I've got xserver 1.13 ready, but nowhere to build it | 13:53 |
| tjaalton | since half the builders are idle or offline, queue ~7h | 13:53 |
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| barry | cjwatson: yes, that does seem unfortunate. at least it's documented though ;) http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/subprocess.html and search for 'bufsize' | 13:58 |
| mpt | ev, should configuration file prompts in upgrades (bug 86028) be considered errors like debconf prompts? What do you think? | 14:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 86028 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "RFE: ask all config-file questions at the start or end of the upgrade" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86028 | 14:13 |
| ev | mpt: I'm inclined to say yes, but we should chat with someone who knows conffiles better than I do. | 14:14 |
| stgraber | pitti: I'm not an archive admin, so can't commit to ubuntu-archive-tools | 14:26 |
| slangasek | mpt: a conffile prompt for a conffile that the user didn't edit is an error; a conffile prompt for a conffile that they did is the standard conflict resolution method; there's no way for us to tell the difference from an automated report | 14:26 |
| pitti | stgraber: ah, I thought as ~ubuntu-release you were | 14:26 |
| stgraber | pitti: ~ubuntu-release now has direct queue admin rights on <dev> and <dev>-proposed, so I can accept packages but I'm not in ~ubuntu-archive | 14:28 |
| mpt | slangasek, what would we need to change to make them distinguishable? (store the modification date somewhere? or a hash value?) | 14:29 |
| slangasek | mpt: there's nothing you can do | 14:29 |
| slangasek | it's *either* a user modifying it, *or* it's software going rogue and modifying it | 14:29 |
| slangasek | you can't distinguish these unless you know what software is going rogue, e.g. by reproducing it in an autotest | 14:30 |
| bdmurray | barry, pitti: could one of you review an aptdaemon merge proposal? https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/aptdaemon/bug-875879/+merge/122979 | 14:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 122979 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[aiglx][intel][r300] Video playback is buggy under Compiz" [High,Fix released] | 14:32 |
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| pitti | url 1 | 14:53 |
| pitti | oops | 14:53 |
| pitti | bdmurray: seems fine to me, thanks | 14:55 |
| bdmurray | pitti: are you going to upload aptdaemon then? also do you have any ideas for an SRU test case for this? | 15:11 |
| pitti | we are still frozen anyway, and mvo is working on a few branches which I guess he'd want in soon as well, so I guess he'll do an upload soon | 15:11 |
| mvo | yeah, I would love to get a new version in on friday | 15:15 |
| bdmurray | mvo: do you have an idea of an sru test case for bug 875879? | 15:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 875879 in update-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in show_diff(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875879 | 15:16 |
| shadeslayer | cjwatson: you mentioned a couple of days ago that something was misbuilt | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | I fixed it | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux-themes-ubuntu/5 | 15:21 |
| cjwatson | That was the cause of the iso-hybrid failures in live-build | 15:21 |
| mvo | bdmurray: hm, we could have to find a package that changes the conffile during a upgrade, I could try to fabricate something | 15:27 |
| BenC | Laney: haskell-hint builds on ppc, and it looks like it's restrictions on architecture are based solely on needing ghci. Should I set it to Arch: any and update the build-deps to use ghc-ghci? | 15:29 |
| mvo | bdmurray: hrm, hrm, so I created a artifical conffile prompt, but couldn't trigger the bug with it | 15:35 |
| bdmurray | mvo: with quantal or precise? errors.ubuntu.com doesn't show any quantal versions of the error for some reason | 15:36 |
| mvo | bdmurray: tested on my precise box | 15:37 |
| dholbach | can somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~ianrob1201/ubuntu/quantal/libmoosex-semiaffordanceaccessor-perl/typo-fix/+merge/122370? | 15:39 |
| BenC | Laney: …so that seemed to the the correct way to handle it based on other packages, I've uploaded that change | 15:40 |
| bdmurray | mvo: that seems strange | 15:40 |
| dholbach | https://code.launchpad.net/~radumstoica/ubuntu/quantal/libnss-pgsql/typo-fix/+merge/122383 too please | 15:40 |
| BenC | Laney: And after that, it seems the transition is basically done for powerpc (two dep-waits that will eventually trigger today sometime) | 15:41 |
| mvo | bdmurray: I put info how to reproduce into the bugreport now, its a artificial thing that should only be done in a VM | 15:41 |
| bdmurray | mvo: okay, thanks I'll have a look in a bit | 15:42 |
| mvo | bdmurray: its really odd, the conffile is there and all but the diff looks valid instead of crashing | 15:42 |
| xnox | does update-manager -d work against a local mirror? | 15:42 |
| xnox | as in, when there is no network to archive.ubuntu.com | 15:43 |
| xnox | but there is to some other official mirror | 15:43 |
| mvo | xnox: if the mirror is the only server then yes, if you mix it with a official mirorr it will ocmment the local one out | 15:43 |
| BenC | infinity: Is ghci segfaulting on arm? | 15:43 |
| xnox | mvo: what if the official one times-out? | 15:43 |
| xnox | mvo: or otherwise inaccessible? e.g. blocked by firewall? | 15:44 |
| mvo | xnox: I'm not sure, but I don't think its very clever in this case and will just fail | 15:44 |
| xnox | mvo: ok. | 15:44 |
| BenC | Is anyone able to give me shell access to an arm box so I can try to fix ghc? | 15:48 |
| tumbleweed | BenC: http://arm.trystack.org/ <- public access to the calxeda machines | 15:50 |
| tumbleweed | (takes a while to get an account, but I can spin one up and give you acesss to it, if you want) | 15:50 |
| BenC | Thanks, I think I'll actually just fire up a qemu | 15:50 |
| tumbleweed | yaeh, that works well enough for ARM | 15:51 |
| mpt | ev, interesting how errors.ubuntu.com has a spike in errors/day during the weekends, but trunk has a dip in the weekends. | 15:52 |
| ev | hmm, nice spot | 15:52 |
| mpt | (In both cases the pattern might be clearer if they were PDT or CT days rather than UTC -- not that that means you should switch.) | 15:53 |
| ev | some day we'll calculate it by hour | 15:53 |
| ev | and let you zoom in | 15:53 |
| ev | ah | 15:53 |
| ev | I guess that doesn't help here | 15:53 |
| xnox | mpt: buttons as per spec: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IX7RCztyVR5RU0OPsX2CXVh0btKKriD5FR8jiayHfxc?feat=directlink | 15:55 |
| * xnox is dissappointed that (a) gtk does not have symbolic stock buttons (b) that I couldn't simply use + and - ascii characters for those "labels" and had to hack together symbolic image with empty text label next to it | 15:56 | |
| mpt | xnox, better, thanks. Someday we'll have buttons smart enough to glob together (like USC's Back and Forward buttons) if you put them right next to each other. | 15:57 |
| mpt | A really smart theme could do that. | 15:57 |
| xnox | mpt: well that was one reason I used toolbar buttons originally, naïvely thinking they'd do the globbing | 15:58 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1189171/ | 15:58 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: sweet, thanks man! | 15:58 |
| xnox | mpt: although in System Settings we have globbing! Open System Settings -> Appearance and notice that (all settings|appearance) | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | cjwatson: awesome, thanks :) | 16:00 |
| xnox | mpt: I am committing this for now, can do globbing later. | 16:00 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: so, your Wacom ISDv4 E2 Finger touch doesn't seem to be detected as a multitouch device. is it appearing in the System Settings -> Wacom Graphics Tablet? | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | let's see if it works | 16:00 |
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| zyga-w510 | cr3, yes | 16:00 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, it's dual touch technically | 16:00 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: technically, but it's not currently working as mutitouch, right? | 16:01 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, it does't work at all now | 16:01 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, touching the screen randomly moves the pointer around | 16:01 |
| mpt | thanks xnox | 16:01 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, actually | 16:01 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: good for me, bad for me :) this is valuable information | 16:01 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, when I tried that just now it _did_ work | 16:01 |
| cr3 | err, s/bad for me/bad for you/ | 16:01 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: it's working as a touch device but not a multitouch device though, right? | 16:02 |
| zyga-w510 | yes | 16:02 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, although a moment ago I'm pretty sure that id did something rather stupid and made the pointer dance around the screen | 16:02 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, in precise I did apply a few udev tweaks that I forgot about and got lost later when I wiped this machine | 16:02 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: ok, so we need to determine whether we want to test whether touchscreens work as touch devices separately from whether they work as multitouch devices | 16:02 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, definitely | 16:03 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, testing this now I realize one more thing is important and relevant for udisks2 and other tests | 16:04 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, the speed of discovery -- it's not instant | 16:04 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, I suspect there's some polling behind the scenes | 16:04 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, I'll add timestamps to my output so that we know better what to do, maybe the 20 second timeout should be changed | 16:04 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: while you're on that machine, could you also pastebin the output of /usr/share/checkbox/scripts/udev_resource? it's so great having all the scripts in checkbox readily available onthe live image to test hardware! | 16:05 |
| zyga-w510 | sure | 16:06 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1189198/ | 16:10 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: hehe, I meant the output of running that script :) | 16:12 |
| zyga-w510 | oh | 16:12 |
| zyga-w510 | I was curious after doing that | 16:12 |
| zyga-w510 | why would you need it ;) | 16:12 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: I love the python3 part, barry will be proud :) | 16:13 |
| zyga-w510 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1189202/ | 16:13 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, that the script is written in python3? | 16:13 |
| barry | cr3: rock! | 16:14 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: lines 480 to 492 look pretty darn good! | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | so drop the rest ! | 16:14 |
| cr3 | ogra_: we're still talking about lines, right? :) | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | yeah, but then your code becomes *perfect* | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | like a haiku :) | 16:15 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, in the pastebin? | 16:15 |
| cr3 | ogra_: 0 lines == 0 bugs | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 16:15 |
| zyga-w510 | category touch? | 16:15 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: yeah, your wacom device seems to be properly detected by the udevadm parser. so at least we're reporting complete information and accurate too, as it's being properly recognized as a TOUCH device | 16:16 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, right, I understand that now, cool, that's very good | 16:16 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: we might need to refine that category for touch vs multitouch | 16:16 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, do you think you'd like a separate multi-touch category (or extra property somewhere) | 16:17 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: I'm very careful before adding categories, so we'll evaluate the need for it as we write tests | 16:18 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, why oh why py3k/py2k bytes type is such a mess :-) | 16:18 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, couldn't py3k use raw_bytes or something | 16:19 |
| barry | zyga-w510: i'm not sure what you mean ;) okay, yeah it's a mess in py2 | 16:19 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, I mean that since it means something totally different then for the sake of easier compatibility the true bytes type in py3k could have been called raw_bytes, leaving bytes as an alias of str to keep the old crappy behavior | 16:21 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, I probably want the impossible | 16:21 |
| zyga-w510 | (I now have to do the ord/chr dance) | 16:21 |
| cr3 | ogra_: I find it unfortunate that the industry still rewards people adding code more than those removing it | 16:22 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, evolution did the same, mind you | 16:22 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: never settle for anything less than the impossible :) | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:22 |
| barry | yeah, given that python 2 is a dead end, it's impossible :) | 16:22 |
| * zyga-w510 wishes for py2.7.9(9) release with from __future__ import bytes3k | 16:23 | |
| zyga-w510 | to suck less | 16:23 |
| cr3 | zyga-w510: evolution is slowly getting rid of the appendice routine | 16:23 |
| cr3 | appendix in english, I mean | 16:24 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, was there a 3to2 program or is there only 2to3? | 16:25 |
| barry | zyga-w510: pep 404 :) | 16:26 |
| zyga-w510 | heh | 16:26 |
| zyga-w510 | yeah | 16:26 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, but in all fairness that policy huts the transition -- I'm not asking for a real 2.8 | 16:26 |
| barry | zyga-w510: there's a rumored 3to2 program, but i've never tried it. frankly i'm not a fan of 2to3 for production or development either (although a cool framework, it's just too slow) | 16:26 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, it's like u getting back to 3k | 16:27 |
| zyga-w510 | s/huts/hurts/ | 16:27 |
| barry | zyga-w510: yeah. it's just that i think that if your py2 code is unicode clean, you will have a much easier time with the transition. caveat that with the tricks we've learned, tools like the six module, and maybe even the re-introduction of u'' in py3.3 for the web framework guys | 16:28 |
| cr3 | barry: wait, why reintroduce u'' for web framework guys? | 16:29 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, what would you do when you had to ship 2/3 programs for the next few years? | 16:29 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, for 2to3 to indicate where it is safe, web is not unicode | 16:29 |
| zyga-w510 | web is _B_Y_T_E_S_ man | 16:29 |
| barry | cr3: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0414/ | 16:30 |
| ScottK | I have packages that run 2to3 at build time and ship both python and python3 binaries, it's not that hard. | 16:30 |
| zyga-w510 | Scott, I wrote mine in py3 so I'm hosed | 16:30 |
| didrocks | ScottK: waow, and you didn't have to adjust anything else? | 16:31 |
| * didrocks always has some adjustement to do after running 2to3 | 16:31 | |
| barry | zyga-w510: i agree, but i'm not the project leader of django/zope/cherrypy/wtfwebetckthxbye | 16:31 |
| ScottK | Upstream coded for it to be done that way. | 16:31 |
| barry | zyga-w510: i've written lots of single-code base py2/py3 compatible code. it's not that hard | 16:31 |
| didrocks | ah ok, it's not the pure python2 first draft, it had been adapated :) | 16:32 |
| barry | zyga-w510: w/o 2to3 | 16:32 |
| infinity | BenC: I haven't been paying attention to GHC (or much of anything) lately. :/ | 16:32 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, so did I today | 16:32 |
| didrocks | adapted* | 16:32 |
| ScottK | Personally, I find it easier for stuff I'm writing to target 2.6+ and make the code work with python and python3. | 16:32 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, except for bytes that I'm actually fixing now | 16:32 |
| ScottK | didrocks: Yes. It's upstream's method for supporting older than python2.6 and python3. | 16:32 |
| cr3 | barry: thanks, I can appreciate this harsh reality: Most of those users couldn't care less about the "purity" of the Python language specification, they just want their websites and applications to work as well as possible. | 16:32 |
| barry | ScottK: >= 2.6 is a requirement imho, but some folks have been able to go all the way back to 2.4 with single code base. | 16:33 |
| didrocks | ScottK: that's nice :) | 16:33 |
| zyga-w510 | cr3, end of quote ;) | 16:33 |
| barry | zyga-w510: yeah, that's what i mean. the bytes v. strings model must be solid, which is not always easy. (e.g. email is both) | 16:33 |
| ScottK | So is DNS. | 16:34 |
| zyga-w510 | yeah, I fully agree | 16:34 |
| barry | ScottK: yeah | 16:34 |
| barry | zyga-w510, cr3, ScottK: many people have found this compatibility library to be very helpful: http://packages.python.org/six/ | 16:35 |
| ScottK | I've heard about it, but haven't used it. | 16:35 |
| barry | and of course it's available as python-six and python3-six | 16:35 |
| zyga-w510 | wow | 16:35 |
| zyga-w510 | six.binary_type | 16:35 |
| zyga-w510 | ++ | 16:35 |
| zyga-w510 | cool, thanks | 16:35 |
| barry | i haven't needed to use it myself, but i've occasionally lifted tricks from it :) | 16:35 |
| cr3 | barry: exponent is even more powerful than multiplication, so eight will certainly be even better than six! | 16:37 |
| mpt | ev, speak of the devil: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114961700/libreoffice-upgrade.png | 16:37 |
| ev | mpt: ICK | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | barry: Oh, which reminds me: am I safe to assume at this point that we really aren't going to revert to py2, and start ripping out compatibility code from ubiquity? | 16:38 |
| zyga-w510 | heh | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | It's not a desperate hardship to keep it, but I kind of figure I'd have heard by now if we were going back | 16:39 |
| zyga-w510 | barry, I wonder if angry mint-switching users will fork python2.7 and release minthoon-2.8 ;) | 16:40 |
| xnox | zyga-w510: mint users are ok, until they take my packages from ubuntu (!) and report bugs against debian (!!) that it doesn't work with mint-foo (!!!) | 16:43 |
| zyga-w510 | ^_^ | 16:43 |
| zyga-w510 | well | 16:44 |
| zyga-w510 | you can't blame them | 16:44 |
| zyga-w510 | they go upstream, right | 16:44 |
| silverarrow | what`s wrong with mint then? | 16:44 |
| xnox | silverarrow: forking core libs & changing API&ABI without rebuilding r-deps in the whole archive.... shall I continue? | 16:45 |
| barry | cjwatson: no going backward only forward :) it does mean will have to ship py2.7 and 3.3 for 12.10 and try again to remove 2.7 from the 13.04 isos, but i have no problem with you ripping out the compatibility code and making it a clean py3 app. that's what we're doing with gwibber (though it won't make it for 12.10 obviously) | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | silverarrow, supressing security updates | 16:46 |
| silverarrow | might get messy | 16:46 |
| barry | zyga-w510: :) | 16:46 |
| silverarrow | ubuntu have at least been very good with security updates | 16:47 |
| xnox | barry: should the rest of the task still be completed on the best effort bases from the python-versions spec? | 16:48 |
| xnox | s/task/tasks/ | 16:49 |
| xnox | barry: and is xapian the road-block blocking everything else? | 16:49 |
| barry | xnox: yes, if possible. i've copied the spreadsheet to a new one for 13.04 and removed all the green. i'll publish that soon, but i definitely want to get a jump on the ports for 13.04. | 16:50 |
| barry | xnox: xapian, twisted, and the launchpadlib stack are big blockers | 16:50 |
| barry | xnox: twisted is probably in the best shape (people are actively working on it). the lplib stack and xapian are still the most problematic | 16:51 |
| xnox | barry: ok. | 16:52 |
| xnox | barry: by launchpadlib you mean the bug reporting integration for apps or just the pythonic api to talk to launchpad (e.g. stuff like lp-shell and etc)? | 16:52 |
| barry | xnox: well, actually, i will have to re-evaluate it for 13.04. launchpad-integration was the package that needed porting but it no longer has an ubuntu-desktop task afaict | 16:57 |
| barry | xnox: if we can ignore that stack, i would be ecstatic | 16:57 |
| xnox | barry: yes, because it's dropped. We have whoopsie & apport instead. | 16:57 |
| xnox | barry: it's dead =) & on the way out. | 16:58 |
| ev | whoop | 16:58 |
| didrocks | sie? :) | 16:58 |
| barry | ev you are my bff :) | 16:58 |
| ev | barry: well lets get bracelets made then | 16:59 |
| [snake] | can I compile something into a directory that I specify? | 16:59 |
| [snake] | with make | 16:59 |
| barry | xnox, ev: which cuts out wadllib, and a host of other really nasty and difficult to port stuff. win! | 17:00 |
| [snake] | I've written a patch for xchat and I want to compile it somewhere where it doesn't overwrite my normal xchat | 17:00 |
| * xnox is googling for custom made bracelets "whoop" for ev and "sie" for barry | 17:00 | |
| ev | haha | 17:00 |
| barry | :) | 17:01 |
| * xnox they will have "signed by didrocks" signature trademark. And inside will have a writting like in Lord of the Rings "To collect all bugs and unite all crashes..." | 17:01 | |
| didrocks | heh :) | 17:01 |
| [snake] | target in the man page for make is where it compiles correct? | 17:02 |
| xnox | [snake]: #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on ubuntu. This a channel for developing ubuntu itself. | 17:03 |
| [snake] | xnox, what if I am make-ing ubuntu? | 17:03 |
| mpt | "Replace the customized configuration file '/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades'?" </irony> | 17:04 |
| [snake] | xnox, I mean, I'm not, but the question is just about make | 17:04 |
| [snake] | :( | 17:04 |
| xnox | mpt: I call BS =) | 17:04 |
| bismay | Hii I want to be an ubuntu app developer any suggestions from where I should start?? Currently i have knowledge of c and c++ | 17:04 |
| xnox | [snake]: google for out of the tree builds, or VPATH builds then | 17:04 |
| mpt | xnox, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114963812/update-manager-conf-file.png | 17:04 |
| tsimpson | [snake]: set a different --prefix with configure | 17:05 |
| mpt | bismay, questions like that are better in #ubuntu-app-devel, but the short answer is <http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/> | 17:06 |
| [snake] | tsimpson, oh, thanks :) I checked and target was just what you're compiling. so thanks for telling me that | 17:06 |
| bismay | mpt, thanks..:) | 17:06 |
| xnox | mpt: that bug was already reported =) | 17:06 |
| mpt | xnox, I didn't see it when I searched. | 17:07 |
| mpt | xnox, it's bug 1046942 if you want to mark it as a duplicate. | 17:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046942 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Replace the customized configuration file '/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades'?"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046942 | 17:07 |
| xnox | bdmurray: what was the bug for Libreoffice prompt vs Prompt? Or is mpt the first reporter? | 17:08 |
| mpt | I was not | 17:08 |
| === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck | ||
| xnox | mpt: wait.... why update manager. Me is confused. | 17:08 |
| xnox | maybe it's a different one | 17:09 |
| mpt | xnox, the libreoffice one is bug 918352 | 17:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 918352 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Debconf prompt for /etc/libreoffice/sofficerc when upgrading to precise" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/918352 | 17:09 |
| nuclearbob | can anybody field a casper question for me? | 17:09 |
| mpt | Now I'm about to report a gdm one | 17:09 |
| bdmurray | xnox: bug 1045579 | 17:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1045579 in software-properties (Ubuntu Quantal) "software-properties-gtk makes a change resulting in a conf file prompt on upgrade that's unnecessary" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045579 | 17:10 |
| xnox | bdmurray: thanks. mpt ^^^^ | 17:10 |
| mpt | ohhhh | 17:10 |
| xnox | mpt: I can totally understand how easy it is to relate your & that bug titles | 17:11 |
| xnox | =)))))))))))) | 17:11 |
| === mcclurmc is now known as mcclurmc_away | ||
| mpt | xnox, also, it was filed against a different package, so I wouldn't have seen it anyway. | 17:25 |
| xnox | mpt: haha. True. It has now been marked against the package that is causing the error, not the package where the file belongs nor the window that shows it. | 17:25 |
| xnox | mpt: it's same way that adobe acrobat reader, is causing similar errors on gnome-mimetypes package upgrade. Or something like that =) | 17:26 |
| === cpg|away is now known as cpg | ||
| * mpt arrives at the "Remove obsolete packages" stage (bug 940789) | 17:34 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 940789 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Obsolete packages will be removed" dialogue is too tall for netbook screen with KDE front end" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940789 | 17:34 |
| === Nisstyre_ is now known as Nisstyre | ||
| xnox | mpt: you are using KDE?! | 17:50 |
| * xnox is a bit sad =( | 17:51 | |
| xnox | mpt: or does it affect gtk front-end as well? | 17:51 |
| mpt | xnox, I think it affects GTK coincidentally | 17:55 |
| mpt | It's a typical GTK2 dialog that hasn't been ported to GTK3 and ballooned in height | 17:55 |
| mpt | reported as bug 1046955 | 17:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046955 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Remove obsolete packages?" prompt is taller than the screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046955 | 17:56 |
| xnox | mpt i will take it for the jam then. | 17:59 |
| stokachu | hi has anyone seen an error like this before > http://paste.ubuntu.com/1189405/ | 18:18 |
| stokachu | attempting to checkout a branch on precise | 18:18 |
| stokachu | not sure if this is a launchpad issue or not | 18:20 |
| mpt | stokachu, I get the same error, so I think it is a Launchpad problem. Try asking in #launchpad. | 18:22 |
| mpt | stokachu, I get the same error, so I think it is a Launchpad problem. Try asking in #launchpad. | 18:22 |
| === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ | ||
| stokachu | mpt: thanks will do | 18:23 |
| scott-work | skaet: i have done what i can at this time | 18:33 |
| skaet | thanks scott-work | 18:33 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| stokachu | cyphermox: is http://pad.lv/872824 something you would approve a full a quantal patch for precise even though strongswan has seen at least 2 release bumps | 18:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 872824 in network-manager-strongswan (Ubuntu Precise) "Network-manager locks up when adding strongSwan VPN connection" [Critical,Triaged] | 18:36 |
| stokachu | there seems to be several code changes from precise to quantal and i dont think cherry-picking will be trivial | 18:38 |
| cyphermox | stokachu: what about backporting strongswan? I think it should be doable, it's in universe and IIRC has no reverse-depends except itself | 18:41 |
| cyphermox | stokachu: the bzr error, I got the same earlier this morning; but I don't know what causes it, let me know if you find out | 18:44 |
| stokachu | cyphermox: ah, yea its a bug i had to add launchpad.packaging_verbosity = off to my ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf | 18:44 |
| cyphermox | blarg | 18:45 |
| stokachu | cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/888615 | 18:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 888615 in Bazaar "UDD branch freshness checker breaks on incomplete history" [High,Confirmed] | 18:45 |
| stokachu | the history is incomplete on that branch as well | 18:45 |
| stokachu | it isn't showing the latest changelog for the released version of network-manager | 18:46 |
| cyphermox | it isn't? | 18:46 |
| cyphermox | stokachu: anyway, there is the right stuff in lp:~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.precise | 18:46 |
| stokachu | network-manager (0.9.3.995+git201203152001.04b2a74-0ubuntu1) precise; urgency=low is the latest one in changelog | 18:46 |
| cyphermox | let me know if you | 18:46 |
| cyphermox | need to make changes, I'm preparing a SRU locally | 18:47 |
| stokachu | ok will do | 18:47 |
| stokachu | cyphermox: yea i think it would be best to backport strongswan and network-manager-strongswan to precise | 18:49 |
| cyphermox | stokachu: can you file the appropriate bugs? | 18:50 |
| stokachu | cyphermox: sure thing, thanks :) | 18:50 |
| * micahg points stokachu at requestbackport | 18:51 | |
| stokachu | micahg: ah nice | 18:51 |
| ev | pitti: if you're still around. Why does apport-retrace now need a terminal emulator? | 19:08 |
| ev | r2009 | 19:08 |
| ev | I can't find any other reference in the log | 19:08 |
| trism | ev: it pops up a terminal to show progress when downloading packages if you use "Examine Locally" from the apport dialog (though depend might be a bit strong) | 19:12 |
| ev | trism: but that's in apport-gtk, not apport-retrace | 19:12 |
| trism | ev: yes but apport-retrace enables the functionality | 19:14 |
| ev | trism: sure, but that seems the wrong way around to me. apport-retrace is a headless application, it doesn't need to pull in the universe. | 19:15 |
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| trism | ev: good point, the changelog hints it was added a couple months ago in 2.2.3-0ubuntu1, not sure | 19:39 |
| mterry | ev, heyo! Do you know how to extract a trace-with-symbols from errors.ubuntu.com? | 19:59 |
| dobey | mterry: hrmm; actually, looking at the "Problem failed:/blah/blah" strings, I wonder if it is due to some obscurbe multiarch issue on the error reporting box that breaks the retracing | 20:01 |
| === Nisstyre is now known as Nisstyre-laptop | ||
| ev | mterry: can you point me at the problem you're looking at? | 20:07 |
| mterry | ev, like https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=failed%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Findicator-weather%3A11%3Ax86_64%3A%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibglib-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B1cf08%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibdbusmenu-glib.so.4.0.13%2Baca2%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibdbusmenu-glib.so.4.0.13%2Bcafa%3A%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibglib-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B47d53%3A%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibglib-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B480a0%3A%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linu | 20:11 |
| mterry | x-gnu%2Flibglib-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B4849a%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.10%2B1342f7%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fpython2.7%2Fdist-packages%2Fgtk-2.0%2Fgtk%2F_gtk.so%2B1ac046%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fpython2.7%2B9890a%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fpython2.7%2B98602%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fpython2.7%2B9f1c0%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fpython2.7%2Ba9081%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fpython2.7%2Ba9311%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fpython2.7%2Baa8bd%3A%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibc-2.15.so%2B2176d | 20:11 |
| ev | mterry: that's one that failed to retrace | 20:12 |
| ev | mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/daisy/+bug/1044418 | 20:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1044418 in Daisy "Reprocess failed retraces" [Undecided,New] | 20:12 |
| mterry | ev, OK... is that what the "failed:" prefix means? | 20:12 |
| ev | yes | 20:12 |
| ev | I'm making a note to make that more obvious | 20:12 |
| ev | as this is not the first time it's come up | 20:12 |
| mterry | ev, OK makes sense. Thanks! | 20:13 |
| jdstrand | barry: hi! are we expecting only one python3 in main? I see python3.3 in the archive is wanting to come in (I'd really prefer to support only one py2 and one py3) | 20:27 |
| xnox | jdstrand: due to a bug in python3-defaults 3.3 will not become default, which blocks switching to it. | 20:29 |
| xnox | jdstrand: so while it might be in the archive both 3.2 & 3.3 will not be supported (e.g. modules will not be compiled against both) | 20:29 |
| xnox | jdstrand: my guess is that it will mean that python3.3 will be in universe this cycle. | 20:29 |
| jdstrand | xnox: thanks, that works fine for me | 20:30 |
| * jdstrand points to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 20:30 | |
| jdstrand | 'distribute' wants it in main | 20:31 |
| barry | jdstrand, xnox plus 3.3 final is not out yet, so yeah, we're carrying 3.2 and 3.3 for 12.10 | 20:33 |
| barry | and we know that there are a few bugs in 3.3 that will bite people. e.g. the ancient version of zope.interfaces is not compatible w/3.3 so we (and debian too) need to upgrade that to z.i 4.0.1 | 20:34 |
| xnox | barry: jdstrand cares about 3.3 in the main or in the universe ? | 20:34 |
| xnox | barry: will 3.3 be supported in any way (e.g. modules compiled for it) | 20:35 |
| infinity | Methinks this means 3.3 should stay in universe, and distribute should be made to love 3.2. | 20:35 |
| barry | yeah 3.3 in uni | 20:35 |
| xnox | oh... yes, I agree with infinity. | 20:35 |
| ScottK | Distribute does love 3.2, it's just not monogamous | 20:35 |
| barry | % apt-cache showsrc python3.3 | grep -i section | 20:35 |
| barry | Section: universe/python | 20:35 |
| barry | 20:35 | |
| infinity | barry: Yeah, we know it's in universe, that's what started this whole conversation. :P | 20:36 |
| barry | oh :) | 20:36 |
| infinity | barry: doko uploaded a version of distribute that build-deps on 3.3 | 20:36 |
| jdstrand | one of them in universe is all I care about :) | 20:36 |
| infinity | doko: Plz fix. | 20:36 |
| infinity | doko: Or I will. | 20:37 |
| jdstrand | thanks! :) | 20:37 |
| barry | infinity lays the smackdown | 20:37 |
| xnox | infinity: I was about to ask how did a package manage to build-dep on 3.3 if only doko uploaded 3.3 & didn't add it as supported.... | 20:37 |
| ScottK | infinity: I'm sure he got an FFe before uploading that. | 20:37 |
| infinity | ScottK: Sarcasm is unbecoming. | 20:38 |
| * barry runs away back to #gwibber | 20:38 | |
| xnox | slangasek: was that I hint, I should write release notes ? =) | 20:43 |
| xnox | slangasek: was that a hint, I should write release notes ? =) | 20:44 |
| slangasek | xnox: yes :) | 20:44 |
| * infinity waits for the second "xnox: yes :)" | 20:44 | |
| xnox | slangasek: also the whiteboard needs clean up | 20:44 |
| slangasek | probably | 20:45 |
| slangasek | xnox: release note is a higher priority though, as this is currently a gap in the tech overview for beta1 | 20:45 |
| doko | infinity, xnox: distribute should support 3.3 as well | 20:45 |
| doko | but maybe I'll just b-d on 3.2 | 20:45 |
| xnox | doko: danke. | 20:46 |
| haakonn | Why is not ubuntu updating packages from debian sid? or at least my package | 20:46 |
| infinity | doko: I was just fixing it to not b-d on 3.3 | 20:46 |
| xnox | haakonn: because ubuntu is currently frozen. | 20:46 |
| doko | ahh, thanks | 20:46 |
| xnox | haakonn: and so is debian. | 20:46 |
| haakonn | already? ok | 20:46 |
| xnox | haakonn: check quantal release schedule, debian import freeze is quite early. This is when we stop auto syncing. You can request a sync with requestsync if it is suitable per ubuntu policy, you might also need FFe | 20:47 |
| haakonn | FFe? | 20:49 |
| jbicha | haakonn: it's short for Feature Freeze Exception, bug fixes are fine but new features need approval | 20:52 |
| jbicha | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess | 20:52 |
| haakonn | jbicha: Hm. it has both bugfixes and new features. Is it hard to get approval? | 21:00 |
| jbicha | haakonn: it depends; is it in universe? does it affect many other packages? how well tested is it? | 21:07 |
| slangasek | xnox: prelim release notes added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 | 21:08 |
| haakonn | jbernard: it is in universe yes, and it does not affect any other packages. It has been tested for a month by me and a few other poeple. | 21:21 |
| haakonn | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mactelnet | 21:22 |
| jbernard | jbicha: ^ | 21:22 |
| haakonn | yes, sorry | 21:22 |
| jbernard | haakonn: no worries | 21:22 |
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