[16:06] <tumbleweed> anyone up for a MOTU meeting?
[16:07] <coolbhavi> o/
[16:08] <tumbleweed> just the two of us? oh well, this should be quick
[16:09] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting weekly MOTU meeting
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[16:09] <tumbleweed> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[16:09] <coolbhavi> tumbleweed, I missed the previous meeting though I have news from DAT side
[16:10] <tumbleweed> #topic review of previous action items
[16:10] <tumbleweed> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings/2012-08-23
[16:10] <tumbleweed> hrm, there were none
[16:11] <tumbleweed> #topic Killing off sqlite 2 (src:sqlite)
[16:11] <coolbhavi> yes
[16:11] <tumbleweed> micahg: around?
[16:12] <tumbleweed> oh, well, if he turns up...
[16:12] <tumbleweed> #topic Update from DeveloperAdvisoryTeam
[16:12] <tumbleweed> coolbhavi?
[16:13] <micahg> o/
[16:14] <tumbleweed> we can come back to that, after this
[16:14] <dholbach> I'm here too :)
[16:14] <dholbach> not many news from the DAT, business as usual :)
[16:14] <coolbhavi> yep tumbleweed there was one of action items this UDS to give a session on DAT this UOW/UDW I took a session this UDW reg the same logs are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1208/DevAdvisoryTeam
[16:15] <coolbhavi> apart from that no other news
[16:15] <dholbach> ah yes, good job coolbhavi
[16:15] <tumbleweed> thanks
[16:15] <tumbleweed> #topic Killing off sqlite 2 (src:sqlite)
[16:15] <tumbleweed> micahg: all yours
[16:15] <micahg> nothing new yet
[16:16] <micahg> well, xnox fixed the tracker a little more to get us down to ~25 packages
[16:16] <tumbleweed> that sounds doable, with some effort
[16:16] <xnox> there are decisions to be made. There is the whole stack for working with Palm phones (original Palm)
[16:16] <xnox> if we drop that, porting the rest should be easy
[16:17] <micahg> yeah, I probably won't be able to do much with it until the end of the month though, so if someone else wans to, feel free
[16:17] <xnox> was it like half of those 25 packages?
[16:17] <micahg> xnox: have you spoken with Debian at all?
[16:17] <xnox> micahg: that is the next action to do
[16:18] <tumbleweed> xnox: you taking an action for that?
[16:19] <xnox> sure =)
[16:19] <tumbleweed> what's the plam stack called?
[16:19] <micahg> gpe*
[16:20] <tumbleweed> #action xnox to speak to the debian gpe maintainers about dropping it (it depends on sqlite)
[16:20] <meetingology> ACTION: xnox to speak to the debian gpe maintainers about dropping it (it depends on sqlite)
[16:20] <tumbleweed> moving on
[16:20] <tumbleweed> #topic Review UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[16:20] <dholbach> I had a chat with a couple of people in #ubuntu-devel and wrote about it to the mailing list
[16:20] <tumbleweed> anything this week? I think not?
[16:21] <tumbleweed> oh, yes saw that
[16:21] <dholbach> there were concerns that some fixes would better be sent to Debian
[16:21] <xnox> yeah.
[16:21] <xnox> I added fontfixing & seems like some/most have been sponsored now.
[16:21] <dholbach> and also that the sponsoring queue might fill up with trivial fixes, which I feel is a lesser issue
[16:21] <dholbach> thanks xnox!
[16:21] <xnox> Do we need to check remaining  $font packages to see if they are ok or not?
[16:21] <dholbach> I wrote an article for the packaging guide to make it easier to make a decision where a specific bug fix should go
[16:22] <tumbleweed> have we seen a reasonable influx since UDW?
[16:22] <micahg> xnox: well, someone should probably :), perhaps an archive scan?
[16:22] <dholbach> I hope that will help solve the issue of debian fixes going to ubuntu
[16:22] <tumbleweed> I've certainly noticed some trivial things in the queue that could have come from UDW
[16:22] <dholbach> tumbleweed, yes - there's a lot of interest - next week I hope to start hangout sessions, etc to help get more people involved
[16:22] <xnox> micahg: meh. Grep Contents, install it and either run font-config over them & launch some app =)
[16:23] <micahg> xnox: is the problem only visible at run time, or should a regex detect it? (think lintian lab scan)
[16:24] <dholbach> that's all I have for now
[16:24] <tumbleweed> that's all we have on the agenda
[16:24] <tumbleweed> #topic any other business?
[16:25] <dholbach> not from me
[16:25] <coolbhavi> dholbach, timings of the hangout please? I'd love to join :)
[16:25] <dholbach> coolbhavi, not sure yet, but I'll let you know :)
[16:25] <xnox> micahg: lintian can, not sure if it already does.
[16:25] <coolbhavi> dholbach, sure thanks!
[16:26] <tumbleweed> ok, let's wind this up
[16:26] <tumbleweed> #endmeeting
[16:26] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep  6 16:26:25 2012 UTC.
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[16:26] <tumbleweed> thanks everyone
[16:26] <coolbhavi> thanks tumbleweed
[16:26] <dholbach> thanks :)
[16:27]  * coolbhavi hopes to start the motu-school sessions again but got busy in arb-duties
[16:59] <coolbhavi> is the cc meeting now?
[16:59] <dholbach> yep
[16:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:00] <dholbach> who do we have here from CC and ARB?
[17:00] <czajkowski> pleia2: beuno ping
[17:00] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: ping
[17:00] <Gwaihir> o/
[17:01] <czajkowski> so we have 3 CC so far
[17:01] <coolbhavi> dholbach, I am here from the ARB
[17:01]  * beuno is otp and will be for a while
[17:01] <coolbhavi> wendar, ping
[17:01] <dholbach> highvoltage, stgraber: around?
[17:02] <wendar> \o
[17:02] <dholbach> hey :)
[17:02] <dholbach> let's get started then :)
[17:02] <coolbhavi> hey wendar :)
[17:02] <dholbach> #startmeeting
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[17:02] <dholbach> #topic Meet-Up with the ARB
[17:02] <dholbach> how are you all doing? :)
[17:02] <wendar> great, thanks :)
[17:03] <coolbhavi> I am fine dholbach :) how about you?
[17:03] <czajkowski> Thanks for coming folks
[17:03] <dholbach> doing well, thanks :)
[17:03] <dholbach> how is the restaffing of the ARB going?
[17:03] <highvoltage> hey dholbach
[17:03] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[17:03] <dholbach> I saw that Alessio volunteered
[17:03] <highvoltage> (my attention span is really chopped up today)
[17:04] <highvoltage> is this the CC catch-up with the ARB?
[17:04] <dholbach> yes
[17:04] <czajkowski> highvoltage: yup
[17:04] <highvoltage> great.
[17:04] <czajkowski> wendar: so how are things in the ARB going?
[17:06] <dholbach> highvoltage, coolbhavi: I guess you can answer the questions too :)
[17:06] <czajkowski> anyone can
[17:06] <czajkowski> true
[17:06] <czajkowski> sorry
[17:06] <highvoltage> well, technically I resigned from the ARB a few weeks back and just opportunistically doing a little when I have a chance
[17:07] <highvoltage> (and keeping up with the list)
[17:07] <dholbach> how are you dealing with the aftermath of the app showdown?
[17:07] <highvoltage> but I'm not sure I'm the best person to comment on it. the arb is kind of complicated :)
[17:07] <dholbach> I saw a lot of activity in the last few weeks on the mailing list
[17:07] <coolbhavi> dholbach, thanks! we are just going through the queue as a backdrop of successful app showdown :)
[17:08] <czajkowski> highvoltage: in what way, I note this is the 2nd meeting of the ARB as we got to meet ye last cycle, so have things changed? improved or?
[17:08] <dholbach> it was successful indeed :)
[17:08] <wendar> I can vouch for the fact that coolbhavi has been amazing, reviewing apps at a record pace
[17:08] <highvoltage> dholbach: indeed, there's been a lot of progress, I believe the majority of the apps had received feedback on them, a few of them have been published and I believe the majority of them still needs to be, but I think that's going ok
[17:08] <wendar> and highvoltage managed 50 in a couple of weeks, which was super-human
[17:08] <coolbhavi> thanks wendar :)
[17:08]  * highvoltage thought it was more than that :)
[17:09] <wendar> highvoltage: 75? it was outrageous anyway
[17:09] <coolbhavi> highvoltage, 53 votes as per the stats go :)
[17:09] <highvoltage> I think it was around 90 iirc. being at debconf helped :)
[17:09] <dholbach> awesome :)
[17:09] <wendar> I do know that when I was working full-time on the queue in Feb and March, I was able to battle it down to only 20 apps in the queue
[17:10] <wendar> but, my current job leaves me very little time for open source work, so I'm not much help anymore
[17:10] <dholbach> did recent apps get a bit easier to review?
[17:11] <wendar> yes, there have been some new tools put in place that help
[17:11] <coolbhavi> btw I am trying to clear the amount of apps which have +3 votes by uploading them whenever I find time
[17:11] <wendar> and many of the App Showdown submissions were cookie-cutter Quickly apps
[17:11] <wendar> coolbhavi: thanks!
[17:12]  * dholbach likes cookie cutters :)
[17:12] <wendar> yup, they simplify many things
[17:12] <coolbhavi> wendar, +1 again quickly is quick to review :)
[17:12] <dholbach> how was the response for the call for nominations?
[17:13] <wendar> one, who looks like a great candidate
[17:13]  * coolbhavi saw one application on the list from alessio
[17:13] <highvoltage> dholbach: re apps being easier to review, the fixes in quickly helped a lot. it would've been awesome if quickly was fixed before the showdown :)
[17:13] <czajkowski> wendar: do you think it'll be easy to fill the roles, are more people expiring ?
[17:13] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to reach out to some arb helpers?
[17:14] <wendar> unfortunately, I don't think it will be, and we really need the help
[17:14] <wendar> with the round of expiring memberships on Sept 13, we'll be down to 2 members
[17:14] <czajkowski> why do you think it'll be hard?
[17:14] <czajkowski> the work load? or is the board big enough?
[17:15] <wendar> with the one new candidate, that'll be 3, which is the bare minimum needed to approve an app (and means every member has to vote on every app)
[17:15] <coolbhavi> dholbach, seeing the response I think reaching out to helpers might be a good thing to do
[17:15] <dholbach> and maybe blog about it again?
[17:15] <czajkowski> wendar: doesn;t leave much for wiggle room
[17:15] <wendar> dholbach: yes, new helpers would be good, or figuring out where the helpers we had during the App Showdown went?
[17:15] <coolbhavi> czajkowski, and the deadline was sept 5th IIRC
[17:16] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to mail them?
[17:16] <wendar> dholbach: I'm afraid we burned them out, or they got discouraged when they put in all that work preparing apps that then blocked on voting
[17:16] <coolbhavi> for new nominations
[17:16] <dholbach> is anyone from the expiring ARB members planning to come back again?
[17:16] <wendar> czajkowski: yes, I think the workload is daunting right now
[17:16] <czajkowski> wendar: so if you take away the app contest, how many apps would you normaly have?
[17:17] <coolbhavi> wendar, +1
[17:17] <wendar> czajkowski: of course, spreading that out over more members helps, but it's tough to recruit for such a workload
[17:17] <czajkowski> did the ARB know the app contest was happening, so ye could plan ?
[17:18] <dholbach> maybe the new members could try to reach out to the app developer community for some help with the reviews?
[17:18] <wendar> dholbach: ajmitch will return. I'm not an Ubuntu Developer yet, so not qualified. (I'm one of the people who encouraged making UD a requirement, because I think it really should be)
[17:18] <dholbach> that makes it harder
[17:18] <coolbhavi> czajkowski, yes we were contacted by jono
[17:18] <wendar> dholbach: coolbhavi's term is not ending until next year, and no one else is returning
[17:19] <czajkowski> :/
[17:19] <wendar> czajkowski: yes, it would have helped to have more advance notice of the app contest, we were scrambling at the last minute
[17:19] <wendar> czajkowski: though, I don't think anyone expected it would be *that* successful
[17:19] <coolbhavi> czajkowski, but we were taken off by the success it had because it was all quick I believe
[17:20] <czajkowski> nods
[17:20] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to extend the call for nominations then
[17:20] <wendar> czajkowski: our usuall submission rate was about 5/week, which was managable by one person (me) full-time
[17:20] <czajkowski> yea so that is a massive jump
[17:20] <czajkowski> wendar: coolbhavi highvoltage do you think extending the deadline and possibly increasing the ARB would be a good idea
[17:21] <czajkowski> I note there has been a lengthy discussion on ubuntu-devel on the ARB process
[17:21] <coolbhavi> czajkowski, certainly +1 here we need members
[17:21] <wendar> Improvements to the ABR process will help, but we are talking 6+ months of development work to get the tools in place
[17:22] <wendar> in the mean-time we do still have a stack of developers waiting for a response, and it seems unfair to leave them waiting
[17:22] <czajkowski> how invovolved were the aRB in the draftng of this process, I guess ye would know from hands on experience ?
[17:22] <dholbach> sure, in the meantime, there needs to be an active team of ARB helpers + members
[17:22] <wendar> by "extending the deadline" do you mean allowing more nominations after Sept 5th?
[17:22] <czajkowski> wendar: yes
[17:22] <coolbhavi> dholbach, yes agreed
[17:23] <czajkowski> wendar: we could extend it another week or 10 days
[17:23] <czajkowski> do you think that would help ?
[17:23] <wendar> I'm happy to extend the deadline as long as needed, but what do we do about the expiring members?
[17:23] <wendar> we can't approve apps with only 2 members
[17:23] <czajkowski> yes that is a bit of an issue alright.
[17:24] <czajkowski> and holding up apps with the vote, increases the backlog
[17:24] <dholbach> I'm sure the TB can extend the expiration period
[17:24] <wendar> czajkowski: the ARB did review the proposal before it was posted to ubuntu-devel, and contributed substantial changes
[17:24] <dholbach> of course I can't speak for the TB, but the CC has done this various times before
[17:24] <czajkowski> wendar: good to hear.
[17:24] <dholbach> and if only for a ocuple of weeks to get things organised
[17:24] <czajkowski> dholbach: +1
[17:24] <coolbhavi> wendar, can we mail luke to get him involved here? I havent seen him for ages though
[17:25] <wendar> coolbhavi: I don't expect much from him, and have been considering him "expired" with the rest, even though his term lasts until next year
[17:25] <coolbhavi> hmm
[17:25] <dholbach> in that case we should reach out to him
[17:25] <dholbach> I can do that if you like
[17:26] <wendar> coolbhavi: he signed up when we promised "no more than 5 hours/week" so I don't think he had enough time available
[17:26] <coolbhavi> ok
[17:26] <wendar> dholbach: you can, or I can, but be gentle
[17:26] <dholbach> of course
[17:27] <wendar> dholbach: it's really just a question of whether he has any time, and if not well let him go with no hard feelings
[17:27] <dholbach> exactly
[17:27] <dholbach> I can also help liaise with the TB to get an extension of your terms, so there's a bit more time for nominations
[17:27] <dholbach> how do you like the new spec - do you think that'd be our best shot at solving the apps problem?
[17:27] <wendar> I hate to make the one really good candidate wait for more nominations
[17:28] <wendar> could we recruit him and then do another round of nominations?
[17:28] <dholbach> yes, I guess that should be possible too
[17:28] <coolbhavi> dholbach, that would be great but I go with wendar here
[17:28] <dholbach> I can start the conversation with the TB tomorrow
[17:28] <wendar> sure, that sounds good
[17:29] <dholbach> excellent
[17:29] <wendar> I'm  not sure if the other members want their terms extended, but I'm certainly happy to continue until we restaff
[17:29] <dholbach> cool, I'll include everyone in the discussion
[17:29] <coolbhavi> dholbach, great
[17:30] <dholbach> how do you like the new spec - do you think that'd be our best shot at solving the apps problem?
[17:31] <wendar> As I've mentoned elsewhere, I don't 100% agree with the new spec. But, we desperately need some work in the direction of automated packaging/sandboxing.
[17:31] <dholbach> agreed
[17:31] <wendar> And I'm confident we can hit a good agreement for the next 6-month cycle of work.
[17:31] <dholbach> coolbhavi, highvoltage - how do you feel about it?
[17:32] <coolbhavi> dholbach, by an initial read its much better than existing one and one part I liked was removing manual reviews which were the bottlenecks this showdown I believe
[17:32] <wendar> I'm actually really encouraged by the discussion on the ubuntu-devel list. It's lengthy, but the tone is quite healthy. A night and day difference from the initial discussion when the ARB was launched. :)
[17:33] <dholbach> and it seems to be quite focused on one particular part of it :)
[17:34] <highvoltage> dholbach: the new spec? well, dropping the /opt requirements will bring more problems than it solves, afaict
[17:34] <wendar> highvoltage: yes, I'm also in favor of keeping the /opt requirement
[17:34] <dholbach> it will be interesting to see how the discussion works out and which new solutions will be presented
[17:34]  * coolbhavi seconds highvoltage 
[17:35] <dholbach> I think all my questions are answered - Gwaihir, czajkowski, pleia2?
[17:35] <highvoltage> I don't like the opt requirement, it is inconvenient, it does add a challenge, it does make it harder to get that same package into the debian/ubuntu archives, but it's also the only way you can prevent filename clashes reliably
[17:35] <pleia2> no, I'm good for now
[17:36] <Gwaihir> dholbach, I'm good for now too
[17:36] <czajkowski> no I'm ok thanks.
[17:36] <dholbach> ok, I'm happy to help with the restaffing
[17:36] <dholbach> I hope we get some more good candidates :)
[17:37] <dholbach> is there anything else from you, the ARB, which we CC folks could help with?
[17:38] <coolbhavi> dholbach, I'm fine here as my only concern was restaffing
[17:38] <wendar> we really appreciate the time to talk, it's helpful
[17:38] <pleia2> thanks for coming :)
[17:38] <dholbach> cool :)
[17:38] <dholbach> thanks a lot! :)
[17:38] <coolbhavi> wendar, I have a suggestion here
[17:39] <wendar> coolbhavi: yup?
[17:39] <coolbhavi> maybe we can elaborate the ubuntu developer requirement and state that we arent looking out for MOTU/Core dev explicitly as a requirement?
[17:40] <coolbhavi> then we can get more applications I guess
[17:40] <wendar> the call for nominations did say "not a requirement"
[17:40]  * ScottK thought it was supposed to be a requirement.
[17:40] <wendar> but, we can certainly work to make the second call even more welcoming
[17:41] <wendar> ScottK: being an Ubuntu Developer is a requirement
[17:41] <ScottK> OK.
[17:41] <wendar> ScottK: being MOTU/core-dev isn't
[17:41] <ScottK> Right.  That bug still exists.
[17:41] <coolbhavi> yes but the general feeling is ubuntu developer straight goes to MOTU/core dev
[17:41] <coolbhavi> ScottK, +1
[17:42] <wendar> well, they could be a Kubuntu developer
[17:42] <wendar> that'd be fine
[17:42] <wendar> or a DD
[17:42] <wendar> (as well as UD)
[17:42] <coolbhavi> fine with me though :)
[17:42] <dholbach> :)
[17:42] <dholbach> perfect
[17:42] <dholbach> anything else or shall we move on?
[17:43] <wendar> nothing from here, thanks!
[17:43] <dholbach> thanks again :)
[17:43] <dholbach> #topic any other business?
[17:43] <coolbhavi> dholbach and the CC: thanks for your time!
[17:44] <dholbach> the only thing I have on my list is the CoC update and I think it's still with YokoZar - I mailed him today about it
[17:44] <dholbach> but that's all I have
[17:44] <dholbach> anyone else?
[17:44] <czajkowski> nope
[17:44] <czajkowski> all good thanks dholbach
[17:44] <pleia2> nope
[17:45] <dholbach> alright then
[17:45] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day everyone
[17:45] <dholbach> and thanks for coming
[17:45] <dholbach> #endmeeting
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[18:01] <jono> alrighty
[18:01] <jono> time for the accomplishments meeting
[18:01] <jono> #startmeeting
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[18:01] <jono> cielak, s-fox all set?
[18:01] <s-fox> yes
[18:01] <cielak> yup
[18:01] <jono> no mfisch it seems
[18:01] <jono> so I figured we could use this as an opportunity to discuss the release
[18:02] <jono> I have been a bit out of the loop due to travel recently
[18:02] <jono> cielak, what is your take on the maturity of the daemon/.
[18:02] <jono> ?
[18:02] <cielak> the daemon is fine
[18:02] <jono> it seems like all the bugs we wanted to fix are fixed
[18:02] <cielak> there is only one low-priority bug left
[18:03] <cielak> but it does not matter much
[18:03] <jono> that can wait until 0.4 I think
[18:03] <jono> what is your take on the viewer?
[18:03] <cielak> viewer is worse
[18:03] <cielak> apparently the Gtk spacing issue is still present
[18:03] <jono> right, but is this a release blocker?
[18:03] <jono> I see the spacing but there is not much spacing there
[18:04] <cielak> for mfisch all trophies are displaying in one collumn
[18:04] <jono> oh I see
[18:04] <jono> is he on Precise?
[18:04] <cielak> that looks very wrong
[18:04] <cielak> I am not sure, but that is probable
[18:04] <jono> we should fix this on Precise for sure
[18:05] <jono> I also need to test if the Quickly changes work on Precise - I have a branch, I just couldnt test it last week
[18:05] <s-fox> i have the same problem
[18:05] <jono> will test today on my Precise machine
[18:05] <jono> s-fox, are you on Precise?
[18:06] <s-fox> 12.04 jono
[18:06] <jono> s-fox, cool
[18:06] <jono> s-fox, can you do me a favor and check out https://code.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-accomplishments-viewer/quickly-upgrade-test and tell me it runs
[18:06] <jono> obviously start the viewer first
[18:06] <jono> oops
[18:06] <jono> start the daemon first
[18:07] <jono> so it seems when we fix the bug on Precise we get it in Quantal, and vice versa
[18:07] <cielak> looks like a gtk upgrade introduced that change
[18:07] <s-fox> i'll check it out after the meeting.
[18:08] <jono> cielak, ok, so this sounds like we need to take it to seb
[18:08] <jono> s-fox, if you can check that would be great and then I can commit the fix
[18:09] <mfisch> here!
[18:09] <jono> hey mfisch
[18:09] <cielak> hopefully that will be fixed quickly
[18:09] <jono> we are just discussing the spacing bug
[18:09] <cielak> hi mfisch :)
[18:09] <mfisch> ok
[18:09] <mfisch> jono: I think it should be fixed for 0.3
[18:09] <jono> mfisch, unfortunately it sounds like a GTK issue
[18:09] <jono> so we are blocking on it
[18:10] <jono> I wonder if it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1036455
[18:10] <mfisch> but unfortunately I dont have any great solutions
[18:10] <cielak> but if this is a gtk issue that is present in quantal
[18:10] <cielak> then it is actually correct that we encounter this bug on quantal and not precise (which was the case before)
[18:11] <mfisch> I see it on precise now
[18:11] <mfisch> as of about 2 weeks ago
[18:11] <jono> cielak, right, so I guess we should get the code working for Precise and then try to get the bug fixed in Quantal
[18:11] <cielak> as quantal is not yet released, we may want to fix the issue in precise, and release a broken viewer in quantal
[18:11] <cielak> maybe the gtk bug fix will fix the already released viewer too
[18:11] <cielak> but if not
[18:12] <mfisch> is the issue that the space reserved for the icons is too large?
[18:12] <cielak> then it won't be a big matter, as quantal is not considered as stable
[18:12] <jono> cielak, agreed
[18:12] <cielak> there are two linked issues
[18:12] <jono> mfisch, you are on Precise?
[18:12] <mfisch> jono: yeah
[18:12] <jono> mfisch, can you do me a favor and check out https://code.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-accomplishments-viewer/quickly-upgrade-test and tell me it runs
[18:12] <cielak> reserved space being too large and icons displayed in a single column
[18:12] <mfisch> jono: yeah
[18:12] <jono> mfisch, that branch has my quickly upgrade changes in it
[18:12] <jono> thanks
[18:13] <jono> so it sounds like this is the only bug we need to fix before release
[18:13] <jono> ooh I need to also hide the web gallery prefs
[18:13] <cielak> we'll also need to disable some functionality
[18:13] <cielak> exactly
[18:13] <mfisch> did we discuss the other "high" bug in the viewer?
[18:13] <jono> I will do that today
[18:13] <jono> I have the test plan about ready to go too
[18:13] <cielak> and I need to suggest something concerning that disabling
[18:13] <jono> cielak, oh?
[18:13] <cielak> that we forked the code into separate series for 0.3 and trunk
[18:14] <cielak> so it would work this way:
[18:14] <cielak> 1) the code is forked into 0.3 branch and trunk branch
[18:14] <cielak> 2) the code in 0.3 branch has that functionality disabled
[18:14] <jono> cielak, yup
[18:14] <cielak> 3) after releasing 0.3 we work in trunk branch
[18:14] <jono> cielak, totally agree
[18:15] <jono> so why don't I fork the branches today
[18:15] <mfisch> for the viewer?
[18:15] <cielak> 4) when we want, we can return to 0.3 to release it again
[18:15] <mfisch> or everything
[18:15] <cielak> just the viewer
[18:15] <mfisch> ok
[18:15] <jono> cielak, well we probably want to fork for the daemon and viewer
[18:15] <cielak> for we do not plan to do any post-release changes in daemon
[18:15] <jono> so post release we can release a point release if needed
[18:15] <cielak> do we?
[18:15] <jono> I think it is unlikely, but forking won't hurt us
[18:15] <mfisch> agreed
[18:15] <cielak> true
[18:16] <jono> I don't think we need to fork UCA
[18:16] <mfisch> me either
[18:16] <jono> ok so one other update
[18:16] <jono> the RT ticket for t.u.c has been escalated
[18:16] <jono> they will be working on it soon
[18:16] <cielak> we don't use milestones for UCA anyway ;)
[18:16] <jono> cielak, indeed :-)
[18:16] <cielak> how about the ticket concerning ubuntu forums?
[18:16] <jono> cielak, I haven't seen any progress on that
[18:17] <jono> my priority right now is t.u.c so we can release a bunch of things
[18:17] <jono> if s-fox can keep on top of the other ticket, that would be great
[18:17] <cielak> but there is nothing to keep on
[18:17] <jono> cielak, I mean encouraging them to focus on
[18:18] <jono> IS often need reminding :-)
[18:18] <cielak> reminding or annoying?
[18:18] <jono> a little bit of both :-)
[18:18] <jono> ok, so it sounds like we need to do the following:
[18:18] <jono>  * mfisch and s-fox test my branch with the quickly upgrades on Precise
[18:19] <cielak> is it that they lost our ticket in the flood of thousand other important issues, or do they intentionally do not want to work on that?
[18:19] <jono>  * we need to fix viewer to work on Precise
[18:19] <jono> cielak, they are just busy with a 1000 other things
[18:19] <jono> IS is *always* oversubscribed
[18:19] <jono> they are a small team with a large amount of tickets
[18:20] <cielak> alright, then we can at least hope pushing them now and then will bring some results :)
[18:20] <jono> yeah, this is not the first time this has happened
[18:20] <jono> the good news is that the t.u.c stuff is progressing
[18:20] <jono> cielak, would you mind taking care of making the viewer work again on Precise?
[18:21] <mfisch> I have a viewer question too
[18:21] <jono> mfisch, shoot
[18:21] <mfisch> there's another viewer bug marked high:
[18:21] <mfisch> #1009637
[18:21] <mfisch> which I cannot repro
[18:21] <cielak> jono: to be honest, I have not given a detailed look into that gtk issue and might have trouble determining what was exactly the reason for it
[18:21] <jono> cielak, no worries, I will take a look at it
[18:21] <cielak> (I would also need to install precise somewhere)
[18:22] <jono> cielak,  I can take care of it
[18:22] <jono> I have a Precise machine
[18:22] <mfisch> I highly recommend installing virtualbox for this type of thing
[18:22] <mfisch> I may also be able to take a look
[18:22] <mfisch> but I'm no gtk expert
[18:23] <jono> cielak, oh I fixed that
[18:23] <jono> ops
[18:23] <jono> mfisch, I fixed that
[18:23] <mfisch> jono: I thought so
[18:23] <mfisch> since it's marked for a milestonr
[18:23] <jono> yup
[18:23] <jono> ok cool, so it sounds like we have a plan
[18:23] <jono> any other topics for discussion?
[18:24] <mfisch> do we have a release date in mind?
[18:24] <mfisch> or just after fixes and testing
[18:24] <cielak> there were some contributors that expressed enthusiasm concerning the meeting
[18:24] <jono> mfisch, I think if we have our final branches today
[18:24] <jono> and then do some testing tomorrow and over the weekend, we can release on Monday
[18:25] <jono> Monday works for me as I am out next week and the week after with work
[18:25] <jono> cielak, indeed
[18:25] <cielak> jaywink, kokoye, are you with us?
[18:25] <jaywink> cielak yeah here, sorry been able to only pay half attention
[18:26] <cielak> no problem
[18:26] <jaywink> our girl going to bed
[18:26] <cielak> you did mention you wanted to get involved in testing, right?
[18:26] <jaywink> yes pls :)
[18:26] <jono> jaywink, awesome!
[18:26] <jono> jaywink, so I am going to have a test plan ready soon
[18:26] <jono> which will have a collection of tests you can run and a place to add feedback
[18:26] <jono> could you do that over the weekend?
[18:27] <jaywink> sure
[18:27] <jono> jaywink, awesome, I will mail the mailing list when it is ready to go
[18:27] <jaywink> I can try with two computers, one is kinda more messy with lots of ppa's (mine) and one is a cleaner install (wife)
[18:27] <jono> sounds great
[18:27] <mfisch> jono: about this quickly branch, am I testing the build or functionality (or both)?
[18:27] <jono> thanks, jaywink!
[18:28] <jono> mfisch, both
[18:28] <jono> mfisch, I hope it works
[18:28] <jono> then we ca commit the  changes to trunk and it will work on both precise and quantal
[18:29] <jono> any other business for discussion?
[18:30] <s-fox> where are we at with the web gallery ?
[18:30] <s-fox> cielak said something about it not quite being ready
[18:30] <jono> s-fox, the web gallery is making good progress but we can't launch it until t.u.c is deployed
[18:30] <jono> same for the social media support
[18:30] <cielak> well, I meant that the canonical IS did not yet deploy it :)
[18:30] <s-fox> k
[18:31] <jono> s-fox, the good news is when they deploy it we will be all good to go
[18:31] <s-fox> oh, my forums accomplishments integration is still being ignored / stalled / whatever
[18:31] <jono> s-fox, as I mentioned earlier, can you keep pressuring them to focus on it?
[18:32] <jono> s-fox, have one more go and then I will escalate it if there is no action
[18:32] <s-fox> sort of disappointing to be hit with silence. beginning to give up.
[18:32] <s-fox> okay. i will send another email.
[18:32] <jono> s-fox, don't be disappointed, this is nothing personal
[18:32] <jono> IS have thousands of tickets to deal with
[18:33] <cielak> some are important, some are not ;)
[18:33] <jono> we will get there, it just takes a little perseverance at times :-)
[18:33] <jono> indeed
[18:33] <s-fox> i know, and i understand. i think it is a case of priorities with resources
[18:33] <jono> indeed
[18:33] <jono> s-fox, but the least they can do is give us an accurate estimation
[18:33] <jono> s-fox, press them for a response and lets see what they say
[18:33] <s-fox> it would be nice to hear something, even a no but maybe later would be nice
[18:33] <jono> thanks s-fox, I really appreciate it :-)
[18:34] <jono> alrighty, I think we are done
[18:34] <jono> thanks everyone, and thanks in particular to cielak and mfisch for taking care of things while I have been out of the office
[18:34] <jono> #endmeeting
[18:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep  6 18:34:57 2012 UTC.
[18:34] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-06-18.01.moin.txt
[18:34] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-06-18.01.html
[18:35] <s-fox> thanks guys, bye from me too
[18:35] <cielak> no problem jono :) thanks all!
[18:35] <jaywink> tnx guys :)
[18:35] <jono> thanks!
[18:35] <jono> and now I eat lunch :-)
[22:06] <bluesabre> :)
[22:06] <jk-> o/
[22:07] <hggdh> \o
[22:07] <IdleOne> folks, give us a couple minutes here as we sort ourselves
[22:12] <iulian> #startmeeting
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[22:12] <iulian> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards.
[22:13] <iulian> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:13] <iulian> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:13] <iulian> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:14] <iulian> Is Ravi325 here?
[22:14] <IdleOne> Don't believe they are
[22:15]  * iulian waits a couple of minutes and then moves on to the next one.
[22:15] <hggdh> er. I am available to vote, if you are talling who is here
[22:16] <iulian> OK, time's up.
[22:16] <iulian> notgary: You're next, fire away!
[22:16] <notgary> Hey...
[22:16]  * iulian waves.
[22:17] <notgary> Hi, my name's Chris Wilson, also known as notgary. I'm a software developer in my day job and am interested in using what I learn there to help Ubuntu. I work mostly on the papercuts project and have recently taken over leadership of it, and am working on a plan for making it a prominent project within the larger Ubuntu community.
[22:18] <notgary> You can find my wiki page here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/notgary
[22:19] <notgary> If anyone has any questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them.
[22:19] <hggdh> nice testimonial from bilal
[22:19] <IdleOne> agreed
[22:20] <iulian> notgary: I see that you're a member of unity community hackers on Launchpad. Are you helping out with unity as well?
[22:20] <micahg> notgary: I notice that you're a heavy contributor to the papercuts project, but I don't see any sponsored uploads, are most of these fixes pushed directly upstream?
[22:21]  * hggdh holds on a question, waiting for the current ones to clear out
[22:21] <notgary> iulian: I joined the unity community hackers intending to contribute there, but have not yet gotten round to it.
[22:22] <iulian> Right, okay.
[22:23] <notgary> micahg: I've pushed very few patches actually. Most of my work has been of a management role, triaging bug reports, filtering out the non-papercuts, prodding developers to take a look at them, and generally making it easier for developers to know what needs dones.
[22:23] <micahg> notgary: ah, alright, still very important stuff
[22:24] <hggdh> and I remember notgary around
[22:24] <iulian> Brilliant. hggdh, you've got a question for him.
[22:25] <hggdh> notgary: given your work with bugs, why didn't you (yet) apply for Bug Control (this is a question with my Bug Control hat on)?
[22:25]  * hggdh sees ~ 1,200 bus touched by notgary)
[22:25]  * bluesabre claps.
[22:26] <notgary> hggdh: Just not gotten round to it. It's on my Ubuntu todo list, along with many other things :). If you think I qualify, then I'll go ahead and apply soon.
[22:27] <hggdh> notgary: given your work on papercuts, and bilal's support, you have a pretty good stading to apply. Of course, it will depend on what you show us ;-)
[22:27] <notgary> hggdh: Of course :)
[22:27] <hggdh> notgary: so, what else do you intend to do from now on?
[22:28]  * cjohnston notes that he wants to/is learning Django.. I happen to know a project that can use help
[22:28] <cjohnston> ;-)
[22:29] <micahg> notgary: I notice you're a software engineer, have you ever thought of doing Ubuntu development work? (I guess I can have my DMB hat on since hggdh has his bug control one on :))
[22:29] <hggdh> heh
[22:30] <notgary> hggdh: Community interest in the papercuts project seems to be faltering. The bug mail is very quiet when I'm not working on them, and I intend to get people interested. The first step is to put together a questionnaire to find out exactly why that's the case, which can be distributed with the help of OMG Ubuntu (once I actually ask them :)). Once the results are in, then the way forward can be planned.
[22:30]  * cjohnston takes all hats away :-P
[22:30] <iulian> Haha.
[22:30]  * micahg hands cjohnston a shiny summit hat
[22:30] <cjohnston> ooo... shiny...
[22:31]  * hggdh inscribes 'R' in cjohnston's new shiny hat
[22:32] <notgary> micahg: Ubuntu development work is always something that I've been planing on getting involved with. I mentioned earlier the existence of my ubuntu todo list. Membership of the Core Development team is on there, but finding time to learn the code has been a bit problematic, but I don't think that'll be the case much longer.
[22:32] <hggdh> I am ready
[22:33] <cjohnston> notgary: develop a couple extra hours in the day, then we can all be core devs ;-)
[22:33] <iulian> #voters micahg IdleOne cjohnston hggdh iulian
[22:33] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg
[22:33] <iulian> #vote Grant notgary Ubuntu membership
[22:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant notgary Ubuntu membership
[22:33] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:33] <iulian> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[22:33] <IdleOne> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:33] <micahg> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[22:33] <hggdh> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[22:34]  * IdleOne pokes cjohnston 
[22:34] <cjohnston> o..I have to vote? I was looking at my shiny hat
[22:34] <iulian> cjohnston!
[22:34] <cjohnston> +1
[22:34] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:34] <iulian> #endvote
[22:34] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant notgary Ubuntu membership
[22:34] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:34] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:34] <IdleOne> Congrats!
[22:34] <iulian> notgary: Congratulations.
[22:34] <hggdh> notgary: you may want to touch bases with balloons, on promoting papercuts
[22:34] <bluesabre> Congrats notgary!
[22:34] <cielak> notgary: congrats!
[22:34] <hggdh> notgary: welcome in deaar sir :-)
[22:35] <iulian> bluesabre: Hello. Could you please introduce yourself?
[22:35] <micahg> notgary: don't worry about the membership, people will poke you when it's time to apply, as for the code, there are so many different packages it's hard to "learn the code", rather just find something you want to fix and go for it
[22:35] <notgary> Thank you all very much. I really appreciate your support :)
[22:35] <notgary> micahg: Thanks for the advice. I'll do that.
[22:35] <micahg> notgary: there are no shortage of Qt and C++ packages in teh archive that need help :)
[22:36] <hggdh> indeed, and a lot of packaging issues to look at as well (where no code is necessary, mostly)
[22:36] <bluesabre> Hi everyone!  I'm Sean Davis (bluesabre).  I'm a Xubuntu Team member and have spent some time with them reporting bugs initially, but now I've taken up some development work and maintain Parole and Catfish.  Here's my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis
[22:36] <bluesabre> Also, I help out with Xubuntu Artwork.  :-)
[22:38] <bluesabre> I'd be happy to answer any questions you send my way.
[22:38] <hggdh> bluesabre: how long have you been working with (x)ubuntu?
[22:40] <bluesabre> hggdh: I started reporting bugs with Precise.  Starting with Quantal's development, I've been working with the team to resolve some of the artwork issues and revamping/maintaining Catfish and Parole.
[22:41] <bluesabre> Currently I'm working on porting indicator-messages back to gtk2 for xubuntu, but it's slow-going.
[22:42] <bluesabre> ^ specifically, started with Precise-beta
[22:45] <iulian> Any more questions for bluesabre?
[22:45] <iulian> #voters micahg IdleOne cjohnston hggdh iulian PabloRubianes
[22:45] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne PabloRubianes cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg
[22:45] <iulian> #vote Grant bluesabre Ubuntu membership
[22:45] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant bluesabre Ubuntu membership
[22:45] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:46] <cjohnston> +0  - I'd like to see some more sustained contributions... The work you are doing is great, please keep it up.
[22:46] <meetingology> +0  - I'd like to see some more sustained contributions... The work you are doing is great, please keep it up. received from cjohnston
[22:46] <iulian> +0 at the moment.
[22:46] <meetingology> +0 at the moment. received from iulian
[22:46] <micahg> +0, good work, but we're missing the 'sustained' requirement for membership
[22:46] <meetingology> +0, good work, but we're missing the 'sustained' requirement for membership received from micahg
[22:46] <hggdh> +0 needs more time to show sustained contributions; apart from that it is OK, but please try again in a few months
[22:46] <meetingology> +0 needs more time to show sustained contributions; apart from that it is OK, but please try again in a few months received from hggdh
[22:46] <IdleOne> +0 bluesabre I like what I see, testimonial from knome is strong
[22:46] <PabloRubianes> +0 come back in a few time
[22:46] <meetingology> +0 bluesabre I like what I see, testimonial from knome is strong received from IdleOne
[22:46] <meetingology> +0 come back in a few time received from PabloRubianes
[22:46] <iulian> #endvote
[22:46] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant bluesabre Ubuntu membership
[22:46] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:6
[22:46] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[22:47] <IdleOne> basically we would like you to keep up the good work and come back in 3-6 months
[22:47] <bluesabre> Bummer.  Thanks everyone for your consideration, I'll be back sometime after Quantal comes out.  :-)
[22:47] <hggdh> yes. The *only* thing that halted me was the sustained piece
[22:47] <iulian> bluesabre: We look forward to seeing you back!
[22:47] <bluesabre> Thanks!
[22:47] <cjohnston> bluesabre: that sounds like a great idea.. Please keep up the good work..
[22:47] <hggdh> bluesabre: please do come back
[22:48] <IdleOne> +1 on applying again
[22:48] <iulian> jk-: Hello, you're up next.
[22:48] <jk-> Hi folks, I'm Jeremy Kerr, from Perth, Australia
[22:48] <jk-> My wiki page is up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremyKerr . I also have some technical info up at http://jk.ozlabs.org/ .
[22:49] <jk-> My background and contributions are development-based, and I mostly work on kernel & plumbing-related projects.
[22:49] <cjohnston> jk-: were you at Plumbers last week?
[22:49] <jk-> Recently, this has been based around UEFI (mostly secure boot) and 64-bit ARM support in Ubuntu
[22:50] <jk-> cjohnston: unfortunately not :/
[22:50] <jk-> I've been there (presenting) in the last couple of years though
[22:50] <cjohnston> I went this year.
[22:51] <jk-> nice :) how was it?
[22:52] <cjohnston> Well.. I attended more of LinuxCon... but I was there because Plumbers used Summit
[22:52] <jk-> ah, right
[22:52] <hggdh> jk-: what have you done for Ubuntu (apart from helping on Askubuntu)?
[22:52] <jk-> oh wait, you're that Chris? I think I sat at your table at the closing party for the last Linaro Connect :)
[22:53] <cjohnston> probably
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> Ugh, the downsides of having Chris in my mentions list... ;-)
[22:53] <jk-> hggdh: Most of my development work is done with upstream
[22:53] <cjohnston> Chris.. Chris.. Chris..
[22:54] <cjohnston> :-P
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah Chris? ;-)
[22:54] <hggdh> folks, back to the subject matter, please
[22:54] <jk-> but I generally work on Ubuntu support for new machines - kernel hardware enablement work.
[22:54] <hggdh> jk-: what I am trying to verify is what else you have done for the Ubuntu community
[22:55] <IdleOne> jk-: You do anything with your Ubuntu LoCo?
[22:55] <hggdh> for example, are you active on any #ubuntu channel? Do you answer email question from the MLs? etc
[22:56] <jk-> ah, sure.
[22:56] <jk-> I'm generally active on #ubuntu-kernel, and have recently been getting into #ubuntu-devel
[22:58] <iulian> OK, thanks jk-.
[22:58] <iulian> Do you guys have any more questions for him?
[22:58] <hggdh> yes, I have seen you at -kernel
[22:59] <jk-> I've also been contributing to the last 5 UDSes,
[22:59] <IdleOne> How so?
[22:59] <jk-> mostly around specifications for kernel projects
[22:59] <jk-> running sessions based on suport for new hardware features
[22:59] <hggdh> and how did the blueprints go?
[23:00] <jk-> mostly well implemented
[23:00] <jk-> about to kick off the cycle again for Q :)
[23:00] <iulian> #vote Grant jk- Ubuntu membership.
[23:00] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant jk- Ubuntu membership.
[23:00] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[23:00] <jk-> (this time for ARMv8 support... )
[23:01] <cjohnston> v8.. yippie
[23:01] <cjohnston> +1
[23:01] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[23:01] <IdleOne> +1
[23:01] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[23:01] <PabloRubianes> +1
[23:01] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[23:01] <hggdh> +1 but, as a note to all future candidates, *please* make sure you show community-related work
[23:01] <meetingology> +1 but, as a note to all future candidates, *please* make sure you show community-related work received from hggdh
[23:01]  * iulian thinks he should've used #voters first.
[23:01] <iulian> +1
[23:01] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[23:01] <micahg> +1
[23:01] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[23:01] <iulian> #endvote
[23:01] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant jk- Ubuntu membership.
[23:01] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[23:01] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:01] <hggdh> jk-: welcome in!
[23:02] <IdleOne> Congrats jk-
[23:02] <micahg> iulian: I believe #voters is per meeting until changed or ended, but I could be wrong
[23:02] <jk-> awesome, thanks guys :)
[23:02] <iulian> Congrats jk-.
[23:02] <PabloRubianes> congrats jk-
[23:02] <jk-> ("guys" being the inclusive version)
[23:02] <hggdh> IIRC, it is per meeting unless someone leaves/comes in
[23:02] <iulian> Don't think so. Have a look above.
[23:03] <iulian> #endmeeting
[23:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep  6 23:03:14 2012 UTC.
[23:03] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-06-22.12.moin.txt
[23:03] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-06-22.12.html
[23:03] <micahg> iulian: indeed