[00:48] <skaet> chinese images built.
[00:51] <stgraber> Edubuntu looks good so far, we might have our beta1 image ;)
[00:52] <skaet> \o/
[00:52]  * skaet crosses fingers
[00:52] <skaet> by the way,   I set up:  http://localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/233/builds
[00:52] <stgraber> cool, now we just need testers ;)
[00:53] <skaet> to start tracking the chinese images,    catbus2 has been testing.  :)
[00:54] <skaet> known bugs so far are at: http://goo.gl/8QNDe
[00:58] <stgraber> do we have a bug number for kvm starting with a silly resolution on 12.10? (> 2000px wide) I remember someone mentioning that issue here
[01:26] <skaet> stgraber, I've not seen a bug resembling that today cross my radar.   please open it.
[01:26] <skaet> pad looks reasonable right now,   results coming in to iso tracker....
[01:26] <skaet> ok,  EOD time.
[01:30] <phillw> skaet: it's now in the laps of the Gods. have a good rest. I was going to but have a wiki guy wanting to help out on the QA wiki area.
[07:00] <cjwatson> ochosi: I'm pretty certain that you must have branched lp:ubuntu/ubiquity, not lp:ubiquity.  I'm afraid they're not the same and we don't use the former.
[07:30] <knome> cjwatson, 12:15  cjwatson: bzr branch lp:ubiquity
[07:58] <cjwatson> knome: I know that's what ochosi said he did, but it doesn't match the evidence, so I think he must have made a mistake
[07:58] <cjwatson> LP should really warn you when you try to propose a merge where your branch has no revisions in common with the target
[08:27] <psivaa> mterry, pong about 971353, if that's about reproducing it, this crash occurred almost every other vm installations using live session, ill try to see if this is still the case after .2
[09:45] <ochosi> cjwatson: sorry you're right, i really branched lp:ubuntu/ubiquity by accident (it was late already...). i'll do it again
[10:01] <ochosi> cjwatson: ok, works now
[10:02] <ochosi> xnox: i tested your patch btw, it seems to do what it should!
[10:02] <xnox> ochosi: ok. will merge.
[10:03] <ochosi> xnox: i even got xubuntu's ubiquity-only session entirely bug-free once or twice, but then xfsettingsd was always defunct (i guess because i restarted ubiquity so often or something)
[10:03] <ochosi> so the theme wasn't set correctly
[10:07] <xnox> ok.
[10:10] <xnox> ochosi: just the colour/contrast bug # is 744283 if you need to mark any of your bugs as duplicates of that one.... please do.
[10:10] <smartboyhw> I do wonder: When is http://localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ introduced?
[10:18] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: end of March 2012
[10:18] <ochosi> xnox: ok, thanks a lot!
[10:18] <smartboyhw> Oh thanks cjwatson
[10:42] <psivaa> cjwatson, is the live-session path the only supported one for side-by-side installation of amd64+mac?
[10:42] <cjwatson> I can't think of a reason why that would be the case
[10:42] <cjwatson> If partitioning depends on how you start ubiquity then we have a pretty weird bug somewhere
[10:43] <psivaa> cjwatson, direct install does not present me an option to do side-by-side installation
[10:43] <psivaa> cjwatson, the previous installed version had lvm and encrytion ticked during its installation
[10:45] <cjwatson> Well that's bizarre.  Maybe xnox can think of a reason for it; I can't.
[10:45] <cjwatson> Sounds like a bug though.
[10:46] <smartboyhw> I do wonder then: Who does the coding of Ubuntu Chinese version/
[10:46] <smartboyhw> Is there a Launchpad team or sth>
[10:47] <psivaa> cjwatson, ill report one then and then leave it for discussion, also quitting the installer at this point (because it did not have side-by-side option) i get bug 1027648
[10:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1027648 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command(): I/O operation on closed file." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027648
[10:47] <cjwatson> The differences in the Chinese edition consist of (a) some slightly different image build system code which the ubuntu-cdimage team maintains and (b) the different desktop-side configuration which is controlled by the ubuntu-defaults-zh-cn package.
[10:47] <cjwatson> closed file> not again :(
[10:47] <cjwatson> Useless error message, must do something about that one of these days
[10:48] <smartboyhw> Oh
[10:48] <psivaa> cjwatson, i could reproduce that quite often pls let me know if you need anything for it
[10:49] <smartboyhw> cjwatson: How come is there no testcase description for the localized ISO QA tracker???
[10:49] <cjwatson> psivaa: It's a generic error that can happen for all kinds of different reasons
[10:49] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: No idea, I don't maintain the tracker
[10:49] <psivaa> cjwatson, ok cool
[10:49] <cjwatson> psivaa: It basically means "argh a backend process died and I don't know why"
[10:50] <smartboyhw> OH alright
[10:50] <psivaa> cjwatson, right, so if that needs to be narrowed down, i have a test case for it :)
[10:50] <cjwatson> You have a test case for one of the many possible reasons it might occur ...
[10:51] <cjwatson> I'll try to have a look at some point but I'm mostly working on GRUB at the moment
[10:51] <psivaa> ok fine, i understand not so urgent too
[10:56] <xnox> psivaa: have you filed a bug? I am monitoring and fixing bugs in launchpad as they are reported.... Pings on IRC do get lost =)
[10:56] <psivaa> xnox, just doing it should be finished in 2 mins
[10:57] <xnox> psivaa: thanks. Preferrably reported with ubuntu-bug with all the logs.
[10:59] <psivaa> xnox, thats what i did but please check bug 1046779
[10:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046779 in ubiquity "No option to perform side-byt-side installation for amd64+mac on quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046779
[11:01] <xnox> psivaa: given that we do not currently have a way to unlock encrypted volumes and it is unsafe to resize locked encrypted volumes, what did you expect?
[11:02] <xnox> psivaa: with locked encrypted volume we do not know how big the filesystem is inside it, nor how much disk space is used.
[11:04] <psivaa> xnox, right i thought i gave this information prior to reporting the bug :), was doubtful if that's the reason
[11:05] <xnox> psivaa: it's good. I am commenting on the bug and will mark it won't fix for now.
[11:05] <xnox> psivaa: I am sure you are not the only person who will ask for this =)
[11:05] <xnox> psivaa: so better keep it for reference.
[11:06] <psivaa> xnox, ok cool
[11:08] <knome> when's the sign off time?
[11:08] <knome> 12UTC?
[11:09] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, then who maintains the ISO QA Tracker? stgraber, xnox or skaet?
[11:09] <smartboyhw> Ah, maybe the QA Team
[11:11] <psivaa> smartboyhw, i think its balloons
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Oh alright, the I will have to wait until 3 hours later:(
[11:12] <cjwatson> stgraber maintains the software, I believe, but balloons may maintain the content
[11:12] <xnox> smartboyhw: file a bug againsg ubuntu-qa-website somebody will get to it =)
[11:12] <xnox> smartboyhw: worked for me both code & content wise
[11:13] <xnox> smartboyhw: there is a link at the bottom of the site
[11:13] <smartboyhw> xnox: I mean in the localized ISO QA Tracker mate
[11:13] <xnox> smartboyhw: same
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Well even the Testcase Admins Team can't edit the testcases:( I will find balloons
[11:13] <xnox> smartboyhw: bugs are easier to track than irc, but maybe that's just me.
[11:14] <smartboyhw> xnox: Yep, not for me LOL
[11:18] <knome> skaet, i'm thinking that xubuntu will skip beta 1 looking at all the fails.
[11:20] <cjwatson> Mainly bitten by the automounting vs. ubiquity problems I gues
[11:20] <cjwatson> *guess
[11:20] <cjwatson> Wonder why this is only biting us hard now given that the bug was first filed in Feb 2011
[11:22] <xnox> there were further changes to xfce to use/not use hal/udisks/whatnot so maybe one of those "fail-backs" used to work yet thunar now "tries harder" to automount =/ this is a wild guess though on my part.
[11:23] <cjwatson> Yeah, mustbe
[11:23] <cjwatson> What is it with my keyboard today anyway
[11:28] <xnox> cjwatson: well my VMs are on an external hard-drive (gotta love 1TB drives) and I am bitten by bug 1045781
[11:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1045781 in linux "usb 3.0 external hard drive spins downs and gets ejected" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045781
[11:32] <cjwatson> That looks deeply irritating.  Not noticed that with my external terabyte disk
[11:32] <cjwatson> Not via a docking station though
[11:34] <xnox> cjwatson: I wonder if the problem is with missing partition tables though. As it is "whole disk lvm" which overrides / doesn't use partition table.
[12:53] <bencer> iulian: ive updated this ffe as you requested https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zentyal-samba/+bug/1043654
[12:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1043654 in zentyal-samba "[FFe] New version of zentyal-samba" [Undecided,New]
[13:29] <mterry> psivaa, hello!  Is it possible for you to try to reproduce bug 971353 after installing my gnome-settings-daemon package with the fix from quantal-proposed?
[13:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971353 in gnome-settings-daemon "power : gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971353
[13:54] <psivaa> mterry, i could do that
[13:54] <psivaa> mterry, but i need to look up how to get the package
[13:56] <mterry> psivaa, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[13:56] <psivaa> mterry, thanks
[14:09] <skaet> good morning
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Good morning skaet
[14:10] <skaet> smartboyhw,   questions about the iso tracker can be asked in #ubuntu-iso-tracker channel.
[14:11] <smartboyhw> There IS that channel? Oh I don't know!
[14:11] <skaet> people with perms to change things usually hang out there.   :)
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Alright I will:)
[14:11] <skaet> yup,  its on Freenode
[14:14] <skaet> cjwatson, not seeing much change on the tracker or in the backscroll,   other than knome deciding xubuntu's a no-go for beta1,  anything else of note?
[14:14] <skaet> Laney, ^ ?
[14:16] <Laney> lack of ppc testing is notable I guess
[14:21] <skaet> Laney,    ok,  those images need to get removed from the iso tracker then, if not tested by now.
[14:23] <Laney> skaet: OK. I'll remove Xubuntu too as well.
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Bye bye xubuntu!
[14:23] <skaet> Thanks.  :)
[14:25] <Laney> there
[14:25] <Laney> I probably won't be around this evening to press the buttons BTW
[14:25] <cjwatson> Nothing else that I've seen; all has been pretty quiet
[14:26] <cjwatson> And I agree with knome's assessment
[14:26] <cjwatson> I can be around for a while this evening, though I would significantly prefer it not to be very late
[14:26] <skaet> thanks cjwatson,   I'll try to hurry up collecting the status from the teams, and go/no go decisions where its ambiguous.
[14:26] <skaet> and on that note...
[14:27] <skaet> Riddell,   which of your images are you comfortable with releasing?
[14:27] <Laney> I will probably be back later on, but you'll be done by then ;-)
[14:27]  * skaet hopes so. ;)
[14:29] <skaet> gilir, phillw - images look pretty well tested on the lubuntu side except for powerpc desktop.   and amd64+mac desktop.   Anything else you want held back?
[14:32] <skaet> utlemming,  how are the cloud images looking?    test results ok?
[14:35] <Riddell> skaet: i386 and amd64 alternate and desktop kubuntu, kubuntu-active and kubuntu armhf tests due shortly
[14:36] <Riddell> hmm that could be a confusing sentence
[14:36] <Riddell> skaet: i386 and amd64 alternate and desktop kubuntu, kubuntu-active good for release.  kubuntu armhfkubuntu armhf tests due shortly
[14:36] <brendand> skaet, release meeting - or no because of beta1?
[14:38] <cjwatson> Ubuntu server armhf+omap4 looks kind of wonky
[14:38] <skaet> brendand,  likely to have meeting tomorrow
[14:39]  * skaet basically planning on it,  unless release goes on late into the night
[14:39] <utlemming> skaet: cloud images are looking good after the respin. Test looks good too
[14:39] <Daviey> cjwatson: wonky?
[14:39] <cjwatson> bug 1045788 mosty
[14:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1045788 in linux-ti-omap4 "screen on quantal server images stays black" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045788
[14:39] <cjwatson> *mostly
[14:39] <cjwatson> Is that release-notabe?
[14:39] <skaet> yeah,  was wondering if it was usable or not with that one.
[14:40] <skaet> anyone else reproduced it?
[14:40] <cjwatson> The bug does say there's a way to install over serial
[14:41] <Daviey> ugh
[14:41] <Daviey> ogra_ is occupied atm.. would like him to expand when he is back.
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Lubuntu Alternate powerpc looks conky to me, 1 fail for EACH testcase. Desktop too
[14:43] <skaet> Daviey,  what about MAAS server tests not being run,  I'm assuming its because the version there isn't usable.   Has that been release noted?
[14:44] <Daviey> skaet: No, the version is usable.. and tested.. it just hasn't been captured
[14:44] <Daviey> Oh, wait.
[14:44] <Daviey> There is a release note to add. Thanks.
[14:45] <skaet> utlemming,   cool.  :)   please update the tracker, so we can mark them as ready.
[14:45] <utlemming> skaet: tracker is updated. The tests showing as 1/2 are marked that way because the tests aren't performed
[14:47] <ogra_> cjwatson, i need to write release notes for that, yeah, serial install is possible with the current server images
[14:48] <psivaa> mterry, i keep getting "E: Release 'quantal-proposed' for 'gnome-settings-daemon' not found" message when trying to install the package
[14:48] <cjwatson> OK, so not a blocker?
[14:48] <cjwatson> There's no gnome-settings-daemon in quantal-proposed right now ...
[14:49] <ogra_> not after i wrote some documentation :) (or if people are clever enough to discover that there is a preEnv.txt-serial they can copy over preEnv.txt  on the first partition of the SD)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Suddenly all the Server EC2 images are all tetsed
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Wow
[14:54] <skaet> smartboyhw,  utlemming had done the runs on another machine, and just triggered the copying of the results over.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> OH yeah!
[14:54] <smartboyhw> More importantly, the upgrade testcases
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Edubuntu and Lubuntu upgrades: nobody
[14:55] <skaet> highvoltage, are we ok on the Edubuntu Upgrade tests?
[14:56] <skaet> phillw, gilir - either of you around?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> skaet: Apparently not:)
[14:59] <skaet> Riddell,  did anyone test Netboot for a Kubuntu install?   if so,  any issues?
[15:02] <Riddell> skaet: hmm no, I haven't tested that in ages, can do if it's needed though
[15:13] <skaet> Riddell,  might be nice to make sure no surprises,  esp.  since Xubuntu's not participating.
[15:13] <ogra_> phew, my release notes change will become a novel this round
[15:13] <skaet> :)
[15:14] <ogra_> so many changes in arm land
[15:18] <jamespage> skaet, sorry - might just have conflicted a change on the tech overview change with you
[15:19] <jamespage> change/page
[15:20] <skaet> jamespage,  I'm out now.   can you double check?
[15:21] <skaet> scott-work,  can you update the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 for Ubuntu Studio?
[15:22] <cjwatson> urgh.  sore throat and feeling a bit rubbish.  going to lie down with a lemsip for a bit in order that I can be useful later
[15:23] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks for letting me know.
[15:23] <cjwatson> sms me if world explodes
[15:23] <skaet> will do.
[15:23] <ogra_> though the boom shoudl wake you up anyway :)
[15:25] <skaet> xnox,  could you take a pass at writting up an explanation in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades of how to do upgrades without Alternates now,   and add some information to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 on the subject as well?
[15:25] <xnox> possibly.
[15:26] <xnox> slangasek: what are our upgrade options now? over the network with release manager & ubiquity/d-i reinstall with preserving settings
[15:27]  * smartboyhw will quit now to sleep
[15:28] <xnox> skaet: since reinstall is not mentioned already the alternate cd section should be gone.
[15:29] <skaet> xnox, go ahead and edit as seems appropriate,  we can review later and improve.
[15:29] <highvoltage> skaet: no
[15:29] <skaet> highvoltage, ok, we're missing those tests and updates to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[15:29] <jamespage> skaet, looks OK - my changes are still there
[15:29] <stgraber> skaet, highvoltage: I'm running them as we speak
[15:29] <highvoltage> stgraber: awesome
[15:30] <skaet> highvoltage, can you take care of the TechnicalOverview ?
[15:30] <stgraber> was just about to say that ^ :)
[15:31] <highvoltage> yes, not right at this minute because I'm in a heated meeting at the office, but yes.. soon
[15:40] <xnox> skaet: which flavours have alternate CDs still?
[15:40] <skaet> Riddell,  of the Kubuntu images not marked ready on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds,  which are likely to still get results, and which should just be removed at this point?
[15:41] <skaet> xnox,  Lubuntu and Kubuntu
[15:41] <xnox> skaet: and Xubuntu in general has them, but it's not released.
[15:43] <Riddell> skaet: armhf+omap4 just got a tick of approval
[15:43] <bdmurray> skaet: if a bug is targetted to quantal shouldn't it not be tagged rls-q-incoming?
[15:45] <skaet> bdmurray,  yes,  I should have removed the tag if it was there.   (my bad if I missed it)
[15:45] <Riddell> skaet: powerpc I'm not fussed at all about, scrap it. amd64+mac jibel was good enough to test last time but I'm also not very fussed about it
[15:48] <skaet> Riddell,  thanks,  done.
[15:48] <tremolux> ScottK: hi! I just wanted to ping you to see if you are good with this FFe for Software Center: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1044107
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1044107 in software-center "Feature Freeze Exception: Recommender feedback (no UI change)" [Undecided,New]
[15:49] <Riddell> xnox: at some point I need to chat to you about what needs done to ubiquity kde frontend to get rid of alternates
[15:50] <ScottK> tremolux: Commented.
[15:51] <phillw> skaet: hi, sorry I've been ridding the works computer of mal-ware :(
[15:51] <xnox> Riddell: sure, just chat to me any time =)
[15:51] <phillw> just got back home
[15:51] <tremolux> ScottK: thanks! I appreciate your attention to this one!
[15:53] <skaet> thanks phillw,   there are some lubuntu images without testing,  trying to figure out if they are release/not.
[15:53] <phillw> the mad-mac has been trouble free for ages. I'm happy for it to go through.
[15:53] <phillw> *amd-mac*
[15:54] <phillw> the powerpc with the bug is to be reported in release notes (it also affects i386)
[15:55] <ogra_> wasnt that mad-max ?
[15:55] <phillw> lol
[15:56] <skaet> ok,  I see now that Lubuntu Desktop amd64+mac had full results in 20120904 image,  marking it ok.
[15:58] <skaet> phillw,  Lubuntu alternate powerpc though doesn't have a history of tests being run, and all tests in it, are marked failed.  So I think that one better stay off the release list,  unless there is more data that hasn't been added?
[15:58] <phillw> bug 1041625 is getting attention, I think to release lubuntu ppc desktop with the note in release?
[15:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1041625 in openchrome "X not starting after install [openchrome]" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041625
[15:59] <skaet> lubuntu ppc desktop looks reasonable,  its the alternate ppc one that looks bad.
[16:00] <skaet> Laney,  can you do a link check on the pre-publishing scripts?
[16:00] <phillw> sorry, alternate. If the proposed fix hasn't worked Then I reckon its still borken. The bug is highly active, so they are working on it.
[16:00] <phillw> as long as we have one ppc then we'll survive :)
[16:00] <skaet> phillw,  ok,  can you make sure there's a note on it in the TechnicalOverview,  and we'll go out with just the desktop one.  :)
[16:01] <phillw> skaet: do you have the link for the notes & I'll get right on it.
[16:02] <skaet> phillw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[16:02] <skaet> thanks!  :)
[16:05] <phillw> skaet: under lubuntu or under kniown issues, Graphics & Display?
[16:05] <Laney> ERROR: Cannot handle product Lubuntu preinstalled armhf+ac100
[16:06] <Laney> let's see
[16:06] <stgraber> Laney: oh yeah, that's a new one, the script will need some updating... want me to do it?
[16:06] <skaet> phillw,  under lubuntu please.
[16:07] <skaet> Daviey, arosales - have you finished your edits for Server and Cloud to the TechnicalOverview?
[16:07] <Laney> stgraber: sure
[16:07] <Laney> thanks
[16:07] <Daviey> skaet: Need to check once more
[16:08] <skaet> Daviey, ack.     Also,  can you please check you agree with the images I've marked as ready on the iso tracker for server too.
[16:08] <stgraber> Laney: actually, the problem is on the tracker's side, fixing there
[16:08] <Laney> no 'desktop'?
[16:09] <Daviey> skaet: looking now
[16:09] <skaet> thanks
[16:09] <stgraber> Laney: right
[16:09] <phillw> done
[16:09] <arosales> skaet: was going to check with Daviey :-)
[16:09] <skaet> thanks phillw!
[16:09] <stgraber> Laney: publish-image-set looks happy now
[16:09] <Laney> yep, good work
[16:09] <ogra_> yay
[16:10] <ogra_> \o/
[16:10] <Daviey> skaet: confirmed, that is good
[16:11] <skaet> Thanks Daviey
[16:11] <xnox> skaet: I updated the upgrade wiki page and the upgrade subsection on the technical overview.
[16:12] <phillw> skaet: lubuntu desktop ppc has vanished?
[16:12] <skaet> xnox,  thanks,  I'll review it.
[16:12] <skaet> phillw,  checking...
[16:12] <Laney> skaet: which links?
[16:12] <Laney> in the HEADER.html files?
[16:16] <skaet> Laney,  links in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 will match where the pre-publishing script expects them to go.
[16:18] <cjwatson> OK, back
[16:19] <skaet> phillw, ok, its back on the tracker for desktop, but are you really sure you want a ppc going out with the release?   results don't look that good on this one either,  although it has historically had more testing than the ppc alternate though.
[16:19] <skaet> hiya cjwatson,   I think we're pretty close to our release set now,  just a few last checks.
[16:20] <Laney> yeah can't see anything wrong there
[16:20] <Laney> no link to china-images?
[16:21] <phillw> skaet: as there have been changes made and cj had it run okay (albeit in VM) I think it is good to go.
[16:21] <cjwatson> phillw: I didn't do a full install, and somebody else reported the same inability to see anything useful in the installer
[16:22] <cjwatson> Laney: the Chinese edition typically needs manual handling for milestone publication
[16:22] <cjwatson> I can take care of that for now
[16:22] <phillw> cjwatson: if you think it is 'toast' then there is no point releasing.
[16:22] <Laney> yeah I understand that
[16:22] <Laney> I was referring to the list on the TechnicalOverview
[16:23] <slangasek> xnox: correct
[16:23] <cjwatson> phillw: My experiment was more "I can't figure out how to reproduce this problem" than "it doesn't exist"
[16:24] <phillw> both the ppc's will re-appear as dailies. further investigation can be carried out there.
[16:24] <phillw> it's only Beta 1, we have time to fix them :)
[16:24] <xnox> slangasek: It would be nice to be able to have a command to generate package list & have something parse that list and download _signed_ releases & tarball + partial mirror of packages. Modify update-manager to be able to use that. And generate a USB stick or something to enable offline support.
[16:24] <xnox> slangasek: mvo said update-manager can work against a mirror.
[16:25] <slangasek> xnox: sure; getting u-m to use an unofficial mirror is a bit fiddly though.  IIRC cjwatson knows something about those runes
[16:25] <cjwatson> I have:
[16:26] <mvo> xnox: parts of this you could do with synpatic by doing a dist-upgrade and then create a download script but I guess you are looking for something more cli friendly
[16:26] <cjwatson> $ cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/local-mirrors.cfg
[16:26] <cjwatson> [Sources]
[16:26] <cjwatson> ValidMirrors=/etc/update-manager/local-mirrors
[16:26] <slangasek> synaptic> eeew ;)
[16:26] <mvo> slangasek: ;)
[16:26]  * mvo is *old*
[16:26] <cjwatson> $ cat /etc/update-manager/local-mirrors
[16:26] <cjwatson> http://mirror/ubuntu
[16:26] <cjwatson> http://mirror.pelham.vpn.ucam.org/ubuntu
[16:26] <cjwatson> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[16:26] <cjwatson> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu
[16:26] <cjwatson> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[16:26] <cjwatson> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[16:26] <cjwatson> Which basically works although perhaps there is a more elegant way
[16:26] <slangasek> yeah, that's basically what I remember
[16:27]  * mvo &
[16:27] <slangasek> i.e., you have to duplicate the mirror list, you can't append to it?
[16:27] <mvo> oh? if so, that should be easy to fix
[16:27] <mvo> could someone remind me about this tomorrow please? if its really not appending
[16:27] <cjwatson> Well, that was the case years ago when I did this
[16:27] <cjwatson> That file is timestamped May 2011 here and might have been created earlier ..
[16:28]  * mvo nods
[16:28] <skaet> Laney,  Chinese images generally get announced through PES processes, rather than on TechnicalOverview.
[16:29] <Laney> k
[16:30] <xnox> mvo: I am ideally looking for something that is part of update-manager & by magic supported in 12.04.0 release =)
[16:30] <xnox> mvo: both gui & cli
[16:30] <skaet> xnox,  looks like we've lost mvo from the channel.
[16:30] <xnox> cjwatson: I had no clue about those! that's awesome =)
[16:30] <xnox> skaet: noticed no tab-completion.
[16:31] <xnox> mvo: read irclogs.ubuntu.com =)
[16:32] <skaet> phillw,  removing the desktop ppc.  Dailies is best until its more usuable.
[16:33] <gilir> skaet, do you need more info for lubuntu beta 1 ?
[16:33] <phillw> skaet: is it possible to copy those two beta 1 candidtaes over to dailies, instead of having the old ones there until the next respin?
[16:34] <skaet> gilir,  they're actually in the dailies right now.   Just have to go to them through the web page,  but yes,  remind me later, and I'll make them explicitly there.
[16:34] <skaet> oops.
[16:34] <skaet> phillw, ^
[16:34] <phillw> skaet: thanks
[16:34] <skaet> gilir,  could you please review the publishing set on the iso tracker and make sure you're ok with them?
[16:36] <skaet> plars, how looks the upgrade WUBI tests?
[16:36] <plars> skaet: slow
[16:36] <plars> skaet: they take a *very* long time
[16:36] <plars> skaet: psivaa is running on i386 right now, and I'm running on amd64
[16:36] <gilir> skaet, it's ok for me, thanks
[16:37] <skaet> gilir, phillw,  how do the upgrade lubuntu tests look?
[16:37] <skaet> thanks gilir
[16:37] <Riddell> kubuntu netboot good
[16:37] <phillw> skaet: I've not looked at them
[16:37] <Riddell> skaet: I'm off out for a few hours, I think kubuntu is good to go
[16:38] <Riddell> skaet: mparillo is our new web man to be poked when the announce goes out
[16:38] <skaet> thanks Riddell.   will poke mparillo when we're ready then.  :)
[16:39] <skaet> cjwatson,  I think our image set is pretty close,   can you start the pre-publishing?
[16:40] <skaet> heh,  and utlemming shows up just in time ;)
[16:40] <cjwatson> On its way
[16:40] <skaet> utlemming, can you start the pre-publishing of the cloud images now too.
[16:40] <cjwatson> sync-mirrors disabled
[16:40] <utlemming> skaet: pre-published already, just waiting for the go ahead to make public
[16:41] <skaet> utlemming,  ok.
[16:53] <cjwatson> pre-publication syncing out
[16:54] <highvoltage> my wiki search skills are failing me, where's the current technical overview page?
[16:56] <xnox> highvoltage: grep this channel logs up.....
[16:56] <xnox> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[16:56] <wxl> skaet: do we need any further testing beyond the mandatory tests for beta1?
[16:56] <highvoltage> hmm, I thought I tried that one, possibly just had a typo. thanks xnox
[16:59] <highvoltage> stgraber: did ltsp go ok or do we need to release note something?
[17:04] <skaet> wxl,  a bit more context?
[17:04] <wxl> skaet: trying to figure out if i should bother testing stuff that's already got all of its mandatory tests done
[17:05] <skaet> wxl,  any information and key issues that can be found now is welcome.
[17:05] <skaet> we can continue to add to the beta 1 release notes,  even after the images get published.
[17:05] <wxl> i take that as a no. :)
[17:06] <skaet> wxl,  actually I was trying to say,  please do continue testing.   More results welcome. ;)
[17:07] <skaet> when we publish though,   the iso tracker will be set back to daily images though, so feel free to record results there if needed.
[17:07] <wxl> skaet: i guess what i'm thinking is if we've satisfied the major tests, now i can move on to testing the release and all of its software more. more of a usability test than an install test.
[17:08] <skaet> wxl,  ok.
[17:08] <wxl> and then of course go back to the dailies :)
[17:08] <wxl> i guess i was surprised the beta testing wrapped up so quick
[17:09] <wxl> ok thanks for the help
[17:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: you may want to mention bug 1039155
[17:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1039155 in nux "Unity fails to load on old hardware. Missing automatic fallback to LLVMpipe" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039155
[17:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: some virtual thin clients may get an empty desktop because of it
[17:12] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok
[17:22] <cjwatson> skaet: If you don't mind, I think I might start the publication process on nusakan nowish, just with sync-mirrors disabled
[17:22] <cjwatson> And then we can just shove that out when you're ready
[17:22] <scott-work> skaet: i will update that
[17:22] <cjwatson> skaet: Is the ISO tracker ready status complete (for the purposes of publish-image-set - so I don't care about upgrades and such) or is there more to do?
[17:23] <cjwatson> Actually I don't care about netboot either, so it looks complete to me
[17:25] <skaet> cjwatson,  sounds like a plan.
[17:26] <skaet> scott-work,  thanks.
[17:28] <cjwatson> skaet: On its way.
[17:31] <skaet> cjwatson,  any processing needed on the quantal queues before we unfreeze the archive?
[17:31] <skaet> utlemming,  you may as well start publishing now too.
[17:34] <utlemming> skaet: publishing images now
[17:34] <cjwatson> skaet: Not AFAIK
[17:36] <cjwatson> I figured it'd just be 'queue -Q unapproved accept'
[17:36] <cjwatson> (and wait for the *thud*)
[17:36] <skaet> cjwatson, ok.   will ask for them to be unfrozen now then.
[17:37] <utlemming> skaet: images are public; cloud-images.ubuntu.com is now syncing
[17:46] <highvoltage> stgraber: I think Edubuntu is ok on the technicaloverview
[17:46] <stgraber> highvoltage: ok, thanks
[17:50] <utlemming> skaet: cloud image sync done
[17:56] <skaet> ok, archive is now open again.
[17:57] <jbicha> hey, so there's an interesting bug where clutter needs to be built with the new gobject-introspection so it would save a rebuild if you held off on approving clutter-1.0
[17:59] <cjwatson> Right
[17:59] <cjwatson> skaet: Want me to walk through the queue once I'm done publishing, then?
[18:09] <skaet> cjwatson,  please
[18:09] <skaet> scott-work,   have you made your changes?
[18:09] <cjwatson> skaet: publication now completely staged on nusakan, I believe
[18:09] <cjwatson> skaet: if you want to give it a quick once-over, now's a good time
[18:10]  * skaet looking
[18:11] <infinity> Hrm, I should do a round of chroot-updating to deal better with this unapproved flood.
[18:12] <skaet> cjwatson, Laney - can you take a review pass at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/Announcement/Beta1?
[18:13]  * skaet still missing bits from Ubuntu Studio, but hopefully have not left accidental 12.04 refs in the wrong place :P
[18:14] <cjwatson> infinity: Yes please
[18:14] <cjwatson> infinity: If you can actually update chroots following the DC move
[18:16] <infinity> cjwatson: I can from cocoplum... *cough*
[18:16] <cjwatson> infinity: Oh, that's still up and running?
[18:16] <infinity> Yep.
[18:16] <infinity> Cronjobs are all off, of course, but it still has the LP tree and all the right perms.
[18:16] <skaet> cjwatson, not spotting anything wrong,  go ahead with the sync and I'll start checking the links.
[18:17] <infinity> Of course, fixing sudo access on pepo would be preferable...
[18:17] <cjwatson> skaet: Made a couple of minor changes.  Perhaps we should mention that Xubuntu isn't dead, to forestall panic?
[18:18] <skaet> cjwatson - good point.
[18:18]  * skaet likes forstalling panic
[18:19] <cjwatson> Oh, blast, I forgot to do .manifest before syncing
[18:19] <cjwatson> I'll sort that in a bit
[18:22] <cjwatson> Should be on releases now; cdimage is sorting itself out gradually
[18:23] <scott-work> skaet: no i haven't yet, i'm pretty busy today at work, when do you absolutely need it done?
[18:24] <skaet> scott-work.  1200 UTC this morning.   Its on critical path for announce going out right now.
[18:25] <scott-work> skaet: i'll do it now
[18:25]  * cjwatson turns to the queue
[18:26] <skaet> cjwatson, ok
[18:26] <skaet> thanks scott-work.
[18:30] <cjwatson> Also: I'd like to leave in no more than half an hour so that I can get dinner and get my stepson to bed in time for school tomorrow
[18:32] <cjwatson> infinity: Probably best not get into that habit too much though; wouldn't take too many schema changes to break things.
[18:35] <skaet> cjwatson, can you check that the torrents are working?
[18:36] <cjwatson> Not easily, I'm NATted
[18:36] <stgraber> skaet: just assume they aren't and start poking IS ;)
[18:37] <skaet> stgraber,  indeed.    can you help out with the checking?
[18:37] <skaet> cjwatson, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/quantal/beta-1/
[18:37] <skaet> not spotting the core images published yet?
[18:37] <stgraber> skaet: sure, I can test
[18:37] <cjwatson> skaet: It's still syncing
[18:38] <cjwatson> skaet: Look on nusakan, they're there
[18:38]  * skaet double checks and puts on her patient hat.
[18:38] <cjwatson> I can't make rsync go faster I'm afraid :-)
[18:38] <skaet> :)
[18:38] <cjwatson> Note that rsync tends to create all the directories first
[18:38] <stgraber> skaet: doesn't work
[18:39] <cjwatson> As long as you see Archive-Update-in-Progress-blah at the top of cdimage.ubuntu.com, it's still going
[18:39] <stgraber> skaet: getting the usual "Requested download is not authorized..."
[18:39] <cjwatson> Yeah, almost certainly needs the tracker restarted
[18:39] <stgraber> skaet: torrent.ubuntu.com is the one returning that. ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com works but has no seeder (as the seedbox on torrent.ubuntu.com is probably broken again)
[18:41] <skaet> *sigh*
[18:43]  * cjwatson fights through repeated queue timeouts.  I really must get that async branch finished and landed
[18:47] <cjwatson> Oh dear goodness accepting apt might be fun.  *How* many duplicates?
[18:52] <slangasek> why are the amd64+mac images being published to a different place than amd64/i386?
[18:52] <cjwatson> slangasek: s'what the manifest says
[18:52] <cjwatson> I gave up fighting that a while back
[18:52] <slangasek> mm?
[18:53] <cjwatson> I guess because it's less used than amd64 (presumably anyway) and the criterion for releases.u.c publication is popularit
[18:53] <infinity> Wasn't there some magical hope of ditching +mac this cycle anyway?
[18:53] <cjwatson> y
[18:53] <skaet> slangasek,  historical mostly.  I think it had to do with what we considered supported hardware.
[18:53] <slangasek> skaet: no, it has nothing to do with what we consider supported hardware
[18:54] <cjwatson> infinity: Yeah, although I've not had what you might call glorious success with that yet
[18:54] <cjwatson> skaet: If it did, then somebody has misunderstood the purpose of releases.u.c - given that ARM images aren't there
[18:54] <infinity> cjwatson: Did you try buying Matthew alcohol and locking yourself in a room with him?
[18:54] <cjwatson> infinity: What I need to do is buy myself alcohol and lock myself in a room with his blog and a hexdump of our images
[18:55] <infinity> Heh.
[18:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: what're you drinking? ;P
[18:55]  * slangasek looks for an online liquor store that ships to the UK
[18:55] <skaet> slangasek,  well,  since didn't have amd64+mac hardware until just recently for the testing farms,  it felt like a second class citizen.
[18:56] <cjwatson> Talisker 30yo, if you're buying :-P
[18:56] <slangasek> haha
[18:56] <skaet> :)
[18:57] <infinity> Right, let's see if I can update chroots without a kernel panic this time.
[18:57]  * infinity stares at his laptop.
[18:58] <slangasek> skaet: so, especially given that we no longer have the space issues on releases.u.c (thanks to the alternates going away), I think we should reconsider putting amd64+mac and armhf+omap4 to releases.u.c for beta2
[18:59] <infinity> +1
[18:59] <cjwatson> We should remember to clear out maverick from there at some point, though not today
[18:59] <slangasek> btw, I see powerpc images aren't published at all
[18:59] <slangasek> or even listed for testing on the tracker?
[19:00] <cjwatson> publish-image-set didn't show me any powerpc entries, so I assume there was some failure (but haven't been keeping track)
[19:01] <cjwatson> Queue mostly flushed.  Wasn't totally sure whether the X stack involved any ABI changes, and didn't have time to check, so left it there for now; feel free to accept if it's all fine.  Left clutter-1.0 there per jbicha's comment an hour or so ago.  Left apt there because I'm going to need to get an op later to accept it for me.
[19:02] <slangasek> the bot reported a powerpc desktop image about 24h ago, but I don't see it linked from the tracker at all now
[19:02] <cjwatson> And I really ought to go now; can the rest of you take it from here
[19:02] <cjwatson> ?
[19:02] <infinity> Yup.
[19:02] <infinity> apt's timing out on bug closures, I assume?
[19:02] <cjwatson> Yeah, it's trying to close a bug that has a zillion dupe.
[19:02] <cjwatson> +s
[19:02] <infinity> Fun.
[19:03] <infinity> Try in a loop and hope for a hot cache? :P
[19:03] <cjwatson> I have a branch up that'll fix this for good; just needs a bit of deployment dancing.
[19:03] <cjwatson> It'd have to be boiling
[19:03] <cjwatson> Take a look at the RH column of bug 346386
[19:03] <infinity> Not sure boiling caches are an option in our setup.
[19:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 346386 in apt "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346386
[19:04] <infinity> Oh, you clever trickster, sending me to a bug that will obviously timeout when I try to read it. :P
[19:04] <cjwatson> WFM
[19:04] <infinity> Second time's the charm.
[19:04] <cjwatson> It's finding the set of subscribers to all the bugs that's hideously slow
[19:04] <cjwatson> >>> len(lp.bugs[346386].duplicates)
[19:04] <cjwatson> 365
[19:05] <slangasek> workaround: hop in time machine, close bug 4 years ago
[19:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 4 in launchpad "Importing finished po doesn't change progressbar" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4
[19:05] <cjwatson> Thanks, ubot2, that was helpful
[19:06] <infinity> He's just trying to remind slangasek that style guides recommend writing small integers in English.
[19:06] <infinity> "bug four years ago" wouldn't trigger bot annoyance. :P
[19:07] <cjwatson> Damnit I thought about saying that and decided it would be too pedantic. :-)
[19:10]  * slangasek laughs
[19:10] <jbicha> should the -proposed stuff be pushed to quantal too?
[19:11] <slangasek> only after someone's checked that it gives a consistent archive
[19:11] <jbicha> ok
[19:22] <mterry> psivaa, any luck reproducing that g-s-d crash?
[19:25] <plars> mterry: I think he left a bit ago, I've seen it a few times too, but I'm afraid I don't have a reliable way to reproduce it.  Seems a bit random at the moment
[19:25] <plars> mterry: did you have some ideas about how to poke at it in a way that might trigger it more reliably?
[19:25] <plars> not sure what you discussed with him previously
[19:26] <mterry> plars, no, no ideas
[19:26] <mterry> plars, just a possible fix
[19:26] <ScottK> What's the Canonical IS IRC channel again?  It looks like kubuntu.org just died.
[19:27] <skaet> slangasek,  re: contents for releases.u.c - as long as the product owners agree,  I'm +1 on it.   Will simplify tracking from my perspective.
[19:28] <skaet> slangasek,  powerpc images were on tracker.  Got removed so wouldn't publish, due to some not tested, others with too many bugs.    see /history
[19:28] <stgraber> ScottK: #canonical-sysadmin
[19:28] <ScottK> Or stunningly slow.
[19:28] <ScottK> stgraber: Thanks.
[19:30] <ScottK> Fixed itself as soon as you told me the IRC channel.  Perfect.
[19:31] <stgraber> :)
[19:37] <infinity> cjwatson: apt accepted fine from the web UI, oddly enough.
[19:45] <slangasek> skaet: yeah, I can't imagine the product owners are going to object to moving the images somewhere central.  Though, note that this doesn't move *all* the images to releases.u.c, since powerpc and armhf+omap would still be on cdimage as community ports
[19:45] <slangasek> skaet: what's /history?
[19:45] <skaet> slangasek,  on iso tracker s/builds/history/
[19:45] <skaet> will let you see all the subsequent images published.
[19:46] <slangasek> ah.  that's not linked at all in the UI, it seems?
[19:47] <slangasek> oh, there it is, "See removed and superseded builds too"
[19:55] <Laney> well done folks
[19:58] <ScottK> Are we there yet?
[19:58]  * ScottK wonder if Laney's comment means we are.
[19:58]  * Laney checks omgubuntu to be sure
[20:00] <highvoltage> heh
[20:01] <iulian> :)
[20:04] <dobey> i take it all the ppa builders have been comandeered for image respins or something?
[20:05] <Laney> no, doesn't work like that
[20:05] <infinity> Hardware certification, perhaps.
[20:05] <Laney> click a disabled builder's name and you can see why it's disabled (if it's filled in)
[20:05] <infinity> And for the red Xs, more likely just some "issues".
[20:06] <infinity> Since kidnapping for certification tends to take them right off the list.
[20:08] <dobey> oh; half the i386 ones are just Disabled :(
[20:09] <xnox> mterry: the g-s-d crash you are talking about... are there any symptoms that are inspectable in the logs on a live cd?
[20:09] <xnox> mterry: cause ubiquity forgets to use ubuntu font when g-s-d crashes
[20:10] <xnox> mterry: in "Install Now" mode. And it's fairly reliably crashing g-s-d.
[20:10] <mterry> xnox, not that I know of
[20:10] <xnox> mterry: e.g. does a crash produce /var/crash/* or something like that?
[20:11] <xnox> mterry: cause in that mode there is no whoopsie running.
[20:11] <mterry> xnox, oh, it should yeah
[20:11] <mterry> apport does that, right?  and is that not running?
[20:12] <slangasek> whoopsie and apport should both be running; but you may not have any way to ack whoopsie's request to submit
[20:12] <xnox> ok. I'll try testing then & see what's going on.
[20:12]  * xnox Beta1 is out. Thank you everyone, and sorry for all the ubiquity caused respins =/
[20:13] <ScottK> xnox: It's not out until the release announcement is sent.
[20:13] <ScottK> (i.e. not yet)
[20:14] <iulian> We can still go to the pub.
[20:14] <xnox> oh ok. So omgubuntu is ahead of the time.
[20:14] <ScottK> xnox: Like every single release.
[20:14] <Laney> it doesn't say it has been released
[20:14] <Laney> 'made available for download'
[20:15] <xnox> lol =)
[20:15] <xnox> I bet they even watch this channel
[20:15] <xnox> Omg!ubuntu reveal yourself =)
[20:16]  * skaet sees most now, except for core and ubuntustudio...
[20:17]  * infinity wonders why the base buildd chroots have grown by ~4MB...
[20:20] <xnox> infinity: apt-get clean ?
[20:20] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, did that. :P
[20:21] <xnox> =)
[20:21] <infinity> xnox: I'll compare in a sec.  It's a rather curiously large bloat.
[20:21] <xnox> infinity: python3 sneaked in?
[20:21] <infinity> No new packages, just upgrades.
[20:21] <infinity> So, something got a lot fatter.
[20:21] <infinity> Or lots of things got a little fatter.
[20:22] <infinity> Which does happen over the course of every release, but 4M in a month or two seems large.
[20:23] <infinity> 4M compressed, even, so lots of fat uncompressed.
[21:02] <infinity> cjwatson: Dangit, you were right.  Schemas have already diverged to the point where manage-chroot on cocoplum doesn't work anymore. :P
[21:08] <cjwatson> infinity: I have a branch lying around to allow submitting chroot tarballs in the webapp - maybe I should get that in sooner rather than later
[21:08] <infinity> cjwatson: That won't just end in timeout tears?
[21:09] <cjwatson> infinity: I don't think so - it's more like apport blobs
[21:09] <infinity> cjwatson: (I wonder if one couldn't make poppy and the queues do double-duty here somehow...)
[21:09] <cjwatson> But I haven't actually tried it end-to-end :-)
[21:11] <cjwatson> We could use process-upload for it, yes.  I don't think it's necessary, but it would be one option.
[21:11] <infinity> No, perhaps not necessary, but chroots map directly to DASes, so it feels like something one could do custom-uploady, and get an audit trail for free.
[21:12] <infinity> And then I could just jam all 5 arches in one .changes and let it go.
[21:14] <bdmurray> I'm looking at bug 909996 which has an sru in oneiric-proposed and I'm not sure how to proceed.  I'm leaning towards rejecting it per it not being fixed all the way.
[21:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 909996 in b43-fwcutter "firmware-b43legacy-installer errors "17: missing"" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909996
[21:14] <ScottK> Does it represent progress from the current state of affairs?
[21:15] <bdmurray> Yes but it is still broken.  So should we have people update for something that is still broken?
[21:16] <cjwatson> I'm slightly reluctant to do the process-upload bit because I'd have to extend .changes to support uploading to things that aren't source or binary.
[21:17] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, do we have no custom types that aren't, ultimately, attached to a sourcey or binaryey thing?  Yeah, nevermind.
[21:17] <ScottK> If it's not broken enough to be useful in some cases, I'd say it's OK.  If it's less broken, but still never succeeds, then I agree it should get rejected.
[21:17] <cjwatson> infinity: Indeed not.  The last anomalous case was DDTP, and we fixed that.
[21:19] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm just irrationally distrustful of submitting blobs over http.  I'm sure if someone writes a highly unreliable python wrapper that does it for me and I ignore the tracebacks, I'll never need to know it's a massive http POST! ;)
[21:54]  * Riddell arrives back
[21:56] <phillw> Riddell: wb
[22:04] <skaet> thanks cjwatson, Laney,   looks like we're out now.
[22:08] <Laney> \o/
[22:09]  * Laney marks as released
[22:10] <skaet> :)
[22:10]  * Laney twiddles .isotracker.conf and re-enables cron
[22:10] <skaet> thanks Laney :)
[22:10] <Laney> will you speak to webops to get the freeze lifted?
[22:11] <Laney> or is it done?
[22:11] <Laney> it is
[22:11] <skaet> already done earlier.  :)
[22:11] <skaet> soon as we had the image set,  seemed good to do it.   cjwatson cleaned out the queue.
[22:11] <Laney> makes sense
[22:12] <skaet> Laney, can you do the debian-cd/CONF.sh changes?
[22:12] <Laney> I don't know how that works
[22:12] <Laney> someone could teach me
[22:13] <cjwatson> Too tired to teach but I can do it and you can look at my revision
[22:13] <Laney> oui
[22:14] <cjwatson> Haha
[22:14] <cjwatson> Nobody changed it to Beta in the first place
[22:14] <cjwatson> So nothing to do
[22:14] <cjwatson> Process win
[22:14] <cjwatson> Still says OFFICIAL="Alpha"
[22:15] <Laney> you need professional, come to us
[22:17] <Laney> what effect does that variable have?
[22:18] <cjwatson> Volume labels
[22:18] <cjwatson> Worth doing for polish but not world-shattering
[22:19] <skaet> unfortunate... needs to be automated ;)
[22:20] <cjwatson> Right, knackered.  /me -> bedwards
[22:21] <Laney> tata
[22:27] <skaet> sleep well.
[22:42] <phillw> skaet: hi, thanks for the release notes, I've passed on to Lubuntu-QA team. you asked that I remind you later about getting the failed ppc - QA beta 1's onto daily tracker. The guys have been busy tonight working on it, so if you do get chance to do the manual edit it would be appreciated for when Dailies are turned back on.
[22:42] <skaet> thanks phillw,  I needed the reminder.   :)  taking care of it now.
[22:43] <phillw> we kidnapped -testing earlier as we have a new ppc tester who wanted a bit of a tutorial, it went well. More information has been supplied :)
[22:52] <skaet> phillw,  image references are on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds now.
[22:53] <skaet> phillw, unfortuneately I don't know the correct runes to copy the test results over, but if there are more results you can add them there now.
[22:53] <skaet> until the next daily image is published.
[22:56] <xnox> skaet: is the last respin of xubuntu 0905.1 the best image for me to use? (i'm working on unbreaking it, with a few fixes already in bzr)
[22:57] <skaet> xnox,  yes.   the cron jobs are back on,  but if you want a respin off cycle,  just chime in.
[22:57]  * xnox is worried that next daily images will be flaky due to flood gates.
[22:57] <Laney> you'd hope not
[22:57] <xnox> skaet: only if i push out ubiquity will all the fixes. I need two more.
[22:57] <xnox> Laney: no, you'd hope not. I don't have that much hope =)
[22:58] <xnox> skaet: thanks for the offer though =)
[22:59] <skaet> xnox,  np.    Speak up in next hour or so,  or catch one of the other release team members to trigger it.   I'll be afk in a bit.
[22:59] <Laney> he shouldn't be working this late :P
[23:00] <xnox> Laney: well this early. 7th of September for the win
[23:00] <xnox> skaet: ok. I am sure infinity will be up =)
[23:01] <infinity> xnox: Up, yes, but I might not be around.
[23:01] <infinity> If I can get my razor to stay charged long enough to trim the other half of my face...
[23:01] <xnox> ok.
[23:01]  * xnox can imagine......
[23:01] <xnox> infinity: dressing up for the Global Jam? =)
[23:02] <infinity> Sure, let's say it's that.
[23:02] <infinity> Cause the other conversation could be awkward.
[23:02] <infinity> "You see, young xnox, when mommies and daddies love each other very much (or are drunk)..."
[23:02] <xnox> infinity: stop right there, thank you very much.
[23:02] <Laney> spice girls lyrics?
[23:03]  * xnox why do xubuntu daily isos have the same names as ubuntu daily isos!
[23:04] <xnox> Laney: ;-)
[23:23] <xnox> skaet: good that we didn't release xubuntu. I was horrified a few times already. Started the desktop now.
[23:24]  * skaet nods
[23:24] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:25] <xnox> knome: i am taking notes. will talk about it later, after the first round of ubiquity fixes are uploaded.
[23:25] <knome> yeah
[23:26] <knome> xnox, do you think there is something we aren't able to fix or...? :)
[23:26] <knome> xnox, just want to prepare on how bad the situation is... ;)
[23:26] <xnox> let's just say that modern advances in xfce did not propagate back into ubiquity which tries hard at faking old xfce
[23:27] <xnox> =)
[23:27] <knome> humm..
[23:39] <knome> aren't beta2 images first released on monday 17th?
[23:40] <xnox> knome: i thought 24th?
[23:40] <smartboyhw> FIRST released?!!?
[23:40] <knome> ah, of course.
[23:40] <knome> but monday, good...
[23:41] <xnox> smartboyhw: candidates published.....
[23:41] <smartboyhw> Oh you mean that.
[23:41] <smartboyhw> I thought the official release