[00:01] what are the latest marvels in the world of ultrabooks? [00:03] silverarrow: from my very poor memory, kubuntu have been playing with them [00:04] they are nice though [00:04] live CD is usually all fine with destop image? [00:04] latest build is very coars pixeled still [00:04] might be a bit difficul to fix [00:05] silverarrow: you'd need to have to chat with the kubuntu team. They are the only team I know specialising in net books. [00:06] skaet: do you know if ubuntu net book remix is still progressing? [00:06] phillw - ?? not one on my manifest for keeping an eye on. details? [00:07] skaet: I did see once upon a time that ubuntu were doing a net-book remix. If it is not on tracker, I guess it died? [00:08] silverarrow: seems like kubuntu is your best bet. [00:08] installer still doesn't work in the lastest build [00:09] it's like everything works, the wizard window just doesn't show properly [00:09] does it make sense? [00:09] silverarrow: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook [00:10] silverarrow: I only know of it via snippets of chats on QA etc. I know no more than the ability to find the link for you, sorry. [00:11] my mom just bought a netbook with a screen like that [00:11] she has better hardware than me these days [00:12] I still hold the samsung 9 series high [00:12] thanks though [00:13] silverarrow: they ask on that page that you contact on #kubuntu [00:14] I might just do that [00:14] for now, I have not even bought it yet [00:14] the kubuntu people are really nice guys, as are all our flavours. It is only when I send people away from the family do I hear of 'bad tempered people'. [00:15] the lightweight ones are getting really good these days [00:15] well, I got a sort of yelling over at debian [00:15] they hate the mentioning of ubuntu [00:15] not sure why [00:15] lubuntu were looking into one, but we do not have resources in terms of devs to do it. [00:15] Is ee [00:16] it doesn't matter much right now [00:16] in two months time it probably will [00:16] silverarrow: have a look at how many archs we're running with :) [00:17] it is impressive [00:17] What we would like to do is not possible, [00:17] and laods of feedback on the forum too [00:18] our QA testers are available to any team. We are all one family and help each other out. [00:18] which is a very good thing [00:19] it really helps when we only have a couple of hours to go for a milestone release :D [00:19] for the moment, I shall focus on ppc testing [00:19] i can imagine [00:20] i reall didn't like the ubiqity bug though [00:20] stops installing completely [00:20] ...on to the alternate iso [00:21] silverarrow: that will be appreciated. Whilst PPC is concentrated within lubuntu, the guys will jump in to help any of the teams that support ppc [00:22] how do I make screen shots in windows? [00:22] the print screen button does not work [00:22] I use Scrot which is Fn+PrcScr [00:24] oh thanks [00:24] scrot works in terminal lubuntu at least [00:26] silverarrow: if in doubt, head over to #ubuntu-beginners Those folk are pretty good at anything. do not mistake beginners for being newbies.... They are the experienced people from IRC and the main forum area. It's a lot more peaceful than asking on #ubuntu :P [00:27] thanks [00:56] smartboyhw, chinese images that have been tested are now available from: http://localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/233/builds known issues so far are: http://goo.gl/8QNDe [00:58] There is a more recent set at: http://china-images.ubuntu.com/quantal/daily-live/20120905.2/ [00:58] but they are likely to have same flaws as the one on the iso tracker. [01:14] i think I did it correctly [01:14] bug number 1046619 [01:16] launchpad #1046619 [01:16] Launchpad bug 1046619 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity fail to launch in 12.10 powerpc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046619 === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === swan is now known as Guest72563 [09:05] hey everyone, I need help with community testing of various removable devices in 12.10 [09:05] I wrote instructions about this here: https://plus.google.com/116315264177593873442/posts/aQq8vV7gUnE [09:06] it takes just a short moment to try this out and I could really use the help [09:06] the more hardware we see the better === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch [09:55] skaet: Thanks for the info:) [09:56] Thanks for setting it up actually:) [09:56] But I do wonder: Who actually compile the Chinese builds??? === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik [11:10] jibel: Are you also responsible for the Ubuntu QA localized ISO tracker? [11:19] bdmurray: when you get on webcam still seems to be fixed for me [11:19] marking it so [11:48] smartboyhw, I am not. [11:48] Oh allright [11:49] smartboyhw, actually I am not responsible of any tracker, just helping with iso testing. [11:49] Who then? I can't see testcases there, and the Testcase Admins team members can't add one... [12:19] why do we have to report on the testing tracker website and not just launchpad? [12:19] also how bad is it, if i don't report against a specific package in launchpad? [12:24] kanliot: (1) so we know if we need to fix that bug urgently, because it affects the CD; so that we know if the CDs are good and we can release them. [12:24] ok [12:25] kanliot: (2) reporting without specifying package, wastes everyone's time. Somebody will have to read the bug report, triage decide which package to allocate, then the people who are responsible for that package need to triage the bug again and see if they can fix it. [12:25] k [12:25] good answer [12:25] x2 [12:25] +1 xnox [12:25] kanliot: if you don't do neither (1) or (2) then a critical bug can be lost for a very long time..... [12:26] even if the fix is very simple & quick [12:27] kanliot: And if you don't do BOTH there will be serious trouble for us to fix the bug and make Ubuntu bette [12:27] r [13:55] that iso website what's it called [13:55] qa tracker or testing tracker [13:55] or qa testing [13:55] or smoo smoo [13:55] ;) [13:55] QA Tracker [13:55] called testing tracker on the the actual site [13:56] ISO QA Tracker and Packages QA Tracker that is [14:01] would you mark every important bug on the milestone release tracker? [14:01] or just bugs that prevent install and use [14:02] kanliot: Second one is better I think [14:05] I mark others kanliot - they need to be flagged somewhere [14:06] elfy, i don't understand [14:07] I don't just put critical bugs there [14:10] so you don't put critical bugs on the milestone release tracker? [14:10] what do you do with the crit bugs? [14:11] kanliot: sorry - not being specific enough - I don't JUST put critical bugs - I put others as well :) [14:11] ty elfy [14:11] kanliot: I think that if that the critical bugs affects installation or use, put the bug there. If it does not affect the installation, just a single package, no need [14:30] davmor2: great, thanks for testing [14:33] i just wrote a page for new users that want to contribute to milestone testing. please reveiew it, it's a short page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/NewTesters?action=recall&rev=16 [14:33] bdmurray: no worries [14:33] Good job kanliot [14:34] :) [15:33] so right now we're testing beta 1, to make sure it's ok to release? [15:33] and second question, what are the dailies for? the devs? [15:34] for netboot can mini.iso be put on a USB drive? [15:35] kanliot: yes, and anyone who wants them [15:39] riddell, sure [15:40] patdk-wk: how? usb-creator doesn't enable the buttons when I try [15:40] oh wait, you mean the netboot test? [15:40] oh, I dunno about using usb-creator to do it [15:40] probably just no one made a profile for it to know how [15:42] give unetbootin a try? [15:47] hmm mini.iso doesn't work in virtualbox for me, gets to Installer boot menu but freezes on pressing enter [15:48] Riddell, dd mini.iso to a usb stick and boot from it [15:48] dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M [15:48] be careful to dd to the usb device [15:49] not a partition and certainly not your disk drive :) [15:57] oh amd64 image on a 32bit machine, not likely to be happy [16:12] Riddell: it works if you tap it on the side lightly every 72 seconds [16:13] or use a 64bit computer [16:18] Riddell: really?! =)))) [16:18] * xnox giggles [16:18] yeah yeah, it didn't have a friendly error message like I remember from the normal images last time I did that [16:19] Riddell: is that netboot? [16:19] Riddell: pics or it won't be fixed [16:19] =) [16:23] xnox: yes [16:46] what is "run once" on the iso tracker? [16:47] wxl: the test is executed at least onces to be acceptable, instead of requiring multiple reports against the test case [16:49] xnox: by that logic, shouldn't the lubuntu arm preinstall (as an example) be run once, too? [16:50] …since the test passed with no bugs? [16:50] wxl: why? 'run once' is a compromise if the test case is (a) hard to do due to time & hardware availability / constraints (b) or covered by other cases, and that particular test cases does not depend on particular hardware. [16:51] wxl: preinstall are very flaky. Are other arm preinstall marked as run once in other products? [16:52] xnox: i misunderstood you. you mean that the testcase will have already been marked as run once, not that some condition causes it to be marked as such. [16:52] rigt? [16:53] wxl: it's a property of a test-case by itself, same as testcase ID & steps. [16:54] wxl: there are no conditions that change that label. [16:54] xnox: ok, nevermind that then. for beta1 do we need anything beyond the mandatory tests? [16:55] wxl: ask skaet. I don't know. [16:55] * xnox is just a coder.... [16:55] wxl: an image needs to be marked as ready, otherwise it will not be released. Join #ubuntu-release and talk to skaet. [17:02] I got a tip on the forum on how to install [17:02] wxl? [17:03] should I burn a new Beta CD now? [17:03] silverarrow: i'd be curious to hear what it is. [17:03] something with unmode [17:03] yeah unless you have a cd-rw (which, again, i recommend) [17:03] wait [17:03] rw? [17:04] read/write -- you can reburn them [17:06] installed the new beta [17:06] but it's turning off my monitor and displaying an error message [17:06] no idea where to file the bug [17:06] I might look for those [17:07] though I am afraid this late I shall have to do with a stack of what ever they have at a local store [17:09] this is the suggestion when booting; add this in the terminal like boot stage "live video=ofonly" [17:09] kanliot, there are new betas all the time? or just updates? [17:09] kanliot: i betcha your bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/1041625 [17:09] Ubuntu bug 1041625 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome (Ubuntu) "X not starting after install [openchrome]" [High,Triaged] [17:10] also i should add that beta1 testing is wrapping up [17:10] is wrapped up [17:10] so now we're ging to move back to daily testing [17:10] pre beta testing is done [17:10] i bet it's whatever video drivers i'm using [17:11] silverarrow what was the question? [17:11] and i'm bothered enough by the black screen to make it critical [17:11] I`thinking of the beta download, is it the same for a few days, or new all the time? [17:11] but i bet i'm the only one on this planet who thinks a black screen is critical [17:11] or am I thinking wrong ? [17:12] sounds like the bugs were too big with ppc that we're probably not going to see an "official" beta release [17:12] sounds like a good question [17:12] i'll ask it on the mailing list [17:12] so look for the dailies and keep testing there [17:12] kanliot: yes it's pretty huge— and should eb described in that aforementioned bug report [17:13] kanliot: i should mention there's a fix described there [17:13] wxl, i'm already a little upset, but i assure you it's a differnt bug. [17:13] oh, and word is there may be a beta2 ppc. [17:14] oh [17:14] kanliot: i can understand your feelings, but i would give it a shot. i have seen a lot of symptoms that seem to be pointing at that one issue. worst case scenario it does nothing. [17:14] I have been reading up and down on those pages, but they say nothing about the frequencies of updates or new stuff [17:15] and I think I have figured out what is wrong with my fujitxu pc, inverter is gone [17:15] silverarrow: mostly, we're testing dailies. these get interrupted by alphas and betas. and the release of course. usually then they sort of turn off testing of the dailies. [17:15] wxl did the fix include turning the monitor off and on? [17:15] kanliot: nope, updating openchrome. but that's a thought, too. [17:16] wxl, thanks, I have to get the terminology right too [17:16] beta, alpha, proto... [17:16] silverarrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [17:17] and I assume a freeze is new hot out of the oven and has been in the freezer for a while? [17:18] freeze means no new features will bad added [17:18] ...to cool down [17:18] I see [17:18] closer to the final setup on the release then [17:18] of* perhaps [17:19] once it's frozen, it gets tested basically, and then released [17:19] up until then daily testing is leading to the release [17:19] but for the beta 2 rumor? [17:19] what do you recommend I go for? [17:19] that will depend on daily testing in the meanwhile and whether or not we can squash critical bugs [17:20] beta1 as you can see is being released today [17:20] it hasn't been fully released yet but it's coming [17:20] I will keep my eyes open [17:20] then we await re-spins so that we get fresh dailies [17:20] but it sounds like they're manually copying over the ppc builds to speed things up a bit [17:20] an email will go out to the lubuntu-qa list when that happens [17:21] you MAY want to play with what you already have and see if that thing you figured out might help you get the ball rolling [17:21] that way if that bug is still around, you'll be prepared for it [17:22] and actually taht's a fairly easy fix [17:23] I know where to look for bugs though [17:23] wonder if gnash mozilla plugin has been tested [17:24] all the regular workarounds for ppc [17:24] confirmed that openchrome has nothing to do with the problems in ppc [17:24] getting Lars (another ppc tester) to check out what you were using [17:27] lars? where is he? [17:27] I am in norway [17:27] dunno [17:27] good, the faster the progress the sooner we can wait for them to go break something else :P [17:27] probably in the dark alley behind your house [17:27] lol [17:27] you never know [17:28] Allegedly, there should be no more major breakages. Beta 1 --> Beta 2 is bug fixing time. [17:28] with a name like that, I would guess some kind of scandinavian connections [17:28] um [17:28] "connections," yes [17:28] in scandinavia, no [17:28] a few americans have that name [17:29] an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Ulrich [17:29] yes, germans [17:29] here's another good one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Larson [17:29] not common in germany though [17:29] very sweedish lol [17:30] it`s either danish, swedish or norwegian [17:31] he is in europe according to time zone https://launchpad.net/~larsnooden [17:31] but on with the install then [17:31] finnland [17:31] hmm [17:32] oh, and whilst you're both here. Just to remind you that there is quite a queue of stuff for ppc once the archives are unfrozen ready for the next daily build. [17:32] a daily build is something I download and install? [17:33] or burn on cd and install? [17:33] silverarrow: yeah, the dailies appear on the iso tracker. [17:33] thanks [17:33] it's the same as the beta, silverarrow [17:33] silverarrow: its a lot qwuicker to use zsync for this [17:33] except [17:33] you get a new one every day [17:33] XD [17:33] lol [17:34] if the splash screen is killing my monitor what do i file a bug gainst [17:34] A CD-RW is worth paying for if you play with the dailies. [17:34] it's the screen saying "an error was encountered checking your disks" [17:35] ↑ told you you want cd-rw! [17:35] kanliot: have a check on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/Install_Bugs [17:35] ok ok [17:36] yeah, you know it's getting serious when i whip out the unicode ☻ [17:46] silverarrow: you should go confirm bug 1046951 [17:46] Launchpad bug 1046951 in xorg (Ubuntu) "No desktop environment or window manager, just X with the mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046951 [17:46] that's specifically for ppc [17:46] thanks [17:47] brb, getting cds [17:47] i'd suggest testing video=ofonly and reporting there [17:47] which lars is doing too i think [17:49] wxl: did you get added to the mailing list for all lubuntu type bugs? [17:49] phillw: yeah, so i've been checking on expired packages and all other sorts of things. it's been really useful. thx for the suggestion [17:49] silverarrow: what's your launchpad id out of curiousity? [17:51] it is invaluable for me to have an over view of what is going on. I can also do a search on my gmail account quickly to find a bug that I dimly recall :) [17:53] hahahha yeah no kidding [17:54] balloons: hiyas, how's life treating you? [17:54] phillw, howdy [17:55] I'm working on testcases again today [17:55] hope you don't mind me kidnapping the room for a quick ppc discussion :) [17:55] lol [17:55] ppc is still alive [17:55] as such, talk away [17:55] it is, looks like it is a different bug to that thought. [17:56] where was that number [17:56] bug 1046951 [17:56] wxl: which one? [17:56] Launchpad bug 1046951 in xorg (Ubuntu) "No desktop environment or window manager, just X with the mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046951 [17:57] ↑ aka the "ppc's problem ain't openchrome" bug [17:58] 😂 [18:31] back, I could not get the CD-rw type until tomorrow [18:32] no rush [18:32] as i said, it will take a while for beta1 to get released and then the proper dailies to come out [18:32] I still got a bunch of regular CD-r [18:32] i'd wait [18:32] instead what i'd suggest is to see if you can get the cd you have already burned working [18:32] with video=ofonly [18:33] report to that bug that i mentioned above [18:33] and then if it does work, see if you can get the install going [18:33] and then file more bugs for anything else you find [18:33] and come back and see if we can work through those [18:33] I am just home again, and are on the ibook now [18:33] etc etc etc ♻ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:34] that is me on the windows computer [18:34] ew [18:34] i mean, [18:34] no, i mean ew [18:34] lol [18:35] video=ofonly [18:35] 😨 [18:35] I am writing just ot have to have it on the other screen [18:36] and bug bug 1046951 [18:36] Launchpad bug 1046951 in xorg (Ubuntu) "No desktop environment or window manager, just X with the mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046951 [18:36] yp [18:36] ok for live cd, === silverarrow_ is now known as silverarrow [18:39] I cannot identify ? [18:39] what do you mean? [18:39] / msg nickserv identifly password? [18:40] never mind, [18:40] I get asked to identify all the time [18:40] fly lol [18:40] well if you're registered you should be able to identify :) [18:41] there [18:41] but that's a #freenode question not a #lubuntu or #ubuntu-testing question! [18:41] sorry [18:41] np [18:43] live video=ofonly [18:43] offonly? [18:43] of [18:43] indvalid device [18:43] unable to open file [18:44] I might have to ask on the forum about that [18:44] quadruple checked spelling [18:45] ?? [18:45] i'm sure the spelling is right [18:45] it might be something else [18:45] one sec [18:49] no working [18:49] I must have fiddled with something [18:49] PATIENCE [18:49] :) [18:49] now* [18:49] strange lubuntu wait screen [18:50] a bit psychedelic [18:50] lsd influenced logo [18:50] hm [18:50] the problem may be the "live" part [18:50] that may not be what the image is called [18:50] i don't remember teh command to see all the images [18:50] i think it may be just hitting tab [18:50] however, easily readable [18:51] when you get to the boot prompt it should either give you instructions [18:51] or try ? [18:51] or help [18:51] and find the command to list images [18:51] find all the images [18:51] pick an appropriate one [18:51] I am as far as loading cd, the lubuntu .... logo [18:51] and enter "image video=ofonly" [18:51] where image is the name of the image [18:51] * silverarrow noting down on postit [18:51] noteing [18:52] why it is ofonly and not offonly: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org/msg28420.html [18:53] keep reading those threads and you may find other video configs to try [18:53] boot up image is much the same [18:54] like stripes across the desktop image [18:54] actually a bit better [18:54] installer works!! [18:55] wxl, full install or live stuff first? [18:56] i would prefer install right away [18:57] do it! [18:58] silverarrow: you missed wxl he said do the install! [18:58] thanks [19:00] use LVM with new install? [19:01] silverarrow: if you wish [19:04] is it all right to install alongside 12.04 to be able to choose between 12.04 and 12.10? [19:05] it would feel safe [19:05] if there is an advantage to deleteing 12.04 I can [19:05] if the installer offers side by side you should be ok. There is a gremlin using luks and lvm that has been mentioned. Jusy pay attention to what the installer says. [19:06] ok [19:06] a gremlin [19:06] * silverarrow was hoping to encounter a mogwai [19:07] lol, it's not a fully fledged bug, just something that happens which is thought could be better warned about. [19:13] just dont' get it wet [19:17] installer freezes on me [19:17] file a bug [19:17] against ubuity [19:17] err [19:17] ubuiquity [19:17] ubiquity [19:17] sheesh [19:17] i have reboot live cd three times and it freezes [19:18] i filed a bug last night, could I just keep posting in thesame section? [19:18] no [19:20] ok new bug [19:20] no [19:20] not unless it's different [19:24] how do you mean wxl? [19:24] if it's the same bug as you reported, no need to report it again [19:24] and if it's not a different bug, no reason to report a new bug [19:24] I mean, live video=ofonly makes insaller windows appear [19:25] then as I thought, just adding to the same bug [19:26] well if you couldn't get installer windows before, then i would report there that video=ofonly fixes it [19:26] and change the package to yaboot, really [19:26] and then report a new bug for the ubiquity crash [19:28] phillw, ping [19:29] balloons: pong [19:29]