[00:01] <silverarrow> what are the latest marvels in the world of ultrabooks?
[00:03] <phillw> silverarrow: from my very poor memory, kubuntu have been playing with them
[00:04] <silverarrow> they are nice though
[00:04] <silverarrow> live CD is usually all fine with destop image?
[00:04] <silverarrow> latest build is very coars pixeled still
[00:04] <silverarrow> might be a bit difficul to fix
[00:05] <phillw> silverarrow: you'd need to have to chat with the kubuntu team. They are the only team I know specialising in net books.
[00:06] <phillw> skaet: do you know if ubuntu net book remix is still progressing?
[00:06] <skaet> phillw - ??  not one on my manifest for keeping an eye on.  details?
[00:07] <phillw> skaet: I did see once upon a time that ubuntu were doing a net-book remix. If it is not on tracker, I guess it died?
[00:08] <phillw> silverarrow: seems like kubuntu is your best bet.
[00:08] <silverarrow> installer still doesn't work in the lastest build
[00:09] <silverarrow> it's like everything works, the wizard window just doesn't show properly
[00:09] <silverarrow> does it make sense?
[00:09] <phillw> silverarrow: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook
[00:10] <phillw> silverarrow: I only know of it via snippets of chats on QA etc. I know no more than the ability to find the link for you, sorry.
[00:11] <silverarrow> my mom just bought a netbook with a screen like that
[00:11] <silverarrow> she has better hardware than me these days
[00:12] <silverarrow> I still hold the samsung 9 series high
[00:12] <silverarrow> thanks though
[00:13] <phillw> silverarrow: they ask on that page that you contact on #kubuntu
[00:14] <silverarrow> I might just do that
[00:14] <silverarrow> for now, I have not even bought it yet
[00:14] <phillw> the kubuntu people are really nice guys, as are all our flavours. It is only when I send people away from the family do I hear of 'bad tempered people'.
[00:15] <silverarrow> the lightweight ones are getting really good these days
[00:15] <silverarrow> well, I got a sort of yelling over at debian
[00:15] <silverarrow> they hate the mentioning of ubuntu
[00:15] <silverarrow> not sure why
[00:15] <phillw> lubuntu were looking into one, but we do not have resources in terms of devs to do it.
[00:15] <silverarrow> Is ee
[00:16] <silverarrow> it doesn't matter much right now
[00:16] <silverarrow> in two months time it probably will
[00:16] <phillw> silverarrow: have a look at how many archs we're running with :)
[00:17] <silverarrow> it is impressive
[00:17] <phillw> What we would like to do is not possible,
[00:17] <silverarrow> and laods of feedback on the forum too
[00:18] <phillw> our QA testers are available to any team. We are all one family and help each other out.
[00:18] <silverarrow> which is a very good thing
[00:19] <phillw> it really helps when we only have a couple of hours to go for a milestone release :D
[00:19] <silverarrow> for the moment, I shall focus on ppc testing
[00:19] <silverarrow> i can imagine
[00:20] <silverarrow> i reall didn't like the ubiqity bug though
[00:20] <silverarrow> stops installing completely
[00:20] <silverarrow> ...on to the alternate iso
[00:21] <phillw> silverarrow: that will be appreciated. Whilst PPC is concentrated within lubuntu, the guys will jump in to help any of the teams that support ppc
[00:22] <silverarrow> how do I make screen shots in windows?
[00:22] <silverarrow> the print screen button does not work
[00:22] <phillw> I use Scrot which is Fn+PrcScr
[00:24] <silverarrow> oh thanks
[00:24] <silverarrow> scrot works in terminal lubuntu at least
[00:26] <phillw> silverarrow: if in doubt, head over to #ubuntu-beginners Those folk are pretty good at anything. do not mistake beginners for being newbies.... They are the experienced people from IRC and the main forum area. It's a lot more peaceful than asking on #ubuntu :P
[00:27] <silverarrow> thanks
[00:56] <skaet> smartboyhw,  chinese images that have been tested are now available from: http://localized-iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/233/builds  known issues so far are: http://goo.gl/8QNDe
[00:58] <skaet> There is a more recent set at: http://china-images.ubuntu.com/quantal/daily-live/20120905.2/
[00:58] <skaet> but they are likely to have same flaws as the one on the iso tracker.
[01:14] <silverarrow> i think I did it correctly
[01:14] <silverarrow> bug number 1046619
[01:16] <silverarrow> launchpad #1046619
[09:05] <zyga> hey everyone, I need help with community testing of various removable devices in 12.10
[09:05] <zyga> I wrote instructions about this here: https://plus.google.com/116315264177593873442/posts/aQq8vV7gUnE
[09:06] <zyga> it takes just a short moment to try this out and I could really use the help
[09:06] <zyga> the more hardware we see the better
[09:55] <smartboyhw> skaet: Thanks for the info:)
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Thanks for setting it up actually:)
[09:56] <smartboyhw> But I do wonder: Who actually compile the Chinese builds???
[11:10] <smartboyhw> jibel: Are you also responsible for the Ubuntu QA localized ISO tracker?
[11:19] <davmor2> bdmurray: when you get on webcam still seems to be fixed for me
[11:19] <davmor2> marking it so
[11:48] <jibel> smartboyhw, I am not.
[11:48] <smartboyhw> Oh allright
[11:49] <jibel> smartboyhw, actually I am not responsible of any tracker, just helping with iso testing.
[11:49] <smartboyhw> Who then? I can't see testcases there, and the Testcase Admins team members can't add one...
[12:19] <kanliot> why do we have to report on the testing tracker website and not just launchpad?
[12:19] <kanliot> also how bad is it, if i don't report against a specific package in launchpad?
[12:24] <xnox> kanliot: (1) so we know if we need to fix that bug urgently, because it affects the CD; so that we know if the CDs are good and we can release them.
[12:24] <kanliot> ok
[12:25] <xnox> kanliot: (2) reporting without specifying package, wastes everyone's time. Somebody will have to read the bug report, triage decide which package to allocate, then the people who are responsible for that package need to triage the bug again and see if they can fix it.
[12:25] <kanliot> k
[12:25] <kanliot> good answer
[12:25] <kanliot> x2
[12:25] <smartboyhw> +1 xnox
[12:25] <xnox> kanliot: if you don't do neither (1) or (2) then a critical bug can be lost for a very long time.....
[12:26] <xnox> even if the fix is very simple & quick
[12:27] <smartboyhw> kanliot: And if you don't do BOTH there will be serious trouble for us to fix the bug and make Ubuntu bette
[12:27] <smartboyhw> r
[13:55] <kanliot> that iso website what's it called
[13:55] <kanliot> qa tracker or testing tracker
[13:55] <kanliot> or qa testing
[13:55] <kanliot> or smoo smoo
[13:55] <kanliot> ;)
[13:55] <smartboyhw> QA Tracker
[13:55] <kanliot> called testing tracker on the the actual site
[13:56] <smartboyhw> ISO QA Tracker and Packages QA Tracker that is
[14:01] <kanliot> would you mark every important bug on the milestone release tracker?
[14:01] <kanliot> or just bugs that prevent install and use
[14:02] <smartboyhw> kanliot: Second one is better I think
[14:05] <elfy> I mark others kanliot - they need to be flagged somewhere
[14:06] <kanliot> elfy, i don't understand
[14:07] <elfy> I don't just put critical bugs there
[14:10] <kanliot> so you don't put critical bugs on the milestone release tracker?
[14:10] <kanliot> what do you do with the crit bugs?
[14:11] <elfy> kanliot: sorry - not being specific enough - I don't JUST put critical bugs - I put others as well  :)
[14:11] <kanliot> ty elfy
[14:11] <smartboyhw> kanliot: I think that if that the critical bugs affects installation or use, put the bug there. If it does not affect the installation, just a single package, no need
[14:30] <bdmurray> davmor2: great, thanks for testing
[14:33] <kanliot> i just wrote a page for new users that want to contribute to milestone testing.  please reveiew it, it's a short page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/NewTesters?action=recall&rev=16
[14:33] <davmor2> bdmurray: no worries
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Good job kanliot
[14:34] <kanliot> :)
[15:33] <kanliot> so right now we're testing beta 1, to make sure it's ok to release?
[15:33] <kanliot> and second question, what are the dailies for?  the devs?
[15:34] <Riddell> for netboot can mini.iso be put on a USB drive?
[15:35] <Riddell> kanliot: yes, and anyone who wants them
[15:39] <patdk-wk> riddell, sure
[15:40] <Riddell> patdk-wk: how? usb-creator doesn't enable the buttons when I try
[15:40] <patdk-wk> oh wait, you mean the netboot test?
[15:40] <patdk-wk> oh, I dunno about using usb-creator to do it
[15:40] <patdk-wk> probably just no one made a profile for it to know how
[15:42] <patdk-wk> give unetbootin a try?
[15:47] <Riddell> hmm mini.iso doesn't work in virtualbox for me, gets to Installer boot menu but freezes on pressing enter
[15:48] <jibel> Riddell, dd mini.iso to a usb stick and boot from it
[15:48] <jibel> dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
[15:48] <jibel> be careful to dd to the usb device
[15:49] <jibel> not a partition and certainly not your disk drive :)
[15:57] <Riddell> oh amd64 image on a 32bit machine, not likely to be happy
[16:12] <xnox> Riddell: it works if you tap it on the side lightly every 72 seconds
[16:13] <Riddell> or use a 64bit computer
[16:18] <xnox> Riddell: really?! =))))
[16:18]  * xnox giggles
[16:18] <Riddell> yeah yeah, it didn't have a friendly error message like I remember from the normal images last time I did that
[16:19] <xnox> Riddell: is that netboot?
[16:19] <xnox> Riddell: pics or it won't be fixed
[16:19] <xnox> =)
[16:23] <Riddell> xnox: yes
[16:46] <wxl> what is "run once" on the iso tracker?
[16:47] <xnox> wxl: the test is executed at least onces to be acceptable, instead of requiring multiple reports against the test case
[16:49] <wxl> xnox: by that logic, shouldn't the lubuntu arm preinstall (as an example) be run once, too?
[16:50] <wxl> …since the test passed with no bugs?
[16:50] <xnox> wxl: why? 'run once' is a compromise if the test case is (a) hard to do due to time & hardware availability / constraints (b) or covered by other cases, and that particular test cases does not depend on particular hardware.
[16:51] <xnox> wxl: preinstall are very flaky. Are other arm preinstall marked as run once in other products?
[16:52] <wxl> xnox: i misunderstood you. you mean that the testcase will have already been marked as run once, not that some condition causes it to be marked as such.
[16:52] <wxl> rigt?
[16:53] <xnox> wxl: it's a property of a test-case by itself, same as testcase ID & steps.
[16:54] <xnox> wxl: there are no conditions that change that label.
[16:54] <wxl> xnox: ok, nevermind that then. for beta1 do we need anything beyond the mandatory tests?
[16:55] <xnox> wxl: ask skaet. I don't know.
[16:55]  * xnox is just a coder....
[16:55] <xnox> wxl: an image needs to be marked as ready, otherwise it will not be released. Join #ubuntu-release and talk to skaet.
[17:02] <silverarrow> I got a tip on the forum on how to install
[17:02] <silverarrow> wxl?
[17:03] <silverarrow> should I burn a new Beta CD now?
[17:03] <wxl> silverarrow: i'd be curious to hear what it is.
[17:03] <silverarrow> something with unmode
[17:03] <wxl> yeah unless you have a cd-rw (which, again, i recommend)
[17:03] <silverarrow> wait
[17:03] <silverarrow> rw?
[17:04] <wxl> read/write -- you can reburn them
[17:06] <kanliot> installed the new beta
[17:06] <kanliot> but it's turning off my monitor and displaying an error message
[17:06] <kanliot> no idea where to file the bug
[17:06] <silverarrow> I might look for those
[17:07] <silverarrow> though I am afraid this late I shall have to do with a stack of what ever they have at a local store
[17:09] <silverarrow> this is the suggestion when booting; add this in the terminal like boot stage "live video=ofonly"
[17:09] <silverarrow> kanliot, there are new betas all the time? or just updates?
[17:09] <wxl> kanliot: i betcha your bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/1041625
[17:10] <wxl> also i should add that beta1 testing is wrapping up
[17:10] <kanliot> is wrapped up
[17:10] <wxl> so now we're ging to move back to daily testing
[17:10] <kanliot> pre beta testing is done
[17:10] <kanliot> i bet it's whatever video drivers i'm using
[17:11] <kanliot> silverarrow what was the question?
[17:11] <kanliot> and i'm bothered enough by the black screen to make it critical
[17:11] <silverarrow> I`thinking of the beta download, is it the same for a few days, or new all the time?
[17:11] <kanliot> but i bet i'm the only one on this planet who thinks a black screen is critical
[17:11] <silverarrow> or am I thinking wrong ?
[17:12] <wxl> sounds like the bugs were too big with ppc that we're probably not going to see an "official" beta release
[17:12] <kanliot> sounds like a good question
[17:12] <kanliot> i'll ask it on the mailing list
[17:12] <wxl> so look for the dailies and keep testing there
[17:12] <wxl> kanliot: yes it's pretty huge— and should eb described in that aforementioned bug report
[17:13] <wxl> kanliot: i should mention there's a fix described there
[17:13] <kanliot> wxl, i'm already a little upset, but i assure you it's a differnt bug.
[17:13] <wxl> oh, and word is there may be a beta2 ppc.
[17:14] <silverarrow> oh
[17:14] <wxl> kanliot: i can understand your feelings, but i would give it a shot. i have seen a lot of symptoms that seem to be pointing at that one issue. worst case scenario it does nothing.
[17:14] <silverarrow> I have been reading up and down on those pages, but they say nothing about the frequencies of updates or new stuff
[17:15] <silverarrow> and I think I have figured out what is wrong with my fujitxu pc, inverter is gone
[17:15] <wxl> silverarrow: mostly, we're testing dailies. these get interrupted by alphas and betas. and the release of course. usually then they sort of turn off testing of the dailies.
[17:15] <kanliot> wxl did the fix include turning the monitor off and on?
[17:15] <wxl> kanliot: nope, updating openchrome. but that's a thought, too.
[17:16] <silverarrow> wxl, thanks, I  have to get the terminology right too
[17:16] <silverarrow> beta, alpha, proto...
[17:16] <wxl> silverarrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[17:17] <silverarrow> and I assume a freeze is new hot out of the oven and has been in the freezer for a while?
[17:18] <wxl> freeze means no new features will bad added
[17:18] <silverarrow> ...to cool down
[17:18] <silverarrow> I see
[17:18] <silverarrow> closer to the final setup on the release then
[17:18] <silverarrow> of* perhaps
[17:19] <wxl> once it's frozen, it gets tested basically, and then released
[17:19] <wxl> up until then daily testing is leading to the release
[17:19] <silverarrow> but for the beta 2 rumor?
[17:19] <silverarrow> what do you recommend I go for?
[17:19] <wxl> that will depend on daily testing in the meanwhile and whether or not we can squash critical bugs
[17:20] <wxl> beta1 as you can see is being released today
[17:20] <wxl> it hasn't been fully released yet but it's coming
[17:20] <silverarrow> I will keep my eyes open
[17:20] <wxl> then we await re-spins so that we get fresh dailies
[17:20] <wxl> but it sounds like they're manually copying over the ppc builds to speed things up a bit
[17:20] <wxl> an email will go out to the lubuntu-qa list when that happens
[17:21] <wxl> you MAY want to play with what you already have and see if that thing you figured out might help you get the ball rolling
[17:21] <wxl> that way if that bug is still around, you'll be prepared for it
[17:22] <wxl> and actually taht's a fairly easy fix
[17:23] <silverarrow> I know where to look for bugs though
[17:23] <silverarrow> wonder if gnash mozilla plugin has been tested
[17:24] <silverarrow> all the regular workarounds for ppc
[17:24] <wxl> confirmed that openchrome has nothing to do with the problems in ppc
[17:24] <wxl> getting Lars (another ppc tester) to check out what you were using
[17:27] <silverarrow> lars? where is he?
[17:27] <silverarrow> I am in norway
[17:27] <wxl> dunno
[17:27] <phillw> good, the faster the progress the sooner we can wait for them to go break something else :P
[17:27] <wxl> probably in the dark alley behind your house
[17:27] <silverarrow> lol
[17:27] <silverarrow> you never know
[17:28] <phillw> Allegedly, there should be no more major breakages. Beta 1 --> Beta 2 is bug fixing time.
[17:28] <silverarrow> with a name like that, I would guess some kind of scandinavian connections
[17:28] <wxl> um
[17:28] <wxl> "connections," yes
[17:28] <wxl> in scandinavia, no
[17:28] <silverarrow> a few americans have that name
[17:29] <wxl> an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Ulrich
[17:29] <silverarrow> yes, germans
[17:29] <wxl> here's another good one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Larson
[17:29] <silverarrow> not common in germany though
[17:29] <silverarrow> very sweedish lol
[17:30] <silverarrow> it`s either danish, swedish or norwegian
[17:31] <wxl> he is in europe according to time zone https://launchpad.net/~larsnooden
[17:31] <silverarrow> but on with the install then
[17:31] <silverarrow> finnland
[17:31] <silverarrow> hmm
[17:32] <phillw> oh, and whilst you're both here. Just to remind you that there is quite a queue of stuff for ppc once the archives are unfrozen ready for the next daily build.
[17:32] <silverarrow> a daily build is something I download and install?
[17:33] <silverarrow> or burn on cd and install?
[17:33] <phillw> silverarrow: yeah, the dailies appear on the iso tracker.
[17:33] <silverarrow> thanks
[17:33] <wxl> it's the same as the beta, silverarrow
[17:33] <phillw> silverarrow: its a lot qwuicker to use zsync for this
[17:33] <wxl> except
[17:33] <wxl> you get a new one every day
[17:33] <wxl> XD
[17:33] <silverarrow> lol
[17:34] <kanliot> if the splash screen is killing my monitor what do i file a bug gainst
[17:34] <phillw> A CD-RW is worth paying for if you play with the dailies.
[17:34] <kanliot> it's the screen saying "an error was encountered checking your disks"
[17:35] <wxl> ↑ told you you want cd-rw!
[17:35] <phillw> kanliot: have a check on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/Install_Bugs
[17:35] <silverarrow> ok ok
[17:36] <wxl> yeah, you know it's getting serious when i whip out the unicode ☻
[17:46] <wxl> silverarrow: you should go confirm bug 1046951
[17:46] <wxl> that's specifically for ppc
[17:46] <silverarrow> thanks
[17:47] <silverarrow> brb, getting cds
[17:47] <wxl> i'd suggest testing video=ofonly and reporting there
[17:47] <wxl> which lars is doing too i think
[17:49] <phillw> wxl: did you get added to the mailing list for all lubuntu type bugs?
[17:49] <wxl> phillw: yeah, so i've been checking on expired packages and all other sorts of things. it's been really useful. thx for the suggestion
[17:49] <wxl> silverarrow: what's your launchpad id out of curiousity?
[17:51] <phillw> it is invaluable for me to have an over view of what is going on. I can also do a search on my gmail account quickly to find a bug that I dimly recall :)
[17:53] <wxl> hahahha yeah no kidding
[17:54] <phillw> balloons: hiyas, how's life treating you?
[17:54] <balloons> phillw, howdy
[17:55] <balloons> I'm working on testcases again today
[17:55] <phillw> hope you don't mind me kidnapping the room for a quick ppc discussion :)
[17:55] <balloons> lol
[17:55] <balloons> ppc is still alive
[17:55] <balloons> as such, talk away
[17:55] <phillw> it is, looks like it is a different bug to that thought.
[17:56] <wxl> where was that number
[17:56] <wxl> bug 1046951
[17:56] <phillw> wxl: which one?
[17:57] <wxl> ↑ aka the "ppc's problem ain't openchrome" bug
[17:58] <wxl> 😂
[18:31] <silverarrow> back, I could not get the CD-rw type until tomorrow
[18:32] <wxl> no rush
[18:32] <wxl> as i said, it will take a while for beta1 to get released and then the proper dailies to come out
[18:32] <silverarrow> I still got a bunch of regular CD-r
[18:32] <wxl> i'd wait
[18:32] <wxl> instead what i'd suggest is to see if you can get the cd you have already burned working
[18:32] <wxl> with video=ofonly
[18:33] <wxl> report to that bug that i mentioned above
[18:33] <wxl> and then if it does work, see if you can get the install going
[18:33] <wxl> and then file more bugs for anything else you find
[18:33] <wxl> and come back and see if we can work through those
[18:33] <silverarrow> I am just home again, and are on the ibook now
[18:33] <wxl> etc etc etc ♻
[18:34] <silverarrow> that is me on the windows computer
[18:34] <wxl> ew
[18:34] <wxl> i mean,
[18:34] <wxl> no, i mean ew
[18:34] <silverarrow> lol
[18:35] <silverarrow> video=ofonly
[18:35] <wxl> 😨
[18:35] <silverarrow> I am writing just ot have to have it on the other screen
[18:36] <silverarrow> and bug bug 1046951
[18:36] <wxl> yp
[18:36] <silverarrow> ok for live cd,
[18:39] <silverarrow> I cannot identify ?
[18:39] <wxl> what do you mean?
[18:39] <silverarrow>    / msg nickserv identifly password?
[18:40] <silverarrow> never mind,
[18:40] <silverarrow> I get asked to identify all the time
[18:40] <silverarrow> fly lol
[18:40] <wxl> well if you're registered you should be able to identify :)
[18:41] <silverarrow> there
[18:41] <wxl> but that's a #freenode question not a #lubuntu or #ubuntu-testing question!
[18:41] <silverarrow> sorry
[18:41] <wxl> np
[18:43] <silverarrow> live video=ofonly
[18:43] <silverarrow> offonly?
[18:43] <wxl> of
[18:43] <silverarrow> indvalid device
[18:43] <silverarrow> unable to open file
[18:44] <silverarrow> I might have to ask on the forum about that
[18:44] <silverarrow> quadruple checked spelling
[18:45] <silverarrow> ??
[18:45] <wxl> i'm sure the spelling is right
[18:45] <wxl> it might be something else
[18:45] <wxl> one sec
[18:49] <silverarrow> no working
[18:49] <silverarrow> I must have fiddled with something
[18:49] <wxl> PATIENCE
[18:49] <wxl> :)
[18:49] <silverarrow> now*
[18:49] <silverarrow> strange lubuntu wait screen
[18:50] <silverarrow> a bit psychedelic
[18:50] <silverarrow> lsd influenced logo
[18:50] <wxl> hm
[18:50] <wxl> the problem may be the "live" part
[18:50] <wxl> that may not be what the image is called
[18:50] <wxl> i don't remember teh command to see all the images
[18:50] <wxl> i think it may be just hitting tab
[18:50] <silverarrow> however, easily readable
[18:51] <wxl> when you get to the boot prompt it should either give you instructions
[18:51] <wxl> or try ?
[18:51] <wxl> or help
[18:51] <wxl> and find the command to list images
[18:51] <wxl> find all the images
[18:51] <wxl> pick an appropriate one
[18:51] <silverarrow> I am as far as loading cd, the lubuntu .... logo
[18:51] <wxl> and enter "image video=ofonly"
[18:51] <wxl> where image is the name of the image
[18:51]  * silverarrow noting down on postit
[18:51] <silverarrow> noteing
[18:52] <wxl> why it is ofonly and not offonly: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org/msg28420.html
[18:53] <wxl> keep reading those threads and you may find other video configs to try
[18:53] <silverarrow> boot up image is much the same
[18:54] <silverarrow> like stripes across the desktop image
[18:54] <silverarrow> actually a bit better
[18:54] <silverarrow> installer works!!
[18:55] <silverarrow> wxl, full install or live stuff first?
[18:56] <silverarrow> i would prefer install right away
[18:57] <wxl> do it!
[18:58] <phillw> silverarrow: you missed wxl he said do the install!
[18:58] <silverarrow> thanks
[19:00] <silverarrow> use LVM with new install?
[19:01] <phillw> silverarrow: if you wish
[19:04] <silverarrow> is it all right to install alongside 12.04 to be able to choose between 12.04 and 12.10?
[19:05] <silverarrow> it would feel safe
[19:05] <silverarrow> if there is an advantage to deleteing 12.04 I can
[19:05] <phillw> if the installer offers side by side you should be ok. There is a gremlin using luks and lvm that has been mentioned. Jusy pay attention to what the installer says.
[19:06] <silverarrow> ok
[19:06] <silverarrow> a gremlin
[19:06]  * silverarrow was hoping to encounter a mogwai
[19:07] <phillw> lol, it's not a fully fledged bug, just something that happens which is thought could be better warned about.
[19:13] <wxl> just dont' get it wet
[19:17] <silverarrow> installer freezes on me
[19:17] <wxl> file a bug
[19:17] <wxl> against ubuity
[19:17] <wxl> err
[19:17] <wxl> ubuiquity
[19:17] <wxl> ubiquity
[19:17] <wxl> sheesh
[19:17] <silverarrow> i have reboot live cd three times and it freezes
[19:18] <silverarrow> i filed a bug last night, could I just keep posting in thesame section?
[19:18] <wxl> no
[19:20] <silverarrow> ok new bug
[19:20] <wxl> no
[19:20] <wxl> not unless it's different
[19:24] <silverarrow> how do you mean wxl?
[19:24] <wxl> if it's the same bug as you reported, no need to report it again
[19:24] <wxl> and if it's not a different bug, no reason to report a new bug
[19:24] <silverarrow> I mean, live video=ofonly makes insaller windows appear
[19:25] <silverarrow> then as I thought, just adding to the same bug
[19:26] <wxl> well if you couldn't get installer windows before, then i would report there that video=ofonly fixes it
[19:26] <wxl> and change the package to yaboot, really
[19:26] <wxl> and then report a new bug for the ubiquity crash
[19:28] <balloons> phillw, ping
[19:29] <phillw> balloons: pong
[19:29] <balloons> do you remember the checkbox testcases?
[19:29] <balloons> from the manual application testing last cycle?
[19:30] <phillw> balloons: I recall looking at them, but did not much woork with them.
[19:31] <balloons> ahh.
[19:33] <silverarrow> I hope launchpad reports are read and checked now and then thoguh
[19:33] <phillw> silverarrow: which bug number is it now under?
[19:33] <wxl> they are, silverarrow, but pointing them out doesn't hurt.
[19:34] <silverarrow> #1046619
[19:34] <phillw> bug 1046619
[19:35] <silverarrow> the issue might be more easily identified if I keep posting in one area
[19:35] <silverarrow> it does feel like the same thing really
[19:36] <silverarrow> I just sorted out the additional live video=ofonly issue
[19:37] <phillw> as the latest x does not solve the issue, it does point to a different issue.
[19:37] <silverarrow> separate issues, but I filed it as ubiquiti in the first place
[19:37] <silverarrow> phillw: you suggest filing a new bug+
[19:37] <wxl> i personally think video=ofonly should be a default for ppc
[19:38] <phillw> silverarrow: no, that bug looks to be correct
[19:38] <wxl> it should ALWAYS work
[19:38] <wxl> whereas the alternative does not
[19:38] <wxl> the con: less support of all of the features of hardware
[19:38] <wxl> but we can have release notes or edit the wiki to help people
[19:39] <silverarrow> it works with the live video=ofonly, as long as it is pointed out, easily done when you are aware
[19:40] <wxl> tho if it was default then people who don't knwo wouldn't get confused
[19:40] <phillw> wxl: silverarrow you guys can have a double check with Lars and then ask gilir to alter the seed file for it.
[19:41] <silverarrow> I actually read it upon first boot, but didn't think much more of it, when cd booted further by its' self
[19:41] <wxl> seed file?
[19:41] <wxl> exactly the problem, silverarrow
[19:41] <wxl> i think there are those that wouldn't even read that
[19:41] <phillw> wxl: the list of files a nd instructions that make an iso
[19:41] <silverarrow> where is lars and gilir then?
[19:42] <phillw> silverarrow: catch them both via the lubuntu-qa mailing list.
[19:42] <wxl> silverarrow: go to bug 1046951 and confirm it, report that video=ofonly fixes it, change to yaboot package and we'll go from there
[19:43] <wxl> go from there = post to lubuntu-qa while cc'ing gilir and larsnooden (look them up on launchpad and you can find their emails)
[19:44] <silverarrow> you are talking above my head
[19:44] <silverarrow> changing to yaboot package?
[19:44] <silverarrow> that is the video off mode thing?
[19:44] <wxl> ok let's start with step one
[19:44] <wxl> 1. confirm that it affects you
[19:45] <wxl> 2. leave a reply saying that video=ofonly fixes the problem
[19:45] <silverarrow> thanks for the patience
[19:47] <wxl> phillw: how do i change the affected package to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaboot?
[19:47] <wxl> furthermore, does that make sense? maybe it is true that the problem lies in an Xorg.conf (or whatever) that is inappropriate for ppc?
[19:48] <phillw> I can yaboot to it.
[19:48] <phillw> *can add*
[19:48] <silverarrow> oh, I do get a desktop environment thoguh
[19:48] <wxl> phillw: but do you get what i mean? like maybe that's a "band aid" not a fix?
[19:49] <silverarrow> wxl, lars reports a more sever outcome of the same issue I suppose?
[19:51] <phillw> wxl: as video=ofonly sorts out the initial X problem and the updated X has no affect, I'm minded to leave it as yaboot. It can always be reverted back to X if warranted.
[19:51] <silverarrow> wxl, lars seems to use the alpha something, I am in beta
[19:51] <silverarrow> I see
[19:51] <silverarrow> X is what?
[19:52] <phillw> silverarrow: the release on 4th Sept was still an alpha
[19:52] <silverarrow> unknows problem?
[19:52] <wxl> phillw: i like it. i'd also like to know how to change packages for future reference. when i did the search it only came up with yaboot-installer
[19:52] <wxl> X = the "desktop"
[19:52] <wxl> kind of
[19:52] <wxl> the graphics overall
[19:52] <silverarrow> i see
[19:52] <wxl> silverarrow: here's lars' experience https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/1041625/comments/34
[19:52] <phillw> if you click the arrow next to package you will get a search window up. Type in yaboot gave me 3 options.
[19:53] <phillw> the new open chrome did not solve it.
[19:53] <wxl> yeah because openchrome isn't even valid for any apple product afaik
[19:53] <wxl> wrong hipsets
[19:53] <wxl> hahah hipsets
[19:54] <wxl> those are from nyc
[19:54] <wxl> i meant chipsets
[19:54] <phillw> I knew what you meant :P
[19:56] <wxl> among other problems i see in lars' log:
[19:56] <wxl> [    72.053] (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
[19:58] <wxl> phillw: how can i get a total package list of a particular iso? like versions and everything. possible?
[19:59] <phillw> erm, they are there... Let me see if I can find the link.
[19:59] <wxl> doesn't seem that there's a current fglrx for ppc
[19:59] <wxl> so therein may lie the problem
[20:04] <phillw> wxl: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/lubuntu.quantal/
[20:04] <phillw> but that area is well out of my knowledge. catch gilir for a better discussion on such things.
[20:06] <silverarrow> wxl, I posted my experience on the issue
[20:08] <silverarrow> are you familiar with alternate CDs? do i get the black  terminal only?
[20:08] <silverarrow> it can be a nightmare to maneuvuer sometimes
[20:08] <silverarrow> some times easier though
[20:13] <wxl> thx phillw i grok it
[20:13] <wxl> silverarrow: it has been asked on your bug for a X.org.0.log
[20:14] <silverarrow> oh already?
[20:15] <phillw> silverarrow: bugs that bork an install do tend to get moved up the queue of things to be sorted @)
[20:15] <phillw> :)
[20:15] <wxl> yep and i just left a comment
[20:16] <wxl> unfortunately there's no easy way to include the log by command line
[20:17] <wxl> especially now that the package has changed to yaboot
[20:19] <wxl> silverarrow: when you DON'T use video=ofonly can you still use the browseR?
[20:19] <silverarrow> let me reboot
[20:19] <wxl> if not, i'd suggest filing the bug in a text browser like w3m or elinks or lynx
[20:19] <wxl> um
[20:19] <wxl> not filing the bug
[20:19] <wxl> filing the log
[20:20] <silverarrow> oh....no
[20:20] <wxl> ?
[20:20] <silverarrow> I am not web connected on the ibook
[20:20] <silverarrow> major typing
[20:20] <wxl> that's sucky
[20:20] <wxl> so what i'd do is get out a usb key or something
[20:20] <silverarrow> maybe copy and send to usb storage
[20:21] <silverarrow> yeah, I have a usb connected satadrive
[20:21] <silverarrow> almost new
[20:22] <wxl> but make sure you're in the non-ofonly boot
[20:22] <silverarrow> it boots
[20:22] <wxl> get to terminal
[20:23] <wxl> your Xorg.0.log is in /var/log
[20:23] <wxl> (in case you didnt' know that)
[20:23] <silverarrow> i didn't
[20:23] <wxl> that's where all your log files should be
[20:23] <wxl> or at least symlinked to
[20:24] <silverarrow> launching browser from termnal?
[20:25] <wxl> wellll
[20:25] <wxl> don't worry about that
[20:25] <wxl> not web connected, remember?
[20:25] <wxl> just copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log to your usb
[20:25] <silverarrow> fontconfic warnins
[20:26] <silverarrow> but firefox launches
[20:26] <silverarrow> and I get the regular "cannot find server at..."
[20:26] <wxl> silverarrow: are you connected to the web?
[20:26] <silverarrow> no
[20:26] <wxl> then why the hell are you bothering with the web browser? XD
[20:27] <silverarrow> well, at least it launched with graphis withing frames
[20:27] <silverarrow> which is more than installer does
[20:27] <wxl> and you didn't use video=ofonly?
[20:27] <silverarrow> no
[20:27] <wxl> hm
[20:27] <wxl> curious
[20:27] <silverarrow> just auto boot up
[20:27] <wxl> hate not repeatable bugs
[20:27] <wxl> anyways
[20:28] <wxl> try rebooting until you get the original problem
[20:28] <silverarrow> everything is more coarse pixelled
[20:29] <silverarrow> abi word lunches a bit weird
[20:29] <silverarrow> see through window
[20:29] <wxl> ok
[20:29] <wxl> so there are problem
[20:29] <wxl> s
[20:29] <wxl> good
[20:29] <wxl> now:
[20:29] <wxl> 1. insert usb key
[20:29] <wxl> 2. load up pcmanfm
[20:30] <wxl> 3. navigate to /var/log
[20:30] <wxl> 4. open up another pcmanfm
[20:30] <wxl> 5. navigate to your usb key
[20:30] <silverarrow> I cannot open usb disk
[20:30] <wxl> 6. drag /var/log/Xorg.0.log to your usb key
[20:30] <silverarrow> which I can it 12.04
[20:30] <wxl> why not?
[20:30] <wxl> what error?
[20:31] <silverarrow> or maybe I can, but with error warning
[20:31] <silverarrow> pcmanfm is a terminal thing?
[20:31] <wxl> no
[20:31] <wxl> it's your file manager
[20:31] <wxl> you could do this in terminal but my guess is you're not very terminal friendly XD
[20:31] <silverarrow> lol sorry
[20:32] <silverarrow> well, terminal takes a lot of thinking and more time
[20:32] <silverarrow> oh yes, it acaully says pcmanfm in quantal
[20:33] <silverarrow> it is open now
[20:33] <silverarrow> for the log?
[20:33] <wxl> can you get to your usb key?
[20:33] <silverarrow> yes
[20:33] <silverarrow> but there are some error messages
[20:34] <silverarrow> but seem to work at least
[20:34] <wxl> ok so if you follow my instructions, just drag from one window to the other
[20:34] <silverarrow> yes, fairly regular procedure
[20:35] <wxl> or (to prove how long it takes in terminal) you could do something like "cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log /media/USB"
[20:35]  * wxl notes that's sarcasm
[20:36] <silverarrow> ...fixes keyboard...
[20:38] <silverarrow>    /media USB is not a directory
[20:38] <silverarrow> !"#¤¤%
[20:38] <wxl> oh don't take me literally
[20:38] <wxl> i was offering an example
[20:38] <wxl> nevermind! just drag and drop! :)
[20:39] <silverarrow> just a reminder, what am I actually doing ?
[20:39] <wxl> or copy and paste from http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2203/index.htm
[20:39] <wxl> oops wrong channel sorry
[20:39] <wxl> you're copying Xorg.0.log to your usb
[20:40] <wxl> so you can hook it up to whatever computer is connected to the web
[20:40] <silverarrow> oh, yes, how to get to teh xorg log?
[20:40] <wxl> so that you can post it to the bug report
[20:40] <wxl> it's in /var/log
[20:40] <silverarrow> terminal or file manager?
[20:41] <wxl> you can get to it either way
[20:41] <wxl> whatever you feel more comfortable with
[20:42] <silverarrow> yes I have var log with loads of folders
[20:42] <silverarrow> or /var/log
[20:43] <wxl> is root directory and inside it is var/ directory and inside it is log/ directory and inside it is Xorg.0.log file
[20:43] <wxl> oops
[20:43] <wxl>  / is root directory and inside it is var/ directory and inside it is log/ directory and inside it is Xorg.0.log file
[20:45] <silverarrow> drag and drop resists
[20:45] <silverarrow> permission denied
[20:46] <wxl> that's interesting
[20:46] <wxl> in yoru pcmanfm window for your usb key what's it say in the address bar?
[20:46] <silverarrow> annoying
[20:46] <silverarrow> media/lubuntu/new volume
[20:47] <silverarrow> it is a usb connected sata drive
[20:47] <silverarrow> 320 gb or something
[20:47] <wxl> so go to terminal and do:
[20:47] <silverarrow> I can't close windows, tehy are sort of empty
[20:47] <wxl> are you sure that's what ti is?
[20:47] <silverarrow> or seethrough
[20:48] <wxl> and not Lubuntu
[20:48] <wxl> or New Volume
[20:48] <wxl> or New_Volume
[20:48] <wxl> ?
[20:48] <wxl> you need to know what it is EXACTLY
[20:50] <silverarrow> error opening /media/lubuntu new volume
[20:50] <silverarrow> permission denied
[20:50] <wxl> then there's your problem for some reason
[20:50] <wxl> you need to get that thing web connected and it will solve this whole silliness
[20:50] <wxl> just plug the ethernet in
[20:52] <silverarrow> ok burn cd?
[20:52] <silverarrow> no, I cannot eject live cd
[20:53] <wxl> nope gets kind of locked in there
[20:53] <wxl> remember you're running the whole system off that cd
[20:53] <wxl> it can only keep so much of it in memory so it constantly has to re-read
[20:54] <wxl> removing the cd would be analogous to removing your hard drive on an installed system
[20:54] <phillw> can you do    ls /media
[20:55] <silverarrow> it is a nightmare to type that out
[20:55] <phillw> ls /media
[20:56] <silverarrow> cdrom lubuntu
[20:56] <wxl> hahahhaah
[20:56] <phillw> in the entries, do you see something that starts lbuntu
[20:56] <phillw> ls /media/lubuntu
[20:58] <phillw> do you see various files?
[21:00] <silverarrow> found a usb flash
[21:01] <silverarrow> worked
[21:01] <phillw> :D
[21:01] <silverarrow> apparently usb connected disk drives don't work?
[21:02] <phillw> silverarrow: I don't have a problem, but I'm not using a ppc.
[21:03] <silverarrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1189685/
[21:04] <silverarrow> is this worth posting?
[21:04] <wxl> yes
[21:04] <phillw> silverarrow: that's the file being awaited on :)
[21:06] <wxl> ok i'm taking a break, afk
[21:06] <phillw> okies wxl I'm kicking about now.
[21:11] <silverarrow> i hope I pasted it where they wanted it
[21:12] <silverarrow> when will I get as far as installing ?
[21:22] <phillw> as soon as we get the bug squished
[21:23] <phillw> silverarrow: if you are desperate to get an 12.10 in, you can grab the Alpha 3 Milestone via http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/226/builds
[21:24] <phillw> But to help with sorting out the issue that prevented a beta 1, I do ask that you still keep close eye on the tracker and your bug report.
[21:25] <silverarrow> I will, and I am not desperate
[21:25] <phillw> silverarrow: we hate to lose a milestone release. I assure you that work is being carried out to squish the bugs.
[21:26] <silverarrow> I see
[21:27] <silverarrow> I would make an effort to check out issues
[21:27] <silverarrow> and install beta when it is adviceable
[21:27] <silverarrow> or helpful
[21:30] <silverarrow> daily is not found
[21:31] <silverarrow> not found on this server
[21:31] <silverarrow> maybe down for update?
[21:32] <silverarrow> is it my fault that xubutu no longer have ppc version?
[21:32] <silverarrow> i  have talked way to much about lubuntu and ppc
[21:32] <silverarrow> not even testing xubuntu
[21:33] <silverarrow> however, I like the lubuntu setup
[21:34] <phillw> silverarrow: the dailies are not yet fully re-installed. I made a request that the latest QA-Beta1 be manually covered over, as the others are a few days old.
[21:35] <silverarrow> oooh, inside info
[21:36] <phillw> silverarrow: not really, we tried our darn best to get at least one of the ppc lubuntu out, we ran out of time... But, that is a part of testing.
[21:36] <silverarrow> I am earger to test gecko and mplayer, and that kind of stuff though lol
[21:37] <phillw> We have until the end of the month to sort them both out before Beta 2 lands
[21:37] <silverarrow> so some intense work ahead
[21:38] <phillw> silverarrow: it is a roller coaster ride, but extremely rewarding.
[21:38] <silverarrow> i will make an effort too, and spend time and energy on the testing
[21:39] <silverarrow> as soon as someone has fixed installer I will go ahead
[21:41] <phillw> silverarrow: we are still, during the madness, updating the wiki area. Do keep popping on and keep upto date with what is added. Never fear pinging me or balloons if you have a query about information on the Wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/
[23:26] <silverarrow> hi smartboyhw
[23:27] <smartboyhw> Good morning
[23:27] <silverarrow> and good morning to you
[23:28] <silverarrow> ;-)
[23:32] <smartboyhw> Good morning phillw
[23:32] <phillw> hi smartboyhw
[23:33] <phillw> balloons: are you still about?
[23:33] <smartboyhw> HA, i still saw the Lubuntu upgrade testcases not carried out LOL
[23:33] <phillw> smartboyhw: there is little point until the Beta 2?
[23:34] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA, well you are the only one:(
[23:34] <phillw> Same as Wubi is not worth really testing until betas.
[23:34] <smartboyhw> phillw: Wubi IS tested as I saw it now
[23:34] <phillw> smartboyhw: it's only Beta 1.
[23:34] <phillw> smartboyhw: I know, i have tested it in the past for them.
[23:34] <smartboyhw> :)
[23:35] <smartboyhw> Only Beta 1.....Hmm
[23:36] <phillw> smartboyhw: yes, from now on it gets serious
[23:36] <smartboyhw> Oh is it starting? I thought it is ALWAYS serious:)
[23:39] <phillw> smartboyhw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/TheStages
[23:40] <phillw> It has been copied over the main QA site, just that is my most frequently used link.
[23:40] <smartboyhw> Oh alright
[23:41] <smartboyhw> Sadly the Ubuntu Studio images are always marked ready too early for others to test...
[23:41] <phillw> smartboyhw: the bug team were kind enough to overview and edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs
[23:42] <phillw> We are still doing a lot of 'behind the scenes' work.
[23:42] <smartboyhw> I have to add the cadence section back:)
[23:42] <smartboyhw> Anyway, going now to school!
[23:42] <phillw> have a good day!
[23:48] <silverarrow> so what testcases are in stall for lubuntu?@