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AlanBellit is too early05:08
pinky-or late05:08
pinky-depends on your view05:08
AlanBellmy view is from a train near Woking05:09
diploMorning all06:59
AlanBellmorning07:02
diploStill doing the games AlanBell ?07:03
AlanBellyeah, fencing today07:03
diplo:)07:04
diplo#Enjoying it ?07:04
AlanBellwheelchairs + swords is a good combination07:05
diploheh07:05
MartijnVdSweren't those called chariots?07:13
dwatkinsgood morning;07:15
pinky-full commitment and no breaks!07:15
MartijnVdSor brakes07:16
pinky-oh yeah. too early07:16
* MartijnVdS is done with the SVG + Javascript network monitor07:38
MartijnVdSit shows where the devices are on a map downloaded from OSM, and makes them red if they're unreachable :)07:39
JamesTaitGood morning all! :D08:05
MartijnVdS\o08:06
bigcalm_laptopGood morning peeps :)08:13
pinky-Top of the Morn!08:15
pinky-everybody got coffee?08:16
diplotea!08:16
diplo:)08:16
diplo2nd or 3rd cup already :)08:16
davmor2Morning all08:17
davmor2bigcalm_laptop: lo you muppet08:18
pinky-wow on the news they just said Hamilton is leaving Mclaren and moving to Mercedes next season08:20
pinky-not exactly ubuntu but I had to mention it08:21
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pinky-McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton to 'replace Michael Schumacher' at Mercedes => damn they must of offered him a lot of money seeing he is McLarens leading driver08:28
MartijnVdSpinky-: nah, Button is much better :)08:28
pinky-damn I'm in shock, hence I spoke08:28
diplopinky-: Not been comfirmed though as of uyesterday08:28
diplohas it been updated ? It was just rumour mill yesterday08:28
pinky-http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/mclaren-driver-lewis-hamilton-to-replace-michael-schumacher-at-mercedes-16207459.html08:28
pinky-posted 12 mins ago08:29
diplois set to end his association with McLaren and move to Mercedes, it was claimed by former team boss Eddie Jordan today.08:31
diploRead more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/mclaren-driver-lewis-hamilton-to-replace-michael-schumacher-at-mercedes-16207459.html#ixzz25g0VSyPS08:31
diplobah08:31
diplonah still the same 'claimed' by Eddie Jordan08:31
pinky-Nor is there official word that Schumacher will retire, although F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone hinted as much live on air last Sunday. <= but he did say it, I watched it live08:32
pinky-I guess it's all true08:32
pinky-oh well new news to me so hence shock factor08:33
pinky-oh yeah I see now, it's the same story from yesterdays edition of The Daily Mail08:41
pinky-seems I'm slow08:41
pinky-more coffee needed!08:41
pinky-more tea vicar?08:44
GoshawkIs there anyway of converting a .doc file to a .docx file?08:53
MartijnVdSMS WOrd08:54
Goshawkwithout using MS Word?08:55
JohnRobertword up09:05
MartijnVdSUpload to Google Docs, "Download as docx"?09:05
MartijnVdSOr the same, but LibreOffice09:05
JohnRobertlol my gf got mad at me the other day because I hadn't installed word on my laptop09:05
JohnRobertbecause libreoffice wasn't rendering some cruddy word doc right09:06
MartijnVdSthis is why I switched to GDocs09:06
MartijnVdSEveryone sees the same document!09:06
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:07
MartijnVdS\o brobostigonman09:07
brobostigono/ MartijnVdS09:07
JohnRobertit didn't render in gdocs properly either09:09
JohnRobertI said it was rediculous that they emailed a registration form in word doc format09:09
MartijnVdSOoh, external source09:10
JohnRobertturns out 'normal' people think word comes with windows or something09:10
MartijnVdSsometimes it does.. or Wordpad, or MS Works09:10
MartijnVdShowever, modern versions of Word know how to make PDF!09:10
JohnRobertyeah, well that's the problem, she had office starter on her laptop09:12
JohnRobertnot sure how that's not antitrust etc..09:12
JohnRobertstill not quite sure how ms managed to get away with bundling IE09:12
JohnRobertsure they were fined, but it's still there X years later..09:13
diploBecause of the browser choice icon on the desktop that is there from fresh install09:15
JohnRobertheh09:17
JohnRobertI don't recall seeing that on my win7 laptop09:17
JohnRobertmaybe I just don't remember09:17
pinky-I had the browser choice icon on my freash win 7 install and I only clicked for firefox.. but when I look at my machine I have both 32bit and 64bit version of IE installed09:19
MartijnVdSyou can still install Chrome or Firefox and make it the default09:20
MartijnVdSand remove the IE icons09:20
pinky-yeah I have09:20
pinky-I'm sick and tired of Apples Bonjour.exe keeps reapearing on my windows box even though I have removed it umteen times09:22
JohnRobertheh09:23
JohnRobertitunes09:23
pinky-no09:23
JohnRobertI've been listening to the steve jobs biography book09:23
JohnRobertturns out he was a right jerk09:23
pinky-maybe quicktime09:23
JohnRobertclever, but horrible09:23
JohnRobertmost of the time09:23
MartijnVdSpinky-: it's part of the "service discovery" stuff, network things09:23
MartijnVdSUbuntu speaks the protocol too!09:23
pinky-I just hate Apple with a passion and don't want it on my machine:)09:29
MartijnVdSdon't install quicktime then09:35
pinky-true09:36
pinky-made me go look..09:37
pinky-and I cannot remember why it was first installed.. you've made me ponder09:37
pinky-I'm a space cadet that never sleeps.. it doesn't help09:39
MartijnVdSPARANOIA09:39
JohnRobertit'll destroya09:40
* popey tickles JohnRobert 09:42
diplopinky-: Media Player Classic used to do quicktime from memory, so could use that instead of quicktime09:52
pinky-yeah on windows i always install k-lite codecs and use Media Player Classic as default09:53
JohnRobertwho has .qt files any more?09:53
diploNope, but to play stuff on trailers.apple it needs it i think09:53
pinky-i have a dvb-s2 saterlite card and I'm wondering if it was for the original software??09:53
pinky-I just can't think09:54
* MartijnVdS uses szap-s2 for the DVB-S2 card :)09:54
MartijnVdS\o/ Ubuntu09:54
pinky-anyways Quicktime is gone**09:55
* diplo uses xbmc on ubuntu and a addon that does trailers.apple and don't have the faintest idea how it plays and don't care :)09:55
MartijnVdSdiplo: pixie dust09:56
MartijnVdSdiplo: from captive pixies09:56
diplo:p09:59
JohnRobertwonder if I can find my pgp cert10:07
pinky-and satellite* yeah (slight typo) and it gave me an itch I just had to scratch10:09
pinky-don't you just hate it when pixie dust gets in all the hard to reach places10:31
pinky-back crack n sack10:32
JohnRobert:/10:32
dwatkinsI wish the pixies in my television worked harder, it takes ages to boot it up.10:57
mgdmthe idea of a TV or a car 'booting up' still makes me go o_O10:58
MartijnVdSis that your rage face?11:00
mgdmNo, conventionally it means something like 'errr'11:00
dwatkinsmgdm: I agree, it takes about a minute, I grew up having to wait only about 10 seconds for the CRT to warm up.11:00
dwatkinso.O is how I demonstrate that I'm raising an eyebrow11:00
gordmy tv has a "fast boot" option. as far as i can tell, it just disables some stupid animation at the start11:01
gordwhy have the animation?!11:02
dwatkinshaha11:02
MartijnVdSMine is actually quite fast11:02
MartijnVdSfaster than my old one anyway11:02
dwatkinsMine (Sony Bravia) has various apps, including lovefilm and some DLNC thing, so I can appreciate it might take a moment to completely initialise.11:02
MartijnVdS5-10 seconds and I get "Access denied", then 3 more seconds for the CI module to boot and start decrypting DVB data11:02
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ11:02
dwatkinsThat reminds me, I should find out how many watts mine draws.11:03
MartijnVdSdwatkins: That part boots in the background on mine.. if I use the "smart" stuff immediately it tells me to wait11:03
MartijnVdSbut if I watch TV for a few minutes, and THEN do the "Smart TV" bits, it's fast11:03
dwatkinsyep11:04
dwatkinsMy first computer booted up in the time it took for it to go beee-beep! (BBC Micro) ;)11:04
MartijnVdSI still remember all the boot sounds our XT made11:05
MartijnVdSand its printer11:05
MartijnVdSand its floppy drives11:05
MartijnVdSand I could hear which program from config.sys/autoexec.bat was loading by the sound the hard disk made11:05
dwatkinsApparently you can tell what speed a modem is handshaking at from the sound it makes.11:05
MartijnVdSyou can11:06
dwatkinsNot a skill I ever mastered, perhaps I get out too much ;)11:08
pinky-which reminds me of old titles like the phreakers handbook and jolly rogers cookbook11:10
mgdmcan anyone whistle precisely 2600Hz? :-)11:18
bigcalm_laptopI miss the jolly roger's cook book11:18
pinky-to become the operator?11:18
pinky-2600Hz?11:19
mgdmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking#2600_hertz11:20
mgdmit's not the one I was thining off, actually11:20
bigcalm_laptopThere was a whistle in a cereal box that did the tone11:20
mgdmOh, wait, no, it is :-)11:20
mgdmbigcalm_laptop: yeah, Captain Crunch :)11:20
mgdmsee also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600_Hz11:21
pinky-yup11:21
bigcalm_laptop:)11:22
pinky-I had an Amiga for about 14 years, went through all the versions one by one.. was an awesome system11:26
pinky-I used to love my Amiga11:26
pinky-bbs's and modem.. ahh that was the day;)11:27
pinky-the good old days11:27
MartijnVdSGood.. time to go clean the car11:29
MartijnVdSGood thing it's so tiny :)11:29
pinky-DirOpus was small too yet very powerful11:31
pinky-anyone remember?11:31
MartijnVdSmine's a Smart11:31
pinky-I've spent lots of time on eFnet and a newbie on freenode and I was just looking t he channel bans list and I noticed the top entry is $a:PerfM and I just wonder what t means?12:04
pinky-it*12:04
MartijnVdSit's probably some special command for the irc server12:06
MartijnVdS"the person authenticated as PerfM"?12:06
MartijnVdS"Anyone NOT authenticated, but named PerfM"?12:07
MartijnVdSsomething like that12:07
MartijnVdSchristel will know12:07
pinky-ah ok thanks, was new to me12:07
pinky-there's no Chanserv, Nickserv or Memoserv on Efnet, everybody runs eggdrop12:14
christelpretty much what MartijnVdS said, the account "PerfM" is banned for whatever reason12:15
pinky-ok thanks12:15
pinky-it had me puzzled12:16
pinky-this is just trivial chat but 2 things that I notice very different on here compared to Efnet is when you /whois somebody here is you cannot see the other channels they are idle in, only the shared channel, and lots of people here list thier real names. Efnet you get to see other channels and no-body gives real name.13:00
pinky-all a bit strange to me atm13:00
The_Fredhello13:05
JohnRoberthi13:06
czajkowskiLaney: christel AlanBell are you all still coming on Saturday to a UGJ if there is one happening in London13:27
LaneyI cannot find a reasonably priced way to get to london13:28
czajkowskiok13:28
Laneyany ideas?13:28
davmor2Laney by foot it's free?13:28
LaneyI don't think I'd stay for Saturday even if I did come though13:29
czajkowskibike :)13:29
Laneydavmor2: yeah, the taxpayer would foot the bill for the replacement feet :-)13:29
* Laney checks natex / megabus13:30
Laney50 quid on the train with railcard seems unresonable to me13:30
christelczajkowski: yes maam! i suspect alarmbell would too as iirc he said yesterday that he didnt have any plans for the weekend (presumably kept it free for jamming!)13:33
czajkowskichristel: ok13:33
christel(though that might have changed since so it might be wise to double check, i just tend to talk on everyones behalf because it is fun!)13:33
czajkowskichristel: can you reply to the mail I sent around that makes 4 then plus me = 513:33
czajkowskiso I'll come in for sure13:33
czajkowskijust dont want to go in if there are only going to be no shows13:34
christelooh 2sex13:34
Laney38.20 for a coach leaving at 05:4013:34
* Laney …13:34
gordright clicking pages in firefox and going to inspect element -> 3d view is my new favourite thing to do13:37
czajkowskigord: I worry about you at times13:37
gordbut its so cool13:37
gordif someone asks me to do something, i can set it up to 3d view then say "this is unix, i know this!"13:38
JohnRobertloool13:41
JohnRobertis it like jurrasic park?!13:41
JohnRobert:p13:41
MartijnVdSJurassic park AGAIN? :)13:43
JohnRobertlol it's awesome13:43
JohnRobertheh13:43
JohnRobertnever knew that existed13:43
* MartijnVdS built a "Jurassic Park" view (the "fences" one) of a network yesterday :)13:43
MartijnVdSprojected on a map13:43
MartijnVdSand the network devices go red when they're down13:43
JohnRobertlolll13:44
JohnRoberttoo much free time13:44
MartijnVdSno!13:44
MartijnVdSIt's for a large camping in a forest with a wifi net13:44
MartijnVdSWhen they get complaints, they want to see if anything is wrong with the network in that area :)13:45
gordi wonder if i could put a small radio source on my cat and make a jurassic park map that tracks her.... then buy a dinosaur costume for a cat13:51
MartijnVdSgord: and a car ride with celeb voice-overs?13:53
biomorphHi everybody....14:21
biomorphI have a problem with the libreoffice PPA repository for Lucid.  It is trying to upgrade libexttextcat-data, but that breaks libexttextcat014:23
biomorphAnybody else seen this - got a fix?14:23
* bigcalm flops14:31
davmor2bigcalm: you got home okay then :)14:33
bigcalmWhere am I?14:35
davmor2oh dear14:36
bigcalmMore traffic than I had expected14:37
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czajkowskiAlanBell: ping15:12
czajkowskichristel: what time do ye get to London on Saturday at ?15:12
christelwhat time does it start? :)15:13
MartijnVdSinsane o'clock15:15
pinky-meds time15:16
czajkowskichristel: I dunno15:16
czajkowskiworking that bit out now15:16
czajkowski10/10:3015:16
davmor2czajkowski: that might be a better place to start then :D15:17
AzelphurFound this last night and thought it was amusing, UK police are really proactive http://www.splicd.com/c_ZBlMM7qlI/2410/2420 :D15:17
pinky-lol, short but sweet15:18
Azelphurhehe15:18
Azelphurstep 1) get tuned up high subaru, step 2) park it up and wait for the criminals to come past15:18
MartijnVdSAzelphur: sounds like a plan only a real policeman could come up with :)15:19
Azelphurindeed :p15:19
stilofromfrHi guys I need help converting an .xcf animation made with gimp to edit it as a video introduction ( so i need it in avi)Help pls ) Regards15:19
AzelphurI like how they make it all dramatic too, "has a tactic for intercepting criminals" -> park up and wait15:20
AzelphurxD15:20
Azelphurstilofromfr: not sure about the GIMP side of it, can you save it as a sequence of images?15:20
stilofromfrIt is saved as .xcf afaik let me double check15:21
MartijnVdS(here they just park their cars everywhere or drive like maniacs, and then claim they have "exemptions" for that.. and while they might have, it's not the best way to get respect :))15:21
Azelphuryou can't convert from .xcf to anything without gimp since xcf is gimps format afaik15:21
MartijnVdSyou can save the layers (= frames) as separate files15:21
MartijnVdSor animated GIF 8-)15:21
stilofromfrYes , my goal is to get an avi , gimp allow me to convert in lots of format and gif but I'm afraid I will loose a lot of quality, my animation isnt that hard so maybe some other soft could fix , I just need to print a logo then "presents" and then another logo"15:22
stilofromfrI can save layers as separate files certainly , what is your point?I have like 60 frames so far15:23
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: gimp should be able to save it as a directory full of .png or something like that15:23
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: then you can use ffmpeg to put those together as avi, m4v, etc.15:23
MartijnVdSor "avconv" as it's called now15:23
gordi know its technically some really old meoldy, but the local ice-cream van goes around blaring out "who ate all the pies"15:23
stilofromfrohright thanks Im gonna try that now , is ffmpeg gui ?15:24
MartijnVdSgord: ours uses "Popeye the sailor man"15:24
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: ffmpeg is command-line15:24
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: you just say "here are the frames, I want this number of frames per second. Go!"15:24
stilofromfrokay so I may have to come back for help If I get stuck , thanks !15:24
bigcalmgord: knees up mother brown?15:25
stilofromfralso I would need to time the appearane of each titles but I think I will jsut include more frame to not make it harder ?15:25
davmor2MartijnVdS: you see you mispronounced that, it's popey the sailor man surely15:25
MartijnVdSdavmor2: popey the silly man15:25
stilofromfrMartijnVds Can you enlighten me about saving as separate frames please?15:26
stilofromfrMartijnVds: Can you enlighten me about saving as separate frames please?15:27
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: maybe some gimp scripting?15:27
MartijnVdShttp://registry.gimp.org/node/2539415:28
stilofromfrI m checking , but I guess it ask when i'm saving , but it depends in which format I save it , for exemple if i save as png , it will ask to flatten or merge the visble layers of the image15:28
stilofromfrThanks , im gonna be a complete noob but never used a script in gimp15:29
AlanBello/ czajkowski15:29
MartijnVdSneither have I :)15:29
stilofromfrIll come back if i have trouble thanks15:29
czajkowskiAlanBell: what time are you coming on saturday at15:29
AlanBellum, not sure15:29
gordbigcalm, certainly not what i hear ;)15:30
AlanBellwill get back to you later on that15:30
czajkowskiAlanBell: cool trying to see if we have enough numbers to go throug15:30
czajkowskias dont want to come in for a day for just me and 2 people tbh15:30
AlanBelleven if one is me?15:31
czajkowskiAlanBell: you plus at least 2 and I have 2 people also confirmed15:31
AlanBellpub afterwards?15:32
AlanBelllast paralympics shift tomorrow15:33
czajkowskiAlanBell: not for me15:34
stilofromfr> (script-fu-export-layers run-mode image drawable dirname string) Error: eval: unbound variable: run-mode  Hi again the gimp script I launched doesnt seems toi work15:37
MartijnVdSmaybe the script is not for your version of gimp15:37
MartijnVdStry asking on the gimp channel?15:37
stilofromfrYes15:38
stilofromfrthx15:38
stilofromfrcan you tell me the adresse please?15:38
stilofromfr thx again15:38
MartijnVdShttp://www.gimp.org/irc.html15:38
MartijnVdS!pm15:46
lubotu3Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first.15:46
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: ^15:46
stilofromfrsry15:47
stilofromfrOkay I have ffmpg and even downloaded a gui but obviously failed as I created 81 .avi files out of my png ahah any guidance via cli please , also how can i publicly pm as you do please15:48
* popey scrolls up15:48
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2829113/ffmpeg-create-a-video-from-images15:50
MartijnVdSstilofromfr: google is your friend15:50
stilofromfrYes , I shouldnt have bothered that long thxagain15:50
popeyi use mencoder for that15:51
MartijnVdSthat still exists? :)15:51
popeymencoder "mf:///srv/webcam/archive/$YYYY/$MM/$DD/$HOUR/*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o $vid -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4v2:vbitrate=480015:52
popeylike that15:52
stilofromfryes?actually the link is quite hard to follow so if something easier come up15:52
popeywhich combines webcam images15:52
* Laney wibbles16:36
Laneyczajkowski: AlanBell: Are the logistics sorted for the jam tomorrow?16:37
czajkowskiLaney: it's not on tomrorow16:38
czajkowskionly Saturday16:38
Laneyhmm16:38
czajkowskiI'm not planning on going into the office tomorrow16:38
czajkowskiand you're staff so you can go in anways :-)16:38
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LaneyJe comprends. Je suis préoccupé par la chambre.16:39
Laneyok, saturday might be better anyway16:42
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BigRedSAh, I did just wonder who else would be coming along17:24
christelczajkowski: did you settle on a Time? :)17:26
BigRedS10:30 - 5:3017:26
BigRedSaccording to her email17:27
christelah goodoo! 10:30 is better than 10! since i have to leave super early! :P17:30
AzelphurI fixed up an ancient laptop for the local autistic society, It's a really old single core 1.5ghz with 256MB ram, I put Debian on it and added a wifi pcmcia card, got chromium (no flash) and libreoffice, anyone got any suggestions? :D18:47
diploBetter to have gone for abiword etc as they are less heavy ?18:57
AlanBellhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/YiCmWzUZFyP19:05
AlanBellwe got a postcard \o/19:06
AlanBelldavmor2: ^^19:06
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BigRedSAzelphur: it'd depend on what they're going to do with it, but LO sounds like a good way to have them wait for a week to open a document19:10
Azelphurdiplo: abiword seems to have less features / support than libre, and libre runs ok on it19:13
Azelphurunless I'm wrong on that, in which case I can switch19:13
Azelphurthey'd probably want it to open the newer .doc formats and stuff which I think abiword isn't compat with19:13
Azelphuralso abiword is word only, what about spreadsheets n stuff?19:14
diplogcalc19:14
diplo?19:14
* Azelphur shrugs19:14
Azelphurand presentation :P19:14
diploPushing my knoledge now, don't do any :)19:15
Azelphurhehe me either, but I guess this is the sort of thing they are going to be expecting19:15
Azelphurit doesn't really have a use case, it was chucked in a cupboard for a number of years as broken19:15
BigRedSI'd have thought they'd miss in-browser flash before missing the means to create presentations or spreadsheets19:17
AzelphurBigRedS: true, but not like a laptop of that age is gonna cope with flash, I set youtube up for html519:24
Azelphurany flash games or anything are just gonna be a disappointment and possibly cause it to lock up19:25
dutchieAlanBell: nice :D19:26
AlanBellyeah, nice moose christel :)19:26
christelthanks! i like moose19:28
MartijnVdShttps://metacpan.org/module/Moose !19:29
BigRedSAzelphur: yeah, but lots of people aren't aware of the problems of a "laptop of that age". This is the big problem with giving away ancient hardware19:30
Azelphurindeed19:30
BigRedSit's cool and that when it's your home server or some dev box that you play with every so often, but there's a really good reason nobdy's bought one for six years19:30
AzelphurI didn't give it away, I made it work when it would barely boot and added wifi *shrug*19:30
BigRedSyeah, I've just become really jaded and tell them it's not worth the effort now :)19:31
Azelphuryea usually I do19:33
Azelphurbut charity + I owe them = effort19:33
jacobwevening19:39
davmor2AlanBell: very nice did it say on the text side to my bestest pals in the whole widest world?19:41
AlanBellhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/YiCmWzUZFyP19:43
AlanBellnope19:43
AlanBellbut you were specifically mentioned19:44
MartijnVdSthanks for the card, christel :)19:44
MartijnVdSthough the stamp is the wrong way up19:44
Azelphuryay for newegg sales, just got me a £40 120GB Vertex 3 SSD :P19:45
MartijnVdSnoice19:46
davmor2christel: That's right blame me :D19:46
davmor2AlanBell: hahaha19:46
* Azelphur has a guy who ships things to him from USA \o/19:46
MartijnVdSAzelphur: that's very useful19:46
davmor2christel: thanks it's a really nice card :D19:46
AzelphurMartijnVdS: indeed, one of the perks of hanging out in the bitcoin trading circles :D19:47
* Azelphur can get things from anywhere19:47
MartijnVdSAzelphur: there are commercial services that do it :)19:47
MartijnVdSAzelphur: but they cost monies19:47
Azelphuryea19:48
Azelphurmy bitcoin guy generally takes the rebate as a fee19:48
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davmor2anyway guys I was only responding to AlanBell email about the postcard now I'm off again night all :)19:48
MartijnVdSI guess I could pressu^Wtalk someone here into forwarding a "We only ship to the UK" package here if I ever needed to :)19:48
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shaunothat always irks me.  I don't see any difference between shipping to northern ireland & the republic.  but still they turn me away21:03
MartijnVdSshauno: Amazon doesn't let me order some (mostly electronic) things21:18
shaunoyup, ditto21:18
MartijnVdSProbably because of the plug or something.. but even batteries!21:18
MartijnVdSthis is Europe people.. one market etc.21:19
shaunonah, we're on the same voltage/plugs/etc, and they won't ship things here either21:19
MartijnVdSI heard rumours of an amazon.nl opening up soon21:19
MartijnVdSthat would rock21:19
shaunothere's quite an odd list of things they won't ship to RoI.  blank CDs/DVDs are on it21:19
MartijnVdS(finally, competition for bol.com)21:19
The_Fredhey folks21:20
MartijnVdSshipping blank CDs to .nl would get them in trouble with the Dutch copyright police21:20
MartijnVdS(there's a levy on empty discs that has to be paid by the seller(!))21:20
shaunothat's probably very relevant :/21:21
shauno"Blank media items, such as blank CDs, DVDs and MP3 players"21:21
MartijnVdSyes21:21
MartijnVdSthose21:21
The_Fredtheres a few cd players,etc, arounnow that have a usb port - maybe cds could be replaced?21:21
MartijnVdSUSB sticks count too :(21:21
MartijnVdSStupid © police21:21
The_Fredwell...thats sucks21:21
MartijnVdSthey're even trying to extend it to HARD DISKS21:21
shaunooh, and light bulbs, of course21:22
The_Fredthats insane21:22
MartijnVdSand have you cough up €lots/gbyte21:22
MartijnVdSabolish IP law.21:22
MartijnVdSthat's my stance :)21:22
The_Fredjust wait for some hack-a-day article or instructable about how to make your own HDD- that'll have tied in a knot21:22
shaunothat's a tough one.  I think it fundamentally has to exist.  but it's really quite broken at the moment21:22
shaunoand taxing storage space to support outdated business models is simply barmy21:23
MartijnVdSshauno: I think you'd be surprised how well it works without21:23
MartijnVdSsame as road signs.. there's a town in NL that abolished road signs.. and traffic accidents etc. went DOWN21:23
The_Fredthat makes sense - folks had to concentrate21:24
MartijnVdSttp://educatie.ntr.nl/beeldbank/clip/t20091117_hverkeer01 :)21:24
MartijnVdSh+21:25
shaunoabolishing IP law gets funky though.  it's not all roses.  things like not being able to modify my wrtg54g because the GPL would be unenforceable21:25
MartijnVdStrue21:25
MartijnVdSMinimizing it might be better then21:26
The_Fredanyone know how to make a hardcoded directory loop?21:26
MartijnVdSa what?21:27
The_Fredsay i have a directory /home/me/stuff ...21:28
The_Fredwhen i go there i want it to jump to /home/stuff21:28
The_Fredany ideas?21:28
MartijnVdSa symlink!21:28
The_Fredthanks - thats the one21:28
The_Fredhow are they made?21:28
MartijnVdSln -s /home/stuff /home/me/stuff21:28
The_Fredbrilliant - thanks MartijnVdS21:29
MartijnVdSsee 'man ln' for what it actually does21:29
The_Fredoooo - so many options :)21:30
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C-S-BHello guys, any reason I am getting 'unity is marked for removal ...but is on blacklist' when trying to upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04?23:34

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