[05:08] <AlanBell> it is too early
[05:08] <pinky-> or late
[05:08] <pinky-> depends on your view
[05:09] <AlanBell> my view is from a train near Woking
[06:59] <diplo> Morning all
[07:02] <AlanBell> morning
[07:03] <diplo> Still doing the games AlanBell ?
[07:03] <AlanBell> yeah, fencing today
[07:04] <diplo> :)
[07:04] <diplo> #Enjoying it ?
[07:05] <AlanBell> wheelchairs + swords is a good combination
[07:05] <diplo> heh
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> weren't those called chariots?
[07:15] <dwatkins> good morning;
[07:15] <pinky-> full commitment and no breaks!
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> or brakes
[07:16] <pinky-> oh yeah. too early
[07:38]  * MartijnVdS is done with the SVG + Javascript network monitor
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> it shows where the devices are on a map downloaded from OSM, and makes them red if they're unreachable :)
[08:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:13] <bigcalm_laptop> Good morning peeps :)
[08:15] <pinky-> Top of the Morn!
[08:16] <pinky-> everybody got coffee?
[08:16] <diplo> tea!
[08:16] <diplo> :)
[08:16] <diplo> 2nd or 3rd cup already :)
[08:17] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:18] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: lo you muppet
[08:20] <pinky-> wow on the news they just said Hamilton is leaving Mclaren and moving to Mercedes next season
[08:21] <pinky-> not exactly ubuntu but I had to mention it
[08:28] <pinky-> McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton to 'replace Michael Schumacher' at Mercedes => damn they must of offered him a lot of money seeing he is McLarens leading driver
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: nah, Button is much better :)
[08:28] <pinky-> damn I'm in shock, hence I spoke
[08:28] <diplo> pinky-: Not been comfirmed though as of uyesterday
[08:28] <diplo> has it been updated ? It was just rumour mill yesterday
[08:28] <pinky-> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/mclaren-driver-lewis-hamilton-to-replace-michael-schumacher-at-mercedes-16207459.html
[08:29] <pinky-> posted 12 mins ago
[08:31] <diplo> is set to end his association with McLaren and move to Mercedes, it was claimed by former team boss Eddie Jordan today.
[08:31] <diplo> Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/mclaren-driver-lewis-hamilton-to-replace-michael-schumacher-at-mercedes-16207459.html#ixzz25g0VSyPS
[08:31] <diplo> bah
[08:31] <diplo> nah still the same 'claimed' by Eddie Jordan
[08:32] <pinky-> Nor is there official word that Schumacher will retire, although F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone hinted as much live on air last Sunday. <= but he did say it, I watched it live
[08:32] <pinky-> I guess it's all true
[08:33] <pinky-> oh well new news to me so hence shock factor
[08:41] <pinky-> oh yeah I see now, it's the same story from yesterdays edition of The Daily Mail
[08:41] <pinky-> seems I'm slow
[08:41] <pinky-> more coffee needed!
[08:44] <pinky-> more tea vicar?
[08:53] <Goshawk> Is there anyway of converting a .doc file to a .docx file?
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> MS WOrd
[08:55] <Goshawk> without using MS Word?
[09:05] <JohnRobert> word up
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> Upload to Google Docs, "Download as docx"?
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> Or the same, but LibreOffice
[09:05] <JohnRobert> lol my gf got mad at me the other day because I hadn't installed word on my laptop
[09:06] <JohnRobert> because libreoffice wasn't rendering some cruddy word doc right
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> this is why I switched to GDocs
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> Everyone sees the same document!
[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigonman
[09:07] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:09] <JohnRobert> it didn't render in gdocs properly either
[09:09] <JohnRobert> I said it was rediculous that they emailed a registration form in word doc format
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> Ooh, external source
[09:10] <JohnRobert> turns out 'normal' people think word comes with windows or something
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> sometimes it does.. or Wordpad, or MS Works
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> however, modern versions of Word know how to make PDF!
[09:12] <JohnRobert> yeah, well that's the problem, she had office starter on her laptop
[09:12] <JohnRobert> not sure how that's not antitrust etc..
[09:12] <JohnRobert> still not quite sure how ms managed to get away with bundling IE
[09:13] <JohnRobert> sure they were fined, but it's still there X years later..
[09:15] <diplo> Because of the browser choice icon on the desktop that is there from fresh install
[09:17] <JohnRobert> heh
[09:17] <JohnRobert> I don't recall seeing that on my win7 laptop
[09:17] <JohnRobert> maybe I just don't remember
[09:19] <pinky-> I had the browser choice icon on my freash win 7 install and I only clicked for firefox.. but when I look at my machine I have both 32bit and 64bit version of IE installed
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> you can still install Chrome or Firefox and make it the default
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> and remove the IE icons
[09:20] <pinky-> yeah I have
[09:22] <pinky-> I'm sick and tired of Apples Bonjour.exe keeps reapearing on my windows box even though I have removed it umteen times
[09:23] <JohnRobert> heh
[09:23] <JohnRobert> itunes
[09:23] <pinky-> no
[09:23] <JohnRobert> I've been listening to the steve jobs biography book
[09:23] <JohnRobert> turns out he was a right jerk
[09:23] <pinky-> maybe quicktime
[09:23] <JohnRobert> clever, but horrible
[09:23] <JohnRobert> most of the time
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: it's part of the "service discovery" stuff, network things
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu speaks the protocol too!
[09:29] <pinky-> I just hate Apple with a passion and don't want it on my machine:)
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> don't install quicktime then
[09:36] <pinky-> true
[09:37] <pinky-> made me go look..
[09:37] <pinky-> and I cannot remember why it was first installed.. you've made me ponder
[09:39] <pinky-> I'm a space cadet that never sleeps.. it doesn't help
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> PARANOIA
[09:40] <JohnRobert> it'll destroya
[09:42]  * popey tickles JohnRobert 
[09:52] <diplo> pinky-: Media Player Classic used to do quicktime from memory, so could use that instead of quicktime
[09:53] <pinky-> yeah on windows i always install k-lite codecs and use Media Player Classic as default
[09:53] <JohnRobert> who has .qt files any more?
[09:53] <diplo> Nope, but to play stuff on trailers.apple it needs it i think
[09:53] <pinky-> i have a dvb-s2 saterlite card and I'm wondering if it was for the original software??
[09:54] <pinky-> I just can't think
[09:54]  * MartijnVdS uses szap-s2 for the DVB-S2 card :)
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Ubuntu
[09:55] <pinky-> anyways Quicktime is gone**
[09:55]  * diplo uses xbmc on ubuntu and a addon that does trailers.apple and don't have the faintest idea how it plays and don't care :)
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> diplo: pixie dust
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> diplo: from captive pixies
[09:59] <diplo> :p
[10:07] <JohnRobert> wonder if I can find my pgp cert
[10:09] <pinky-> and satellite* yeah (slight typo) and it gave me an itch I just had to scratch
[10:31] <pinky-> don't you just hate it when pixie dust gets in all the hard to reach places
[10:32] <pinky-> back crack n sack
[10:32] <JohnRobert> :/
[10:57] <dwatkins> I wish the pixies in my television worked harder, it takes ages to boot it up.
[10:58] <mgdm> the idea of a TV or a car 'booting up' still makes me go o_O
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> is that your rage face?
[11:00] <mgdm> No, conventionally it means something like 'errr'
[11:00] <dwatkins> mgdm: I agree, it takes about a minute, I grew up having to wait only about 10 seconds for the CRT to warm up.
[11:00] <dwatkins> o.O is how I demonstrate that I'm raising an eyebrow
[11:01] <gord> my tv has a "fast boot" option. as far as i can tell, it just disables some stupid animation at the start
[11:02] <gord> why have the animation?!
[11:02] <dwatkins> haha
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> Mine is actually quite fast
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> faster than my old one anyway
[11:02] <dwatkins> Mine (Sony Bravia) has various apps, including lovefilm and some DLNC thing, so I can appreciate it might take a moment to completely initialise.
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> 5-10 seconds and I get "Access denied", then 3 more seconds for the CI module to boot and start decrypting DVB data
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[11:03] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I should find out how many watts mine draws.
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: That part boots in the background on mine.. if I use the "smart" stuff immediately it tells me to wait
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> but if I watch TV for a few minutes, and THEN do the "Smart TV" bits, it's fast
[11:04] <dwatkins> yep
[11:04] <dwatkins> My first computer booted up in the time it took for it to go beee-beep! (BBC Micro) ;)
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> I still remember all the boot sounds our XT made
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> and its printer
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> and its floppy drives
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> and I could hear which program from config.sys/autoexec.bat was loading by the sound the hard disk made
[11:05] <dwatkins> Apparently you can tell what speed a modem is handshaking at from the sound it makes.
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> you can
[11:08] <dwatkins> Not a skill I ever mastered, perhaps I get out too much ;)
[11:10] <pinky-> which reminds me of old titles like the phreakers handbook and jolly rogers cookbook
[11:18] <mgdm> can anyone whistle precisely 2600Hz? :-)
[11:18] <bigcalm_laptop> I miss the jolly roger's cook book
[11:18] <pinky-> to become the operator?
[11:19] <pinky-> 2600Hz?
[11:20] <mgdm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking#2600_hertz
[11:20] <mgdm> it's not the one I was thining off, actually
[11:20] <bigcalm_laptop> There was a whistle in a cereal box that did the tone
[11:20] <mgdm> Oh, wait, no, it is :-)
[11:20] <mgdm> bigcalm_laptop: yeah, Captain Crunch :)
[11:21] <mgdm> see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600_Hz
[11:21] <pinky-> yup
[11:22] <bigcalm_laptop> :)
[11:26] <pinky-> I had an Amiga for about 14 years, went through all the versions one by one.. was an awesome system
[11:26] <pinky-> I used to love my Amiga
[11:27] <pinky-> bbs's and modem.. ahh that was the day;)
[11:27] <pinky-> the good old days
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> Good.. time to go clean the car
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> Good thing it's so tiny :)
[11:31] <pinky-> DirOpus was small too yet very powerful
[11:31] <pinky-> anyone remember?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> mine's a Smart
[12:04] <pinky-> I've spent lots of time on eFnet and a newbie on freenode and I was just looking t he channel bans list and I noticed the top entry is $a:PerfM and I just wonder what t means?
[12:04] <pinky-> it*
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> it's probably some special command for the irc server
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> "the person authenticated as PerfM"?
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> "Anyone NOT authenticated, but named PerfM"?
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> something like that
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> christel will know
[12:07] <pinky-> ah ok thanks, was new to me
[12:14] <pinky-> there's no Chanserv, Nickserv or Memoserv on Efnet, everybody runs eggdrop
[12:15] <christel> pretty much what MartijnVdS said, the account "PerfM" is banned for whatever reason
[12:15] <pinky-> ok thanks
[12:16] <pinky-> it had me puzzled
[13:00] <pinky-> this is just trivial chat but 2 things that I notice very different on here compared to Efnet is when you /whois somebody here is you cannot see the other channels they are idle in, only the shared channel, and lots of people here list thier real names. Efnet you get to see other channels and no-body gives real name.
[13:00] <pinky-> all a bit strange to me atm
[13:05] <The_Fred> hello
[13:06] <JohnRobert> hi
[13:27] <czajkowski> Laney: christel AlanBell are you all still coming on Saturday to a UGJ if there is one happening in London
[13:28] <Laney> I cannot find a reasonably priced way to get to london
[13:28] <czajkowski> ok
[13:28] <Laney> any ideas?
[13:28] <davmor2> Laney by foot it's free?
[13:29] <Laney> I don't think I'd stay for Saturday even if I did come though
[13:29] <czajkowski> bike :)
[13:29] <Laney> davmor2: yeah, the taxpayer would foot the bill for the replacement feet :-)
[13:30]  * Laney checks natex / megabus
[13:30] <Laney> 50 quid on the train with railcard seems unresonable to me
[13:33] <christel> czajkowski: yes maam! i suspect alarmbell would too as iirc he said yesterday that he didnt have any plans for the weekend (presumably kept it free for jamming!)
[13:33] <czajkowski> christel: ok
[13:33] <christel> (though that might have changed since so it might be wise to double check, i just tend to talk on everyones behalf because it is fun!)
[13:33] <czajkowski> christel: can you reply to the mail I sent around that makes 4 then plus me = 5
[13:33] <czajkowski> so I'll come in for sure
[13:34] <czajkowski> just dont want to go in if there are only going to be no shows
[13:34] <christel> ooh 2sex
[13:34] <Laney> 38.20 for a coach leaving at 05:40
[13:34]  * Laney …
[13:37] <gord> right clicking pages in firefox and going to inspect element -> 3d view is my new favourite thing to do
[13:37] <czajkowski> gord: I worry about you at times
[13:37] <gord> but its so cool
[13:38] <gord> if someone asks me to do something, i can set it up to 3d view then say "this is unix, i know this!"
[13:41] <JohnRobert> loool
[13:41] <JohnRobert> is it like jurrasic park?!
[13:41] <JohnRobert> :p
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> Jurassic park AGAIN? :)
[13:43] <JohnRobert> lol it's awesome
[13:43] <JohnRobert> heh
[13:43] <JohnRobert> never knew that existed
[13:43]  * MartijnVdS built a "Jurassic Park" view (the "fences" one) of a network yesterday :)
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> projected on a map
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> and the network devices go red when they're down
[13:44] <JohnRobert> lolll
[13:44] <JohnRobert> too much free time
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> no!
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> It's for a large camping in a forest with a wifi net
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> When they get complaints, they want to see if anything is wrong with the network in that area :)
[13:51] <gord> i wonder if i could put a small radio source on my cat and make a jurassic park map that tracks her.... then buy a dinosaur costume for a cat
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> gord: and a car ride with celeb voice-overs?
[14:21] <biomorph> Hi everybody....
[14:23] <biomorph> I have a problem with the libreoffice PPA repository for Lucid.  It is trying to upgrade libexttextcat-data, but that breaks libexttextcat0
[14:23] <biomorph> Anybody else seen this - got a fix?
[14:31]  * bigcalm flops
[14:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: you got home okay then :)
[14:35] <bigcalm> Where am I?
[14:36] <davmor2> oh dear
[14:37] <bigcalm> More traffic than I had expected
[15:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[15:12] <czajkowski> christel: what time do ye get to London on Saturday at ?
[15:13] <christel> what time does it start? :)
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> insane o'clock
[15:16] <pinky-> meds time
[15:16] <czajkowski> christel: I dunno
[15:16] <czajkowski> working that bit out now
[15:16] <czajkowski> 10/10:30
[15:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: that might be a better place to start then :D
[15:17] <Azelphur> Found this last night and thought it was amusing, UK police are really proactive http://www.splicd.com/c_ZBlMM7qlI/2410/2420 :D
[15:18] <pinky-> lol, short but sweet
[15:18] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:18] <Azelphur> step 1) get tuned up high subaru, step 2) park it up and wait for the criminals to come past
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: sounds like a plan only a real policeman could come up with :)
[15:19] <Azelphur> indeed :p
[15:19] <stilofromfr> Hi guys I need help converting an .xcf animation made with gimp to edit it as a video introduction ( so i need it in avi)Help pls ) Regards
[15:20] <Azelphur> I like how they make it all dramatic too, "has a tactic for intercepting criminals" -> park up and wait
[15:20] <Azelphur> xD
[15:20] <Azelphur> stilofromfr: not sure about the GIMP side of it, can you save it as a sequence of images?
[15:21] <stilofromfr> It is saved as .xcf afaik let me double check
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> (here they just park their cars everywhere or drive like maniacs, and then claim they have "exemptions" for that.. and while they might have, it's not the best way to get respect :))
[15:21] <Azelphur> you can't convert from .xcf to anything without gimp since xcf is gimps format afaik
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> you can save the layers (= frames) as separate files
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> or animated GIF 8-)
[15:22] <stilofromfr> Yes , my goal is to get an avi , gimp allow me to convert in lots of format and gif but I'm afraid I will loose a lot of quality, my animation isnt that hard so maybe some other soft could fix , I just need to print a logo then "presents" and then another logo"
[15:23] <stilofromfr> I can save layers as separate files certainly , what is your point?I have like 60 frames so far
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: gimp should be able to save it as a directory full of .png or something like that
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: then you can use ffmpeg to put those together as avi, m4v, etc.
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> or "avconv" as it's called now
[15:23] <gord> i know its technically some really old meoldy, but the local ice-cream van goes around blaring out "who ate all the pies"
[15:24] <stilofromfr> ohright thanks Im gonna try that now , is ffmpeg gui ?
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: ours uses "Popeye the sailor man"
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: ffmpeg is command-line
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: you just say "here are the frames, I want this number of frames per second. Go!"
[15:24] <stilofromfr> okay so I may have to come back for help If I get stuck , thanks !
[15:25] <bigcalm> gord: knees up mother brown?
[15:25] <stilofromfr> also I would need to time the appearane of each titles but I think I will jsut include more frame to not make it harder ?
[15:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you see you mispronounced that, it's popey the sailor man surely
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: popey the silly man
[15:26] <stilofromfr> MartijnVds Can you enlighten me about saving as separate frames please?
[15:27] <stilofromfr> MartijnVds: Can you enlighten me about saving as separate frames please?
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: maybe some gimp scripting?
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> http://registry.gimp.org/node/25394
[15:28] <stilofromfr> I m checking , but I guess it ask when i'm saving , but it depends in which format I save it , for exemple if i save as png , it will ask to flatten or merge the visble layers of the image
[15:29] <stilofromfr> Thanks , im gonna be a complete noob but never used a script in gimp
[15:29] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> neither have I :)
[15:29] <stilofromfr> Ill come back if i have trouble thanks
[15:29] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what time are you coming on saturday at
[15:29] <AlanBell> um, not sure
[15:30] <gord> bigcalm, certainly not what i hear ;)
[15:30] <AlanBell> will get back to you later on that
[15:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: cool trying to see if we have enough numbers to go throug
[15:30] <czajkowski> as dont want to come in for a day for just me and 2 people tbh
[15:31] <AlanBell> even if one is me?
[15:31] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you plus at least 2 and I have 2 people also confirmed
[15:32] <AlanBell> pub afterwards?
[15:33] <AlanBell> last paralympics shift tomorrow
[15:34] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not for me
[15:37] <stilofromfr> > (script-fu-export-layers run-mode image drawable dirname string) Error: eval: unbound variable: run-mode  Hi again the gimp script I launched doesnt seems toi work
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> maybe the script is not for your version of gimp
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> try asking on the gimp channel?
[15:38] <stilofromfr> Yes
[15:38] <stilofromfr> thx
[15:38] <stilofromfr> can you tell me the adresse please?
[15:38] <stilofromfr>  thx again
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> http://www.gimp.org/irc.html
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> !pm
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: ^
[15:47] <stilofromfr> sry
[15:48] <stilofromfr> Okay I have ffmpg and even downloaded a gui but obviously failed as I created 81 .avi files out of my png ahah any guidance via cli please , also how can i publicly pm as you do please
[15:48]  * popey scrolls up
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2829113/ffmpeg-create-a-video-from-images
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> stilofromfr: google is your friend
[15:50] <stilofromfr> Yes , I shouldnt have bothered that long thxagain
[15:51] <popey> i use mencoder for that
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> that still exists? :)
[15:52] <popey> mencoder "mf:///srv/webcam/archive/$YYYY/$MM/$DD/$HOUR/*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o $vid -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4v2:vbitrate=4800
[15:52] <popey> like that
[15:52] <stilofromfr> yes?actually the link is quite hard to follow so if something easier come up
[15:52] <popey> which combines webcam images
[16:36]  * Laney wibbles
[16:37] <Laney> czajkowski: AlanBell: Are the logistics sorted for the jam tomorrow?
[16:38] <czajkowski> Laney: it's not on tomrorow
[16:38] <czajkowski> only Saturday
[16:38] <Laney> hmm
[16:38] <czajkowski> I'm not planning on going into the office tomorrow
[16:38] <czajkowski> and you're staff so you can go in anways :-)
[16:39] <Laney> Je comprends. Je suis préoccupé par la chambre.
[16:42] <Laney> ok, saturday might be better anyway
[17:24] <BigRedS> Ah, I did just wonder who else would be coming along
[17:26] <christel> czajkowski: did you settle on a Time? :)
[17:26] <BigRedS> 10:30 - 5:30
[17:27] <BigRedS> according to her email
[17:30] <christel> ah goodoo! 10:30 is better than 10! since i have to leave super early! :P
[18:47] <Azelphur> I fixed up an ancient laptop for the local autistic society, It's a really old single core 1.5ghz with 256MB ram, I put Debian on it and added a wifi pcmcia card, got chromium (no flash) and libreoffice, anyone got any suggestions? :D
[18:57] <diplo> Better to have gone for abiword etc as they are less heavy ?
[19:05] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/YiCmWzUZFyP
[19:06] <AlanBell> we got a postcard \o/
[19:06] <AlanBell> davmor2: ^^
[19:10] <BigRedS> Azelphur: it'd depend on what they're going to do with it, but LO sounds like a good way to have them wait for a week to open a document
[19:13] <Azelphur> diplo: abiword seems to have less features / support than libre, and libre runs ok on it
[19:13] <Azelphur> unless I'm wrong on that, in which case I can switch
[19:13] <Azelphur> they'd probably want it to open the newer .doc formats and stuff which I think abiword isn't compat with
[19:14] <Azelphur> also abiword is word only, what about spreadsheets n stuff?
[19:14] <diplo> gcalc
[19:14] <diplo> ?
[19:14]  * Azelphur shrugs
[19:14] <Azelphur> and presentation :P
[19:15] <diplo> Pushing my knoledge now, don't do any :)
[19:15] <Azelphur> hehe me either, but I guess this is the sort of thing they are going to be expecting
[19:15] <Azelphur> it doesn't really have a use case, it was chucked in a cupboard for a number of years as broken
[19:17] <BigRedS> I'd have thought they'd miss in-browser flash before missing the means to create presentations or spreadsheets
[19:24] <Azelphur> BigRedS: true, but not like a laptop of that age is gonna cope with flash, I set youtube up for html5
[19:25] <Azelphur> any flash games or anything are just gonna be a disappointment and possibly cause it to lock up
[19:26] <dutchie> AlanBell: nice :D
[19:26] <AlanBell> yeah, nice moose christel :)
[19:28] <christel> thanks! i like moose
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> https://metacpan.org/module/Moose !
[19:30] <BigRedS> Azelphur: yeah, but lots of people aren't aware of the problems of a "laptop of that age". This is the big problem with giving away ancient hardware
[19:30] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:30] <BigRedS> it's cool and that when it's your home server or some dev box that you play with every so often, but there's a really good reason nobdy's bought one for six years
[19:30] <Azelphur> I didn't give it away, I made it work when it would barely boot and added wifi *shrug*
[19:31] <BigRedS> yeah, I've just become really jaded and tell them it's not worth the effort now :)
[19:33] <Azelphur> yea usually I do
[19:33] <Azelphur> but charity + I owe them = effort
[19:39] <jacobw> evening
[19:41] <davmor2> AlanBell: very nice did it say on the text side to my bestest pals in the whole widest world?
[19:43] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/YiCmWzUZFyP
[19:43] <AlanBell> nope
[19:44] <AlanBell> but you were specifically mentioned
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> thanks for the card, christel :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> though the stamp is the wrong way up
[19:45] <Azelphur> yay for newegg sales, just got me a £40 120GB Vertex 3 SSD :P
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> noice
[19:46] <davmor2> christel: That's right blame me :D
[19:46] <davmor2> AlanBell: hahaha
[19:46]  * Azelphur has a guy who ships things to him from USA \o/
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that's very useful
[19:46] <davmor2> christel: thanks it's a really nice card :D
[19:47] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: indeed, one of the perks of hanging out in the bitcoin trading circles :D
[19:47]  * Azelphur can get things from anywhere
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: there are commercial services that do it :)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but they cost monies
[19:48] <Azelphur> yea
[19:48] <Azelphur> my bitcoin guy generally takes the rebate as a fee
[19:48] <davmor2> anyway guys I was only responding to AlanBell email about the postcard now I'm off again night all :)
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> I guess I could pressu^Wtalk someone here into forwarding a "We only ship to the UK" package here if I ever needed to :)
[21:03] <shauno> that always irks me.  I don't see any difference between shipping to northern ireland & the republic.  but still they turn me away
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Amazon doesn't let me order some (mostly electronic) things
[21:18] <shauno> yup, ditto
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> Probably because of the plug or something.. but even batteries!
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> this is Europe people.. one market etc.
[21:19] <shauno> nah, we're on the same voltage/plugs/etc, and they won't ship things here either
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> I heard rumours of an amazon.nl opening up soon
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> that would rock
[21:19] <shauno> there's quite an odd list of things they won't ship to RoI.  blank CDs/DVDs are on it
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> (finally, competition for bol.com)
[21:20] <The_Fred> hey folks
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> shipping blank CDs to .nl would get them in trouble with the Dutch copyright police
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> (there's a levy on empty discs that has to be paid by the seller(!))
[21:21] <shauno> that's probably very relevant :/
[21:21] <shauno> "Blank media items, such as blank CDs, DVDs and MP3 players"
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> yes
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> those
[21:21] <The_Fred> theres a few cd players,etc, arounnow that have a usb port - maybe cds could be replaced?
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> USB sticks count too :(
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> Stupid © police
[21:21] <The_Fred> well...thats sucks
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> they're even trying to extend it to HARD DISKS
[21:22] <shauno> oh, and light bulbs, of course
[21:22] <The_Fred> thats insane
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> and have you cough up €lots/gbyte
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> abolish IP law.
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> that's my stance :)
[21:22] <The_Fred> just wait for some hack-a-day article or instructable about how to make your own HDD- that'll have tied in a knot
[21:22] <shauno> that's a tough one.  I think it fundamentally has to exist.  but it's really quite broken at the moment
[21:23] <shauno> and taxing storage space to support outdated business models is simply barmy
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I think you'd be surprised how well it works without
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> same as road signs.. there's a town in NL that abolished road signs.. and traffic accidents etc. went DOWN
[21:24] <The_Fred> that makes sense - folks had to concentrate
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> ttp://educatie.ntr.nl/beeldbank/clip/t20091117_hverkeer01 :)
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> h+
[21:25] <shauno> abolishing IP law gets funky though.  it's not all roses.  things like not being able to modify my wrtg54g because the GPL would be unenforceable
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> true
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> Minimizing it might be better then
[21:26] <The_Fred> anyone know how to make a hardcoded directory loop?
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> a what?
[21:28] <The_Fred> say i have a directory /home/me/stuff ...
[21:28] <The_Fred> when i go there i want it to jump to /home/stuff
[21:28] <The_Fred> any ideas?
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> a symlink!
[21:28] <The_Fred> thanks - thats the one
[21:28] <The_Fred> how are they made?
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> ln -s /home/stuff /home/me/stuff
[21:29] <The_Fred> brilliant - thanks MartijnVdS
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> see 'man ln' for what it actually does
[21:30] <The_Fred> oooo - so many options :)
[23:34] <C-S-B> Hello guys, any reason I am getting 'unity is marked for removal ...but is on blacklist' when trying to upgrade to 12.10 from 12.04?