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Squirmmorning05:19
Kilosmorning all05:31
sakhimorning06:30
Symmetriasakhi06:39
Symmetriayou guys are using fortinet right?06:39
Symmetriathats your only firewall?06:39
Kiloshi Tonberry nlsthzn sakhi Symmetria 06:39
nlsthznHello uncle Kilos 06:39
superflyo/06:46
Kilosyo superfly 06:46
* Symmetria blows up checkpoint06:48
Symmetriacheckpoint firewalls would look so much prettier in a ball of fire with little bits of themselves flying everywhere06:49
Symmetria:p06:49
sakhiohi Symmetria yes we still are06:54
sakhicheckpoint is not too bad the only complication is upgrading to name a few.06:57
sakhioverall if you use PF firewall (FreeBSD) checkpoint wont be too bad ;)06:58
Squirmhi06:59
nlsthznhi superfly , Symmetria , Squirm ... and all the other SSSS'ssssss07:04
superflyhaha, hi nlsthzn07:04
Squirm^^07:05
magespawngood morning07:18
Kiloshi magespawn Squirm 07:19
magespawnwhats up Kilos?07:31
Kiloslotsa cold miserable windy weather and only 4mm rain last night07:31
Kilosand there07:31
magespawnlots of rain, about 90mm, and cold.07:34
Kilosaw share07:34
Kiloswill accept the cold if we get that kinda rain as well07:35
Squirmwe had a fair amount of rain07:46
Kiloshi aquarat 08:05
aquarathey Kilos08:05
aquaratI was on my phone yesterday when you said hello08:05
aquaratnot that it's important08:05
Kiloslol you guys and youre clever fones08:07
aquarat:P08:07
aquarata clever phone from 2004 could do irc ;)08:07
Kilosi find them a pain to use for texting08:07
Kilosya ive used jedirc on my nokia but what a schlep08:08
aquaratthe htc desire-z is android based... and it has a full keyboard08:08
Kilosno man full keyboard is 500mm wide08:09
aquarata full keyboard has all the buttons of a normal keyboard08:09
aquaratit could be as big or small as you want08:10
Kilosno man eyes dont see small08:10
Kiloshehe08:10
aquarat:P08:10
Kiloseye08:10
Kiloshi morgs 08:11
morgshi Kilos 08:11
Kiloshi jrgns 08:26
psyatwwow, I can't believe I didn't add this channel to irssi so far12:24
Kiloshi psyatw 12:27
Kiloslo Banlam bakuman charlvn 12:27
Kilosbarns too12:27
psyatwhi Kilos 12:28
Kilosyo inetpro hoe veel reen het jy gekry12:28
Kilosstorming here but raining other side the mountain12:29
inetproeisjh Kilos, kyk j7y nooit na twitter nie?12:29
inetpro3mm aan my kant van die berg12:29
Kiloseish en 4mm hier12:29
inetprogood afternoon everyone12:29
Squirmit's still raining here12:30
Kilosek gaan net met ubuntuza twitter toe12:30
Kilosyou in jhb Squirm ?12:30
SquirmKilos: Mooi River12:30
Kilosoh ya12:31
Kilosbig storm blowing over here to jhb12:31
Squirmam glad water polo is cancelled for today, was meant to play down in Hillcrest12:31
Kiloswhew12:31
Squirmwouldn't have been pleasant12:31
Kilosthe good guys never get rain12:32
Kiloshoe groter die sonde hoe groter die genade12:32
Kiloshow kan i change my password on 12.0412:33
Kilosgoogled but its all about when installing12:33
inetproKilos: cli12:36
inetpropasswd12:36
Kiloswow so easy?12:36
Squirmyep12:37
Squirmand if you're root, you can specify a users password you want to change12:37
Squirmpasswd username_here12:38
KilosBad: new and old password must differ by more than just case12:38
Squirmif you have root12:38
Kilosits the one case i wanna change12:38
Kiloswill have to do it twice12:38
Squirmdo it from there, then you can force it12:38
Kilosoh ok i try12:39
Squirmso switch to root on the command line, then type passwd Kilos12:39
Squirmor whatever the username you want to change12:39
* inetpro just looked out the window12:40
inetproKilos: WOW!!!12:40
inetprosuch dark clouds!?12:40
Squirmlol12:41
Kilosyeah very dark12:41
inetproEISH!!12:41
Kilosits like evening already12:41
Squirmits been like that all day...12:41
* inetpro hoping that it will get batter later12:41
inetprobetter*12:41
Kilosit gonna batter you12:41
Kiloshehe12:42
inetpro:-(12:42
Kilosbig wind so it should blow over by hometime inetpro 12:42
inetproKilos: cool, now I feel better12:43
Kiloshaha12:43
Kilosi gotta talk to mrs_fly and ask her to bite off the tongue next time superfly sticks it out at me12:44
Kilos:=P is a tongue smiley hey12:47
Kiloseish12:47
Kilos:-P12:47
inetproKilos: ok this is not funny13:16
inetproit's like the dark of night in Pretoria now13:19
Kilospower died , 22mm rain in 30 mins and now sunshine13:50
tumbleweedsummary of a hug discussion un ubuntu-devel at the moment: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/514856/c9d2a8e40226b122/13:59
Kiloshi rsimpson 14:01
Kiloswelcome to ubuntu-za14:01
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Kiloshaha hiya SilverCode 14:15
Kiloslong story there tumbleweed 14:15
Kilossuperfly, hows zak?14:25
superflyfeeling slightly better, it seems.14:26
tumbleweedKilos: the e-mail thread is 10 times longer :/14:30
tumbleweedand the spec they proposed is rediculously long14:31
Kilosah ty for giving thew shortened version14:39
Kilosthe14:39
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Squirmbeen raining all day14:56
Squirmsince like 7pm last night14:56
Kilosyeah natal rains lekker, not just storms now and again14:58
Squirmlekker?14:59
Squirmit hasn't been over 1014:59
Squirmdeg14:59
Kilosyeah well mooiriver is a very cold place in winter15:00
Kilosbut at least not cold and dead like up here15:00
Hodgestartumbleweed: Is Ubuntu seriously dropping support for Unity2D in the next release? If so I will probably be forced to switch distros or buy a new laptop -- not exactly a choice I'm excited about being left with.15:23
HodgestarOr is that just a Live CD thing?15:24
tumbleweedHodgestar: it's already gone15:24
HodgestarAs in totally gone?15:25
tumbleweedthere's gnome3 (llvmpipe), unity (llvmpipe) and gnome 3 fallback mode15:25
tumbleweedyes15:25
tumbleweed(plus all the other DEs, of course)15:25
HodgestarWait, what?15:25
HodgestarOh, you mean the others are still there?15:25
tumbleweedgnome 3 fallback mode still exists, right?15:25
tumbleweedyeah15:26
HodgestarThe problem with all the other options is that they're essentially not supported.15:26
HodgestarOut of the box they're just messed up.15:26
tumbleweedthey're supported. if tehy're messed up, we must fix them15:26
HodgestarI know because confluence spends days of her time sort that stuff out for Fluxx box.15:26
Hodgestars/sort/sorting/15:26
HodgestarI was essentially in the same boat with Awesome.15:27
tumbleweedwhat problems are we talking about?15:27
HodgestarNothing useful loads by default when one starts Awesome. Programs flake out because they're expecting some obscure Gnome or Unity settings thing to be running.15:29
tumbleweedI don't think that's anything ubuntu-specific15:29
HodgestarIt's not one problem. It's just that it's a long way outside the core Ubuntu user base so the rough edges aren't ironed off.15:30
tumbleweedgnome programs expect to be run in gnome (and possibly KDE) they don't tend to think about everything else15:30
tumbleweedHodgestar: it's a long way outside the core Ubuntu user base, but it's par for the Ubuntu developer user base15:30
tumbleweeda fair number of people run crazy obscure WMs15:30
HodgestarWell, they're obviously gluing everyting back together with custom config they don't bother to commit back.15:31
HodgestarEither that or all they want is a short-cut key that leads to a terminal. :P15:31
tumbleweedyeah, that's most of them :)15:32
tumbleweedthat's certainly me15:32
tumbleweedweb browsers are also useful15:32
tumbleweedah, here's the blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gnome-plans-review15:33
tumbleweed(and, btw, lots of people are grumbling that they can't quantal Ubuntu in VMs. The llvmpipe support in compiz has been improving slowly...)15:34
HodgestarWell, at least there is some hope then. :)15:52
HodgestarMy machine can't really run VMs that usefully.15:52
HodgestarAt least not in addition to other things like a web browser.15:52
tumbleweedtime for a new machine :)15:53
HodgestarBut this one has parts I soldered myself!15:56
Kiloshaha @ Hodgestar 16:02
Kilosmakes it part of the family hey16:03
Kiloshi Cantide 16:03
Cantideevening '-'16:03
charlvngood evening16:31
charlvnMaaz: coffee on16:31
* Maaz flips the salt-timer16:31
charlvnhi Kilos, Hodgestar, tumbleweed 16:31
charlvnhi Cantide 16:32
Cantidehey charlvn :p16:32
charlvnbeen working on a piece of code today: http://paste.ubuntu.com/118924216:33
MaazCoffee's ready for charlvn!16:35
Kiloshi charlvn 16:36
charlvnMaaz: thanks16:36
Maazcharlvn: Okay :-)16:36
charlvnok i have to run off again16:37
charlvnbbl16:37
Kiloslater then16:37
Cantidei was still digesting the code16:38
Cantidemy stomach doesn't like java much though :<16:38
inetprogood evening17:09
inetproKilos: at least I'm still dry and in one peace17:10
Kilosyay inetpro 17:16
inetprobig flooding under the first train bridge in Paul Kruger street on the way to Pretoria North17:24
inetprocausing havoc for normal traffic17:24
Kilossjoe17:26
inetpropeople really like packing up close together when it's like this17:27
inetproeveryone clearly very agitated 17:27
inetprobut luckily I was able to pass through17:28
Cantidei would have passed out ._.17:28
inetpro:-)17:28
Kilosyeah bikes have major advantages at times17:28
* Cantide dislikes heavy traffic17:28
* inetpro bbl17:28
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magespawn_evening all17:48
Cantidegood evening '<17:49
magespawn_hey Cantide17:49
Kiloshey magespawn_ 17:50
magespawn_hey Kilos17:51
magespawn_wonder where the tail came from, lol17:58
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superflyinetpro: *piece17:59
inetprosuperfly: true, thanks18:00
Symmetriawierd, all dstv seems to have died in my area and I dont think its cloud cover18:00
Symmetriaand you cant get through to their damn pe call centre18:00
Symmetriawow, cant get through to ANY of their call centre numbers18:03
smileSymmetria: typical18:12
KerberoSymmetria: maybe the uplink in joburg died18:13
Symmetriaheh18:18
Symmetriaits back18:18
Symmetriabut it was out country wide 18:18
Symmetriaso whatever it was, it wasnt pretty :P and I bet they were panicing18:18
Kerberoofc18:18
Kerberoi really won't be surprised if it was the uplink as i hear it is raining very hard up in the country18:19
Symmetriaheh Kerbero you'd expect them to have redundant uplinks though18:19
Symmetriain different points in the country18:19
Kerberohehe18:20
Kerberoit's dstv...18:20
Kerberolol18:20
smileKerbero: I hate webcams ;)18:20
Cantidemy mouse was lagging, keyboard input lagging and my num-lock light was blinking sporadically :-S18:20
Kerberoo18:20
SymmetriaKerbero actually they generally pretty jacked in my dealings with them lol, have dont mind spending money on redundancy which is why mweb generally works18:20
Symmetria:p18:20
smilecan't they use flexible cables.. :P18:20
smile:p18:20
SymmetriaCantide lol, better that than what happened to my mouse :(18:21
Cantidelol18:21
smileSymmetria: oh tell us :)18:21
Cantidewhat happened to yours?18:21
Symmetria(my dog stole it and chewed it up)18:21
smile;o18:21
Cantidei had to restart and it's now okay18:21
Cantidehahaha18:21
Cantidenasty!18:21
Cantidemy dog once destroyed my R 400 headphones, but my friend repaired them :)18:21
Symmetrialol my dogs view on life is pretty simple, there are certain very basic rules18:21
Symmetriaif its smaller than her and moves, hunt it and kill it18:21
Cantidehahaha18:22
Cantidenice dog :)18:22
Symmetriaif it fits in her mouth, chew it 18:22
Cantideshe's not 5'8" is she?18:22
Symmetriaand if its sand, dig it up 18:22
Symmetria:p18:22
Symmetriacantide lol, she's a year old and weighs like, 30 odd kilograms, she's not exactly small18:22
Cantidewhew, i'm safe at least18:22
Cantideand so is my dog18:22
Symmetriaand she's strong enough that if I stand on a piece of rope in the passageway, she can take the rope in her mouth and actually drag me down the passage18:22
Cantideo___o;;18:23
Symmetria(with almost no effort)18:23
Cantidewhat breed? 'o'18:23
Symmetriahehe love her to bits though (other than when she decides at 7am that its time to wake up and play, then I wanna kill her haha)18:23
Cantidei saw pictures of a pitbull / rottweiler puppy today... sooooo cute :)18:24
Symmetriashe's half weimeraner and half australian kelpie18:24
Cantidei know neither of those breeds ._.18:24
Symmetriashe gets the hunter nature from the weimeraner and the stamina and speed from the kelpie 18:24
Symmetriacantide heh weimeraners = german hunting dogs, very intelligent, very strong18:24
Symmetriakelpies = type of dog they used for sheep herding in the australian outback, built for speed and stamina18:25
Cantidejust saw that now on Wikipedia :p18:25
Symmetriakelpie can cover 100 kilometers a day while herding with no effort18:25
Symmetriacantide: http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie7.jpg18:26
Symmetrialol she was cold18:26
Symmetriaso I stuck a jersey on her18:26
Symmetria:P she hated it and ripped it into little shreds about 20 minutes after that photo though18:26
Cantidecool :D18:27
Cantidewell, not so cool for the jersey18:27
Cantidebut cool dog :)18:27
Symmetrialol, she's cute, just rather... strong willed 18:28
Symmetriaif Im sitting working at the computer and she wants me to play, she'll stare at me for a while, then bark at me if I ignore her, and if I keep ignoring her, jump up, stick her front paws on the desk and start trying to bite my hands :p18:28
Symmetria(not hard, but enough to make it impossible for me to keep typing lol)18:28
Cantidehahahha18:29
Cantidesmart :D18:29
Cantidehttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/P1010004.JPG here is my dog with my niece18:29
Symmetrialol cool :) 18:29
Symmetriamy dog LOVES kids18:29
Cantidesame :)18:30
Symmetriabut I generally dont let it near them 18:30
Symmetriabecause it doesnt realize its own strength18:30
smilebye18:30
Symmetriaits like, YAY! KIDLET! SOMETHING TO JUMP ON! 18:30
Symmetrialol18:30
Symmetriabye smile 18:30
Cantideyeah, my dog almost clawed my niece in the face - he thought he was just playing though18:30
Cantidebye bye smile 'o'18:30
smilesee ya :)18:30
smileCantide & Symmetria: good night18:30
smile:)18:30
Cantideso we generally keep him away because he gets too excited18:30
Cantidegood night :_18:30
Cantide:) *18:30
Symmetriapoor kidlet gets licked half to death and jumped on so yeah I keep her away, the other thing bout my dog though if she's at the park with me on a leash18:31
SymmetriaI always check before I go into the park that there aint kids around18:31
Cantidelol18:31
Symmetriabecause haha I was walking her one day and some kid went past on a skate board18:31
Cantidei check for kids *cough*18:31
Symmetriadog saw that as an invitation to play and chase the kid18:31
Symmetria:P I ended up on my face 18:31
Cantidehahaha18:31
Symmetriadog wants to run and suddenly takes off, lol, no chance of holding her back18:32
Cantideyeah, my dog walks me; so i leave it for someone else to do18:32
Symmetriaanyway dude :) IM off to read book while waiting for obama's speech tonight, which I wanna see joust to see if he's actually got what it takes to convince people that he can beat that other moron18:32
Symmetria:P18:32
Symmetriawould be very very very bad for the whole world if the other moron got elected18:33
Symmetriaromney = an american almost as stupid as julius malema :P18:33
Cantidehaha18:34
Cantideyeah18:34
Cantideand Obama is really good at speaking18:34
Cantidei'm reading a book right now '-'18:34
Cantidegood night :p18:34
Symmetriagnight :)18:38
charlvngood evening19:20
charlvnmy cable internet works! yay19:20
charlvnat my new appartment19:20
charlvnhttp://www.speedtest.net/result/2163849195.png19:22
charlvnwow, my wifi is a lot slower : http://www.speedtest.net/result/2163875614.png19:27
* Kerbero don't do speedtests. They are too expensive.19:29
Kerberohttp://www.speedtest.net/result/2163890408.png19:34
Kerberobut it is to cape town19:34
Kerberoso not a good test19:34
magespawngood night all20:21
charlvnKerbero: is that your internet at home? that's pretty good, looks like glass fibre20:54
charlvnmagespawn: good night20:55
Kerberolol20:55
Kerberothat is my internet in the office20:56
Kerberosame ISP as at home20:56
Kerberobut the wifi link to home is much slower20:56
Kerberoand yes, upstream is a fiber20:56
charlvnKerbero: ah ok, gigabit ethernet?20:58
charlvnonly way to get that at home is fibre20:58
Kerberojip20:59
Kerberobut as i said, that is to cape town20:59
Kerberoto london is only like 20mbps21:00
charlvnKerbero: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/83887/breedband-arnhem-komt-met-1gbps-glasvezelabonnement.html21:01
charlvnhmmmm, that's weird21:01
charlvnmaybe the speed test server is on the wan?21:01
Kerberosomething like that yes21:02
charlvni don't live in arnhem though but i don't care either, what i have at home is enough for me21:03
Kerberoi pay per megabyte21:03
Kerberoso fast internet is bad for me21:03
charlvnhe?! that's weird, what's the point of having all that bandwidth then21:04
charlvnmy internet at work is a little slower than yours but at least it's unlimited, at home too21:04
charlvnflat-rate in any case21:04
charlvn1 sec21:04
charlvnhttp://i.imgur.com/YXWFs.png21:08
charlvnsorry i took a screenshot and uploaded it, otherwise you can see where i work (we have our own ip address range)21:08
Kerberohaha21:09
Kerberook21:09
charlvnactually the internet connection is significantly faster but network is under very heavy load most of the time21:10
charlvnthe local link is gigabit ethernet but our total internet is probably around 100gbps21:10
Kerberodoing what21:10
charlvnwell, let's put it this way, it's being put to good use :)21:11
Kerberohaha21:11
Kerberoi need a cheap vps21:11
charlvnhetzner21:11
charlvn< 8 euro per month21:11
Kerberodat is veel21:12
charlvnyou can even go much cheaper but hetzner is reliable21:12
Kerberoik zoek <2euro21:12
charlvner zijn wel wat nederlandse hosting providers wat veel goedkoper zijn dan hetzner21:12
Kerberodat is wat ik op zoek naar ben21:13
Kerberoenige namen mischien?21:13
charlvnmaar qua kwaliteit weet ik niet of ze zo goed zijn21:13
charlvneven denken hoor...21:14
charlvnbah ik kan nu echt niet meer aan de namen komen21:15
Kerberoo just tell me later if you remember21:15
charlvnik had het nog de andere dag erover op een andere kanaal21:15
charlvnok, ja ik moet weer even vragen op #ipv6 of efnet of zo21:15
Kerberoja ipv6...21:16
charlvner zijn teveel bedrijven wat met die type spul bezig zijn21:16
Kerberodat is een van de redes waarom ik een vps wilt21:16
Kerberoopenvpn -> http proxy -> vps21:16
charlvnje kan zomaar met openssh ook een ad-hoc vpn configureren21:16
charlvneven denken...21:17
charlvnah hier is het21:20
charlvnhttp://www.tilaa.nl/21:20
charlvndaar had we het over21:20
Kerberoahh ok21:21
charlvnook zo een rare naam :P21:21
Kerberodat is al voordeliger21:21
charlvnje gaat niet echt heel veel goedkoper dan dat vinden hoor21:22
charlvnwant als je nog goedkoper ga dan kreeg je gewoon kutdienst enzo21:22
Kerberohaha21:22
Kerberook21:22
charlvnmaar ik moet in de douche en dan in bed want ik val bijna van me stoel af :P21:23
charlvndoei!21:23
Kerberowelteruste21:23
charlvndank je21:23
Kerberoen bedankt21:23
charlvnnp!21:23
Kerberoso much fun to practice one's dutch for a change21:23

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