[05:19] <Squirm> morning
[05:31] <Kilos> morning all
[06:30] <sakhi> morning
[06:39] <Symmetria> sakhi
[06:39] <Symmetria> you guys are using fortinet right?
[06:39] <Symmetria> thats your only firewall?
[06:39] <Kilos> hi Tonberry nlsthzn sakhi Symmetria 
[06:39] <nlsthzn> Hello uncle Kilos 
[06:46] <superfly> o/
[06:46] <Kilos> yo superfly 
[06:48]  * Symmetria blows up checkpoint
[06:49] <Symmetria> checkpoint firewalls would look so much prettier in a ball of fire with little bits of themselves flying everywhere
[06:49] <Symmetria> :p
[06:54] <sakhi> ohi Symmetria yes we still are
[06:57] <sakhi> checkpoint is not too bad the only complication is upgrading to name a few.
[06:58] <sakhi> overall if you use PF firewall (FreeBSD) checkpoint wont be too bad ;)
[06:59] <Squirm> hi
[07:04] <nlsthzn> hi superfly , Symmetria , Squirm ... and all the other SSSS'ssssss
[07:04] <superfly> haha, hi nlsthzn
[07:05] <Squirm> ^^
[07:18] <magespawn> good morning
[07:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn Squirm 
[07:31] <magespawn> whats up Kilos?
[07:31] <Kilos> lotsa cold miserable windy weather and only 4mm rain last night
[07:31] <Kilos> and there
[07:34] <magespawn> lots of rain, about 90mm, and cold.
[07:34] <Kilos> aw share
[07:35] <Kilos> will accept the cold if we get that kinda rain as well
[07:46] <Squirm> we had a fair amount of rain
[08:05] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[08:05] <aquarat> hey Kilos
[08:05] <aquarat> I was on my phone yesterday when you said hello
[08:05] <aquarat> not that it's important
[08:07] <Kilos> lol you guys and youre clever fones
[08:07] <aquarat> :P
[08:07] <aquarat> a clever phone from 2004 could do irc ;)
[08:07] <Kilos> i find them a pain to use for texting
[08:08] <Kilos> ya ive used jedirc on my nokia but what a schlep
[08:08] <aquarat> the htc desire-z is android based... and it has a full keyboard
[08:09] <Kilos> no man full keyboard is 500mm wide
[08:09] <aquarat> a full keyboard has all the buttons of a normal keyboard
[08:10] <aquarat> it could be as big or small as you want
[08:10] <Kilos> no man eyes dont see small
[08:10] <Kilos> hehe
[08:10] <aquarat> :P
[08:10] <Kilos> eye
[08:11] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[08:11] <morgs> hi Kilos 
[08:26] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[12:24] <psyatw> wow, I can't believe I didn't add this channel to irssi so far
[12:27] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[12:27] <Kilos> lo Banlam bakuman charlvn 
[12:27] <Kilos> barns too
[12:28] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[12:28] <Kilos> yo inetpro hoe veel reen het jy gekry
[12:29] <Kilos> storming here but raining other side the mountain
[12:29] <inetpro> eisjh Kilos, kyk j7y nooit na twitter nie?
[12:29] <inetpro> 3mm aan my kant van die berg
[12:29] <Kilos> eish en 4mm hier
[12:29] <inetpro> good afternoon everyone
[12:30] <Squirm> it's still raining here
[12:30] <Kilos> ek gaan net met ubuntuza twitter toe
[12:30] <Kilos> you in jhb Squirm ?
[12:30] <Squirm> Kilos: Mooi River
[12:31] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:31] <Kilos> big storm blowing over here to jhb
[12:31] <Squirm> am glad water polo is cancelled for today, was meant to play down in Hillcrest
[12:31] <Kilos> whew
[12:31] <Squirm> wouldn't have been pleasant
[12:32] <Kilos> the good guys never get rain
[12:32] <Kilos> hoe groter die sonde hoe groter die genade
[12:33] <Kilos> how kan i change my password on 12.04
[12:33] <Kilos> googled but its all about when installing
[12:36] <inetpro> Kilos: cli
[12:36] <inetpro> passwd
[12:36] <Kilos> wow so easy?
[12:37] <Squirm> yep
[12:37] <Squirm> and if you're root, you can specify a users password you want to change
[12:38] <Squirm> passwd username_here
[12:38] <Kilos> Bad: new and old password must differ by more than just case
[12:38] <Squirm> if you have root
[12:38] <Kilos> its the one case i wanna change
[12:38] <Kilos> will have to do it twice
[12:38] <Squirm> do it from there, then you can force it
[12:39] <Kilos> oh ok i try
[12:39] <Squirm> so switch to root on the command line, then type passwd Kilos
[12:39] <Squirm> or whatever the username you want to change
[12:40]  * inetpro just looked out the window
[12:40] <inetpro> Kilos: WOW!!!
[12:40] <inetpro> such dark clouds!?
[12:41] <Squirm> lol
[12:41] <Kilos> yeah very dark
[12:41] <inetpro> EISH!!
[12:41] <Kilos> its like evening already
[12:41] <Squirm> its been like that all day...
[12:41]  * inetpro hoping that it will get batter later
[12:41] <inetpro> better*
[12:41] <Kilos> it gonna batter you
[12:42] <Kilos> hehe
[12:42] <inetpro> :-(
[12:42] <Kilos> big wind so it should blow over by hometime inetpro 
[12:43] <inetpro> Kilos: cool, now I feel better
[12:43] <Kilos> haha
[12:44] <Kilos> i gotta talk to mrs_fly and ask her to bite off the tongue next time superfly sticks it out at me
[12:47] <Kilos> :=P is a tongue smiley hey
[12:47] <Kilos> eish
[12:47] <Kilos> :-P
[13:16] <inetpro> Kilos: ok this is not funny
[13:19] <inetpro> it's like the dark of night in Pretoria now
[13:50] <Kilos> power died , 22mm rain in 30 mins and now sunshine
[13:59] <tumbleweed> summary of a hug discussion un ubuntu-devel at the moment: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/514856/c9d2a8e40226b122/
[14:01] <Kilos> hi rsimpson 
[14:01] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:15] <Kilos> haha hiya SilverCode 
[14:15] <Kilos> long story there tumbleweed 
[14:25] <Kilos> superfly, hows zak?
[14:26] <superfly> feeling slightly better, it seems.
[14:30] <tumbleweed> Kilos: the e-mail thread is 10 times longer :/
[14:31] <tumbleweed> and the spec they proposed is rediculously long
[14:39] <Kilos> ah ty for giving thew shortened version
[14:39] <Kilos> the
[14:56] <Squirm> been raining all day
[14:56] <Squirm> since like 7pm last night
[14:58] <Kilos> yeah natal rains lekker, not just storms now and again
[14:59] <Squirm> lekker?
[14:59] <Squirm> it hasn't been over 10
[14:59] <Squirm> deg
[15:00] <Kilos> yeah well mooiriver is a very cold place in winter
[15:00] <Kilos> but at least not cold and dead like up here
[15:23] <Hodgestar> tumbleweed: Is Ubuntu seriously dropping support for Unity2D in the next release? If so I will probably be forced to switch distros or buy a new laptop -- not exactly a choice I'm excited about being left with.
[15:24] <Hodgestar> Or is that just a Live CD thing?
[15:24] <tumbleweed> Hodgestar: it's already gone
[15:25] <Hodgestar> As in totally gone?
[15:25] <tumbleweed> there's gnome3 (llvmpipe), unity (llvmpipe) and gnome 3 fallback mode
[15:25] <tumbleweed> yes
[15:25] <tumbleweed> (plus all the other DEs, of course)
[15:25] <Hodgestar> Wait, what?
[15:25] <Hodgestar> Oh, you mean the others are still there?
[15:25] <tumbleweed> gnome 3 fallback mode still exists, right?
[15:26] <tumbleweed> yeah
[15:26] <Hodgestar> The problem with all the other options is that they're essentially not supported.
[15:26] <Hodgestar> Out of the box they're just messed up.
[15:26] <tumbleweed> they're supported. if tehy're messed up, we must fix them
[15:26] <Hodgestar> I know because confluence spends days of her time sort that stuff out for Fluxx box.
[15:26] <Hodgestar> s/sort/sorting/
[15:27] <Hodgestar> I was essentially in the same boat with Awesome.
[15:27] <tumbleweed> what problems are we talking about?
[15:29] <Hodgestar> Nothing useful loads by default when one starts Awesome. Programs flake out because they're expecting some obscure Gnome or Unity settings thing to be running.
[15:29] <tumbleweed> I don't think that's anything ubuntu-specific
[15:30] <Hodgestar> It's not one problem. It's just that it's a long way outside the core Ubuntu user base so the rough edges aren't ironed off.
[15:30] <tumbleweed> gnome programs expect to be run in gnome (and possibly KDE) they don't tend to think about everything else
[15:30] <tumbleweed> Hodgestar: it's a long way outside the core Ubuntu user base, but it's par for the Ubuntu developer user base
[15:30] <tumbleweed> a fair number of people run crazy obscure WMs
[15:31] <Hodgestar> Well, they're obviously gluing everyting back together with custom config they don't bother to commit back.
[15:31] <Hodgestar> Either that or all they want is a short-cut key that leads to a terminal. :P
[15:32] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's most of them :)
[15:32] <tumbleweed> that's certainly me
[15:32] <tumbleweed> web browsers are also useful
[15:33] <tumbleweed> ah, here's the blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gnome-plans-review
[15:34] <tumbleweed> (and, btw, lots of people are grumbling that they can't quantal Ubuntu in VMs. The llvmpipe support in compiz has been improving slowly...)
[15:52] <Hodgestar> Well, at least there is some hope then. :)
[15:52] <Hodgestar> My machine can't really run VMs that usefully.
[15:52] <Hodgestar> At least not in addition to other things like a web browser.
[15:53] <tumbleweed> time for a new machine :)
[15:56] <Hodgestar> But this one has parts I soldered myself!
[16:02] <Kilos> haha @ Hodgestar 
[16:03] <Kilos> makes it part of the family hey
[16:03] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[16:03] <Cantide> evening '-'
[16:31] <charlvn> good evening
[16:31] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[16:31]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:31] <charlvn> hi Kilos, Hodgestar, tumbleweed 
[16:32] <charlvn> hi Cantide 
[16:32] <Cantide> hey charlvn :p
[16:33] <charlvn> been working on a piece of code today: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1189242
[16:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[16:36] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[16:36] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[16:36] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[16:37] <charlvn> ok i have to run off again
[16:37] <charlvn> bbl
[16:37] <Kilos> later then
[16:38] <Cantide> i was still digesting the code
[16:38] <Cantide> my stomach doesn't like java much though :<
[17:09] <inetpro> good evening
[17:10] <inetpro> Kilos: at least I'm still dry and in one peace
[17:16] <Kilos> yay inetpro 
[17:24] <inetpro> big flooding under the first train bridge in Paul Kruger street on the way to Pretoria North
[17:24] <inetpro> causing havoc for normal traffic
[17:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:27] <inetpro> people really like packing up close together when it's like this
[17:27] <inetpro> everyone clearly very agitated 
[17:28] <inetpro> but luckily I was able to pass through
[17:28] <Cantide> i would have passed out ._.
[17:28] <inetpro> :-)
[17:28] <Kilos> yeah bikes have major advantages at times
[17:28]  * Cantide dislikes heavy traffic
[17:28]  * inetpro bbl
[17:48] <magespawn_> evening all
[17:49] <Cantide> good evening '<
[17:49] <magespawn_> hey Cantide
[17:50] <Kilos> hey magespawn_ 
[17:51] <magespawn_> hey Kilos
[17:58] <magespawn_> wonder where the tail came from, lol
[17:59] <superfly> inetpro: *piece
[18:00] <inetpro> superfly: true, thanks
[18:00] <Symmetria> wierd, all dstv seems to have died in my area and I dont think its cloud cover
[18:00] <Symmetria> and you cant get through to their damn pe call centre
[18:03] <Symmetria> wow, cant get through to ANY of their call centre numbers
[18:12] <smile> Symmetria: typical
[18:13] <Kerbero> Symmetria: maybe the uplink in joburg died
[18:18] <Symmetria> heh
[18:18] <Symmetria> its back
[18:18] <Symmetria> but it was out country wide 
[18:18] <Symmetria> so whatever it was, it wasnt pretty :P and I bet they were panicing
[18:18] <Kerbero> ofc
[18:19] <Kerbero> i really won't be surprised if it was the uplink as i hear it is raining very hard up in the country
[18:19] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero you'd expect them to have redundant uplinks though
[18:19] <Symmetria> in different points in the country
[18:20] <Kerbero> hehe
[18:20] <Kerbero> it's dstv...
[18:20] <Kerbero> lol
[18:20] <smile> Kerbero: I hate webcams ;)
[18:20] <Cantide> my mouse was lagging, keyboard input lagging and my num-lock light was blinking sporadically :-S
[18:20] <Kerbero> o
[18:20] <Symmetria> Kerbero actually they generally pretty jacked in my dealings with them lol, have dont mind spending money on redundancy which is why mweb generally works
[18:20] <Symmetria> :p
[18:20] <smile> can't they use flexible cables.. :P
[18:20] <smile> :p
[18:21] <Symmetria> Cantide lol, better that than what happened to my mouse :(
[18:21] <Cantide> lol
[18:21] <smile> Symmetria: oh tell us :)
[18:21] <Cantide> what happened to yours?
[18:21] <Symmetria> (my dog stole it and chewed it up)
[18:21] <smile> ;o
[18:21] <Cantide> i had to restart and it's now okay
[18:21] <Cantide> hahaha
[18:21] <Cantide> nasty!
[18:21] <Cantide> my dog once destroyed my R 400 headphones, but my friend repaired them :)
[18:21] <Symmetria> lol my dogs view on life is pretty simple, there are certain very basic rules
[18:21] <Symmetria> if its smaller than her and moves, hunt it and kill it
[18:22] <Cantide> hahaha
[18:22] <Cantide> nice dog :)
[18:22] <Symmetria> if it fits in her mouth, chew it 
[18:22] <Cantide> she's not 5'8" is she?
[18:22] <Symmetria> and if its sand, dig it up 
[18:22] <Symmetria> :p
[18:22] <Symmetria> cantide lol, she's a year old and weighs like, 30 odd kilograms, she's not exactly small
[18:22] <Cantide> whew, i'm safe at least
[18:22] <Cantide> and so is my dog
[18:22] <Symmetria> and she's strong enough that if I stand on a piece of rope in the passageway, she can take the rope in her mouth and actually drag me down the passage
[18:23] <Cantide> o___o;;
[18:23] <Symmetria> (with almost no effort)
[18:23] <Cantide> what breed? 'o'
[18:23] <Symmetria> hehe love her to bits though (other than when she decides at 7am that its time to wake up and play, then I wanna kill her haha)
[18:24] <Cantide> i saw pictures of a pitbull / rottweiler puppy today... sooooo cute :)
[18:24] <Symmetria> she's half weimeraner and half australian kelpie
[18:24] <Cantide> i know neither of those breeds ._.
[18:24] <Symmetria> she gets the hunter nature from the weimeraner and the stamina and speed from the kelpie 
[18:24] <Symmetria> cantide heh weimeraners = german hunting dogs, very intelligent, very strong
[18:25] <Symmetria> kelpies = type of dog they used for sheep herding in the australian outback, built for speed and stamina
[18:25] <Cantide> just saw that now on Wikipedia :p
[18:25] <Symmetria> kelpie can cover 100 kilometers a day while herding with no effort
[18:26] <Symmetria> cantide: http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie7.jpg
[18:26] <Symmetria> lol she was cold
[18:26] <Symmetria> so I stuck a jersey on her
[18:26] <Symmetria> :P she hated it and ripped it into little shreds about 20 minutes after that photo though
[18:27] <Cantide> cool :D
[18:27] <Cantide> well, not so cool for the jersey
[18:27] <Cantide> but cool dog :)
[18:28] <Symmetria> lol, she's cute, just rather... strong willed 
[18:28] <Symmetria> if Im sitting working at the computer and she wants me to play, she'll stare at me for a while, then bark at me if I ignore her, and if I keep ignoring her, jump up, stick her front paws on the desk and start trying to bite my hands :p
[18:28] <Symmetria> (not hard, but enough to make it impossible for me to keep typing lol)
[18:29] <Cantide> hahahha
[18:29] <Cantide> smart :D
[18:29] <Cantide> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/P1010004.JPG here is my dog with my niece
[18:29] <Symmetria> lol cool :) 
[18:29] <Symmetria> my dog LOVES kids
[18:30] <Cantide> same :)
[18:30] <Symmetria> but I generally dont let it near them 
[18:30] <Symmetria> because it doesnt realize its own strength
[18:30] <smile> bye
[18:30] <Symmetria> its like, YAY! KIDLET! SOMETHING TO JUMP ON! 
[18:30] <Symmetria> lol
[18:30] <Symmetria> bye smile 
[18:30] <Cantide> yeah, my dog almost clawed my niece in the face - he thought he was just playing though
[18:30] <Cantide> bye bye smile 'o'
[18:30] <smile> see ya :)
[18:30] <smile> Cantide & Symmetria: good night
[18:30] <smile> :)
[18:30] <Cantide> so we generally keep him away because he gets too excited
[18:30] <Cantide> good night :_
[18:30] <Cantide> :) *
[18:31] <Symmetria> poor kidlet gets licked half to death and jumped on so yeah I keep her away, the other thing bout my dog though if she's at the park with me on a leash
[18:31] <Symmetria> I always check before I go into the park that there aint kids around
[18:31] <Cantide> lol
[18:31] <Symmetria> because haha I was walking her one day and some kid went past on a skate board
[18:31] <Cantide> i check for kids *cough*
[18:31] <Symmetria> dog saw that as an invitation to play and chase the kid
[18:31] <Symmetria> :P I ended up on my face 
[18:31] <Cantide> hahaha
[18:32] <Symmetria> dog wants to run and suddenly takes off, lol, no chance of holding her back
[18:32] <Cantide> yeah, my dog walks me; so i leave it for someone else to do
[18:32] <Symmetria> anyway dude :) IM off to read book while waiting for obama's speech tonight, which I wanna see joust to see if he's actually got what it takes to convince people that he can beat that other moron
[18:32] <Symmetria> :P
[18:33] <Symmetria> would be very very very bad for the whole world if the other moron got elected
[18:33] <Symmetria> romney = an american almost as stupid as julius malema :P
[18:34] <Cantide> haha
[18:34] <Cantide> yeah
[18:34] <Cantide> and Obama is really good at speaking
[18:34] <Cantide> i'm reading a book right now '-'
[18:34] <Cantide> good night :p
[18:38] <Symmetria> gnight :)
[19:20] <charlvn> good evening
[19:20] <charlvn> my cable internet works! yay
[19:20] <charlvn> at my new appartment
[19:22] <charlvn> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2163849195.png
[19:27] <charlvn> wow, my wifi is a lot slower : http://www.speedtest.net/result/2163875614.png
[19:29]  * Kerbero don't do speedtests. They are too expensive.
[19:34] <Kerbero> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2163890408.png
[19:34] <Kerbero> but it is to cape town
[19:34] <Kerbero> so not a good test
[20:21] <magespawn> good night all
[20:54] <charlvn> Kerbero: is that your internet at home? that's pretty good, looks like glass fibre
[20:55] <charlvn> magespawn: good night
[20:55] <Kerbero> lol
[20:56] <Kerbero> that is my internet in the office
[20:56] <Kerbero> same ISP as at home
[20:56] <Kerbero> but the wifi link to home is much slower
[20:56] <Kerbero> and yes, upstream is a fiber
[20:58] <charlvn> Kerbero: ah ok, gigabit ethernet?
[20:58] <charlvn> only way to get that at home is fibre
[20:59] <Kerbero> jip
[20:59] <Kerbero> but as i said, that is to cape town
[21:00] <Kerbero> to london is only like 20mbps
[21:01] <charlvn> Kerbero: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/83887/breedband-arnhem-komt-met-1gbps-glasvezelabonnement.html
[21:01] <charlvn> hmmmm, that's weird
[21:01] <charlvn> maybe the speed test server is on the wan?
[21:02] <Kerbero> something like that yes
[21:03] <charlvn> i don't live in arnhem though but i don't care either, what i have at home is enough for me
[21:03] <Kerbero> i pay per megabyte
[21:03] <Kerbero> so fast internet is bad for me
[21:04] <charlvn> he?! that's weird, what's the point of having all that bandwidth then
[21:04] <charlvn> my internet at work is a little slower than yours but at least it's unlimited, at home too
[21:04] <charlvn> flat-rate in any case
[21:04] <charlvn> 1 sec
[21:08] <charlvn> http://i.imgur.com/YXWFs.png
[21:08] <charlvn> sorry i took a screenshot and uploaded it, otherwise you can see where i work (we have our own ip address range)
[21:09] <Kerbero> haha
[21:09] <Kerbero> ok
[21:10] <charlvn> actually the internet connection is significantly faster but network is under very heavy load most of the time
[21:10] <charlvn> the local link is gigabit ethernet but our total internet is probably around 100gbps
[21:10] <Kerbero> doing what
[21:11] <charlvn> well, let's put it this way, it's being put to good use :)
[21:11] <Kerbero> haha
[21:11] <Kerbero> i need a cheap vps
[21:11] <charlvn> hetzner
[21:11] <charlvn> < 8 euro per month
[21:12] <Kerbero> dat is veel
[21:12] <charlvn> you can even go much cheaper but hetzner is reliable
[21:12] <Kerbero> ik zoek <2euro
[21:12] <charlvn> er zijn wel wat nederlandse hosting providers wat veel goedkoper zijn dan hetzner
[21:13] <Kerbero> dat is wat ik op zoek naar ben
[21:13] <Kerbero> enige namen mischien?
[21:13] <charlvn> maar qua kwaliteit weet ik niet of ze zo goed zijn
[21:14] <charlvn> even denken hoor...
[21:15] <charlvn> bah ik kan nu echt niet meer aan de namen komen
[21:15] <Kerbero> o just tell me later if you remember
[21:15] <charlvn> ik had het nog de andere dag erover op een andere kanaal
[21:15] <charlvn> ok, ja ik moet weer even vragen op #ipv6 of efnet of zo
[21:16] <Kerbero> ja ipv6...
[21:16] <charlvn> er zijn teveel bedrijven wat met die type spul bezig zijn
[21:16] <Kerbero> dat is een van de redes waarom ik een vps wilt
[21:16] <Kerbero> openvpn -> http proxy -> vps
[21:16] <charlvn> je kan zomaar met openssh ook een ad-hoc vpn configureren
[21:17] <charlvn> even denken...
[21:20] <charlvn> ah hier is het
[21:20] <charlvn> http://www.tilaa.nl/
[21:20] <charlvn> daar had we het over
[21:21] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[21:21] <charlvn> ook zo een rare naam :P
[21:21] <Kerbero> dat is al voordeliger
[21:22] <charlvn> je gaat niet echt heel veel goedkoper dan dat vinden hoor
[21:22] <charlvn> want als je nog goedkoper ga dan kreeg je gewoon kutdienst enzo
[21:22] <Kerbero> haha
[21:22] <Kerbero> ok
[21:23] <charlvn> maar ik moet in de douche en dan in bed want ik val bijna van me stoel af :P
[21:23] <charlvn> doei!
[21:23] <Kerbero> welteruste
[21:23] <charlvn> dank je
[21:23] <Kerbero> en bedankt
[21:23] <charlvn> np!
[21:23] <Kerbero> so much fun to practice one's dutch for a change