[05:19] morning [05:31] morning all [06:30] morning [06:39] sakhi [06:39] you guys are using fortinet right? [06:39] thats your only firewall? [06:39] hi Tonberry nlsthzn sakhi Symmetria [06:39] Hello uncle Kilos [06:46] o/ [06:46] yo superfly [06:48] * Symmetria blows up checkpoint [06:49] checkpoint firewalls would look so much prettier in a ball of fire with little bits of themselves flying everywhere [06:49] :p [06:54] ohi Symmetria yes we still are [06:57] checkpoint is not too bad the only complication is upgrading to name a few. [06:58] overall if you use PF firewall (FreeBSD) checkpoint wont be too bad ;) [06:59] hi [07:04] hi superfly , Symmetria , Squirm ... and all the other SSSS'ssssss [07:04] haha, hi nlsthzn [07:05] ^^ [07:18] good morning [07:19] hi magespawn Squirm [07:31] whats up Kilos? [07:31] lotsa cold miserable windy weather and only 4mm rain last night [07:31] and there [07:34] lots of rain, about 90mm, and cold. [07:34] aw share [07:35] will accept the cold if we get that kinda rain as well [07:46] we had a fair amount of rain [08:05] hi aquarat [08:05] hey Kilos [08:05] I was on my phone yesterday when you said hello [08:05] not that it's important [08:07] lol you guys and youre clever fones [08:07] :P [08:07] a clever phone from 2004 could do irc ;) [08:07] i find them a pain to use for texting [08:08] ya ive used jedirc on my nokia but what a schlep [08:08] the htc desire-z is android based... and it has a full keyboard [08:09] no man full keyboard is 500mm wide [08:09] a full keyboard has all the buttons of a normal keyboard [08:10] it could be as big or small as you want [08:10] no man eyes dont see small [08:10] hehe [08:10] :P [08:10] eye [08:11] hi morgs [08:11] hi Kilos [08:26] hi jrgns [12:24] wow, I can't believe I didn't add this channel to irssi so far [12:27] hi psyatw [12:27] lo Banlam bakuman charlvn [12:27] barns too [12:28] hi Kilos [12:28] yo inetpro hoe veel reen het jy gekry [12:29] storming here but raining other side the mountain [12:29] eisjh Kilos, kyk j7y nooit na twitter nie? [12:29] 3mm aan my kant van die berg [12:29] eish en 4mm hier [12:29] good afternoon everyone [12:30] it's still raining here [12:30] ek gaan net met ubuntuza twitter toe [12:30] you in jhb Squirm ? [12:30] Kilos: Mooi River [12:31] oh ya [12:31] big storm blowing over here to jhb [12:31] am glad water polo is cancelled for today, was meant to play down in Hillcrest [12:31] whew [12:31] wouldn't have been pleasant [12:32] the good guys never get rain [12:32] hoe groter die sonde hoe groter die genade [12:33] how kan i change my password on 12.04 [12:33] googled but its all about when installing [12:36] Kilos: cli [12:36] passwd [12:36] wow so easy? [12:37] yep [12:37] and if you're root, you can specify a users password you want to change [12:38] passwd username_here [12:38] Bad: new and old password must differ by more than just case [12:38] if you have root [12:38] its the one case i wanna change [12:38] will have to do it twice [12:38] do it from there, then you can force it [12:39] oh ok i try [12:39] so switch to root on the command line, then type passwd Kilos [12:39] or whatever the username you want to change [12:40] * inetpro just looked out the window [12:40] Kilos: WOW!!! [12:40] such dark clouds!? [12:41] lol [12:41] yeah very dark [12:41] EISH!! [12:41] its like evening already [12:41] its been like that all day... [12:41] * inetpro hoping that it will get batter later [12:41] better* [12:41] it gonna batter you [12:42] hehe [12:42] :-( [12:42] big wind so it should blow over by hometime inetpro [12:43] Kilos: cool, now I feel better [12:43] haha [12:44] i gotta talk to mrs_fly and ask her to bite off the tongue next time superfly sticks it out at me [12:47] :=P is a tongue smiley hey [12:47] eish [12:47] :-P [13:16] Kilos: ok this is not funny [13:19] it's like the dark of night in Pretoria now [13:50] power died , 22mm rain in 30 mins and now sunshine [13:59] summary of a hug discussion un ubuntu-devel at the moment: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/514856/c9d2a8e40226b122/ [14:01] hi rsimpson [14:01] welcome to ubuntu-za === rsimpson is now known as SilverCode [14:15] haha hiya SilverCode [14:15] long story there tumbleweed [14:25] superfly, hows zak? [14:26] feeling slightly better, it seems. [14:30] Kilos: the e-mail thread is 10 times longer :/ [14:31] and the spec they proposed is rediculously long [14:39] ah ty for giving thew shortened version [14:39] the === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [14:56] been raining all day [14:56] since like 7pm last night [14:58] yeah natal rains lekker, not just storms now and again [14:59] lekker? [14:59] it hasn't been over 10 [14:59] deg [15:00] yeah well mooiriver is a very cold place in winter [15:00] but at least not cold and dead like up here [15:23] tumbleweed: Is Ubuntu seriously dropping support for Unity2D in the next release? If so I will probably be forced to switch distros or buy a new laptop -- not exactly a choice I'm excited about being left with. [15:24] Or is that just a Live CD thing? [15:24] Hodgestar: it's already gone [15:25] As in totally gone? [15:25] there's gnome3 (llvmpipe), unity (llvmpipe) and gnome 3 fallback mode [15:25] yes [15:25] (plus all the other DEs, of course) [15:25] Wait, what? [15:25] Oh, you mean the others are still there? [15:25] gnome 3 fallback mode still exists, right? [15:26] yeah [15:26] The problem with all the other options is that they're essentially not supported. [15:26] Out of the box they're just messed up. [15:26] they're supported. if tehy're messed up, we must fix them [15:26] I know because confluence spends days of her time sort that stuff out for Fluxx box. [15:26] s/sort/sorting/ [15:27] I was essentially in the same boat with Awesome. [15:27] what problems are we talking about? [15:29] Nothing useful loads by default when one starts Awesome. Programs flake out because they're expecting some obscure Gnome or Unity settings thing to be running. [15:29] I don't think that's anything ubuntu-specific [15:30] It's not one problem. It's just that it's a long way outside the core Ubuntu user base so the rough edges aren't ironed off. [15:30] gnome programs expect to be run in gnome (and possibly KDE) they don't tend to think about everything else [15:30] Hodgestar: it's a long way outside the core Ubuntu user base, but it's par for the Ubuntu developer user base [15:30] a fair number of people run crazy obscure WMs [15:31] Well, they're obviously gluing everyting back together with custom config they don't bother to commit back. [15:31] Either that or all they want is a short-cut key that leads to a terminal. :P [15:32] yeah, that's most of them :) [15:32] that's certainly me [15:32] web browsers are also useful [15:33] ah, here's the blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gnome-plans-review [15:34] (and, btw, lots of people are grumbling that they can't quantal Ubuntu in VMs. The llvmpipe support in compiz has been improving slowly...) [15:52] Well, at least there is some hope then. :) [15:52] My machine can't really run VMs that usefully. [15:52] At least not in addition to other things like a web browser. [15:53] time for a new machine :) [15:56] But this one has parts I soldered myself! [16:02] haha @ Hodgestar [16:03] makes it part of the family hey [16:03] hi Cantide [16:03] evening '-' [16:31] good evening [16:31] Maaz: coffee on [16:31] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [16:31] hi Kilos, Hodgestar, tumbleweed [16:32] hi Cantide [16:32] hey charlvn :p [16:33] been working on a piece of code today: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1189242 [16:35] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [16:36] hi charlvn [16:36] Maaz: thanks [16:36] charlvn: Okay :-) [16:37] ok i have to run off again [16:37] bbl [16:37] later then [16:38] i was still digesting the code [16:38] my stomach doesn't like java much though :< [17:09] good evening [17:10] Kilos: at least I'm still dry and in one peace [17:16] yay inetpro [17:24] big flooding under the first train bridge in Paul Kruger street on the way to Pretoria North [17:24] causing havoc for normal traffic [17:26] sjoe [17:27] people really like packing up close together when it's like this [17:27] everyone clearly very agitated [17:28] but luckily I was able to pass through [17:28] i would have passed out ._. [17:28] :-) [17:28] yeah bikes have major advantages at times [17:28] * Cantide dislikes heavy traffic [17:28] * inetpro bbl === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === smile4ever is now known as smile [17:48] evening all [17:49] good evening '< [17:49] hey Cantide [17:50] hey magespawn_ [17:51] hey Kilos [17:58] wonder where the tail came from, lol === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [17:59] inetpro: *piece [18:00] superfly: true, thanks [18:00] wierd, all dstv seems to have died in my area and I dont think its cloud cover [18:00] and you cant get through to their damn pe call centre [18:03] wow, cant get through to ANY of their call centre numbers [18:12] Symmetria: typical [18:13] Symmetria: maybe the uplink in joburg died [18:18] heh [18:18] its back [18:18] but it was out country wide [18:18] so whatever it was, it wasnt pretty :P and I bet they were panicing [18:18] ofc [18:19] i really won't be surprised if it was the uplink as i hear it is raining very hard up in the country [18:19] heh Kerbero you'd expect them to have redundant uplinks though [18:19] in different points in the country [18:20] hehe [18:20] it's dstv... [18:20] lol [18:20] Kerbero: I hate webcams ;) [18:20] my mouse was lagging, keyboard input lagging and my num-lock light was blinking sporadically :-S [18:20] o [18:20] Kerbero actually they generally pretty jacked in my dealings with them lol, have dont mind spending money on redundancy which is why mweb generally works [18:20] :p [18:20] can't they use flexible cables.. :P [18:20] :p [18:21] Cantide lol, better that than what happened to my mouse :( [18:21] lol [18:21] Symmetria: oh tell us :) [18:21] what happened to yours? [18:21] (my dog stole it and chewed it up) [18:21] ;o [18:21] i had to restart and it's now okay [18:21] hahaha [18:21] nasty! [18:21] my dog once destroyed my R 400 headphones, but my friend repaired them :) [18:21] lol my dogs view on life is pretty simple, there are certain very basic rules [18:21] if its smaller than her and moves, hunt it and kill it [18:22] hahaha [18:22] nice dog :) [18:22] if it fits in her mouth, chew it [18:22] she's not 5'8" is she? [18:22] and if its sand, dig it up [18:22] :p [18:22] cantide lol, she's a year old and weighs like, 30 odd kilograms, she's not exactly small [18:22] whew, i'm safe at least [18:22] and so is my dog [18:22] and she's strong enough that if I stand on a piece of rope in the passageway, she can take the rope in her mouth and actually drag me down the passage [18:23] o___o;; [18:23] (with almost no effort) [18:23] what breed? 'o' [18:23] hehe love her to bits though (other than when she decides at 7am that its time to wake up and play, then I wanna kill her haha) [18:24] i saw pictures of a pitbull / rottweiler puppy today... sooooo cute :) [18:24] she's half weimeraner and half australian kelpie [18:24] i know neither of those breeds ._. [18:24] she gets the hunter nature from the weimeraner and the stamina and speed from the kelpie [18:24] cantide heh weimeraners = german hunting dogs, very intelligent, very strong [18:25] kelpies = type of dog they used for sheep herding in the australian outback, built for speed and stamina [18:25] just saw that now on Wikipedia :p [18:25] kelpie can cover 100 kilometers a day while herding with no effort [18:26] cantide: http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie7.jpg [18:26] lol she was cold [18:26] so I stuck a jersey on her [18:26] :P she hated it and ripped it into little shreds about 20 minutes after that photo though [18:27] cool :D [18:27] well, not so cool for the jersey [18:27] but cool dog :) [18:28] lol, she's cute, just rather... strong willed [18:28] if Im sitting working at the computer and she wants me to play, she'll stare at me for a while, then bark at me if I ignore her, and if I keep ignoring her, jump up, stick her front paws on the desk and start trying to bite my hands :p [18:28] (not hard, but enough to make it impossible for me to keep typing lol) [18:29] hahahha [18:29] smart :D [18:29] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/P1010004.JPG here is my dog with my niece [18:29] lol cool :) [18:29] my dog LOVES kids [18:30] same :) [18:30] but I generally dont let it near them [18:30] because it doesnt realize its own strength [18:30] bye [18:30] its like, YAY! KIDLET! SOMETHING TO JUMP ON! [18:30] lol [18:30] bye smile [18:30] yeah, my dog almost clawed my niece in the face - he thought he was just playing though [18:30] bye bye smile 'o' [18:30] see ya :) [18:30] Cantide & Symmetria: good night [18:30] :) [18:30] so we generally keep him away because he gets too excited [18:30] good night :_ [18:30] :) * [18:31] poor kidlet gets licked half to death and jumped on so yeah I keep her away, the other thing bout my dog though if she's at the park with me on a leash [18:31] I always check before I go into the park that there aint kids around [18:31] lol [18:31] because haha I was walking her one day and some kid went past on a skate board [18:31] i check for kids *cough* [18:31] dog saw that as an invitation to play and chase the kid [18:31] :P I ended up on my face [18:31] hahaha [18:32] dog wants to run and suddenly takes off, lol, no chance of holding her back [18:32] yeah, my dog walks me; so i leave it for someone else to do [18:32] anyway dude :) IM off to read book while waiting for obama's speech tonight, which I wanna see joust to see if he's actually got what it takes to convince people that he can beat that other moron [18:32] :P [18:33] would be very very very bad for the whole world if the other moron got elected [18:33] romney = an american almost as stupid as julius malema :P [18:34] haha [18:34] yeah [18:34] and Obama is really good at speaking [18:34] i'm reading a book right now '-' [18:34] good night :p [18:38] gnight :) [19:20] good evening [19:20] my cable internet works! yay [19:20] at my new appartment [19:22] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2163849195.png [19:27] wow, my wifi is a lot slower : http://www.speedtest.net/result/2163875614.png [19:29] * Kerbero don't do speedtests. They are too expensive. [19:34] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2163890408.png [19:34] but it is to cape town [19:34] so not a good test [20:21] good night all [20:54] Kerbero: is that your internet at home? that's pretty good, looks like glass fibre [20:55] magespawn: good night [20:55] lol [20:56] that is my internet in the office [20:56] same ISP as at home [20:56] but the wifi link to home is much slower [20:56] and yes, upstream is a fiber [20:58] Kerbero: ah ok, gigabit ethernet? [20:58] only way to get that at home is fibre [20:59] jip [20:59] but as i said, that is to cape town [21:00] to london is only like 20mbps [21:01] Kerbero: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/83887/breedband-arnhem-komt-met-1gbps-glasvezelabonnement.html [21:01] hmmmm, that's weird [21:01] maybe the speed test server is on the wan? [21:02] something like that yes [21:03] i don't live in arnhem though but i don't care either, what i have at home is enough for me [21:03] i pay per megabyte [21:03] so fast internet is bad for me [21:04] he?! that's weird, what's the point of having all that bandwidth then [21:04] my internet at work is a little slower than yours but at least it's unlimited, at home too [21:04] flat-rate in any case [21:04] 1 sec [21:08] http://i.imgur.com/YXWFs.png [21:08] sorry i took a screenshot and uploaded it, otherwise you can see where i work (we have our own ip address range) [21:09] haha [21:09] ok [21:10] actually the internet connection is significantly faster but network is under very heavy load most of the time [21:10] the local link is gigabit ethernet but our total internet is probably around 100gbps [21:10] doing what [21:11] well, let's put it this way, it's being put to good use :) [21:11] haha [21:11] i need a cheap vps [21:11] hetzner [21:11] < 8 euro per month [21:12] dat is veel [21:12] you can even go much cheaper but hetzner is reliable [21:12] ik zoek <2euro [21:12] er zijn wel wat nederlandse hosting providers wat veel goedkoper zijn dan hetzner [21:13] dat is wat ik op zoek naar ben [21:13] enige namen mischien? [21:13] maar qua kwaliteit weet ik niet of ze zo goed zijn [21:14] even denken hoor... [21:15] bah ik kan nu echt niet meer aan de namen komen [21:15] o just tell me later if you remember [21:15] ik had het nog de andere dag erover op een andere kanaal [21:15] ok, ja ik moet weer even vragen op #ipv6 of efnet of zo [21:16] ja ipv6... [21:16] er zijn teveel bedrijven wat met die type spul bezig zijn [21:16] dat is een van de redes waarom ik een vps wilt [21:16] openvpn -> http proxy -> vps [21:16] je kan zomaar met openssh ook een ad-hoc vpn configureren [21:17] even denken... [21:20] ah hier is het [21:20] http://www.tilaa.nl/ [21:20] daar had we het over [21:21] ahh ok [21:21] ook zo een rare naam :P [21:21] dat is al voordeliger [21:22] je gaat niet echt heel veel goedkoper dan dat vinden hoor [21:22] want als je nog goedkoper ga dan kreeg je gewoon kutdienst enzo [21:22] haha [21:22] ok [21:23] maar ik moet in de douche en dan in bed want ik val bijna van me stoel af :P [21:23] doei! [21:23] welteruste [21:23] dank je [21:23] en bedankt [21:23] np! [21:23] so much fun to practice one's dutch for a change