| ochosi | knome: in case that calms you down, ubiquity will at least be readable in quantal (after xnox's patches are merged) | 00:11 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | knome: there are still some problems, i commented on the respective bugreports | 00:11 |
| ochosi | knome: to be exact #1010487 and #924909 | 00:12 |
| ochosi | knome: for the latter i tested the fix we talked about (switch off compositor), created a branch and submitted that for review (if it doesn't get accepted, poke stgraber or cjwatson about it) | 00:13 |
| knome | ochosi, that's good news | 07:25 |
| knome | bug #1046667 | 07:32 |
| knome | ;) | 07:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1046667 in parole (Ubuntu) "Parole Media Player does not display gui correctly " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046667 | 07:32 |
| knome | gna, brb | 07:33 |
| elfy | that caught me out too :) | 07:35 |
| knome | what i don't completely understand is why didn't you both try to play a video? :) | 07:40 |
| knome | where would a vignetted image like that come from | 07:41 |
| elfy | I rarely play videos on the PC and use it for music sometimes :) | 07:48 |
| knome | bbl | 07:56 |
| mips1911 | anybody know the original upstream 'repo' for gvfs? | 07:57 |
| ochosi | knome: lol, nice parole error | 09:44 |
| elfy | are we not using the xubuntu wiki short/long tests anymore ? or is it just that all the testcase are the ones written by nskaggs on the tracker? | 09:46 |
| ochosi | knome: i'm marking our bug #1010487 as duplicate of this one #744283 | 10:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1010487 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu - black windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010487 | 10:20 |
| ochosi | knome: since the patch at least fixes the colors, i think that's fine | 10:20 |
| ochosi | maybe when ubiquity is properly patched the theme gets loaded properly as well with this patch | 10:21 |
| ochosi | otherwise we'll just report a new bug, i'd say | 10:21 |
| smartboyhw | Bug #744283 | 10:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 744283 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Steps "Preparing to install" and "Erase disk" are unreadable with high-contrast theme enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744283 | 10:21 |
| knome | ochosi, yup | 10:58 |
| ochosi | i've done it already anyway :) | 10:58 |
| ochosi | i also submitted a new, corrected, branch for review to ubiquity | 10:58 |
| knome | elfy, we should update the testcases on the QA tracker, yeah | 10:58 |
| knome | ochosi, did you read cjwatson's comments? | 10:59 |
| knome | ochosi, or was this corrected stuff about that | 10:59 |
| ochosi | sure, i just branched the wrong thing last night | 10:59 |
| ochosi | now the patch is as tiny as it should be | 10:59 |
| knome | yeah :D | 10:59 |
| knome | great | 10:59 |
| elfy | knome: so use the ones we were using previously - the wiki ones ? just don't want to waste my time :) | 10:59 |
| knome | huhu | 10:59 |
| knome | elfy, yes, run those | 10:59 |
| ochosi | g2g, prolly bbl | 10:59 |
| knome | elfy, they will be updated on the QA wiki in the following week | 11:00 |
| elfy | k cheers - I already had ... then saw this new testcase stuff and flipped out completely lol | 11:00 |
| knome | hehe | 11:00 |
| knome | yeah | 11:00 |
| knome | i should do it today or tomorrow | 11:00 |
| knome | as soon as i have time | 11:00 |
| knome | i'm now at a railway station so not willing to do it now :P | 11:01 |
| elfy | or whack a mail of to the list just to let people know | 11:01 |
| knome | lol | 11:01 |
| knome | if you can, that'd help ;) | 11:01 |
| elfy | or I can do one now and you can follow it up | 11:01 |
| knome | just say they will be moved to the tracker in a week | 11:01 |
| knome | and you should still run at least the short test | 11:01 |
| elfy | k - will do that right now - cos I am at home and drinking tea and not at a railway station :D | 11:01 |
| knome | anyway, i had a nice 2 hours with the guy running the linux courses | 11:02 |
| elfy | yea - well I run the short test and then the long test basically for milestones | 11:02 |
| knome | i think i just talked us up to 60 tests for beta2 | 11:02 |
| knome | and that's totally doable again with other releases... | 11:02 |
| knome | he was really excited about it all, so good sign for us | 11:02 |
| knome | maybe i'll even go there and talk a bit about linux.. | 11:03 |
| knome | elfy, and thanks for sending the email :) | 11:04 |
| elfy | welcome | 11:04 |
| knome | do you possible have time to look at the docs today? | 11:05 |
| knome | there are a few sections/subpages that only need reviewing | 11:05 |
| knome | if we got those reviewed and ACK'd, i could start converting them to docobok | 11:05 |
| knome | docbook too | 11:05 |
| knome | and we'd save ourself from some hassle | 11:05 |
| elfy | I can yea - got a bit frustrated earlier | 11:06 |
| knome | hehe | 11:06 |
| knome | things will look much more brighter when we get to review those pages | 11:06 |
| knome | and get them uploaded | 11:06 |
| knome | i think we have almost half on docbook then | 11:06 |
| elfy | excellent | 11:07 |
| knome | that might be positive thinking | 11:07 |
| knome | but at least we'll have quite a lot then | 11:07 |
| elfy | positice thinking is the best way | 11:07 |
| pnarciso | so, are going ahead with beta 1 or suspend until the install issues are fixed? | 11:07 |
| knome | it looks like we need to skip beta1 | 11:08 |
| elfy | knome: I'll send to xubuntu-devel/xubuntu-users and ubuntu-qa ? | 11:08 |
| knome | elfy, -devel is fine i think | 11:08 |
| knome | elfy, but feel free to send to all | 11:09 |
| elfy | ok - not the -qa then - I'd send to -users - might even get someone to think "Hey, perhaps I could help there" | 11:09 |
| elfy | sent now | 11:10 |
| knome | elfy, yup, thanks :) | 11:10 |
| smartboyhw | elfy: So you wanna use the short one or the long one? | 11:12 |
| elfy | ? | 11:12 |
| smartboyhw | I mean the short testcase or the long testcase | 11:13 |
| smartboyhw | The two links you provided in the email | 11:13 |
| elfy | talk to knome about it please | 11:13 |
| smartboyhw | Oh alright | 11:14 |
| elfy | but basically we use them both for milestone releases | 11:14 |
| knome | i'm probably making the short test mandatory and long test run-once | 11:15 |
| elfy | makes sense | 11:15 |
| elfy | I generally check once that encrypted works as expected as well - but that's not on the test cases | 11:16 |
| smartboyhw | Alright:) | 11:16 |
| knome | elfy, we can probably reintroduce it now that we don't have alternate | 11:16 |
| elfy | aah yea - good thought | 11:17 |
| knome | elfy, but let's talk about this later | 11:17 |
| elfy | yep | 11:17 |
| elfy | cya | 11:17 |
| knome | probably tomorrow | 11:17 |
| knome | yup, i'm off | 11:17 |
| knome | see you and have fun! :) | 11:17 |
| elfy | I'll be about AM and then back in the evening if you want me | 11:17 |
| smartboyhw | knome: On the "not having the alternate" part, balloons and phillw will be rewriting it:) | 11:17 |
| smartboyhw | I mean the testcases:) | 11:17 |
| knome | smartboyhw, we don't have alternate images | 11:17 |
| knome | smartboyhw, so we don't need alternate testcases. | 11:18 |
| smartboyhw | I know, since you deleted it | 11:18 |
| smartboyhw | Or the release team | 11:18 |
| knome | pleia2? | 11:19 |
| smartboyhw | But then balloons will be editing the desktop ones to let people get used to not having the alternates | 11:19 |
| elfy | they'll be rewriting the other stuff not the xubuntu wiki tests I suspect | 11:23 |
| smartboyhw | elfy: I think knome means to rewrite it on the ISO QA Tracker | 11:23 |
| elfy | have fun knome | 11:24 |
| mips1911 | How do you guys apply the xubuntu theme to xscreensaver? | 12:43 |
| smartboyhw | Unit193: PM | 12:54 |
| ochosi | mips1911: you can't apply any theming to xscreensaver. most of the "style" is hardcoded | 13:14 |
| pnarciso | Have you made any changes to 12.10 daily yet, regarding the theming issues? | 13:14 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: you mean ubiquity or which theming issues? | 13:15 |
| pnarciso | yes, ubiquity | 13:15 |
| mips1911 | ochosi, I recall 12.04 having a custom theme, if you install xscreensave from the repos it lacks the theme so how does it get into ubuntu if it's hardcoded or do you guys ship a different xscreensave packge on the install media? | 13:15 |
| ochosi | you can follow the merge-requests to see that | 13:15 |
| ochosi | mips1911: no, 12.04 has the standard awful xscreensaver lockscreen | 13:16 |
| ochosi | mips1911: this one: http://www.bstegmaier.de/wiki/images/Xscreensaver.png | 13:16 |
| ochosi | (incl. the terrible terrible pixmap) | 13:16 |
| mips1911 | ochosi, I can swear mine was themed as in 12.10 I now have the plain one | 13:17 |
| ochosi | mips1911: maybe you used gnome-screensaver | 13:17 |
| pnarciso | x screensaver is buggy | 13:17 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: bug #744283: "Merged into lp:ubiquity at revision 5631" | 13:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 744283 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Steps "Preparing to install" and "Erase disk" are unreadable with high-contrast theme enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744283 | 13:17 |
| mips1911 | ochosi, no definitely xscreensaver | 13:18 |
| pnarciso | I must disable it because it interferes with games | 13:18 |
| pnarciso | It doesn't recognise gamepads | 13:18 |
| ochosi | we'll try to drop it for 13.04 anyway | 13:18 |
| pnarciso | I'll prefer that my screen enter suspend mode instead of having a screensaver | 13:19 |
| ochosi | screensavers are already disabled by default in 12.10 | 13:20 |
| ochosi | there's only suspend and then a lockscreen now | 13:20 |
| pnarciso | if xfce power manager had the option to lock the screen when the monitor enters suspend mode it was the ideal solution | 13:20 |
| ochosi | it's more or less what will happen, yes | 13:21 |
| ochosi | we'll try to get lightdm to do the screenlocking | 13:21 |
| pnarciso | 12.10 have a blank screen screensaver enabled by deafult | 13:21 |
| ochosi | right | 13:22 |
| ochosi | well i guess my/the idea was to only let the monitor suspend, but wha'eve | 13:22 |
| ochosi | r | 13:22 |
| GridCube | :) good moring people | 13:23 |
| smartboyhw | Hi GridCube, ochosi | 13:23 |
| ochosi | ahoi GridCube | 13:23 |
| mips1911 | hi | 13:23 |
| bluesabre | good morning! | 13:23 |
| GridCube | what are we pondering today? | 13:23 |
| ochosi | oh, ahoi bluesabre :) | 13:23 |
| smartboyhw | I heard that due to test failures knome is not gonna release Beta 1. | 13:23 |
| GridCube | i heard there was a respin of beta 1 | 13:24 |
| bluesabre | i heard knome was going to sponsor all of us for uds | 13:24 |
| smartboyhw | <knome> skaet, i'm thinking that xubuntu will skip beta 1 looking at all the fails. | 13:24 |
| bluesabre | (except not really) | 13:24 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: funny, i heard the same :} | 13:24 |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre: You're kidding:) | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | sadly, yes smartboyhw | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | Well | 13:25 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: if you come, i'll come as well :] | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | Let me ask my bank account | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | well, that was a quick "no" | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre: LOL | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:26 |
| ochosi | hehe | 13:26 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: did you check the flights? | 13:26 |
| ochosi | (just out of curiosity) | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | Nope. Haven't checked | 13:26 |
| bluesabre | But it's very likely they're outside of my present budget | 13:27 |
| mips1911 | Why does xubuntu use the droid sans fonts instead of ubuntu fonts? | 13:29 |
| ochosi | mips1911: why not? | 13:30 |
| ochosi | (because it's prettier) | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | lol | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | 13.04 --> Roboto font | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 13:31 |
| smartboyhw | ;0 | 13:31 |
| ochosi | heh | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | Actually, I like Droid Sans better than Roboto | 13:31 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's not so bad, but i also prefer droid as UI font | 13:31 |
| bluesabre | Anybody else interested in looking at indicator-messages? | 13:33 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:33 |
| GridCube | i always change it to ubuntus font :P | 13:33 |
| smartboyhw | GridCube: SAME | 13:33 |
| GridCube | i have two that pop up everyday, one says "you have 400 updates" and other one says "there was a faliure in a previous session", are those interesting indicator-messages? :P | 13:34 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: tbh i already looked at the source and i feel very, very lost with it | 13:35 |
| bluesabre | yes, but there is one that is much more interesting ;) | 13:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ubiquity's scripts are a piece of cake in comparison | 13:35 |
| bluesabre | It would be quicker to create a gtk3 panel | 13:35 |
| ochosi | not sure | 13:36 |
| ochosi | at least not incl. all the plugins we need | 13:36 |
| elfy | I ignore anything that says something has failed unless it is in big bold red letters | 13:36 |
| bluesabre | As far as I can tell, to use the GtkActionGroup, I basically need to extend GtkWidget | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | which means we'd probably ship a custom gtk | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | it seems crazy | 13:37 |
| elfy | I'd like the thing that used to sit in notifications back again - used that all the time | 13:37 |
| ochosi | wow, that's a bit over-the-top for a single indicator | 13:37 |
| GridCube | i ignore it because its tehre every single time saying blueman has failed, when in fact i dont have any bluethoot device | 13:37 |
| bluesabre | Are the other indicators restored? | 13:38 |
| ochosi | GridCube: you not having a bluetooth device is probably why it fails :D | 13:38 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not sure, mr_pouit was a bit silent about that the last few days | 13:38 |
| elfy | it'd probably tell em that too GridCube if I'd left it in startup | 13:38 |
| bluesabre | GridCube: sudo apt-get autoremove bluez | 13:42 |
| bluesabre | that's my method | 13:42 |
| * bluesabre would like to have bluetooth in his next laptop | 13:43 | |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre: Sure make it 4.0 or 5.0 | 13:43 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: from when is your laptop? my gf's laptop is 6(!) years old and has bluetooth | 13:43 |
| bluesabre | 2009/2010 | 13:44 |
| GridCube | bluesabre, :P that would help, but then if i wanted to use my bluethoot thingy to sync my cellphone i cant, but i only use that like never | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre: How much does your notebook cost? | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | I went to a college where you're given a laptop, so they customized it to have what the college needed | 13:44 |
| ochosi | i see | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | so no bluetooth, no backlit keyboard, etc | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre: Oh OK | 13:45 |
| bluesabre | but it runs xubuntu like a champ | 13:45 |
| bluesabre | :D | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | ;D | 13:46 |
| GridCube | as my netbook does, | 13:46 |
| GridCube | for some reason the case for my netbook has a precut hole that says "GPS" i dont know why because it doesnt have one, but i think that theres another version that do have gps | 13:47 |
| smartboyhw | HAHAHA | 13:47 |
| GridCube | oh boy, i though this was ot, sorry for derailing people | 13:49 |
| elfy | :p | 13:49 |
| * GridCube hides in shame | 13:49 | |
| smartboyhw | ;P | 13:50 |
| ochosi | btw, what do you guys think of the original "wingpanel"-idea? (not sure everyone is familiar with it) | 13:58 |
| * elfy isn't | 13:59 | |
| ochosi | reference: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/wingpanel-elementarys-slick-new-space-saving-panel | 13:59 |
| ochosi | we could easily do the same with xfce-panel in 4.10 | 13:59 |
| elfy | mmm | 14:00 |
| bluesabre | It seemed like a good idea, and worked well when that wingpanel worked well | 14:00 |
| ochosi | anyway, i'm testing it atm | 14:00 |
| smartboyhw | !? | 14:00 |
| elfy | not sure if that wouldn't freak me out a bit | 14:00 |
| ochosi | elfy: to freak ppl out less, we could call it a new "maximize-mode" | 14:00 |
| elfy | lol | 14:01 |
| smartboyhw | Yeah | 14:01 |
| ochosi | ideally the xfce-panel would get intelli-hide mode | 14:01 |
| elfy | you forget that I make my panel 20 pixels and hide it at the bottom | 14:01 |
| ochosi | then we could make the rest, that is not "wingpanel-style" autohide when a window is maximized | 14:01 |
| ochosi | elfy: i can't forget something i don't know | 14:01 |
| elfy | :p | 14:02 |
| bluesabre | the panel looks good at 26px | 14:03 |
| bluesabre | :D | 14:03 |
| ochosi | yeah, currently we're still at 24, but i'm really considering 26 for the next release | 14:03 |
| pnarciso | have a reduced panel like that implies that a more advanced docking app is used, to show what apps are open | 14:03 |
| elfy | ochosi: so what does it actually do - make notifications bigger | 14:03 |
| ochosi | elfy: what does what? | 14:04 |
| elfy | this wingpanel type affair | 14:04 |
| ochosi | it makes maximized windows use all available screen estate | 14:05 |
| ochosi | because the notification panel overlays the window-border | 14:05 |
| ochosi | and all other panels hide | 14:05 |
| elfy | oh - I see that now | 14:05 |
| ochosi | that at least is the rationale | 14:06 |
| ochosi | but as pnarciso pointed out, it implies a dock or an xfce-panel that can intellihide | 14:06 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 14:06 |
| bluesabre | and we'd have to tweak xfce4-notify | 14:06 |
| ochosi | why? | 14:06 |
| ochosi | or: how? :) | 14:06 |
| bluesabre | since I think it would hide under the wingpanel if there's no space reserved at the top | 14:06 |
| bluesabre | possibly | 14:07 |
| elfy | ochosi: kind of like the don't reserve space on borders option ? | 14:07 |
| bluesabre | haven't actually checked | 14:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: no, notifications still work | 14:07 |
| bluesabre | cool | 14:07 |
| ochosi | elfy: not "kind of like", but yes, that option :) | 14:07 |
| * bluesabre stops blurting out answers in class | 14:07 | |
| elfy | ok - now I understnad better - I like that idea :) | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre: Who would ever blurt out answers in class???:O | 14:08 |
| bluesabre | lol | 14:08 |
| bluesabre | I've moved my panel and notifications to the bottom, since I was always clicking on notifications when trying to click a different tab | 14:08 |
| bluesabre | But that's just me :P | 14:09 |
| elfy | mine's at the bottom on the right of the lefthand monitor - so it is 'sort' of midpoint | 14:09 |
| GridCube | yeah, i never understood the idea of the panel on top | 14:09 |
| elfy | +1 | 14:10 |
| ochosi | tbh i think it doesn' matter where a panel is, top or bottom are both conventions that ppl get used to | 14:10 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 14:10 |
| ochosi | it's just the classical "windows versus mac" paradigm... | 14:10 |
| bluesabre | Let's do unity next, leave the panel at the top and put the launcher dock on the left | 14:11 |
| GridCube | yep, in my netbook i placed them on the sides, because its widescreen and that takes less verticall space | 14:11 |
| bluesabre | :P | 14:11 |
| ochosi | also: gnome2 (and xfce upstream) have the panel at the top (i know, gnome2 had two panels, but much of what we have there now was on the top one) | 14:11 |
| bluesabre | true | 14:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, we could do a unity-like layout | 14:11 |
| ochosi | if we get a good patch for dock-functionality into the paenl | 14:11 |
| GridCube | :D | 14:11 |
| ochosi | panel | 14:11 |
| ochosi | that would be desirable anyway | 14:12 |
| elfy | so I've got to start looking at kde now ... :p | 14:12 |
| ochosi | but someone with some bamf skills would have to do it (although bamf is probably not the hardest part of it) | 14:12 |
| bluesabre | haha | 14:12 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, you're joking, but there are really users that start to flame and be really pissed off because of the default panel config (a different config is approx. 2 clicks away) | 14:13 |
| pnarciso | mint aproach on xfce put the notification bar on the bottom | 14:13 |
| GridCube | http://imagebin.org/227416 | 14:13 |
| ochosi | GridCube: i was using the same for a long time (well, without the second panel on the right) | 14:14 |
| ochosi | GridCube: only downside is clock and date... | 14:14 |
| elfy | ochosi: I know :) | 14:14 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: what notification bar? | 14:14 |
| pnarciso | I meant xfce panel | 14:14 |
| bluesabre | Everything | 14:15 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 14:15 |
| bluesabre | kinda like this | 14:15 |
| ochosi | like all versions of windows after win3.1 | 14:15 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/227417 | 14:15 |
| bluesabre | yeah, basically | 14:15 |
| bluesabre | But you know, there was something magical about win3.1 ;) | 14:15 |
| ochosi | the good thing about this is that you can do the "click-close" mouse action (it's almost a gesture!) | 14:16 |
| ochosi | you mean "magical" because everything happened so counter-intuitively? :] | 14:16 |
| bluesabre | more or less | 14:16 |
| bluesabre | in fact, compaq had their own setup that involved the use of notebooks for everything | 14:17 |
| bluesabre | It was... | 14:17 |
| bluesabre | wrong | 14:17 |
| ochosi | yeah | 14:17 |
| ochosi | that reminds me of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/frankbooth/lightdm-gtk-greeter | 14:17 |
| ochosi | lubuntu asked us whether we wanna re-design the login-greeter with tehm | 14:17 |
| GridCube | yeah bluesabre thats how my desktop is like, except i have a panel acting as a dock on top | 14:17 |
| bluesabre | heh | 14:18 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Please don't do that design | 14:18 |
| elfy | bluesabre: mine is similar http://imagebin.org/227419 | 14:18 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i won't. but the "terrible use of notebooks" reminded me of that | 14:18 |
| bluesabre | lol | 14:18 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 14:19 |
| ochosi | anyway, if any of you feel like participating in the discussions of how the login-screen should look, i set up a xubuntu-internal spec-page as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/R/LightDM-Greeter | 14:19 |
| ochosi | it's still in a very raw stage, haven't had much time | 14:19 |
| ochosi | but it's for R, so there's still quite a bit of time | 14:20 |
| smartboyhw | You know what? That looks like the Metro UI used in Windows 8 | 14:20 |
| bluesabre | ooh shiny | 14:20 |
| ochosi | smartboyhw: not really. furthermore it's just a login-screen | 14:21 |
| smartboyhw | Hahaha | 14:21 |
| ochosi | smartboyhw: explain how it is even remotely similar to this: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/06/6-1-11-metro.jpg | 14:21 |
| bluesabre | rectangle | 14:21 |
| ochosi | wait... you're right!! - both designs use rectangles! | 14:22 |
| bluesabre | Apple has sued for less | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | yES:) | 14:22 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 14:22 |
| elfy | I want a circle | 14:22 |
| elfy | or oval | 14:22 |
| ochosi | anyway, basically that debian-proposal should be possible | 14:22 |
| elfy | looks nice | 14:22 |
| ochosi | at least if we get our hands dirty with the code a bit | 14:22 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, sounds like an interesting possibility | 14:22 |
| ochosi | i like that there is no extra panel | 14:22 |
| bluesabre | Though, I really like the gtk-greeter with the 12.10 theme | 14:22 |
| ochosi | i don't think it's needed | 14:23 |
| ochosi | in the 12.10 theme it's basically empty | 14:23 |
| ochosi | just two small menus... | 14:23 |
| pnarciso | a more advanced lightdm greeter would add a nice touch do xubuntu, but in the end of the day, it's just another login manager, and single users won't see them much | 14:23 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 14:23 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: well, it would also be used as a lockscreen | 14:23 |
| bluesabre | This discussion, while offtopic, is still remotely mostly -devel related... congrats us! | 14:24 |
| ochosi | yeah, walking the thin line... | 14:25 |
| bluesabre | It's ok, knome doesn't appear to be around ;) | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | HAHAHA | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | It IS dev related, unless you wanna start a #lightdm-gtk-greeter channel :) | 14:26 |
| bluesabre | Anything is better than working on indicator-messages-gtk2 ;) | 14:26 |
| bluesabre | I just don't know what to do anymore | 14:26 |
| bluesabre | lol | 14:26 |
| pnarciso | For now fixing the indicator-messages should be top priority :) | 14:27 |
| bluesabre | Oh it is, I'm just still stuck | 14:27 |
| pnarciso | I only I knew anything about programming | 14:28 |
| pnarciso | If I only knew anything about programming | 14:28 |
| * elfy too pnarciso | 14:28 | |
| bluesabre | If only the ayatana devs didn't kill gtk2 support... | 14:29 |
| pnarciso | And from what I've read, XFCE devs wil stick to gtk2 for 4.12 | 14:29 |
| ochosi | yup | 14:30 |
| * ochosi thinks it's time for a coffee | 14:30 | |
| bluesabre | Yeah, but there's the possibility of a gtk3 panel at least for 4.12 | 14:30 |
| ochosi | ttyl | 14:30 |
| bluesabre | seeya ochosi | 14:30 |
| pnarciso | there's only a month and a half for the release of 12.10, the decision must be made in releasing it in the current state or postponing. | 14:38 |
| mips1911 | postponing would be better | 14:39 |
| mips1911 | but that's just my opinion | 14:39 |
| pnarciso | I would give more time for fixing the regressions and polish some functionality | 14:40 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: release what in what state? | 14:59 |
| ochosi | indicator-messages or the whole thing? | 14:59 |
| pnarciso | indicator-messages | 14:59 |
| ochosi | ah right | 15:00 |
| ochosi | well shipping it later would mean it's not in the default panel config | 15:01 |
| ochosi | so most ppl wouldn't even notice if we got it working again later | 15:01 |
| mr_pouit | (it's indicators, they're added automatically as long as they're not blacklisted in xfce4-indicator-plugin) | 15:01 |
| pnarciso | also the duplicate devices on thunar and desktop are also a problem | 15:03 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: yes, but it wouldn't get installed by default | 15:04 |
| pnarciso | they are not installed in the latest build | 15:05 |
| pnarciso | but if they were, and plugins were later fixed, wouldn't they show up | 15:05 |
| elfy | knome: I checked a whole bunch of pages - sent list to the list | 16:13 |
| pleia2 | knome: I never got a reply on ubuntu-doc (big surprise) but someone followed up directly with a doc team member and we can just submit MPs | 16:15 |
| elfy | pleia2: I see you get notification of changes - I tried to tick the trivial change box if it was just a word or something - but it still said you were getting them | 16:16 |
| pleia2 | elfy: yeah, I subscribe to trivial as well (have to, the spam bots only do trivial changes) | 16:17 |
| elfy | :( | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | sneaky bots | 16:17 |
| elfy | ohe yea - channel is logged ... sneaky bots | 16:18 |
| elfy | I'll tell you what I really think in -ooftopic :p | 16:18 |
| elfy | I copied the wiki front page to a m/l and made notes against it as to what I did today | 16:19 |
| elfy | thought a proper list people can note against on m/l would be a useful idea | 16:19 |
| pleia2 | yeah :) | 16:19 |
| * elfy has headache now | 16:21 | |
| pleia2 | aww | 16:21 |
| elfy | copying the list out did show me that we are really quite close now :) | 16:21 |
| bluesabre | I've got my ubuntu-membership meeting today at 22:00 UTC :D Excited! | 16:42 |
| elfy | woot | 16:43 |
| elfy | where's your wiki then bluesabre | 16:43 |
| bluesabre | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis | 16:43 |
| bluesabre | Thanks for the testimonial elfy! | 16:49 |
| elfy | well I wrote something bluesabre - if it wasn't really late I'd pop along for moral support too | 16:49 |
| elfy | welcome | 16:49 |
| elfy | though I might anyway :p | 16:50 |
| bluesabre | :D | 16:51 |
| mips1911 | Guys quick question, is fluendo included on the 12.04 livecd as people say they can play mp3s from the livecd? | 17:27 |
| holstein | mips1911: i would just fire one up and check... | 17:33 |
| mips1911 | holstein, i dont have one | 17:35 |
| mips1911 | holstein, I tested with 12.04 lubuntu cd and I could play mp3 with it. | 18:17 |
| holstein | mips1911: cool! id say its onboard then | 18:17 |
| mips1911 | holstein, it also played flac & ogg but no video | 18:18 |
| holstein | mips1911: what kind of video? ogg vids should play | 18:26 |
| mips1911 | holstein, I don't have any ogg videos to test with but it should work. i could only test with avi, mkv,mpeg,flv | 18:27 |
| holstein | ogg should work.. the others are not supported by the free fluendo or anything that can be shipped | 18:29 |
| mips1911 | understood | 18:30 |
| mips1911 | is there a reason I'm not seeing any indicator applets on my panel in 12.10, no volume or network manager etc | 18:31 |
| elfy | I still see network - but no others - broken atm I believe | 18:32 |
| mips1911 | elfy, I'm not even sure I installed it all correctly seeing I did a netinstall followed by manually adding packages | 18:33 |
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| elfy | mine has been an upgraded one - they broke a week or so ago | 18:39 |
| elfy | mips1911: if it's any use to you - these are the indicator packages I have http://imagebin.org/227447 | 18:43 |
| mips1911 | thanks elfy, that would indeed come in handy for me to comapre with | 18:44 |
| elfy | :) | 18:44 |
| mips1911 | ok made sure mine are the same | 18:49 |
| elfy | and you have indicator plugin there - and maybe notification area in panel | 18:50 |
| mips1911 | can't find a notification item to add to the panel | 18:53 |
| mips1911 | ah, it's greyed out and I cant select it to add to the panel | 18:53 |
| elfy | that'll be the one then I suspect - pretty sure that si what they were talking about in here earlier | 18:54 |
| elfy | bluesabre is the one that knows I think | 18:54 |
| mips1911 | ok so that is what they were talking about. did not sound like it was gonna be fixed before release date | 18:54 |
| bluesabre | indicator-messages is broken | 18:55 |
| bluesabre | mr_pouit has been working on the other indicators | 18:55 |
| elfy | just checking with someone who can be positive bluesabre :) | 18:55 |
| bluesabre | Sure thing :D | 18:55 |
| mips1911 | that means I can go watch some mindless tv now as there is nothing more for me to fix :) | 18:56 |
| elfy | :) | 18:56 |
| mips1911 | bbl | 18:58 |
| elfy | well I'm off now - cya | 18:58 |
| mips1911 | bye | 18:58 |
| knome | plammh, sd was on this channel and told he could help | 20:47 |
| knome | pleia2 too | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | with? | 20:48 |
| knome | docs | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | ah | 20:48 |
| knome | pleia2, i'll be back in about 2-3 hours | 20:48 |
| knome | now, bbl | 20:48 |
| ochosi | hi everyone | 20:55 |
| pnarciso | hey | 21:00 |
| bluesabre | hi ochosi! | 21:10 |
| ochosi | hey sean :) | 21:10 |
| bluesabre | I have my membership meeting today at #ubuntu-meeting (in 50 minutes I think) | 21:10 |
| bluesabre | :D | 21:10 |
| ochosi | oooh | 21:10 |
| bluesabre | Anyways, what | 21:11 |
| bluesabre | 's up? | 21:11 |
| ochosi | i never managed to do it :) | 21:11 |
| * ochosi is a lazy bastard | 21:11 | |
| bluesabre | lol | 21:11 |
| bluesabre | So am I | 21:11 |
| ochosi | doesn't seem that way | 21:11 |
| ochosi | you're pretty good at hiding it then! | 21:11 |
| bluesabre | knome told me too when he added me to xubuntu-team | 21:11 |
| bluesabre | so, here I go | 21:11 |
| bluesabre | lol | 21:11 |
| ochosi | yup, it makes sense | 21:12 |
| ochosi | i should've done it a long time ago | 21:12 |
| Unit193 | I'm lazy too, I went for it... | 21:12 |
| ochosi | but since i haven't for so long, i feel even more reluctant to do it now | 21:12 |
| bluesabre | haha | 21:12 |
| bluesabre | brb | 21:12 |
| ochosi | careless these folks nowadays, they leave shortly before their membership meeting | 21:13 |
| ochosi | it's slightly OT, but do any of you do incremental backups with hardlinks? | 21:14 |
| ochosi | hey satya | 21:18 |
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| bluesabre | I am lazy. Spent a good portion of last week playing video games :D | 21:19 |
| ochosi | heh | 21:19 |
| bluesabre | I spent a good portion of today playing solitaire | 21:19 |
| ochosi | which ones? | 21:19 |
| ochosi | lol | 21:19 |
| bluesabre | Kingdom Hearts 2 primarily | 21:19 |
| bluesabre | Finally got around to beating it | 21:19 |
| ochosi | never heard of it i think | 21:19 |
| ochosi | is it a pc game or console? | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | Final Fantasy + Disney in a run-around hack-n-slash | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | Tons of fun | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_II | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | console | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | ps2 | 21:20 |
| ochosi | wow, that looks like it's fun | 21:21 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: btw, a small idea for parole | 21:25 |
| bluesabre | ok | 21:26 |
| ochosi | although i'm not sure it's good or necessary, but anyway | 21:26 |
| ochosi | we could update the menuitems of lang and subs to say something like "Subtitles (Japanese)" or "Language (English)" | 21:27 |
| ochosi | i mean so that you wouldn't have to look in the submenu | 21:27 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, they should do that automatically based on what they're embedded as. But it seems like a lot of software embeds as just en, jp. We'd have to create a map for that | 21:28 |
| ochosi | yeah, although the renaming wasn't the main point of the idea | 21:28 |
| ochosi | but yeah, let's add that to the roadmap | 21:28 |
| bluesabre | ok | 21:28 |
| ochosi | in fact i had forgotten about that again (the odd lang names) | 21:29 |
| ochosi | done | 21:30 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: we need to find a new fun project for you, the message indicator is just pulling you down too much :) | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | lol | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, it's not much fun, makes me not want to work on anything | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | So I look at documentation and stuff instead | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | play some video games | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | ... | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | But, I've made some progress on my wife's website, which she appreciates | 21:56 |
| bluesabre | :D | 21:56 |
| ochosi | heh | 21:56 |
| bluesabre | Updating my resume now | 21:56 |
| ochosi | well for now i'd think that the gtk-greeter would be a cool project | 21:57 |
| ochosi | mostly UI and nothing too harsh i think | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, I think so too | 21:57 |
| ochosi | i can make new mockups based on the current 12.10 greeter integrating some of the stuff that's in the debian mockup | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | Do we want to go for that flashy "metro-like" interface | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | ? | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 21:58 |
| ochosi | hehe | 21:58 |
| ochosi | well, it won't be exactly like that | 21:58 |
| ochosi | i just liked the layout, that's all | 21:58 |
| ochosi | e.g. having the shutdown-button where it is in that loginbox | 21:58 |
| bluesabre | It seems like a good starting point though | 21:58 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:58 |
| ochosi | and i guess the most important part is making it lock-screen-able | 21:59 |
| bluesabre | What all goes into that? | 21:59 |
| ochosi | good question, mr_pouit would know | 22:00 |
| ochosi | btw, since you mentioned thunderbird's wrong icon in messaging-menu: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6P1pdvOCnTQ/UEeC_c9tw9I/AAAAAAAAJ8k/9hEO_62aBVg/s1600/ubuntu12.10-messaging-menu.png | 22:03 |
| ochosi | doesn't look like it here (supposedly that's ubuntu beta1) | 22:03 |
| bluesabre | heh | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | we have a monochrome mail icon in our messaging menu | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | maybe | 22:04 |
| ochosi | that just means we'd have to drop one from elementary-xfce-dark | 22:04 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:05 |
| ochosi | think i'll watch a movie now, it's slowly getting late anyway and i don't feel like there's something useful for me to do right now | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | have a good night ochosi | 22:09 |
| ochosi | thanks | 22:09 |
| ochosi | are you a member already? | 22:09 |
| ochosi | or is that still taking place | 22:09 |
| bluesabre | lol | 22:09 |
| bluesabre | They haven't started yet | 22:09 |
| ochosi | oh ok | 22:10 |
| ochosi | good luck then :) | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | thanks! | 22:10 |
| ochosi | ttyl | 22:10 |
| * micahg waves to bluesabre | 22:12 | |
| bluesabre | hey micahg | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | Well, I'll get my fancy ubuntu hat next time :D | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | aww | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | yeah, with more time you'll be a shoe-in :) | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | That's what I'm hoping for. | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | Anyways, I've been hanging out at the office for too long. Have a good day/night everyone! | 22:50 |
| Unit193 | Awwwh, he got rejected? | 23:05 |
| knome | huh? :P | 23:06 |
| knome | i'm back | 23:06 |
| micahg | only for lack of sustained contribution, he's great though :) | 23:06 |
| knome | he is | 23:06 |
| micahg | and he'll be a shoe in in a few months | 23:06 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, he does seem good. | 23:06 |
| * micahg gets to bug him about upload rights after that :) | 23:07 | |
| knome | micahg, great | 23:07 |
| knome | micahg, btw... | 23:08 |
| knome | micahg, did you already look at updated http://xubuntu.org/contribute/development/ ? | 23:08 |
| micahg | no :) | 23:09 |
| knome | micahg, ok, if you could go through it and correct any failures, and maybe update it with more precise data on the packageset-upload-permissions and other points of interest, that would be great | 23:11 |
| micahg | ok | 23:11 |
| knome | so, i met this guy at the local univ of applied sciences | 23:12 |
| knome | he's teaching linux there, and here's the brief outcome of our 2 hour meet: http://terokarvinen.com/2012/working-with-xubuntu-project | 23:13 |
| knome | what we basically almost settled upon is: | 23:13 |
| knome | they are willing to test beta 2 installing, while they are installing their systems for the linux course. | 23:14 |
| knome | this means up to 60 tests for beta 2. | 23:14 |
| knome | if we can get it to any semi-usable state, that is | 23:14 |
| pnarciso | my xubuntu install is getting a LOT of updates today | 23:15 |
| knome | micahg, i also got some ideas on dropping the ISO sie. | 23:15 |
| knome | +z | 23:15 |
| pnarciso | ubuntu droped it | 23:16 |
| knome | what "it" ? | 23:16 |
| pnarciso | iso size | 23:17 |
| pnarciso | it's now 800 | 23:17 |
| knome | aha | 23:17 |
| knome | what's the xubuntu iso size then? | 23:17 |
| knome | did it affect that, or is it only the ubuntu iso | 23:18 |
| pnarciso | in fact it's not 800 but 757 | 23:20 |
| knome | yes, i know that. | 23:20 |
| pnarciso | exactly the same as xubuntu | 23:21 |
| pnarciso | I've read that they wil drop the cd size restriction | 23:22 |
| knome | they will, but we are not willing to | 23:23 |
| knome | we will want to fit on a CD | 23:23 |
| knome | you got to realize that ubuntu and xubuntu decision making regarding these issues are completely different things | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | Heh, LoCo guy was wondering why Xubuntu didn't have3 a B1. | 23:23 |
| knome | micahg, http://typewith.me/p/x-q-imagesize | 23:24 |
| knome | micahg, those are comments from the guy i met today | 23:24 |
| pnarciso | Yeah I know that this distro is targeted to older pc's | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | it's not really | 23:25 |
| knome | pnarciso, you should probably read the strategy document | 23:25 |
| knome | pnarciso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument | 23:25 |
| knome | pnarciso, read that. and don't whine it being too long. it's almost half the length of the old one. | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: "It wasn't ready" :) | 23:26 |
| knome | yeah | 23:26 |
| knome | i can promise better stability with a3 .P | 23:26 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Just making a note, nice to know someone keeps an eye out. (Also the person wanting apt-offline) | 23:27 |
| knome | micahg, humanity-icon-theme is 2.8MB, feel free to drop | 23:29 |
| micahg | knome: ok | 23:29 |
| knome | huh | 23:30 |
| knome | humanity is 18M installed | 23:31 |
| micahg | knome: won't help, gnome-icon-theme pulls it in | 23:31 |
| knome | micahg, can't we blacklist? | 23:31 |
| micahg | preferably not (and it doesn't work right anyways) | 23:32 |
| knome | aha | 23:32 |
| knome | so we're stuck with all this... meh | 23:32 |
| micahg | software-center depends on it as well for some strange reason | 23:32 |
| knome | duhh | 23:32 |
| knome | idiocy pulling that much worth of icon themes | 23:33 |
| pnarciso | xubuntu wallpapers include precise ones, can't they be removed | 23:33 |
| micahg | I can't dig more tonight, maybe I'll have a look on Sunday | 23:35 |
| knome | ok, any idea of the timeframe? | 23:35 |
| micahg | knome: what time is good for you? I might be around sometime in the range of 15:00-18:00 UTC | 23:36 |
| knome | micahg, that's fine | 23:37 |
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