[00:28] <mparillo> Congrats on Beta-1. Sorry I missed the moment.
[08:10] <bambee> apachelogger: 4 ssh keys ? on LP ?
[08:11] <bambee> I see 3 keys here
[08:11] <bambee> one per computer
[08:26] <apachelogger> bambee: ftpmaster
[08:26] <apachelogger> bambee: also if you are on quantal ... 4.9.1 needs testing from ninjas
[08:27] <bambee> I am on precise at work, however my personal laptop is on quantal. I can test it this evening :)
[08:27] <apachelogger> groovy
[08:28] <bambee> also, I will probably look at quassel+kde-telepathy for notifications (see the last discussion with Riddell yesterday) in the train this evening, at least for upstream it would be nice to get these features imho
[08:29] <bambee> because it's very boring at work to get 25 notifications for 1 message, seriously
[08:30] <apachelogger> the one about message-indicator?
[08:30] <apachelogger> and telepathy havign no message-indicator support?
[08:31] <bambee> --> be able to choose between indicator-message or kde notifications or both 
[08:31] <apachelogger> cause I don't wanna crush your dreams, but from what I was told it is architecturally not exactly trivial to make telepathy do message-indicator
[08:31] <apachelogger> bambee: both sounds useless TBH
[08:31] <bambee> 2. Add support for indicator-message in kde-telepathy 
[08:33] <bambee> apachelogger: I disagree, you have two great notifications system, so you should be able to choose one of them...
[08:33] <bambee> both are useful in different cases...
[08:34] <apachelogger> like?
[08:36] <bambee> indicator-message centralizes all notifications comding from IM client into one icon,  without flooding all the time with messages. 
[08:37] <bambee> coming*
[08:39] <bambee> it's discreet compared to knotifications...
[10:08] <Riddell> bambee: shadeslayer has looked into having kde-telepathy support message-indicator and found some problem with it
[10:08] <bambee> ah, really?
[10:09] <bambee> I will first look into having optional notification support in quassel , I think
[10:11] <Riddell> bambee: there is a telepathy-message-indicator plugin which works, but it brings in large parts of gnome
[10:51] <apachelogger> bambee, Riddell: david quickly explained the problem with m-i in ktp in some mail thread, probably the one on kubuntu-devel from may or so
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:09] <smartboyhw> Hiyas
[13:10] <BluesKaj> what's happening ?
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Nothing I think
[13:11] <smartboyhw> well hi I wanna contribute:)
[13:13] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ooh you're into helping kubuntu?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> OOH yes LOL
[13:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what are you into?  coding or testing or packaging or writing or supporting?
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Option 2 mostly, 4 and 5 too 
[13:19] <smartboyhw> I do have a lot of experience in testing
[13:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: tried beta 1?
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Sorry got caught away with Ubuntu Studio:)
[13:21] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ?
[13:23] <Riddell> I wonder how to add you to the testers call
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Why? I do do a lot of testing:0
[13:24] <Riddell> ubottu: no, testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw
[13:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: now we can ask you on demand :)
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Oh yeah!!!LOL
[13:25] <smartboyhw> !testers
[13:25] <smartboyhw> No doesn't work
[13:25] <tsimpson> !testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw
[13:25] <tsimpson> !no testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw
[13:25] <smartboyhw> !testers
[13:25] <tsimpson> better
[13:25] <smartboyhw> OK now it works!:)
[13:26] <soee> ok, testers tested i can confirm
[13:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: all these new features need testing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Oh OK
[13:42] <debfx> there are still a bunch of issues in 4.9.1: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/4.9.1.htm
[13:44] <BluesKaj> lightdm on kubuntu 12.10 just keeps crashing here. I think there should be a second look at it. Kdm works fine . :P
[13:45] <smartboyhw> ;P
[13:45] <smartboyhw> !dev
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Help I am having a problem with my VirtualBox internet connectivity and now it stucks at retrieving file 43 of 117
[13:56] <smartboyhw> ping Riddell
[13:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: actually networking on virtualbox doesn't work for me currently
[13:58] <Riddell> and I don't know why, let me know if you find out
[13:58] <smartboyhw> AH I know, I just go and install the Kubuntu packages!
[14:02] <Riddell> BluesKaj: hmm, I don't suppose a backtrace appears?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> no Riddell , it doesn't even load , the boot process stops and I have to login with the tty and then startx
[14:04] <Riddell> oh so probably something in the logs /var/log/lightdm
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Riddell, http://pastebin.com/fSw8Mgmn
[14:14] <Riddell> "Failed to start greeter" ok not a simple issue then
[14:14] <Riddell> dunno, ask in #lightdm-kde
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I'm happy with kdm , think I'll stick with it for a while 
[14:24] <allee> beta1 mentions kubuntu active.  But download section give no hint where to find it.
[14:26] <Riddell> allee: it's in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/quantal/beta-1/
[14:26] <Riddell> where are you looking?
[14:29] <allee> Riddell: sorry, I've found them already but I noticed that there no LINK in the beta1 announcement.  I had  to google for it.  So: please as a link for others 
[14:37] <allee> oh, I it's in the wiki not kubuntu.org .  So I fix it myself
[14:39] <Riddell> allee: thanks :)
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I will test it tmr. Installed kubuntu-full in 12.10 but I don't wanna reboot
[14:46] <allee> fix.  added the download link in the section about kubuntu active.  That's prominent enough for a tech preview :-)
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Riddell, lightdm , is back on track after a 2nd reboot after the large upgrade to 12.10
[14:50] <BluesKaj> err, large upgrade in 12.10
[14:51] <shadeslayer> I wonder if okular got fixed
[14:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's this about iPod support in the topic
[14:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: something in kdelibs is kaput
[14:58] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[14:58] <shadeslayer> I'll take that up
[14:58] <apachelogger> so amarok goes like "wwaoh, what is an ipod?:
[14:58]  * shadeslayer searches for iPod
[14:58] <apachelogger> actually I think there is a bug about it
[14:58] <apachelogger> some dep missing or something
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ok, where does amarok usually show the iPod
[15:00] <shadeslayer> because the device notifier identifies it as a iPod
[15:01] <apachelogger> I do not know
[15:01] <apachelogger> if I owned an ipod I had fixed the issue already :P
[15:01] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:01] <shadeslayer> I have one of the newer ones
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apparently the had a exchange program, so I got it exchanged
[15:02] <BluesKaj> amarok , couldn't find the external drive containing the music files , then when it did , it insisted on autplaying files at random ...it was so messed up . I just dumped it
[15:03] <shadeslayer> "When commiting track /home/shadeslayer/Music/Music/Music/Coldplay/Coldplay - Parachutes/12 - for you.mp3 with uid amarok-sqltrackuid://86190987044bd2adceaf7122d7e4f03e we detected that the same uid is already commited. This means that you most probably have duplicates in your collection folders. The offending track is /home/shadeslayer/Music/Music/Music/Coldplay/Coldplay - For You.mp3."
[15:03] <shadeslayer> why do you even want to show a user that error
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.6.0-0ubuntu2 
[15:09] <shadeslayer> I think Riddell fixed it
[15:14] <debfx> yofel_: what's kdeartwork 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1.1 "Rebuild against 4.8 libraries" about?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yer fix works
[15:22] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:23] <shadeslayer> it says Invalid
[15:23] <shadeslayer> though it works
[15:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger http://i.imgur.com/j5OwN.png
[15:24] <shadeslayer> wow, amarok is *buggy*
[15:24] <Riddell> go me, I don't even remember fixing it
[15:26] <shadeslayer> heh http://i.imgur.com/G4hZm.png
[15:26] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1013442
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fine, will take care of it on Monday
[15:30] <yofel_> debfx: for some strange reason kdeartwork 4.8.5 ~ppa1 was linked against libs from 4.9
[15:30] <yofel_> making it uninstallable
[15:31] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/1023225
[15:33] <yofel_> debfx: bug https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.series_filter=precise&batch=100
[15:33] <yofel_> fail
[15:33] <yofel_> bug 1037392
[15:58] <bulldog98> allee: yes
[15:59] <debfx> yofel_: ah ok. though please don't add additional ~ppa changelog entries as that needs manual editing when uploading to the archive
[15:59] <apachelogger> yofel_: still no problems with .1?
[16:00] <bulldog98> s/allee: yes/apachelogger still 2 ssh keys/
[16:00] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "apachelogger still 2 ssh keys"
[16:11] <shadeslayer> bleh
[16:11] <shadeslayer> is it just me or did the amd64+mac images not get updated for 12.04.1
[16:14] <yofel_> debfx: good point, will do so
[16:16] <yofel> apachelogger: works fine for me, but debfx posted an updates status page which still shows errors
[16:16] <yofel> *updated
[16:16] <yofel> esp. missing files
[16:25] <apachelogger> and who is going to fix those?
[16:27] <yofel> not me as I'm going out in a bit - unless you don't mind me fixing them in ~4h
[16:27] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:27] <apachelogger> perhaps it ought to be documented
[16:27] <apachelogger> just a thought
[16:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: work ^
[16:28] <yofel> if really nobody gets to it I'll do it later
[16:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nobody tested them, same as beta 1
[17:01] <Quintasan> Riddell, shadeslayer: no sponsorship for me
[17:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger ok, fine, will do, and could someone point me to the status page?
[17:18] <debfx> shadeslayer: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/4.9.1.htm
[17:18] <shadeslayer> thx
[17:19] <shadeslayer> debfx: orage is missing files?
[17:20] <debfx> no, orange is warning and red is an error
[17:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: we have ways of fixing that
[17:21] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: just ask kubuntu council
[17:27] <shadeslayer> I'll also upgrade to 4.9.1 to test stuff
[17:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: I clicked on full upgrade 3 times before I realized I needed to click on Apply changes in muon :P
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> lol, and people still get mad at me when they delete half their system for not reviewing the changes :D
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> *after not reviewing
[17:41] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[17:43] <shadeslayer> it's a good feature, but coming from apt-get dist-upgrade, it's not immediately visible :)
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yay crash
[17:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://gist.github.com/0439f03f6c074ac5073a
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> huh, weird
[17:44] <shadeslayer> indeed
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> needless to say, there's probably not much I can do about that one...
[17:45] <shadeslayer> here's what I did, added the ninjas ppa to sources.list, refreshed using muon, muon complained about upgrading unsigned packages, I added key manually, hit upgrade, crash
[17:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> well, I'll keep an eye out for similar reports at any rate, thanks
[17:45]  * apachelogger actuall thinks shadeslayer has incompatible libs :P
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> package::state is called everywhere though. you would think it'd crash sooner
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hm, *maybe*
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> everywhere == PackageModel
[17:46] <apachelogger> well it did not crash when calling the function but inside the function
[17:46] <shadeslayer> can't exactly say since my system is a bit borked
[17:47] <apachelogger> so if it goes a different if and then runs into kaput symbol that'd explain it
[17:47]  * shadeslayer needs to downgrade to precise anyway
[17:49] <apachelogger> !info kmenuedit
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> lol: https://github.com/albertz/playground/blob/master/test_importearlyexit.py
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> "return from module"
[17:53]  * apachelogger scratches head
[17:53] <apachelogger> is that what happens when you had too much E?
[17:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do we need a Council meeting for that or something?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:01] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: #5  0x00007f3d2dfe28c5 in QApt::Package::shortDescription() const () from /usr/lib/libqapt.so.1
[18:02] <shadeslayer> new crash :P
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:02] <apachelogger> I tolds you
[18:05] <shadeslayer> yeah, seems a bit borked
[18:21]  * ScottK thought "assume it's shadeslayer's fault" was standard policy?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ...
[18:22] <ScottK> It certainly saves time.
[18:22] <ScottK> That and we needed a replacement for "assume shadeslayer's busy with exams."
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: maybe shadeslayer is waiting for exam results?
[18:28] <ScottK> Waiting implies non-business, so I don't think so.
[18:35] <shadeslayer> the best I can come right now is shadeslayer is redditting/HN'ing/talking to friends on fb/G+
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> speaking of academics, I have to scoot along to my last class of the week.
[18:41] <ScottK> debfx: Would you have time to add this to kamera and reupload: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kamera/news/20120827T124743Z.html
[19:14] <CIA-58> [kde-runtime] Rohan Garg * 288 * debian/ (kde-runtime-data.install kde-runtime.install) Update install files
[19:16] <debfx> ScottK: can do. is that bug #1023231?
[19:16] <ScottK> debfx: It's at least a partial solution for it.
[19:17] <ScottK> Let's call it that.
[19:19] <debfx> ScottK: the upstream bug is still NEW so it's not fixed in 4.9?
[19:20] <mah454> Hello 
[19:20] <mah454> How can change KDE default configurations ?
[19:20] <debfx> ah actually it is fixed
[19:20] <mah454> change default panel , wallpaper , widgets , ...
[19:21] <DF_Meyer_> mah454: Phrase your question better. Try something along these lines: How can I create a custom live cd for distribution with a preconfigured plasma desktop. That will get yoy a good response
[19:21] <shadeslayer> mah454: look into /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/
[19:21] <shadeslayer> as well as plasma desktop scripting
[19:22] <shadeslayer> more specifically : /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init
[19:23] <mah454> shadeslayer: How can customize it ? 
[19:23] <mah454> I need document
[19:24] <shadeslayer> mah454: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting
[19:24] <shadeslayer> has everything you need
[19:24] <mah454> ok
[19:24] <mah454> thank you :)
[19:24] <shadeslayer> np
[19:24] <shadeslayer> the API is a bit under documented/convoluted
[19:24] <shadeslayer> so I'd suggest looking at kdeexamples as well
[19:30] <ScottK> debfx: Dunno lisandro said he'd pushed the commit upstream.  May not have done anything in bugzilla.
[19:31] <debfx> yeah, the committer didn't use the proper format to close/cc the bug
[19:33] <ScottK> debfx: I don't see meta-kde in the queue.
[19:33] <ScottK> Don't we need that?
[19:33] <ScottK> Rejected the first kamera upload.
[19:33] <debfx> oh right, forgot about that one
[19:55] <ScottK> debfx: Started.  Thanks for uploading: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1
[20:08] <CIA-58> [kdelibs] Rohan Garg * 429 * debian/libkdeui5.symbols Update symbols
[20:20] <shadeslayer> hm
[20:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so I'm trying to revert a released commit in bzr using bzr revert -r x ... but it doesn't seem to work
[20:20] <shadeslayer> the file's contents are the same
[20:22] <shadeslayer> pffttt
[20:22] <shadeslayer> nvm
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> "Better Business Bureau joekbarrett@comline.com" <- sounds legit
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> it's rare that gmail misses spam these days
[20:25] <shadeslayer> while BBB is a legit organization, that email surely isn't theirs :P
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> yup
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> my spam folder autodeletes every 30 days, so I constantly have ~1000 mails in it at any given time
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> every week or two one will slip into my inbox
[20:26] <CIA-58> [kdelibs] Rohan Garg * 430 * debian/libkdeui5.symbols Fixup symbols on i386 as well
[20:31] <CIA-58> [kde-workspace] Rohan Garg * 679 * debian/ (3 files) Update symbols
[20:37] <shadeslayer> !find kolab.png
[20:40] <CIA-58> [kdepimlibs] Rohan Garg * 188 * debian/libakonadi-contact4.symbols Update symbols
[20:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The bot lies - http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=kolab.png&mode=exactfilename&suite=quantal&arch=any
[20:40] <shadeslayer> :O
[20:41] <shadeslayer> I had a sneaking suspicion that the file was there
[20:41] <shadeslayer> though not the same path ( which is what I was afraid of )
[21:14] <CIA-58> [kde-workspace] Rohan Garg * 680 * debian/kde-workspace-data.install Update install file
[21:19] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace ( all fixed, needs upload from bzr), kde-runtime (all fixed, uploaded to ninjas and bzr), kdelibs (symbols updated, has a missing file that needs to be installed, and then upload from bzr), kdepimlibs ( symbols updated, needs upload from bzr)
[21:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[21:20] <shadeslayer> haven't touched anything else
[21:20] <shadeslayer> too sleepy to continue and might mess something up
[21:20] <shadeslayer> ok, I'll upload kde-workspace as well
[21:23] <shadeslayer> night
[21:27] <shadeslayer> mmm, kde workspace rejected ... version is lower 
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^ so workspace will need uploading afterall
[22:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: revert is for uncommitted files, try uncommit
[22:17] <Riddell> uncommit then revert
[23:55] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1012550] qtsql: no drivers loaded (incomplete library paths?) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1012550 (by Jonas T.)