[01:45] <ryaxnb> has ubuntu officially gone to dvd?
[01:45] <ryaxnb> the new release is 800MB
[01:46] <natman> anyone been using telepathy in kubuntu12.10? hows it looking? how does it compare to kopete?
[01:47] <ryaxnb> i personally would recommend a 2GB image file size.
[02:06] <KRomeleoN> hey yall
[02:07] <arand> ryaxnb: over-sizing is an expected bug in alpha/beta afaik, I'm not sure if the maxsize was raised though, since it used to be the case that the oversizedness was pointed out on the cdimage page.
[02:13] <ryaxnb> eh, 800MB is a lot of oversize
[02:14] <ryaxnb> it's worth noting if you switch to MODE1 you can fit 800MB on a CD
[02:14] <ryaxnb> (no error correction)
[02:14] <ryaxnb> most CDs can technically hold 800MB, if need be... ;)
[02:14] <ryaxnb> whether or not burning programs are adept at fitting 800MB on them is another matter
[02:15] <ryaxnb> anyway, on ebay, the prices for direct from china 100pk of CDs & DVDs are identical nowadays
[02:15] <ryaxnb> CDs are old things
[02:15] <ryaxnb> same with DVDRW 25pk vs CDRW 25pk
[02:17] <trism> ryaxnb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1#Ubuntu (first sentence)
[02:55] <mike_sun> hi, I update my ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10 and there is no dash preview
[02:56] <mike_sun> when I click if the right button, the file is open, not show any preview
[02:56] <mike_sun> any idea?
[03:19] <mike_sun> hi, I have to enable dash preview on ubuntu 12.10 beta 1? because right click don't show any preview, just open the file
[05:34] <vega-> takes 3-4 sec for alt-tab to display the menu, blazingly fast ...
[05:35] <vega-> with 2 year old laptop, nvidia quadro nvs 160m and nvidia binary drivers
[05:35] <vega-> same with the thingie that opens from Windows key
[05:39] <vega-> also winkey-s and winkey-w functionality is dead slow, any way to improve this?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> why7 cant stuff be easy at 3am
[08:59] <smartboyhw> gnomefreak: !?
[09:03] <gnomefreak> i cant even send emails right. i need a smoke, brb
[10:26] <digidot> Are there plans for Ubuntu (Unity) to move from Compiz to Mutter?
[10:26] <digidot> Are there plans for Ubuntu (Unity) to move from Compiz to Mutter?
[10:27] <smartboyhw> Hey don't double post:)
[10:27] <smartboyhw> Isn't it moving to metacity!?!?
[10:30] <rochabk> hello everyone
[10:30] <rochabk> is ubuntu 12.10 beta 1 very unstable?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Hello rochabk
[10:30] <smartboyhw> rochabk: It should NOT bd
[10:30] <smartboyhw> *be
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Since it has already been tested
[10:31] <digidot> smartboyhw: Sorry copy/paste mistake..
[10:31] <smartboyhw> digidot: NP :)
[10:31] <rochabk> what are the common issues i might face
[10:31] <rochabk> yes NP:)
[10:31] <smartboyhw> rochabk: Well maybe you will get some bugs in certain apps
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Or crashes
[10:32] <rochabk> oH
[10:32] <smartboyhw> But at least you can USE it
[10:33] <rochabk> after  I upgrade to beta 1 should I reinstall the older apps again
[10:34] <smartboyhw> rochabk: You mean from like 12.04?
[10:34] <smartboyhw> No!
[10:34] <rochabk> yes
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Oh alright you don't need to
[10:34] <rochabk> wow
[10:34] <rochabk> thats reliefing
[10:34] <smartboyhw> LOL it upgrades FOR you
[10:35] <rochabk> oh that really good
[10:35] <smartboyhw> Yeah!
[10:35] <smartboyhw> But then after upgrade
[10:36] <smartboyhw> remember to do a "sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:39] <rochabk> okes
[10:40] <smartboyhw> okes
[10:49] <Ejdesgaard> how can it be that eclipse-3.8-rc4 is in 12.10 software-center and not eclipse-4.2 ?
[10:53] <rochabk> Ejdesgaard: I think ubuntu keep certain build in their software database
[10:53] <rochabk> at the time of their release
[10:57] <Ejdesgaard> rochabk, I can't find any 3.8 release on eclipse.org... http://wiki.eclipse.org/Simultaneous_Release
[10:58] <rochabk> Ejdesgaard: I find the answers here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11322349/eclipse-3-8-where-is-the-download-site
[11:00] <Ejdesgaard> that explains it :)
[11:07] <pwuertz> Hi, I just upgraded to 12.10 and I cannot find the option for a compact view of the contact list anymore.. is it gone?
[11:17] <rochabk> pwuertz: can you explain more?
[11:17] <pwuertz> rochabk: yea.. I just joined the irc channel for epiphany
[11:18] <pwuertz> rochabk: seems they removed the compact layout for the chat contact list
[11:18] <rochabk> oH in epiphany
[11:18] <pwuertz> rochabk: ahh sorry.. empathy
[11:20] <rochabk> Ohmy I had not used Empathy
[11:25] <Ejdesgaard> I read "Switch off" as pulling the power cord... which is kindof misleading, when I want to shut down the computer
[11:38] <mortal> do you have sound problems on quantal? latest packages installed and both my eee pc and thinkpad laptops don't produce any sound
[11:38] <mortal> they both have intel audio
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:51] <mortal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1047299 posted this
[11:57] <BluesKaj> mortal, install pavucontrol i, it's the GUI part of pulse , and gives control over your inputs and out puts , also which audio chip does alsamixer show ?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> puse is a soundserver that needs alsa to operate
[11:58] <BluesKaj> pulse
[12:27] <Bluefoxicy> hah
[12:27] <Bluefoxicy> I've upgraded but haven't yet rebooted and I restarted gnome-shell o.o
[12:27] <smartboyhw> Oh yeah? Reboot please
[13:35] <Guest3894> Has any one managed to install with disk encryption? When I tick the disk encryption box in the installer, I can't get past the next screen titled "Choose a security key". There are no dialog boxes to enter a key, and the Next button is not accessible.
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> not used i, too many headaches
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> *it
[13:42] <BluesKaj> dunno whythe devs insist on imposing lightdm on us , they could at least wait til it;s stable ...kdm works fine
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> its not imposed at all
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> its just installed by default
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> you can use kdm if yuo want
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> !info kdm quantal
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: its just like any other app, if you don't like it, use something else
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: I hate firefox, its been the default browser forever, I always remove it and install something I prefer
[13:45] <BluesKaj> I am using kdm ..but lightdm shouldn't be default 'til it's stable
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: seems stable here, never had an issue
[13:46] <BluesKaj> you can't can't remove it only disable
[13:46] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/16560/desktop-o-kubuntu-lightdm/ has some discussion around that from the last UDS
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> for the sake of 2Mb, i'm sure we'll live
[13:47] <BluesKaj> default is an imposition , when i doesn't work :)
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: firefox doesn't work
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> thunderbird...really?
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> gedit is dog slow
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: want me to continue?
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: lightdm is a dep of ubuntu-desktop you could report a bug to make it optional and then the user can install the DM of their choice
[13:52] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, I'm on the single sighn in merry-go-round , Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again.
[13:52] <tsimpson> I'll just pastebin it for you :)
[13:52] <BluesKaj> so nm , today is not starting out well :P
[13:53] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1190841/
[14:00] <jbicha> BluesKaj: you could ask for kdm to be an alternate dependency, lightdm is getting a lot more development these days & is a good choice for *buntu distros
[14:02] <BluesKaj> jbicha, it was working until the last update/upgrade ...suppose i should have mentioned that , suddenly broke ..again , guess I should be grateful that kdm still works :)
[14:33] <Guest3894> If i turn on disk encryption, what does it do when I "encrypt my home folder" during the initial user creation with the installer?
[14:38] <ironhalik> the encypt my home folder options creates an encrypted container in which your home folder resides
[14:38] <ironhalik> all your private data is encrypted and is accessible on login
[14:39] <ironhalik> but directories like /opt /etc in plain text
[14:40] <ironhalik> its a decent solution - almost no performance hit while nice security
[14:42] <ikonia> Guest3894: do you have secret data - and I do mean secret ?
[14:42] <ironhalik> like, lets say,  one million apple UDIDs :>
[14:43] <ikonia> Guest3894: unless you have genuine sensitive data that pure permission control is not enough, don't use it, it's a managment overhead you do not need
[14:43] <ikonia> Guest3894: (you are of course welcome to ignore that advice)
[14:44] <ironhalik> ikonia: well, on a laptop that can be easily stolen, browser cookies can be enough of a sensitive data
[14:44] <ironhalik> and home folder encryption is pretty much transparent
[14:45] <BluesKaj> my apologies , ActionParsnip , tsimpson , jbicha , lightdm works again after another reboot ,,,odd that it didn't load on reboot after the large upgrade the first time
[14:47] <ikonia> I'm sorry, cookies are not sensitive data, they are of little concern
[14:47] <ikonia> but if you feel the need - do it.
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: good ol windows method :)
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: don't sweat it btw it's all gooooood
[14:48] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, double reboots :)
[14:48] <Guest3894> ikonia and ironhalik does a default ubuntu partition scheme have a separate partition for /home? because otherwise /home is already encrypted when i chose to encrypt the disk
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> Guest3894: default partitioning is one single partition for / and one for swap
[14:49] <Guest3894> ActionParsnip: right, so asking me if i want to encrypt my user dir is redundant after i have encrypted the partition
[14:49] <ironhalik> true
[14:50] <Guest3894> i suppose if you want each of your users to have an encrypted home dir that would be something...
[14:50] <Guest3894> also the install just finished and whatever it did grub can't find it lol
[17:25] <user_> can i have more than 4 workspaces in Unity ?
[17:35] <trism> user_: yes, you can configure them in ccsm on the general tab
[17:55] <brot> soo, am i currently the only one who has problems installing a new version of linux-image?
[17:56] <brot> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:56] <brot>  linux-image-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.5.0-14-generic but it is not installable
[17:59] <trism> brot: -14 is still in proposed, and stuck in the NEW queue, so linux-meta (linux-image-generic) is ready but not linux (linux-image-3.5.0-14-generic)
[18:02] <IdleOne> in other words, just wait a little while and it will be there soon
[18:02] <IdleOne> soon ~= 1 minute up to 1 year
[18:03] <trism> *nods*
[18:06] <brot> mmh, i wonder when i started to use the proposed thingys
[18:06] <brot> i thought those get disabled while starting the 12.04 -> 12.10 upgrade
[18:09] <IdleOne> brot: you aren't using the proposed repo, before a package gets put into the repositories it goes into a "proposed" queue waiting to be approved.
[18:09] <IdleOne> these types of dependency issues are common during the dev cycle and usually resolve themselves fairly quickly
[18:12] <brot> disabled proposed repo, everything works like it should
[18:12] <brot> thanks :)
[18:13] <IdleOne> lol, ok.
[18:13] <brot> ( i needed to resolve that as i did some housekeeping and deleted every linux-image <3.5 :)
[20:23] <marcappuccino> Does anyone know whether the new window minimize and unminimize animations in Quantal beta 1 will be permenant?
[20:27] <ChaosEngine> greetings
[20:28] <ChaosEngine> Got funny issue under VirtualBox and U12.10 as a guest
[20:28] <ChaosEngine> Fres install finishes with empty deskltop and some error popped-out
[20:29] <ChaosEngine> no compiz, no window, nuthing
[20:29] <ChaosEngine> Updatre-SoftwareCenter crashed with DBusException in _new__();......
[20:30] <ChaosEngine> and I can only start reboot-looop-to-the same error
[21:18] <ChaosEngine> ok, scratch all that before taht came from me, everything worx
[21:19] <ChaosEngine> I'v got some earlier borked CD which had this problem, and in bet i'ts obviously fixed.
[21:20] <ChaosEngine> Sorry 4 the inconvinience ;->
[21:27] <Morgawr> hello everyone.. I'm trying to run the new ubuntu beta (12.10) on a kvm virtual machine just to see how it goes.. however when I go installing it it says that it fails on the step "Select and Install Software" after asking me what type of updates I want to use (automatic, manual, etc etc)
[21:27] <Morgawr> is this a known issue?
[21:40] <taowa> After Quetzal what is the codename
[21:43] <Daekdroom> taowa, it has not been decided yet
[21:46] <taowa> OK
[23:11] <Flumpy> Why did the most recent upgrade install gdm?
[23:16] <ChogyDan> aptitude why gdm
[23:18] <jbicha> Flumpy: because gnome-shell won't run if you don't have gdm installed
[23:19] <Flumpy> jbicha: Huh. Is that new? I haven't needed it before.
[23:20] <jbicha> the need for gdm is new, yes
[23:20] <Flumpy> Oh, okay, thanks.
[23:20] <jbicha> it might be possible to split libgdm into a separate package
[23:21] <Flumpy> I'm not going to try to force it, I was just curious.
[23:21] <jbicha> but if you want the lock screen to actually lock, you'll currently need to not only have gdm installed but have it as default
[23:42] <jbicha> yeah, it looks like Fedora is fine with only depending on the gdm library, I'll look into that