[00:21] <balloons> phillw, sure
[00:21] <balloons> speaking to smartboyhw twice in the same day
[00:21] <balloons> funzies
[00:21] <balloons> you'll still be up tomorrow.. living on the otherside of the world is weird eh?
[00:22] <phillw> balloons: yeah, it throws me as well :)
[00:23] <phillw> young benny in AUS also does that to me
[00:24] <phillw> silverarrow: wb, sorry. was on a different channel
[00:24] <phillw> I'm just asking balloons how his translations of the test cases have gone.
[00:27] <phillw> silverarrow: he's busy getting ready for a global jam. The details will trickle down for the new format, at that point lubuntu can start thinking about our own test cases.
[00:28] <balloons> indeed
[00:28] <phillw> I was not expecting this until post 12.10, so it has rather caught me on the back foot :)
[00:29] <phillw> balloons: when you have the format of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing-qt/view/head:/htmltestcases/gedit.html give me a dig & we can have an easy start to modifiying it for leafpad
[00:30] <balloons> phillw, the format that is in there, is what it will be
[00:30] <balloons> you mean for flavors? I think we've confused
[00:31] <balloons> as in in the same testcase?
[00:31] <balloons> or simply have th existence?
[00:32] <phillw> balloons: well, ubuntu does not ship leafpad, but it would be the lubuntu equivalent. So a very easy edit to make and get those interested a nice easy introduction to the test cases.
[00:33] <phillw> I can start to write up a set of instructions which can then be incorporated into 'main' wiki.
[00:34] <phillw> People are starting off at zero knowledge of the system, so it does seem a simple one to start with as an example.
[01:51] <silverarrow> Ubuntu is cleaning up dust in the corners?
[01:51] <silverarrow> or is it more serious bugs crawling around
[01:51] <silverarrow> I have spiders
[02:02] <phillw> silverarrow: we do tend to squish the big bright red ones. The grey ones take a bit more work.
[02:32] <silverarrow>  the old powerbooks have rather good battery
[02:32] <silverarrow> and ibooks
[02:32] <silverarrow> power consumption I suppose
[02:54] <phillw> silverarrow: I've got a 2nd hand packard bell, the new battery has made such a massive difference to it. I'm a big fan of getting 2nd hand kit.
[02:56] <phillw> silverarrow: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/GRADE_A2_-_Packard_Bell_Easynote_LJ71_Windows_7_Laptop_in_Black_A2-LX.BDU02.005/version.asp (Mine came with 2 X 500GB hard drives)
[07:55] <noskcaj> how do i edit the testcase, i was going to make the xubuntu ones more accurate
[08:02] <noskcaj> also the ubuntu not xubuntu bugs are listed in xubuntu
[08:02] <elfy> noskcaj: from what I can see they are completely wrong - the testcases
[08:02] <noskcaj> i would liketo try and fix them, any ideas how?
[08:02] <elfy> and I think any bugs get listed - ones I'm reported are there
[08:02] <noskcaj> ok
[08:03] <noskcaj> just some xubuntu ones arnt
[08:03] <elfy> noskcaj: really?
[08:03] <noskcaj> yes, i couldn't find the blackscreen one
[08:03] <elfy> noskcaj: the testcases we use are on the xubuntu wiki
[08:03] <noskcaj> ok
[08:03] <elfy> oh - I saw that one I am positive
[08:04] <noskcaj> k
[08:04] <elfy> but the testcase thing was talked about yesterday in xubuntu-devel
[08:05] <elfy> noskcaj: #xubuntu-devel is probably a useful channel to be in at times if you're testing xubuntu
[08:05] <noskcaj> on the iso tracker the blackscreen bug isnt listed
[08:05] <noskcaj> ok
[08:05] <noskcaj> thanks
[08:09] <elfy> mmm - can't seem to find a way to the old tests now
[08:09] <knome> bug #1010487
[08:09] <elfy> thanks knome
[08:09] <knome> np
[08:13] <noskcaj> how do i change the documentation on the testing tracker
[08:13] <smartboyhw> elfy: You can't find the tests now because they have been deleted due to no release for Beta1
[08:14] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: What do you mean? The testcases?
[08:14] <noskcaj> yes
[08:14] <elfy> smartboyhw: you used to be able to get to old testcases
[08:14] <noskcaj> i was going to fix the trackers xubuntu testcases
[08:14] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Did you subscribe to the Ubuntu QA Mail list?
[08:14] <noskcaj> yes
[08:15] <smartboyhw> You should have received an email just now, check it, it is about updating the testcases
[08:15] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: i think i'm under doak-jackson or something in it
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Sadly you don't have the permission (at least for now) and I do:)
[08:16] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Read this
[08:16] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins
[08:16] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: can i send you a draft when i'm done then?
[08:16] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/ManagementOverview
[08:16] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Sure:)
[08:16] <smartboyhw> Maybe sent the draft to the mailing list so phillw and balloons can help too
[08:17] <noskcaj> ok
[08:18] <smartboyhw> :)
[08:27] <mvo> jibel: there seems to be something wrong with the auto-package-tester result interpretation for software-center currently, is that a known issue? some tests are still failing there but it reports the thing as successful
[08:30] <jibel> mvo, yes, exit status was incorrectly reported from adt-run to the main runner
[08:30] <jibel> mvo, I fixed it
[08:30] <jibel> and re-ran the jobs
[08:30] <jibel> mvo, the nice side of things is that it made pitti happy this morning when he saw everything was green
[08:31] <pitti> *beam*
[08:38] <mvo> jibel: haha, thanks for fixing it
[08:41] <jibel> mvo,   "* lp:~mvo/software-center/adt-you-make-my-life-hard:" in s-c was not needed anymore it's clearly a bug in adt, that I fixed in the version running in the lab
[08:41] <mvo> jibel: oh? so it runs as the user by default nw? thats great
[08:43] <jibel> mvo, yes, adt-run has a - broken - option --user , I filed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686292
[08:44] <jibel> basically it runs mktemp as root, then drop privileges
[09:12] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Still here? I wanna talk about your draft
[09:13] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: PING
[09:14] <knome> smartboyhw, calm. down. NOW.
[09:14] <smartboyhw> !?
[09:14] <knome> patience, you waited for what, one minute?
[09:14] <smartboyhw> OH alright then!
[09:14] <knome> thanks.
[09:23] <noskcaj> yeah?
[09:24] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: yeah
[09:32] <noskcaj> Smartboyhm answer Me
[09:46] <smartboyhw> OK
[09:46] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: I think it can be more specific for Xubuntu.
[09:46] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Short
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Try to see if you wanna add it. If not that's OK, I will help you
[09:48] <noskcaj> i will add most of it, just might not be uo till tomorrow australian time
[09:48] <smartboyhw> OK we can wait, just finish it before Beta 2 Testing starts LOL
[09:48] <noskcaj> k
[12:53] <jp_Hranice> I have some experience with slow reaction of firefox tabs switching at 12.04.
[15:57] <balloons> phillw, ping
[15:58] <phillw> balloons: pong
[15:58]  * balloons is running lubuntu quantal
[15:58] <phillw> how do you like it?
[15:58] <balloons> i've not seen it all cycle
[15:58] <balloons> what's with the 'no indicators' in the tray?
[15:59] <phillw> I haven't got it fired up in VM atm.
[15:59] <balloons> and since you use chromium now, does that mean lubuntu will be keeping it up to date or?
[16:00] <phillw> chromium, i believe, has just had someone assign themselves to keep it updated.
[16:01] <phillw> ahh, and then un assigned themself :(
[16:01] <phillw> bug 1044307
[16:01] <balloons> yes.. it's slightly newer in quantal
[16:01] <balloons> but will lubuntu ship as default then still?
[16:02] <phillw> yes, chromium is still the default. I have the ppa enabled to pull in the builds
[16:02] <phillw> I surmise that other lubuntu users do the same.
[16:02] <balloons> isn't that an issue with being out of date?
[16:03] <phillw> it used to be maintained but the maintainer stopped. A replacement is still awaited.
[16:03] <smartboyhw> Yea phillw
[16:03] <phillw> afaik, it needs a MOTU to maintain it.
[16:03]  * smartboyhw is running Ubuntu 12.10 with Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Oh did I cut the conversation? Sorry
[16:05] <smartboyhw> Bye phillw and balloons:)
[16:05] <silverarrow> hi
[16:06] <phillw> hiyas silverarrow
[16:06] <silverarrow> how are you doing?
[16:06] <phillw> doing well,
[16:06] <silverarrow> heard anything from the ppc guys?
[16:06] <silverarrow> good to hear
[16:06] <silverarrow> ...read...
[16:07] <silverarrow> :- )
[16:07] <balloons> phillw, at any rate.. yes, it's sort of neat to see all the changes.. I'm still checking it out.. Gonna update it to beta1
[16:07] <silverarrow> there is quite a lot of acitivity on the mac forum on powerpc stil
[16:08] <phillw> silverarrow: good to hear that on the forum.
[16:08] <phillw> I've not been on that area for a while.
[16:09] <silverarrow> i think all it takes is applications and install working and people would be a bit more daring with their apple stuff
[16:11] <phillw> silverarrow: the 12.04 lubuntu ppc is quite a good release :)
[16:11] <silverarrow>  it is
[16:11] <silverarrow> with browser issues galore
[16:12] <silverarrow> everything else seems to be fine
[16:12] <phillw> silverarrow: we had a lot of that at the start of 12.10, hopefully now resolved.
[16:13] <silverarrow> I`m certain they are all small issues, just needs some attention from some capable guy or girl
[16:14] <silverarrow> like gecko and gome mplayer, they are sooooo close to working lol
[16:15] <silverarrow> and Gnome browser plugin package for mozilla,
[16:15] <silverarrow> really should work
[16:15] <silverarrow> hmtl5 lost sound
[16:15] <phillw> silverarrow: Julien does spend quite a lot of time on ppc, far more than the usage percentage really warrants, but Lubuntu did commit to support ppc and he takes commitment seriously.
[16:15] <silverarrow> minitube crashes on my G4
[16:16] <silverarrow> he has been doing a great job on the 12.04 issue
[16:16] <silverarrow> I like it better than tiger or leopard
[16:17] <silverarrow> i do hope user friendliness will encourage open source ware on ppc
[16:17] <phillw> once we get the two bugs preventing 12.10 installing, I'm sure it'll be full steam ahead again :)
[16:18] <silverarrow> mac owners are often to hesitant to try
[16:18] <phillw> He said he's going to do some further investigations now that beta 1 has landed.
[16:18] <silverarrow> you know, osx is the best and most advanced os in the world
[16:19] <phillw> lol
[16:19] <silverarrow> no matter what
[16:19] <phillw> silverarrow: what is OSX the GUI for?
[16:20] <silverarrow> operativ system (uni)X
[16:20] <silverarrow> or 10
[16:20] <silverarrow> open source have some advantages
[16:21] <phillw> yup, Berkley Unix. That's why it is inherrently safer than MS which was never designed for multiple users / internet. But that's off topic :)
[16:21] <silverarrow> i don`t know the technical stuff at all really
[16:21] <silverarrow> aqua is just name to me
[16:22] <silverarrow> is that why linux have nautilus ?
[16:23] <silverarrow> I initially thought of julius verne
[16:23] <phillw> nautilus is one of the file manager
[16:23] <phillw> s available.
[16:23] <phillw> pcmanfm is the one that lubuntu uses.
[16:24] <silverarrow> oh, of course
[16:24] <silverarrow> which sounds like a hybrid pc radio
[16:25] <phillw> he he, it's named after the authors IRC nick :)
[16:26] <phillw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMan_File_Manager
[16:27] <phillw> I don't see him on very often any more :/
[16:30] <silverarrow> if gecko and gnome mplayer would stream more easily on ppc I could brag about it on apple forums
[16:30] <silverarrow> or rather mac two users I know
[16:30] <silverarrow> lol
[16:31] <phillw> the never ending story of which mplayer to use :)
[16:32] <silverarrow> does anyone have time to assist with a log report issue I  have?
[16:32] <silverarrow> never mind the mplayer, they all seem to work
[16:32] <silverarrow> I have messed around with them
[16:32] <phillw> I can try, if it is lubuntu related, you will get better support on #lubuntu
[16:32] <silverarrow> just not the smplayer
[16:32] <silverarrow> I could not make it integrate with browser
[16:33] <silverarrow> no I have tried
[16:33] <silverarrow> it is more mplayer related or gecko
[16:33] <silverarrow> well lubuntu really
[16:33] <phillw> I don't use them, sorry.
[16:34] <silverarrow> I see
[16:34] <phillw> I'm a VLC user, sorry.
[16:34] <silverarrow> never mind then
[16:34] <silverarrow> I have tried VLC too, with even less luck
[16:34] <silverarrow> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/gnome-mplayer/bYJnJz9y2aw
[16:34] <silverarrow> however not total failure
[16:35] <silverarrow> this is what is asked of me: And can you send me the output of configure for gecko-mediaplayer,
[16:35] <silverarrow> gnome-mplayer and gmtk? Perhaps there is something in there at might
[16:35] <silverarrow> help me.
[16:36] <silverarrow> I can not find config if my life depended on it
[16:38] <silverarrow> I have been told to ask someone else a few times lol
[16:38] <silverarrow> config is just not where it should be
[16:38] <phillw> ask on the Lubuntu-QA mailing list, Lars or Walter should be able to answer.
[16:40] <silverarrow> a new suggestion
[16:40] <silverarrow> last one I asked on the lubuntu channels told me to look for margo
[16:40]  * silverarrow googles lubuntu mailing list
[16:41] <phillw> you were chatting to Walter on here yesterday.
[16:42] <silverarrow> I might bump into him again if I am lucky
[16:42] <silverarrow> I forgot to ask then really
[16:42] <phillw> wxl: ping
[16:42] <silverarrow> oh, he is walter
[16:42] <phillw> he should be on later
[16:42] <phillw> yes :)
[16:42] <silverarrow> my name is Arild
[16:43] <silverarrow> however, it doesn`t "work" that well outside Scandinavia
[16:43] <silverarrow> ..what?...
[16:43] <silverarrow> lol
[16:44] <phillw> Walter is in Oregon, USA - So is on quite a different Time Zone to us Europeans :)
[16:46] <silverarrow> that makes sense really
[16:46] <silverarrow> I was up half the night yesterday
[16:46] <silverarrow> or today really
[16:46] <balloons> time gets fuzzy doesn't it silverarrow ?
[16:47] <silverarrow> it does lol
[16:47] <silverarrow> friday came horribly fast this week
[16:47] <silverarrow> or quickly ?
[16:50] <phillw> silverarrow: I know I've been up a long time when smartboy comes back on after his nights' sleep :D
[16:51] <phillw> balloons: something odd has happened on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings It's not listing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/QA/20120905 on the master page.
[16:52] <balloons> ohh?
[16:52] <balloons> let me see
[16:52] <silverarrow> yeah, smartboy is way ahead , hong kong
[16:52] <silverarrow> 8 minutes to seven here
[16:52] <phillw> silverarrow: Benny is even further ahead... Australia!
[16:52] <silverarrow> in the evening
[16:53] <phillw> 8 mins to 6 in UK
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[16:53] <balloons> it's the regex
[16:53] <silverarrow> lubuntu is very international
[16:53] <silverarrow> or ubuntu really
[16:53] <silverarrow> all the ubuntu variants
[16:54] <phillw> balloons: ahh, regex is not an area I'm familiar with :)
[16:55] <phillw> silverarrow: indeed :)
[16:59] <phillw> balloons: how goes the bug jam?
[16:59] <balloons> we jammin'
[16:59] <balloons> lol
[16:59] <balloons> it's open-ened
[16:59] <balloons> *ended
[17:00] <balloons> it's for whomever wishes to utilize it
[17:00] <phillw> I have some new volunteers for test case writing. I'm going to write up some introductory instructions for new comers.
[17:27] <wxl> i didn't read everything (you guys talk too much)but i'm here silverarrow
[17:30] <silverarrow> hi
[17:31] <silverarrow> are you familiar with gnome mplayer and gecko ?
[17:31] <wxl> i guess i've used them
[17:32] <wxl> on ppc tho i dunno
[17:33] <silverarrow> I have been posting on a google group with a guy who is involved gnome mplayer
[17:33] <silverarrow> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/gnome-mplayer/bYJnJz9y2aw
[17:34] <silverarrow> I am hoping to smooth out some trouble
[17:34] <silverarrow> initially I though mplayer and gecko didn`t work at all
[17:35] <silverarrow> but then I discovered the commercial videos on the apple site stream all fine
[17:35] <silverarrow> mplayer worked fine with flash video repacer, but it has disappeared
[17:36] <silverarrow> FVR is only for youtube though
[17:36] <silverarrow> mostly at least
[17:36] <wxl> omg
[17:37] <wxl> i got like 1/10th of the way through and just realized this goes on forever
[17:37] <wxl> get to the point
[17:37] <silverarrow> how do I find the output of configure for gecko-mediaplayer,
[17:37] <silverarrow> gnome-mplayer and gmtk?
[17:37] <wxl> you want the configuration?
[17:38] <silverarrow> that is the question Kevin asked me
[17:38] <silverarrow> I struggle to find it
[17:38] <wxl> i have no idea either
[17:38] <silverarrow> I see
[17:39] <silverarrow> config  folder for mplayer is empty
[17:41] <silverarrow> on regular pc mplayer an gecko streams fine with half the specs
[18:23] <chilicuil> hi, doesn anyone knows what is the difference between http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/ and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com ?
[18:27] <phillw> chilicuil: laptop area is looked after by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures
[18:28] <phillw> It is slewed to the vagaries of different laptops and feeds through to the list of which laptops run ubuntu well.
[18:29] <chilicuil> phillw: so.., if I'm testing in a VM should I use iso.qa.ubuntu.com?, otherwise laptop.qa.ubuntu.com?
[18:31] <phillw> chilicuil: a VM will not really be using the parts of the laptop, it is using the generic stuff in the VM. So, I'd advise use the iso.qa.ubuntu.com until you have chance to hive off a small partition on the hard drive and install directly onto the laptop.
[18:32] <chilicuil> phillw: ok, that's great, I'll do that way, thanks
[18:32] <phillw> building up & modifying the list of laptops is important as it helps people choose between models that other wise may appear similar.
[20:25] <balloons> phillw, http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Desktop_in_the_cloud
[20:32] <phillw> interesting :)
[20:36] <noskcaj> i wonder if its implemented yet
[20:38] <noskcaj> can someone runthe xubuntu daily and64 because it seems to have a login loopbut it might just be my VM
[20:41] <phillw> noskcaj: can you check on #xubuntu, I saw a mention on the mailing list earlier.
[20:42] <noskcaj> the mailing list thing was me yesterday
[20:42] <noskcaj> also the draft testcase is ready for upload and you can edit it
[20:42] <phillw> I have the reply, just finished my dinner :)