/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/07/#ubuntustudio-devel.txt

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smartboyhwHello falktx10:24
falktxhi10:24
smartboyhwailo-w: Hi mate. How are you comfortable with 12.10?11:36
ailo-wsmartboyhw: I don't use Ubuntu much these days11:45
ailo-wsmartboyhw: I saw you postponed your work on documentation. Does that mean you are not working on it anymore?11:46
smartboyhwailo-w: No, just that I will postpone it a bit, maybe next week12:01
ailo-wsmartboyhw: postpone is only required if you are not to finish before next release12:04
smartboyhwOops sorry new to blueprints12:04
smartboyhwI will change it...12:04
ailo-wNo big deal. But it's good to see where we are at with items.12:05
smartboyhwOK changing12:06
smartboyhwailo-w: Changed:)12:08
ailo-wlen-dt: When you have time, I'd like to talk to you about some developer tasks. I'm working on the developer documentation, and there are some things I have no idea about12:17
ailo-wlen-dt: I'm going to try putting down everything we do, and howtos for them. Saves a lot of time for everyone, if we can just point to the docs when someone has questions12:19
ailo-wlen-dt: On second thought, I'll send you an email with some questions later.13:08
ailo-wThen you can just respond whenever you have time13:09
smartboyhwlen-dt is not awake today is he?13:09
len-dtailo, smartboyhw good morning.13:24
smartboyhwGM le13:25
smartboyhwlen-dt13:25
len-dtailo, found another hint13:25
len-dt"Another tip, if you have to use a slot that shares IRQs, then you have13:25
len-dtto raise the priority of all the soft interrupt threads that share13:25
len-dtthe IRQ with the soundcard, otherwise you will get a lot of xruns."13:25
len-dtIt seems on new MB it is getting harder to find slots with their own irq.13:26
len-dtPCI slots that is.13:26
ailo-wI guess often shared with usb ports13:27
ailo-wSo many of them these days13:27
ailo-wAnd what else13:27
len-dtUSB (which means some of the MB stuff) and PCIe slots too.13:27
len-dtirq 16 seems to get shared with a lot of stuff on all my machines13:28
len-dtmust be for legacy purposes13:28
ailo-wI have a bit of a problem with irq 16 on my most recent MB13:29
smartboyhwailo-w: I asked a wrong question: (applies to len-dt too) what is your view towards Ubuntu Studio 12.10 Beta 113:29
len-dtI mean a lot of these MB have 100 irqs and a lot not being used.13:29
ailo-wThe internal card is on irq 16. The device becomes unavaible after some time. An error message about IRQ, and a beep sound13:29
len-dt12.10 has two big holes (three now that ubuntu has split off their settings)13:30
len-dtwe are missing two metas and the systray is not there13:30
smartboyhwActually talking about Beta 1 13:30
smartboyhwI saw some Ubuntu Studio links have Ubuntu Studio icons and some with info icons13:31
ailo-wlen-dt: I haven't at all looked at how to upload changes to seeds, and other things13:31
len-dtOk, and? I picked what made sense to me13:31
ailo-wlen-dt: That is something I was meaning to ask of you, to write down some of the things you do13:32
ailo-wlen-dt: The Ubuntu devs are making things easy for us on the settings thing. We just need to add ubuntu-default-settings, and we're fine13:33
len-dtChanging seeds is easy. they are just text files. Putting in new metas requires more info than Micah has. He asked me to talk to Cjwatson after B113:33
ailo-wlen-dt: Would you be so kind as to write down the procedure for managing seeds in an email to me? I'll add it to the developer wiki shortly13:34
len-dtIf I can't get it done soon, I will stuff them into the graphic meta (where they were)13:34
len-dtI will see what I can do. Just address it to the dev list?13:35
ailo-wlen-dt: Or just to me, personally13:35
smartboyhwI do wonder: Since it is beta should we add it to http://ubuntustudio.org/download/ ?13:35
len-dtNo13:36
smartboyhwOh alright:)13:36
len-dtnot ready for the wild.13:36
len-dtBRB13:37
smartboyhwBRB13:37
smartboyhwYay it's our project leader scott-work!13:42
ailo-wscott-work: I was fiddling with developer documentation today, and was wondering if you could take a look. To begin with, you could help me see if I got the entire list of Ubuntu Studio Launchpad teams and projects listed at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DeveloperDocumentation#UbuntuStudio_at_Launchpad13:48
ailo-wscott-work: I'd like to sort those out, and see how we can use them to our best benefit, as we try getting more people involved in the future13:49
smartboyhwOK, so the non-active ones are the open ones, and the active ones are the closed ones LOL13:50
ailo-wGoing home now13:53
smartboyhwscott-work: I think I can help update the website13:54
smartboyhwLen-nb: You're on your notebook now14:09
ailosmartboyhw: There are enough people working on the website already, I think. What is it that you would like to change on it?14:09
smartboyhwOH yeah alright:14:10
smartboyhw:(14:10
smartboyhwI don't actually KNOW we have a Ubuntu Studio testing mail list ailo14:10
smartboyhwIs there a channel too?:)14:10
Len-nbailo,  I have put a generic kernel on my notebook to test battery use differences. I am guessing I will have to do a discharge cycle to reset things.14:11
ailoLen-nb: There's a phoronix test you could try14:11
Len-nbI did notice that I get a lot less battery life than I used to14:11
ailoOr did I spell it wrong, let me check..14:11
smartboyhwphoenix You mean?14:12
ailoLen-nb: phoronix-test-suite14:12
Len-nbI used to get almost 4 hr (3.5 anyway) now is 1.514:12
smartboyhwLen-nb: So you mean that generic kernel uses a lot more battery14:12
smartboyhwNot good14:12
Len-nbno low latency uses more14:12
Len-nbI want to see if generic uses less14:12
smartboyhwOH ok14:13
ailoLen-nb: The test suite includes a power usage test14:13
smartboyhwSO you mean lowlatency dropped from 4 to 1.5?14:13
ailoLen-nb: I'm adding some of it to Ubuntu Studio testing14:13
Len-nbok14:13
Len-nbI had thought it was a cheap battery in my cheap netbook, but there is at least one other user who has complained.14:14
ailoLen-nb: I was just looking at how to operate the phoronix-test-suite. To list tests, you do: phoronix-test-suit list-tests14:18
ailoBut, I'm not getting a list right now14:18
ailoI think it's trying to fetch them from some url14:19
ailoAnyway, I was most interested in the power usage test, as I wasn't able to find any other at the time14:19
ailosmartboyhw: The ubuntustudio-testing mail list is not active right now, but it is meant that we use it to post testing results, and anything else test related that we would like to document and save14:21
smartboyhwOh yeah14:21
ailosmartboyhw: We are lacking documentation and work tasks for new developers. This, and that many developers have become inactive, or that some tasks were never completed is the reason we have so many inactive teams and other resources14:22
smartboyhwOh alright14:22
ailoI'm going to sort that out during the months to come14:22
smartboyhwailo: I support you! :)14:23
ailoAnd hopefully it will be easier for new developers to dive into development directly14:23
smartboyhwailo: I agree. Not many devs except you and Len-nb huh?14:24
ailosmartboyhw: I don't think we need that many more core devs all the time, but if we would like to get someone helping us fast on something, even for a short time, it helps having docs ready. Also, I don't think we are making it easy for inexperienced people who want to learn and get into things step by step14:27
smartboyhwYes, Ubuntu Studio is NOT for beginners 14:27
ailosmartboyhw: I think any skill level is fine, but the work you do needs to fit your skill level14:33
ailoAlso, not everyone can just jump in and get dev rights. Even if there are enough skills. 14:33
smartboyhwOh alright. I mean using Ubuntu Studio is not mainly for beginners to touch but contributing can be for beginners14:34
smartboyhwailo: I have enough skills, I know C++, and I did some coding too LOL but then noone can easily jump in of course:)14:34
ailoThe important thing I believe is that there is an easy way to find out what needs to be done, and how one can help14:34
smartboyhwYes!14:35
ailosmartboyhw: Have you done any graphic programming? GTK?14:35
smartboyhwDone a bit UI14:35
smartboyhwBut mainly in C++ I do command line ones14:35
smartboyhwI will show you an example14:36
ailosmartboyhw: If you like, you could help Len-nb with his workflow panel idea. 14:36
smartboyhwworkflow panel...Too complicated for me:)14:37
smartboyhwI do UI at https://github.com/thesii/speechcontrol14:37
smartboyhwIt's an Artificial Intelligence software (not an ad)14:37
scott-workailo: will you be around for another thirty minutes?  i am busy at work until probably then14:38
smartboyhwscott-work is very busy today:)14:39
ailoscott-work: Yeah, I'm around. But, you can always send me an email, if you think of something, anything.14:39
ailosmartboyhw: Looks fun.14:41
ailosmartboyhw: And how are your python skills?14:41
smartboyhwpython: 014:41
smartboyhwHAHAHA14:41
smartboyhwI only learnt C++ and Visual Basic14:41
smartboyhwAnd that's enough for a 14-year-old. I learn a new language every year14:42
ailoShould be easy for you to learn python, if you can get by with the C languages14:42
smartboyhw:)14:42
ailosmartboyhw: python + GTK is not that difficult. There are some nice tutorials around14:42
smartboyhwOK I will start reading14:43
ailosmartboyhw: http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html14:43
smartboyhwThanks ailo. But then I am still more interested in testing:)14:43
ailosmartboyhw: Maybe you could help out with organizing testing procedures then. It's a bit specific for Ubuntu Studio. We don't need to test all the same things as other distros do14:44
len-dtscott-work, I have put the fix in as suggested for bug 1039792, I would like to see a more detailed look at this be done for next cycle if you can add it to your notes for next cycle blue prints14:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1039792 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] [MIR] ubuntu-default-settings" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103979214:44
smartboyhwailo: Good. Especially I am in the Testcase Admins Team:)14:44
smartboyhwailo: I'm thinking when I should apply to be Ubuntu membe14:45
smartboyhw*member14:45
ailoTeam membership is not the most important. It's more important that we get good work done14:45
ailoI have not even tried to find out about Ubuntu membership, for instance14:46
smartboyhwYeah14:46
smartboyhwailo: Oh14:46
ailoI'm going to try join Debian Multimedia team later on, cause I want to help with some packaging and bug management14:46
ailoAnd that is the only reason14:46
smartboyhwOK14:46
ailoI see it this way. There are things that could be a lot better on Debian based distros. Some things are best done with software development, some with Debian development, some with Debian derived development(such as Ubuntu Studio). Add to that, documentation that is clear and true on forums that are popular, such as the Ubuntu Studio wiki14:49
ailoAnd when you find a problem, you try to find the best place to solve it14:49
ailoSo, whether I'm a team member or not, will not help me solve any problems, if I haven't identified one, and decided where I should solve it14:49
ailoAnd that is all we are doing here. Solving problems14:50
smartboyhwsolve quizzes:)14:50
ailoI think many more would probably want to help, and would be able to, but if there's not clear information for those on how to do that, a lot of energy will just be wasted14:51
ailoAnd that's why I'd like to sort out developer documentation 14:51
len-dt+114:52
ailoEnough speech. bbl14:52
smartboyhw+114:52
smartboyhwI think I should save this up and sent it to whose who want to help ubuntu studio14:52
ailosmartboyhw: That's why I'm focused on the dev docs. The idea is that it will contain all the info people will need14:53
smartboyhwOh OK15:08
smartboyhwailo: I want to join the debian multimedia team too, but then I got a problem with one of its requirements;(15:12

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