| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| debfx | ScottK: I've uploaded a new kde-l10n-da version as it FTBFS | 11:43 |
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| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 13:15 |
| smartboyhw | Yo BluesKaj | 13:15 |
| BluesKaj | yoyo smartboyhw :) | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | yoyo | 13:20 |
| ScottK | debfx: I'll have a look. | 13:23 |
| ScottK | debfx: Accepted. | 13:37 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| ScottK | Up on 4.8.5 from proposed and it all seems good. | 15:46 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: We're several releases behind on apt-listchanges, so having a look at it would be good even if it's just to update to Sid/Wheezy. | 17:18 |
| * JontheEchidna nods | 17:18 | |
| yofel | apachelogger: what's the rationale behind a version like ~quantal0~ppa3~1 ? | 18:49 |
| txwikinger | Is everybody jamming? | 20:16 |
| JontheEchidna | taking a youtube break :P | 20:17 |
| txwikinger | Haha | 20:19 |
| * yofel tries to finish shadeslayer's package work | 20:19 | |
| yofel | fell asleep on the couch yesterday -.- | 20:19 |
| yofel | long week | 20:19 |
| * txwikinger hosting the Waterloo Global Jam | 20:19 | |
| * txwikinger woke up 4am this morning.. long day | 20:20 | |
| * yofel wonders how kdepimlibs built in the PPA with "4.9.0" in the lib install files | 20:40 | |
| yofel | something went seriously wrong with the 4.9.1 uploads | 20:41 |
| yofel | kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.9.0a) would explain how it built | 20:41 |
| yofel | do we have a general location for the automation scripts or are we still using the repos owned by debfx ? | 20:43 |
| yofel | apachelogger: ^ | 20:43 |
| yofel | apachelogger: can you please move your TODO out of the topic? At least put it on the packaging pad if nowhere else | 20:54 |
| txwikinger | Is do-release-upgrade -d not working yet? | 21:03 |
| yofel | txwikinger: check what your upgrade policy is set to, it seems like update-manager auto-set that to LTS for everyone in precise | 21:04 |
| yofel | then -d won't do anything until 14.04 | 21:05 |
| yofel | apachelogger: actually, wouldn't it make sense to use .so.4.*[.abiX] wildcards in install files? the abi version is 4 anyway, not 4.9 | 21:12 |
| txwikinger | Hmm.. maybe it is my proxy setting that is not valid here :-) | 21:18 |
| yofel | checked your upgrade policy? | 21:19 |
| txwikinger | can I do that commandline somewhere? | 21:21 |
| yofel | /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | 21:21 |
| yofel | make sure Prompt= is not set to LTS, but Normal | 21:21 |
| yofel | *normal | 21:21 |
| txwikinger | thanks yofel.. that did it | 21:23 |
| txwikinger | that is certainly a stupid default | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | yofel: rationale: not having crafted magic to translate series name to version | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | yofel: automation: kubuntu-dev-tools | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | yofel: todo: no | 21:29 |
| yofel | why not? | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | yofel: abi: yes/no | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | cause the point is that I don't forget about it :P | 21:30 |
| yofel | uh... | 21:30 |
| yofel | nvm | 21:30 |
| yofel | as for kubuntu-dev-tools: do you mean 'put it there' ? because I don't see the stuff there | 21:31 |
| apachelogger | put proper stuff there | 21:31 |
| yofel | good | 21:31 |
| yofel | then I'll fix the kde-sc-dev replacement handling and move things over | 21:31 |
| apachelogger | the present main script is not proper | 21:31 |
| yofel | didn't take a too long look at it yet, all I noticed is that it's buggy | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | very buggy | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | anywho | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | if you feel like it, throw it in, but I'll be redoing half of it :P | 21:32 |
| yofel | sure | 21:33 |
| apachelogger | which reminds me that we should have metting | 21:33 |
| apachelogger | meeting even | 21:33 |
| yofel | I just don't want us to end up modifying the same file in different places and having to merge stuff again later | 21:33 |
| apachelogger | well | 21:34 |
| yofel | for now I'll just try to patch the worst things and somehow get a proper 4.9.1 build | 21:34 |
| apachelogger | that already happened, didn't it | 21:34 |
| apachelogger | i.e. kgetsource does half the stuff initial-upload does | 21:34 |
| yofel | dunno, ask debfx about that | 21:34 |
| yofel | we should probably stick to 1 language when writing scripts | 21:34 |
| yofel | kgetsource is ruby | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | yofel: I do recommend you write a quick script for 4.9.1 | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | to get proper we only need bzr co && get source && build source | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | yofel: no we shouldn't | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | yofel: what we should have is a whole bunch of scripts in whatever language makes sense and glue them together using le bash magic | 21:36 |
| yofel | fine with me | 21:36 |
| apachelogger | the keyword really is modularity, by keeping multiple scripts for multiple tasks they can easily be glued together differently, used manually etc. etc. | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | also it allows multi-threading on process style modularity... i.e. if the host script is bash we can easily fork 5 times to run e.g. kgetsource 5 times at the same time | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | which in turn makes concurrency a no-brainer | 21:40 |
| yofel | good point | 21:40 |
| apachelogger | on a related note: dinosaurs on a spaceship! :O | 21:40 |
| yofel | that would be the proof that intelligent life exists outside earth + someone thought of the ark before Noah | 21:42 |
| yofel | btw. what was the 'no' part about the ABI? There's not really a point in being stricter about it than dpkg | 21:44 |
| yofel | except if you want to catch upstream brain failures using that... | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | exactly that being the point | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | in fact strictly speaking them adding symbols and only bumping the last digit would already count as such | 21:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Any Qt D-Bus ninjas around that can tell me why this works: http://paste.kde.org/546074/ and this fails? http://paste.kde.org/546062/ | 21:46 |
| apachelogger | for that kind of thing you'd usually bump the middel digit | 21:46 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: dinosaurs!!@#@!#% | 21:46 |
| yofel | strictly speaking, keeping 4 and breaking the ABI would already be a failure, but we have our symbol files for that | 21:47 |
| yofel | so not sure what 4.9 adds to that | 21:47 |
| apachelogger | they did not break the ABI | 21:47 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: downloading now !@#E$!#@ | 21:47 |
| apachelogger | basically it goes like ... YOUREMOVECRAP.YOUADDCRAP.YOUFEELFUNNY | 21:48 |
| yofel | uh yeah... in theory | 21:48 |
| apachelogger | yah | 21:48 |
| apachelogger | so I believe only wildcarding the last digit is the most resaonble way of doing it | 21:48 |
| yofel | I'm not sure why some folks understand that (libkdcraw is at .so.21) and some not | 21:49 |
| apachelogger | some simply don't care :P | 21:49 |
| apachelogger | "uh this is a library only we use, yeah we install it publicly and also install it's headers, but really, no one would ever use it..." | 21:50 |
| yofel | now where did I hear that last... | 21:50 |
| yofel | oh yeah, nepomuk | 21:50 |
| * apachelogger ponders showering JontheEchidna in spoilers :P | 21:51 | |
| apachelogger | or is it with | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | my my | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | I had too much coke | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | hooray | 21:51 |
| yofel | which reminds me that I need to package that nepomukwidgets thingy to unbreak neon | 21:51 |
| apachelogger | oh noes | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: wb | 21:52 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what's not working about the dbus magic? | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | do you get the signal? | 21:52 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: finished slot for my async never gets called | 21:52 |
| JontheEchidna | but calling waitForFinished to force it to be synchronous gets the error reply I want | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | hm | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | why the code looks alright | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: d->dbus is an interface I suppose? | 21:54 |
| JontheEchidna | yup | 21:54 |
| jtechidna | bleh, my connection is crap | 21:55 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| apachelogger | very nice :P | 21:56 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: yes, it's a dbus interface | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | you sure the connect() is correct? | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | I fail to parse signals that long ^^ | 21:56 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: yeah, Qt Creator tab completed it for me, plus it's the same as in the Qt docs | 21:56 |
| === skreech__ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| JontheEchidna | plus there's no runtime error saying "no such signal" | 21:57 |
| * apachelogger looks at documentation | 21:59 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what type is the transaction? | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: it doesn't get deleted before the finished signal gets emitted, does it? | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | that would explain why it does not work ;) | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it doesn't get deleted before the finished signal gets emitted, does it? | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | <apachelogger> that would explain why it does not work ;) | 22:00 |
| jtechidna | I don't think it would, the slot's the only place where it could be deleted | 22:01 |
| jtechidna | right? | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | I am talking about the Transaction object | 22:01 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| apachelogger | not the watcher | 22:01 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, actually... | 22:01 |
| JontheEchidna | now that you mention it | 22:01 |
| * apachelogger saves the day | 22:02 | |
| apachelogger | also dinosaurs | 22:02 |
| JontheEchidna | still downloading :( | 22:02 |
| JontheEchidna | in fact that may be what's causing my IRC issues | 22:02 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | the doctor munches all the bandwith | 22:02 |
| JontheEchidna | yus | 22:03 |
| Daskreech | JontheEchidna: I don't know if I should be woried but Muon hasn't worked for like amonth | 22:08 |
| * yofel has no issues with muon in quantal | 22:09 | |
| yofel | what fails? | 22:09 |
| CIA-58 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdepimlibs] Philip Muškovac * 189 * debian/ (30 files) * update install files * add new symbols to libakonadi-kde4.symbols | 22:27 |
| JontheEchidna | So I had brought an old router from home to uni. | 22:28 |
| JontheEchidna | But I forgot that it was the one that couldn't hold an IRC connection when you were running a torrent | 22:29 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: thanks. I moved the dbus watcher to TransactionPrivate, which stays on the stack as long as there is a Transaction object with a QSharedPointer to it | 22:29 |
| JontheEchidna | *stays on the heap | 22:30 |
| JontheEchidna | now... dinosaurs! | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | hf | 22:30 |
| yofel | meh, apachelogger putting invalid mail addresses in changelog ^^ | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | that happens | 22:31 |
| * apachelogger used like 5 shells to get things moving faster than the script would allow :P | 22:31 | |
| JontheEchidna | QSharedPointer is awesome | 22:31 |
| yofel | heh | 22:31 |
| JontheEchidna | automatic garbage collection for your private class, so you don't have to throw pointers to instances of your public class around :D | 22:32 |
| yofel | everytime I hear garbage collection I think of java... and shudder | 22:33 |
| * apachelogger failed to compute that line about public classes | 22:34 | |
| JontheEchidna | So, transactions are generated by the worker daemon and live on a D-Bus path until the daemon deletes them | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | the client transaction class uses a dbus adapter to keep its copy of the transaction's data up-to-date on the client side | 22:36 |
| JontheEchidna | when a transaction on d-bus goes away, LibQApt will let it's client-side transaction instances go out of scope | 22:37 |
| JontheEchidna | and if an application using libqapt still has client-side transaction instances pointing to the TransactionPrivate data, the TransactionPrivate data will stay until the application lets it's Transaction object go out of scope | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | so you have multiple transaction objects using the same private data object? | 22:39 |
| JontheEchidna | yep, their only data member is a QSharedPointer<TransactionPrivate> | 22:42 |
| JontheEchidna | the backend can keep a copy to do with what it likes, and the app using the backend can keep its own copy for displaying the data to the user | 22:42 |
| JontheEchidna | when the daemon deregisters the transaction object on D-Bus, the backend will remove its instance from its list | 22:43 |
| JontheEchidna | and when the application is done showing data from its transaction instance and it goes out of scope, the TransactionPrivate is deleted | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | common approach | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | suffice to say I prefer not having a performance penalty :P | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | though I see the usefulness ;) | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | yofel: http://paste.kde.org/546128/ | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | ;) | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | isn't it beautiful | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | I just didn't want to give users of the library to delete stuff under my nose :P | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | and I'm sure fetching data over the D-Bus is the bottleneck. There shouldn't be more than a dozen transactions active at a time in the worker anyways | 22:47 |
| yofel | :D | 22:47 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: nice :D | 22:47 |
| CIA-58 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 431 * debian/ (37 files) * Change sonames from 4.9.0/5.9.0 to 4.9.*/5.9.* * Update kdelibs5-dev.install fix uploader email | 23:25 |
| JontheEchidna | I really liked that episode of Doctor Who | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | it had dinosaurs | 23:49 |
| * apachelogger recreeates initial-upload in bash | 23:50 | |
| apachelogger | uhm | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/546134/ | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | why that was irritatingly simple -.- | 23:52 |
| * apachelogger waves fist at stupid xargs for having features all implemented | 23:52 | |
| yofel | dunno | 23:52 |
| highvoltage | heh | 23:52 |
| yofel | inital-upload does seem to have a few extra features though | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | it even works(tm) | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | what a drag | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | no fun for apachelogger :( | 23:53 |
| yofel | that is if they work | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | yofel: like? | 23:53 |
| yofel | checking if there's a point in uploading a package (0-diff) | 23:53 |
| yofel | also, build-dep bumping needs implementing, although I've that half-done here | 23:53 |
| yofel | *I'm half done with that here | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | why that's just additional magic | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | also isn't diff checking like expensive? | 23:54 |
| yofel | less expensive than forcing more updates to users - also less that can break | 23:54 |
| yofel | it's freakin's expensive indeed though | 23:55 |
| yofel | -s | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | well I just wonder | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | how often does that happen? | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | past ppa1 you only do selective uploads anyway | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | xah | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | ah | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | now I get it | 23:55 |
| yofel | with the number of packages we have here, I believe over a dozen per point release | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | diffing 4.9.1 vs 4.9.0 | 23:56 |
| yofel | right | 23:56 |
| apachelogger | that is indeed slightly expensive, so I'd not put that in initial upload TBH | 23:57 |
| apachelogger | more like archive-upload | 23:57 |
| yofel | that won't help with the PPA stuff though - if we care | 23:57 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure we should care | 23:57 |
| apachelogger | I mean, if you opt for a PPA you probably have a not-too-crappy intartubes access | 23:58 |
| yofel | as long as it's at least in archive-upload I would be fine with it | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | stuff like that is why I think we should have a meeting :P | 23:58 |
| yofel | true | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | also it would be itneresting how many false negatives a 0-diff check yields | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | because at least with the large meta sources there were at least cmakelists changes that change a version or a whitespace | 23:59 |
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