[00:00] <Santiclause> or is that just a restriction for gparted
[00:00] <tsimpson> does the windows disk manager let you change the partition scheme on the running disk?
[00:00] <Santiclause> assuming those words mean what I think they mean, yes
[00:01] <Santiclause> by which I mean that I think those words mean the following: you can add/remove/change partitions
[00:01] <tsimpson> even the system partition?
[00:02] <Santiclause> the system partition being the partition containing the OS/MBR/etc?
[00:02] <tsimpson> if it does, then I'm guessing it does some voodoo and works around it
[00:02] <Santiclause> no, it can't change that
[00:02] <Santiclause> but that's not what I'm trying to change
[00:02] <Santiclause> I'm trying to change some 12 gb "recovery partition"
[00:02] <Santiclause> not the 100 mb one added by windows 7, I think this is a 3rd party oem partition
[00:03] <Santiclause> alright, gparted is downloaded, let's see if I can mount it with daemon tools and see what's what
[00:04] <tsimpson> well changing the partition table on a disk that's in use is generally not a good thing
[00:04] <Santiclause> oh well :|
[00:04] <tsimpson> there's always wubi if you can't fiddle with the partition scheme
[00:04] <Santiclause> I don't want to do that
[00:04] <Santiclause> I want an honest-to-goodness install
[00:05] <Santiclause> oh, this gparted thing is something I have to boot in to
[00:06] <Santiclause> argh this is frustrating
[00:06] <tsimpson> if the disk manager won't let you remove the "recovery" partition, there's not much choice until you get external bootable storage
[00:06] <Santiclause> at this point I'm just trying to access the recovery partition to see what's in it
[00:06] <tsimpson> though, I will say that I have no experience with the net-boot option, so maybe there are ways around it
[00:07] <Santiclause> hmmm
[00:07] <Santiclause> I do have an external USB hard drive
[00:07] <datruth> if I remove modem-manager will I be able to connect to the internet?
[00:07] <Santiclause> hmmmmm
[00:08] <Santiclause> can I partition the external drive and make a bootable partition on it and boot gparted using that?
[00:11] <tsimpson> Santiclause: you should be able to using this tool http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[00:11] <tsimpson> it says it supports GParted, so that should  work
[00:39] <Santiclause> alright, I set up a bootable 20 gb partition on the external, and put gparted on it
[00:39] <Santiclause> here's hoping shit works :|
[01:02] <Santiclause> auhgghghg
[01:02] <Santiclause> this is getting frustrating >:|
[01:03] <Santiclause> I took a screenshot of what gparted was showing me
[01:03] <Santiclause> http://i.imgur.com/b5TJv.jpg
[01:03] <Santiclause> I mounted the first two to confirm that they were actually my C:\ and D:\ drives (they were) - so, it looks like, I dunno
[01:04] <Santiclause> I don't fukken know
[01:04] <Santiclause> the partition sizes are fucked up or something
[01:04] <IdleOne> Santiclause: please don't swear
[01:06] <Santiclause> at this point I feel like just giving up and installing kubuntu on my external instead, and leaving my laptop's internal pristine and linux-free. :|
[01:55] <Santiclause> so
[01:55] <Santiclause> I just ran testdisk
[01:56] <Santiclause> and it's the first ray of sunshine I done seen't
[01:56] <Santiclause> http://pastebin.com/2QVsEXW7 is the log file for it
[01:56] <Santiclause> it analyzed it and what came out looked like what it's supposed to look like, but I didn't know what to do after that - I was scared to hit "write" in case it just effed up my hard drive's partitions
[04:13] <phunyguy> Is it possible to automount a network share at logon, without mounting it for all users? (read: without using /etc/fstab)
[04:43] <phunyguy> nevermind.  Just found smb4k again (which didn't for for me several years ago). Works like a champ now!
[05:07] <scarecrow> unable to install to USB on Gateway nv53 laptop. installer crashes. this time it crashed during installation of the language packs. i have tried using CDs, DVDs and different USBs as the installation source. i have tried installing to different USBs as the destinations. I have even tried running the install on a different laptop that has already successfully performed this install method before.
[05:07] <scarecrow> any ideas?
[05:08] <scarecrow> i have tried different ISOs as well as different distrobutions all together
[05:54] <manhhai> hello
[05:55] <scarecrow> hiya
[08:42] <CrowX-> hi
[08:42] <CrowX-> does kubuntu have aptitude installed by default?
[08:43] <CrowX-> and if not, would just apt-get install aptitude make it "just work"?
[08:43] <tsimpson> CrowX-: not by default, but yes, you can just apt-get it and it works
[08:51] <CrowX-> tsimpson, thanks
[10:13] <contrast> Greets, everyone. Anyone know whether it's possible to automatically run a command whenever Plasma crashes? I'm trying to implement an automated workaround for the bug which causes the system tray to fill up with empty entries.
[10:22] <CrowX-> is there a way to become a root in kubuntu without writing sudo before every command?
[10:22] <CrowX-> like simply writing "su"
[10:23] <CrowX-> in other distros
[10:30] <tsimpson> CrowX-: sudo -i
[10:51] <Mitchell92> Hey... anyone able to help me with tethering my laptop with my blackberry via bluetooth? Ican't seem to find the place in the network settings where it would list a bluetooth DUN connection.
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey All
[12:17] <monkeyjuice> morning BluesKaj
[12:19] <BluesKaj> 'morning monkeyjuice
[12:20] <monkeyjuice> need a good walk thru on dual booting , the partitions in windows seems to be giving  people a hard time ...
[12:22] <faLUCE> ++
[12:24] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, one thing to remember , windows always looks for /dev/sda first upon installation
[12:25] <monkeyjuice> well its the 4 partitions that windows uses that kills the install , and its hard to partition one for linux
[12:25] <monkeyjuice> very confusing for new users
[12:26] <monkeyjuice> i guess there are just to many options ,,
[12:28] <BluesKaj> best to create the windows partition as the first one , and make sure the rest of the disk is partitioned to ext for linux previous to the windows install
[12:28] <monkeyjuice> well its the systems that have windows preinstalled that are the problem, they come with 4 partitions ,
[12:29] <monkeyjuice> thats why we need a good walkthru on partitioning the open partition for linux to use
[12:30] <monkeyjuice> ive not found one yet
[12:36] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, 4 primaries ?
[12:37] <monkeyjuice> ya thats what im seeing , have to get an open partition
[12:39] <Taggnostr2> hello
[12:39] <Taggnostr2> my pc is having some problem: http://dpaste.com/798162/
[12:43] <monkeyjuice> how old is your  pc?  hd
[12:43] <monkeyjuice> Taggnostr2: ^
[12:44] <Taggnostr2> the pc is 5-7 years old, the hd too probably
[12:44] <Taggnostr2> I was having random freezes (with blinking leds on the keyboard) in the past days
[12:45] <Taggnostr2> now it looks like it didn't freeze but everything is segfaulting from the terminal (firefox and kate still work though)
[12:45] <monkeyjuice> could be hd failiing, could be buggy program, what destro you using
[12:46] <Taggnostr2> kubuntu 12.04
[12:47] <Taggnostr2> I had random freezes for a while, but they weren't really common in the past
[12:47] <Taggnostr2> fwiw I don't have much free space on the hd, not sure if that's related
[12:47] <monkeyjuice> that could be part of it too
[12:49] <monkeyjuice> it just cant find the part of the  program it needs to run. what ever that is ..
[12:52] <Taggnostr2> monkeyjuice, is there anything I can do about it? try to free some space on the disk? any log I could check for error messages?
[12:55] <monkeyjuice> could look in ksystemlog see if there is anything
[12:55] <monkeyjuice> not sure if it will show errors but ..
[12:56] <Taggnostr2> ok, let's see if the pc starts again first
[12:56] <Taggnostr2> now I killed X and the screen is just messed up and frozen
[13:00] <Taggnostr2> monkeyjuice, there are a few errors like "NVRM: os_pci_init_handle: invalid context!"
[13:01] <Taggnostr2> and "NVRM: os_map_kernel_space: can't map 0xd8000000, invalid context!"
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2 , check system settings>partition manager to see how much space you are using on your partitions , or do , df -h in the termianl
[13:05] <BluesKaj> err terminal
[13:06] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, both /dev/sda1 and sdb1 show 100%, with 600/700MB free (the disks are 110GB each)
[13:07] <BluesKaj> that's not much free space but it shouldn't be causing errors , Taggnostr2
[13:10] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, do you have a HP Tolols parition ? if so many users just delete it with gparted to make room for an ext priimary on another part of the disk
[13:10] <BluesKaj> HP tools
[13:13] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, I'm quoting here :"One thing that is not well publicised is that Windows 7 and I believe vista does not need to be on a primary partition. as long as the boot partition is on a primary partition the OS can sit on a logical disk on an extended partiton."
[13:13] <BluesKaj> http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/41178-too-many-primary-partitions.html , monkeyjuice
[13:38] <Taggnostr> now I got this error: "ata3.00: device reported invalid CHS sector 0"
[13:41] <Taggnostr2> another error while trying to open dolphin about the plasma desktop
[13:43] <Taggnostr2> and when I open the menu most of the icons are missing
[13:44] <Taggnostr2> tried again to open dolphin, now the mouse is frozen and dolphin is half-loaded with "the process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" on the status bar
[13:45] <Taggnostr2> the clock in the application bar is still running though, but the mouse is frozen and the leds on the keyboard don't change if I hit e.g. caps lock
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Taggnostr2, do you have separate / and /home partitions ?
[14:06] <Taggnostr2> BluesKaj, looks like I don't
[14:06] <BluesKaj> I think you need more room
[14:07] <Taggnostr2> I can free space if necessary, but I think I'll try a memtest first
[14:16] <contrast> Anyone know of a way to monitor the plasma-desktop process and automatically run a command after it crashes/restarts?
[14:18] <natman> hi, anyone been using Telepathy for IM, how does it compare to Kopete? worth getting?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !IM
[14:22] <contrast> natman: From the little bit that I've used it, it seems at least as good as Kopete, so long as you don't need Skype integration (which only Kopete has).
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !telepathy
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !info telepathy
[14:23] <contrast> !info kde-telepathy
[14:23] <contrast> hrmm
[14:24] <natman> contrast: ubottu whats all that about installing it and not in precise?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> there isn't a lot of discussion about IMs these days , so it's difficult to know
[14:26] <BluesKaj> natman, there's a kde version for kubuntu , it's native to gnome/ubuntu
[14:26] <contrast> Facebook more or less killed the traditional instant messaging paradigm.
[14:26] <jake__> Hi, I'm using Kubuntu 12.10b1, and when I try to launch KTimeTracker I get the error "Could not create the KTimeTracker part."
[14:27] <natman> BluesKaj: thanks, about to install 12.04.1 hopefully will get it soon
[14:27] <BluesKaj> paradigm ...heh
[14:27] <natman> contrast: Facebook killed IM ??? eek hope not, and im not on facebook
[14:29] <contrast> natman: I was just referring to how 90% of people seem to have stopped using instant messaging programs and just use Facebook chat instead.
[14:31] <spawn57> or whatsapp
[14:31] <natman> contrast:  honestly had not noticed. Pity really hate everyone thinking Facebook is the only way to do everything - was on it for a while, everytime i met a friend i had nothing to talk about since i seen their updates. Just got sick of it.
[14:33] <contrast> Anyone know where to find the stand-alone source for the KRunner dictionary plug-in (https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeplasma-addons/repository/revisions/master/show/runners/dictionary)? Having trouble locating it since it was merged into kdeplasma-addons.
[14:37] <datruth> if I remove modem-manager will I be able to connect to the internet?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> datruth, are you running without network manager , if so modem manager is unnecessary
[14:47] <kbroulik> datruth: modem manager is for connecting to moble broadband devices (such as 3G surfstick), NM should run without it although I dont know if MM is a dependency, but I think it is not
[14:48] <kbroulik> it has nothing to do with your generic ethernet or wifi connections
[14:48] <datruth> ok I'll try to remove it then
[14:48] <datruth> thats for 3g and 4g cards?
[14:48] <kbroulik> are you running out of space or is it causing trouble or why are you willing to remove it in the first place?
[14:48] <datruth> rather than removing it could I just diable it?
[14:48] <datruth> kbroulik: slowing down my boot time
[14:49] <kbroulik> hm just saw that MM is a dependency of NM
[14:49] <datruth> ;/
[14:49] <datruth> Does modprobe need to run everytime at boot-time?
[14:52] <kbroulik> datruth: you could try renaming the /etc/init/modemmanager.conf
[14:53] <kbroulik> to modemmanager.con_ or so, that should disable it but I dont know the side effects :)
[14:53] <datruth> hrmm
[14:53] <datruth> Anyway to stop fsck from running everytime on boot?
[14:56] <kbroulik> datruth: /etc/fstab the last digit (usually 1 on your / partition) controls fsck, change it to 0 to prevent fsck from running there on startup
[14:56] <kbroulik> but those are really things you wouldnt want to do :) http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-MZ-7PC064B-WW-256MB-6-0Gbps/dp/B007BBQPBO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347116096&sr=8-1 buy this instead ;)
[15:14] <z1lt0id> Out of curiosity does anyone have issues with x not starting automatically when installing nvidia drivers on 12.10?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, only if you didn't reboot
[15:16] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: Interesting after I rebooted the second time with the drivers installed I always had to type startx.
[15:16] <z1lt0id> i also had issues with it detecting i had a proprietary card
[15:16] <z1lt0id> my fault for having a new nvidia card
[15:17] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, what kind of driver , from nvidia's site or the nividia-current from the kernel source ?
[15:18] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj, the nvidia-current driver.  The card is a GTX 670.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, then it may not be the driver itself , did you run sudo nviidia-xconfig
[15:20] <z1lt0id> that i did not
[15:20] <z1lt0id> that could resolve the issue.
[15:20] <z1lt0id> either way i think i'll wait for beta 2 before doing the next upgrade :)
[15:21] <z1lt0id> but thanks for that, i did not think of doing the nvidia-xconfig
[15:23] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, also it could be your DM ...if you're running lightdm then you may be have a problem ...i did
[15:26] <DarthFrog> Is lightdm still the default in 12.10?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, yes
[15:27] <BluesKaj> it's fixed in 12.10 now , at least on my setup
[15:27] <DarthFrog> Hmm, seems strange to me.  KDM is the natural DM for Kubuntu, I would think.
[15:28] <datruth> kbroulik: YOU ARE THE MAN!!! thank you
[15:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , I reinstalled kdm while lightdm was broken
[15:29] <datruth> hrmm there is 12.10?
[15:29]  * datruth googles
[15:29] <z1lt0id> that is it
[15:29] <BluesKaj> datruth, I'm running 12.10
[15:29] <kbroulik> datruth: beta 1
[15:29] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: sorry lightdm gets broken after the nvidia drivers are installed
[15:29] <datruth> oh its beta
[15:29] <z1lt0id> that is what happened with me
[15:29] <kbroulik> hail to the beta software shippers in kubuntu! …
[15:30] <kbroulik> *cough* lightdm *cough* telepathy kde *cough* rekonq in natty *cough* …
[15:30] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, are you logging in with the TTY ?
[15:30] <z1lt0id> correct
[15:30] <kbroulik> (I was really surprised to find telepathy kde being updated to 0.5, I thought it was in 0.4.1 and then left this way - would not have surpsied me)
[15:30] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: i have to put my user/pass in the console
[15:31] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: once accepted then I type startx
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yes , I've had to dothat for a few weeks now on 12.10, z1lt0id
[15:31] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj:  Is the bug still there at this point in time -- or has it since been resolved?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I kept hoping lightdm was going to be fixed , and it seems to be now , but I don't know if the fix works fore 12.04
[15:32] <datruth> BluesKaj: is 12.10 stable?
[15:33] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: If it is fixed, I am more than happy to try the upgrade path from within 12.04.  Should have too much difficulting updating itself.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> datruth, at the moment it is ,... but I keep a 12.04 install on a separate partition ...12.10 is strictly for testing
[15:34] <datruth> hmm
[15:35] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj: Realistically I should just wait one week before official release and then install :)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> z1lt0id, if you want more stability , then wait til  a week or 2 after it's release
[15:36] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[15:36] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj, true -- but i'm impatient ;)
[15:37] <z1lt0id> Thanks to Ubuntu release schedules I also get the newest release a few days around my birthday in October.  haha
[15:37] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:39] <lee_> hi all
[15:39] <z1lt0id> i've just spent a grueling week trying to figure out a weird kernel that shows my solid state hard drive reading out bad crc errors.  But after some hunting down the hard drive is fine.  It is just an issue with current gen ssd drives and the latest kernel releases.  For a moment there I was worried I needed to buy a new hdd. Haha
[15:42] <BluesKaj> well, my position is that a "production machine " , used in the workplace should always stick to the latest "Official Release" , due the instability and unpredictability of alpha and beta OSs , and most support ppl will say the same thing
[15:43] <z1lt0id> BluesKaj,  Oh definitely.  This bug was with every distro I tried due to a kernel bug which surprisingly found a solution in launchpad out of everywhere.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> too bad so many bugs reported to launchpad are filed away as dupes and don't get looked at even tho technically they aren't dupes at all
[15:45] <BluesKaj> kmail and kontact and kate segfaults for example
[15:45] <z1lt0id> i've noticed that
[15:46] <z1lt0id> i don't use kmail and kontact much though
[15:48] <BluesKaj> I received 5 dupe notices everyday for months til I unsubscribed from the reports ...it was annoying
[16:12] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[16:23] <BluesKaj> hmm the repos are having either a lot of traffic or there's something wrong with dependencies here
[16:26] <BluesKaj> stuck at 8% waiting for headers , for the last 10 mins
[16:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you updating to 12.10 beta 1?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> already have
[16:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what does downloading have to do with dependency?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> the depenceies are part of the download . and if they aren't found then the download stalls
[16:28] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no it wont
[16:28] <BluesKaj> err dependencies
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: it will display an error
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: did you try a different server?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> ok , well it won't install...there's not much diff erenc e IMO
[16:29] <BluesKaj> the effect is the same
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what are you installing?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> headers for the new kernel
[16:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: using main server or a local one?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> it's moving but it's very slow ... my mirrors are topnotch , no need to change them
[16:33] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you installing from muon or terminal. can you see the download speed?
[16:35] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: where you able to upgrade to 12.10 beta from 12.10 alpha?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> can't see the DL speed when it's waiting for headers , just gives a percentage applied
[16:35] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: I get a hash sum mismatch at the moment
[16:37] <BluesKaj> I was using apt-fast but I think I'll stop using it ..had some failures that had to be corrected with apt-get
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Err http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com quantal/multiverse Translation-en_CA
[16:38] <BluesKaj>   Bad header line [IP: 91.189.92.183 80]
[16:39] <SIR_Taco> there is a bad storm moving by here in Ontario... maybe university of waterloo is down?
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> ya, try a different server
[16:39] <BluesKaj> looks like it might be , SIR_Taco , that's my main server
[16:42] <SIR_Taco> thunderstorms with 90km/h winds... possibility of tornadoes, fun times
[16:43] <SIR_Taco> "Emergency management Ontario recommends taking cover immediately when threatening weather approaches." haha
[16:48] <BluesKaj> I'm north of you guys by some 300km so it's just cloudy here
[16:48] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco,
[16:50] <Santiclause> Anybody around who knows things about disk partitions 'n stuff?
[16:56] <DarthFrog> !ask | Santiclause
[17:03] <Santiclause> I asked cause some fellow was helping me earlier, but, sure
[17:03] <BluesKaj> "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_universe_i18n_Translation-en, E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened". Definitely a broken header blocking the upgrade
[17:04] <Santiclause> Trying to install kubuntu with unetbootin, and there's something fiddly with the partitions on my laptop.
[17:04] <Santiclause> http://imgur.com/a/4Uxaa
[17:04] <Santiclause> in the top you can see the (significantly more correct) partitions that the Windows disk management reports
[17:05] <Santiclause> and on the bottom is the screenshot of gparted thinks is the partitions
[17:05] <Santiclause> of what gparted*
[17:05] <Santiclause> I mounted /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 to see what they were, and they were in fact my C:\ and D:\ drives, so the labels are right but the sizes are super duper wrong
[17:06] <Santiclause> and it even looks like gparted is reporting a fifth partition of size 992.50 KiB
[17:09] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: did you start the installation process and close it and/or it crashed?
[17:10] <Santiclause> I closed the installation process for kubuntu, because it was also showing those fiddly partitions
[17:10] <Santiclause> i.e I didn't start it
[17:11] <Santiclause> the last thing I did last night before I gave up was I ran testdisk
[17:11] <Santiclause> I had a screenshot of that but it didn't save properly
[17:11] <Santiclause> but I do have the logs
[17:11] <Santiclause> http://pastebin.com/2QVsEXW7
[17:12] <Santiclause> I didn't want to write anything in case it messed with the partition table unrecoverably, but it looks like it was able to find out how things are supposed to be
[17:12] <Santiclause> but I'm not sure what to do with it at that point
[17:12] <SIR_Taco> this is a laptop?
[17:15] <SIR_Taco> if I were to bet: sda2 = system recovery, sda3 = recovery program/boot loader, sda4 = your regular windows partition. Not sure about sda1, seems small and odd
[17:15] <Santiclause> uh
[17:15] <Santiclause> you mean the one that gparted is reporting?
[17:15] <Santiclause> no
[17:15] <Santiclause> the gparted reports are just wrong
[17:15] <Santiclause> because I mounted sda1 and sda2
[17:16] <DarthFrog> Try cfdisk, from the command line.
[17:16] <Santiclause> and they correspond to both my windows partitions
[17:16] <Santiclause> will cfdisk see the same things as fdisk?
[17:17] <Santiclause> because sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda showed the same things as gparted
[17:17] <Santiclause> I think the best bet to fixing it is testdisk since it showed all the proper information, but I don't know what to do with testdisk :@
[17:18] <Santiclause> I don't know which one to set as bootable, etc
[17:22] <DarthFrog> cfdisk is stricter than fdisk.
[17:24] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: do you have a UEFI system?
[17:27] <SIR_Taco> everything I can find about Gparted/Gdisk etc. displaying wrong partition info is related to UEFI (windows disk manager reads the GPT, while Gparted reads the MBR, which is out of date)
[17:31] <contrast> Just recently, whenever I set a window to show on all Activities, it also shows on all desktops ("Different widgets for each desktop" is unchecked). Any idea what could be causing this?
[17:34] <Santiclause> it looks like it probably is uefi
[17:34] <Santiclause> http://superuser.com/questions/304004/how-to-know-if-my-bios-supports-uefi
[17:34] <Santiclause> there is an EFI folder in C:\Windows\Boot\, so
[17:41] <Santiclause> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/index.html
[17:41] <Santiclause> I'm reading through this
[17:41] <Santiclause> and it looks like I can try poking around with gdisk
[17:42] <Santiclause> ...or maybe I shouldn't :|
[17:42] <Santiclause> "GPT fdisk does so automatically when you launch it. Be aware, though, that this conversion renders a BIOS boot disk unbootable until the boot loader is re-installed."
[17:44] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[17:44] <SIR_Taco> doesn't look like a lot of fun... to be honest
[17:46] <Santiclause> x_x
[17:46] <Santiclause> I really don't want to screw up my hard drive, so I think I'll just install kubuntu on to an external hard drive :|
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Santiclause: That's safest.  You can install it onto a USB thumbdrive.  Or put a second HD in your system.
[17:49] <Santiclause> I don't think a second HD would fit in my laptop
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Don't forget to do a backup of your current system before doing the install.
[17:49] <Santiclause> ehhhh? why?
[17:50] <Santiclause> I would be installing it to a different location
[17:50] <DarthFrog> Cuz then the universe will know there's no point in screwing you up. :-)
[17:50] <Santiclause> :||||||||||||||
[17:50] <DarthFrog> Don't forget, the universe is not only animistic, it's antagonistic. :-)
[17:50] <SIR_Taco> ;)
[17:51] <Santiclause> I'd rather not back up 200 gb of music over usb 2.0
[17:51] <Santiclause> :/
[17:51] <DarthFrog> And if you lose said 200 GB of music?
[17:52] <Santiclause> I have the majority of it on my desktop at home
[17:52] <Santiclause> just no access to that desktop until christmas
[17:53] <DarthFrog> Up to you, of course.
[17:54] <BluesKaj> your windows install might up to 4 partitions for recovery conputer/manufaturers tools , page file and the ntfs partition
[17:54] <Santiclause> yup
[17:54] <Santiclause> well
[17:55] <Santiclause> mine has the windows 7 recovery partition, and then a manufacturer recovery partition, then the windows 7 partition and finally a "data" partition
[17:55] <BluesKaj> computer/manufaturers tools
[17:55] <Santiclause> but I'm not sure if those are actually "primary partitions"
[17:55] <BluesKaj> can be deleted
[17:55] <Santiclause> you'd think that
[17:56] <Santiclause> but I can't delete it
[17:56] <Santiclause> :|
[17:56] <BluesKaj> yes they're primaries in most cases
[17:56] <BluesKaj> gparted live cd / mediacan
[17:59] <kensuaga> Please forgive me this is my first time here and fairly new to linux. My first question is how do i properly ask for help on an issue.
[17:59] <DarthFrog> kensuaga: Just ask.
[18:00] <DarthFrog> !ask | kensuaga
[18:02] <SIR_Taco> wow... I really haven't looked much into UEFI... what a pain in the butt
[18:02] <BluesKaj> the new replacement for the bios ,,,expected there would be problems
[18:07] <kensuaga> i have been messing around with a game called Coldest. I want to get the best visual quality out of the game so i maxed out the all the settings and after the the game will not start. this is the error i get. # restartgl must be included to initialize OpenGL
[18:07] <kensuaga> restartgl
[18:07] <kensuaga> SDL Initialized
[18:07] <kensuaga> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[18:07] <FloodBotK1> kensuaga: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:09] <DarthFrog> kensuaga:  From the command line, what is the result of this command?  "glxinfo | grep endering"
[18:11] <kensuaga> direct rendering: Yes : GL_NV_path_rendering, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite,
[18:15] <DarthFrog> Hmm.
[18:15] <SIR_Taco> kensuaga: is it possible you set the resolution to a mode not supported by your video card and/or monitor?
[18:16] <kensuaga> i think it was the AA or AF
[18:16] <kensuaga> i can not get back into the game to bring it down
[18:17] <DarthFrog> kensuaga: Well, the game must have a config file.  You could try renaming that, so the game can't load it and start over.
[18:18] <kensuaga> i have delete the game and even redownloaded it, but it seems like the setting never go back to defualt
[18:18] <DarthFrog> That's cuz the same config file is present.
[18:18] <SIR_Taco> kensuaga: is there a '.coldest' or something along those lines in your home directory?
[18:19] <DarthFrog> Look for a .coldestrc or something similar.
[18:19] <DarthFrog> BTW, the "rc" at the end of a file name usually means "run control".
[18:20] <DarthFrog> If you simply delete that file, you'll start afresh.
[18:21] <kensuaga> ahhhhhh hidden files and folders
[18:22] <DarthFrog> kensuaga:  ls -la .col*
[18:23] <kensuaga> that fixed it! thank you
[18:23] <DarthFrog> Glad to hear it.
[18:25] <Santiclause> hum
[18:26] <Santiclause> so, I just used universal usb installer on a 50 gb partition of the external hard drive, and I can run that fine
[18:26] <Santiclause> but it looks like it's not really "installed" on to my external hard drive?
[18:26] <Santiclause> should I use unetbootin on my desktop to install on to that 50gb partition?
[18:33] <DarthFrog> !unetbootin
[20:00] <santiclause> so, I tried to install kubuntu on to my external hard drive, and it froze at "93% - Copying installation logs"
[20:02] <Santiclause> I'm currently in the live cd with unetbootin - how do I install on to the external drive without the "Install Kubuntu 12.04.1 LTS" thing? I want to be able to access a terminal while it installs
[20:02] <Santiclause> to see what's going wrong, etc
[20:11] <Santiclause> Well, I guess I'll just try installing once more.
[20:17] <SIR_Taco> Santiclause: it seems you could mount the installation CD via VirtualBox, and install it directly to the usb drive while in windows: http://mintarticles.com/read/operating-systems-articles/how-to-install-portable-linux-ubuntu-on-a-bootable-usb-flash-drive-from-sun-virtualbox,13641/
[20:17] <SIR_Taco> CD iso I meant
[20:50] <Santiclause> sigh
[20:51] <Santiclause> at least I found out that there's a minimize
[20:51] <Santiclause> so I'm still logged in to the live kubuntu
[20:51] <Santiclause> but it's stuck at the same thing again - 93%, copying installation logs
[20:51] <Santiclause> :|
[20:53] <Santiclause> yikes
[20:53] <Santiclause> I just used top, and ubiquity is at 100% cpu
[20:54] <Santiclause> what the hell is it doing >:|
[21:26] <Santiclause> alright, well
[21:26] <Santiclause> I just set the partition to be bootable, even though the installation didn't "technically" finish, hope that lets me use it :|
[21:55] <Deet`> !wifi
[21:59] <designbybeck> greetings, i decided to get in kde today... been awhile. how do I check to see if I have the latest distro? and how do i upgrade it if not?
[22:00] <Deet`> designbybeck http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release check the topic yo
[22:01] <designbybeck> Deet`:  via command line?
[22:01] <Deet`> sudo apt-get update
[22:01] <designbybeck> hmm ok i did that
[22:01] <designbybeck> didn't think that upgraded the  distro too
[22:02] <monkeyjuice> lsb_release -a
[22:03] <designbybeck> that's it! thanks monkeyjuice i can ever remember that one
[22:03] <designbybeck> and it looks like i am on 11.10
[22:04] <monkeyjuice> not a fan of upgrades   like fresh install better
[22:04] <monkeyjuice> but you can get to 12.04
[22:04] <Santiclause> aggggggggghhh I'm about to throw this thing against a goddamned wall
[22:04] <designbybeck> this is on  my netbook, i just play with distros, so i don't care doing updates
[22:04] <Santiclause> I can't even install on to the external hard drive because it keeps freezing at "copying installation logs" and I have no freaking idea how to fix it :|||||||
[22:04] <designbybeck> monkeyjuice: is there a way to do it from the commandline?
[22:05] <designbybeck> i was thinking sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would do it
[22:05] <designbybeck> but didn't
[22:05] <monkeyjuice> do apt-get update and upgrade first
[22:05] <designbybeck> i did try that, but let me do it again
[22:06] <monkeyjuice> just so your up to date with 11.10
[22:06] <monkeyjuice> then upgrade
[22:06] <designbybeck> which way to upgrade in kubuntu?
[22:06] <designbybeck> my software sources show all releases instead of just LTS
[22:08] <monkeyjuice> http://askubuntu.com/questions/136148/upgrade-from-11-10-to-12-04-no-upgrade-option-available-in-update-manager designbybeck
[22:08] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  sorry your having so much trouble
[22:09] <Santiclause> I don't even understand why I'm having so much trouble
[22:09] <Santiclause> it hates me ;_;
[22:09] <thechef> Hi
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> na its that dang window 7 ;)
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> hello thechef
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> you added a hd Santiclause
[22:09] <monkeyjuice> ?
[22:09] <Santiclause> windows 7 shouldn't be interfering with my ability to install on to the external drive
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> usb?
[22:10] <Santiclause> I'm doing it from a live boot kubuntu
[22:10] <Santiclause> on to a usb external
[22:10] <Santiclause> yeah
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> ah usb kind of buggy i think
[22:10] <Santiclause> but ubiquity was freezing every time it got to "copying installation logs"
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> laptop?
[22:10] <Santiclause> yeah
[22:10] <Santiclause> I mean
[22:10] <Santiclause> everything else is on the drive at that point
[22:10] <monkeyjuice> afk brb
[22:11] <Santiclause> is there anything else that happens after "copying installation logs"? could I try to somehow simulate completing the installation?
[22:11] <Santiclause> I tried to make the partition bootable but that didn't work
[22:12] <monkeyjuice> sorry im eating ;)
[22:12] <designbybeck> that got the ball rollin' thank you monkeyjuice
[22:13] <thechef> uff.. finally this hassle is over. I know what Distro I'm going to use after Ubuntu 10.04 reachs end of life. This one :-) I evaluated mint, cinnamon, gnome3, xfce - Performance is now really good, compared to the young KDE4 days, wow and seems to beat all other desktops according to Phoronix and my personal experience.
[22:16] <thechef> ah of course I evaluated Unity, but it was not really evaluation - It was rather endless bug reporting about the Dash and how you can make yourself coffee between pressing the super-key and seeing the dash appear..
[22:18] <monkeyjuice> ok 2 hotdogs and cold beer ready to go ;)
[22:20] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  you still there?
[22:21] <Deet`> ok, here's my delimma. installed some form of Ubuntu, forgot which one, but i'm stuck with no gui, command line only and i need to get my wifi card connected so i can update and try to fix the gfx driver. how exactly can i get the wifi running through command line?
[22:21] <Deet`> i also have no ethernet, physically broken
[22:21] <Santiclause> I'm here, yeah
[22:22] <monkeyjuice> Deet`:  live cd
[22:22] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  you gave up trying to load to your main hard drive?
[22:22] <Deet`> on a mac, no live CD
[22:22] <monkeyjuice> mac im not your man sorry
[22:22] <Santiclause> oh yeah I gave up on that
[22:23] <Santiclause> because I just didn't want to screw up my drive
[22:23] <monkeyjuice> hmmm your doing it the hard way Santiclause ;) but we can look
[22:23] <Deet`> the hardware isn't the issue, i just need command line commands to connect to my wifi
[22:23] <Santiclause> because it looks like there's some problem with GPT vs MBR
[22:23] <monkeyjuice> im thinking the usb is the problem
[22:23] <Deet`> the usb card is already recognized by lsusb
[22:23] <Santiclause> do you know the sequence of things that ubiquity does after "copying installation logs"?
[22:24] <monkeyjuice> no
[22:24] <Santiclause> because I could just kill ubiquity once it gets to that point, and do the rest manually
[22:24] <Santiclause> welp :|
[22:24] <Santiclause> I mean alternately I could try to get it on the hard drive, but I'm kind of scared
[22:24] <monkeyjuice> Santiclause:  you might want to ask ok #ubuntu they are more active
[22:24] <Santiclause> I ran testdisk on the gparted that I was running from the usb external, and this is hte log from that
[22:24] <Santiclause> http://pastebin.com/2QVsEXW7
[22:25] <Santiclause> and after doing the "analyze" bit, it looks like it found what the partitions are supposed to look like
[22:25] <monkeyjuice> looking
[22:25] <Santiclause> but I didn't know what to do at that point, so I just saved the logs and high-tailed it outta there
[22:25] <Deet`> i had a parition loss issue on an external recently as well. currently have a windoze program finding all my files
[22:28] <monkeyjuice> http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/23/install-ubuntu-11-04-on-external-hard-disk/ Santiclause found this might be some help in there
[22:31] <Santiclause> eh, that doesn't help - I already know how to install on to the external, it's just not working
[22:31] <Santiclause> :P
[22:31] <Santiclause> so maybe I should install on to my hard drive after all, it's just I don't know what to do with the testdisk results from my hard drive
[22:32] <monkeyjuice> ive have only installed on main hd , delete one partition
[22:32] <monkeyjuice> now i have no windows and only kubuntu
[22:32] <monkeyjuice> windows  i never use anymore
[22:33] <monkeyjuice> but thats me
[22:34] <monkeyjuice> wonders if my old laptop has windows on it ... ill look
[22:53] <Taggnostr> apparently the freezing was caused by the hd
[22:54] <monkeyjuice> Taggnostr: ?
[22:55] <Taggnostr> I was asking help here about some random freezes a few hours ago
[22:56] <monkeyjuice> hd failing?
[22:56] <Taggnostr> I did a memtest and it looked ok, checked the temperatures and they looked ok, checked the hdds with smartctl and it found several errors on the first hd and 1 error on the second one
[22:56] <Taggnostr> http://dpaste.com/798329/
[22:58] <monkeyjuice> they old drives?
[22:58] <monkeyjuice> hd are not to costly
[22:59] <Taggnostr> the plan now is: 1) backup everything that is not yet backupped; 2) copy everything on the 2nd hd; 3) possibly set up a raid1;
[22:59] <Taggnostr> monkeyjuice, yep
[22:59] <Taggnostr> I should probably just buy a new pc
[22:59] <Taggnostr> all my pcs are now 5-7 years old
[23:00] <monkeyjuice> tigerdirect.com ;)
[23:00] <Taggnostr> I would like to assemble one myself, but I don't have much time to spend figuring out everything I need and finding all the pieces online
[23:01] <monkeyjuice> www.tigerdirect.com had kits ;) lol
[23:01] <monkeyjuice> has kits ^
[23:01] <Taggnostr> do they even sell to europe?
[23:01] <monkeyjuice> no idea but you can look
[23:03] <Taggnostr> ok, thanks for the link