[00:17] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Noticed a little bug. in nautilus file manager, select a file and 'cut'   go to another location and select paste.. it works. but the paste menu item is actually 'greyed' out as if its not supposed to be selectable.
[00:18] <trism> dr_willis: bug 973491
[00:19] <dr_willis> Hmm.. seems almost like the 6th menu item on the context menu is always greyed out.  then theres some  other items i seem to be noticeing this with also
[00:19] <dr_willis> like 'rename ....'
[00:20] <dr_willis> theres some 'organize by name..' item that seems totally out of place also.. ;)    - sure to be fixed soon i imagine.
[00:21] <trism> dr_willis: supposed to be fixed in gtk but I don't think it is in quantal yet
[00:29] <dr_willis> file manager progress. :) 3 steps forward 2 back .... oh wait.. thats computer/gui/everything progress
[00:30] <dr_willis> Now to figure out why vlc cant seem to play these videos that mplayer can.
[00:39] <dr_willis> also noticed somthing odd with ntfs-3g, it can aparently make files with names on a NTFS partiion that have characters in the names that windows does NOT like. :) when dual booted to windows, the videos wouldent even play, or let me rename, or move them.
[00:40] <dr_willis> seemed there was a : in the names in some cases, other times in think there was a , (i should of jotted down the names)
[01:54] <DracoDanLRPC> is 3.5.0-11 the latest kernel?
[01:54] <trism> DracoDanLRPC: -13 is the latest, with -14 in proposed
[01:54] <DracoDanLRPC> ugh, so my fucking build still wont auto-update to the latest kernel
[01:55] <DracoDanLRPC> whats the command again to fix the weirdo grub for ubuntu?
[01:55] <IdleOne> Please mind the language
[01:55] <DracoDanLRPC> oh, I don't mind at all
[01:55] <IdleOne> well, I do. Please don't swear in any Ubuntu channels
[01:56] <DracoDanLRPC> well I swear....
[01:56] <DracoDanLRPC> :-)
[01:57] <DracoDanLRPC> that was supposed to come across as having a particular southern draw, not just stating that "I do indeed swear"
[01:58] <DracoDanLRPC> dang I've turned into a lightweight, one captain and coke and I'm working on my Linux box, cussin in IRC, and talking to myself, it's just like the good ol days!
[01:58]  * DracoDanLRPC points out that he said dang instead of damn
[02:01] <DracoDanLRPC> so.... I ran "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" and the result is kernel 3.5.0-11, could someone please help me?
[02:02] <Daekdroom> DracoDanLRPC, have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade instead?
[02:02] <DracoDanLRPC> nope!
[02:02]  * DracoDanLRPC wants yum
[02:02] <DracoDanLRPC> one sec, coming back up....
[02:03] <DracoDanLRPC> what's the logical difference?
[02:04] <DracoDanLRPC> also, thanks, that fixed it!
[02:04] <Daekdroom> dist-upgrade is able to remove/install new packages in order to solve dependency issues.
[02:04] <Daekdroom> A kernel upgrade is pulled in as a dependency change for a metapackage ('linux', I think, in this case)
[02:10] <DracoDanLRPC> strange approach...
[02:10] <DracoDanLRPC> thanks again
[02:10] <Daekdroom> Not really a strange approach. It allows users to keep multiple kernel versions installed (in case an update breaks something)
[02:11] <DracoDanLRPC> yum install kernel-<version>-*
[02:11] <DracoDanLRPC> problem? just choose the old kernel from grub
[02:11] <Daekdroom> But that's exactly how it works in Ubuntu.
[02:11] <DracoDanLRPC> no problem? just remove the old kernel
[02:12] <DracoDanLRPC> oh, the command is the only thing I'm complaining about, it doesn't clearly descibe what is being done IMO
[02:12] <DracoDanLRPC> or maybe I'm just too set in my ways, lol
[02:13] <Daekdroom> Also, update-manager offers to install the kernel update packages by default, so...
[02:13] <DracoDanLRPC> THAT is the command I was trying to remember earlier!
[02:14] <Daekdroom> It is available through the system menu at top right of your screen..
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> lol
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> top right?  that's all black
[02:14] <Daekdroom> or it used to be, idk
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> just like the bootom right...
[02:14] <Daekdroom> don't you see the "power cog" at top right?
[02:14] <DracoDanLRPC> or anywhere that there isn't text :-P
[02:15] <DracoDanLRPC> sorry, trying to be funny here, I don't use a GUI, it's a server
[02:15] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[02:15] <DracoDanLRPC> heh
[02:15] <Daekdroom> Well, update-manager is a GUI, so it's for no use in a server.
[02:15] <DracoDanLRPC> yeah
[02:16] <DracoDanLRPC> there was another CLI update utility though...
[02:17] <Daekdroom> aptitude?
[02:18] <DracoDanLRPC> not sure, apt-get works well enoguh knowing the dist-upgrade options.
[02:18] <DracoDanLRPC> moving on, do you or anyone else have any experience with targetcli?
[02:19] <DracoDanLRPC> I was hoping the updates would fix the issue I'm having, but it doesnt...
[02:23] <DracoDanLRPC> GOOGLE FOR THE SAVE!
[02:24] <DracoDanLRPC> the instructions for this stuff sucks... bad
[02:55] <em> good evening
[03:34] <md_5> Any ideas on window titles being too big? http://screencloud.net/v/7taz I reckon its fontconfig or something
[03:37] <trism> md_5: maybe configure the window title font in myunity/gnome-tweak-tool?
[03:37] <md_5> o.O myuntity crashes on start now
[03:37]  * md_5 installs gone tweak
[03:39] <md_5> trism according to this my window title font is cantarell bold or something
[03:40] <md_5> Changed it to Ubuntu 11pt and now it looks normal :D
[03:40] <md_5> thanks trijntje
[03:40] <md_5> *trism
[03:40] <Daekdroom> The default is Ubuntu Bold
[03:40] <md_5> Daekdroom 11pt?
[03:40] <Daekdroom> Yep
[03:41] <md_5> yeah that works too
[03:41] <md_5> How do dynamic workspaces work?
[03:42] <jbicha> md_5: dynamic workspaces is a GNOME Shell feature, it doesn't do anything in Unity
[03:42] <md_5> okey
[03:52] <wxl> hey anyone here having trouble with add-apt-repository??
[03:53] <md_5> wxl no
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> wxl, Have you tried another server by changing it in software sources?
[03:54] <wxl> md_5: yeah i got some weird erorr when trying to do it with ppa:lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily
[03:54] <wxl> something about a module missing
[03:54] <wxl> if your'e specifying a particular ppa, doesn't it specify the server, wilee-nilee ?
[03:54] <wilee-nilee> wxl, can you pasetbin the apt-get command and all the text?
[03:55] <wxl> i knew you were going to ask that  :)
[03:55] <wxl> one sec
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> wxl, Ah I see add repository, you are right but the paste bin should give us the info we need.
[03:58] <wxl> wilee-nilee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1192019/
[04:00] <wilee-nilee> wxl, looks correct what distro and release are you running?
[04:00] <wxl> that looks correct? O_O never did that before. lubuntu 12.10
[04:01] <wxl> like it doesn't try to add the gpg for example
[04:02] <wxl> if i knew how to register it, i'd just do it and add to sources.list manually
[04:02] <wxl> but sadly, there's a little magic to that script XD
[04:06] <wilee-nilee> wxl, you can put the ppa in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list   the save the key in home and add it in software sources. Not sure of that error though I could post my /usr/bin/add-apt-repository file for you to compare.
[04:07] <wilee-nilee> then*
[04:08] <wxl> wilee-nilee: there's no command line tool to register to the gpg key besides add-apt-repository, right? in any case, i'd love to see your version of the script
[04:10] <wilee-nilee> wxl, you just save the key in home or you can and add it to the list is software sources, I'm sure there is a command I forget where they are all stored, it is just a a ppa though
[04:10] <wilee-nilee> or=and
[04:11] <wxl> works for me, wilee-nilee. you got a pastebin for me? what version of python-software-properties do you have? that seems to be the package the script is in
[04:11] <wilee-nilee> wxl, since you are see an error related to this file it might help to compare, maybe. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1192027/
[04:11] <h00k> woah buddy. rsyslogd is going nuts.
[04:12] <wilee-nilee> wxl, mine is just a stock precise
[04:12] <h00k> gave me a nice 2.3gb file, chewing up my CPU :(
[04:12] <wxl> well that's no +1 XD
[04:13] <wilee-nilee> that is just my /usr/bin/add-apt-repository file
[05:23] <Adie_> :x
[05:24] <IdleOne> Adie_: from that screen shot you posted it looks like your graphics drivers are not installed
[05:24] <Adie_>  sure! It told me it was going to run in low display mode, or w/e
[05:24] <Adie_> though...
[05:25] <Adie_> in the middle of my update while I was still in 12.04, it broke like this
[05:25] <Adie_> and the restarted like this ^_^
[05:25] <Adie_> after the updates were complete
[05:25] <IdleOne> ok. can you try alt-F2 and type gksudo jockey-gtk
[05:26] <IdleOne> *in the little box IF it appears
[05:26] <Adie_> alt+f2 doesn't do anything, nor does ctrl+shift+f1
[05:26] <Adie_> perhaps because I can not leave focus from chrome?
[05:26] <IdleOne> ctrl-alt-f1
[05:26] <IdleOne> not shift
[05:26] <Adie_> that doens't do anything either
[05:27] <IdleOne> ok, reboot and at the login screen click on the gear icon and select Unity 2D
[05:27] <Adie_> okay, I will give that a try ^_^
[05:27] <IdleOne> that should give you a working desktop
[05:27] <Adie_> be back ^_^
[05:28] <IdleOne> then you can come back to this channel and maybe someone can help sort out the drivers issue
[05:31] <Adie> okay!
[05:32] <IdleOne> Got a working desktop now?
[05:32] <Adie> I didn't have an option for unity 2d, but I am in on gnome classic
[05:35] <Adie> ima try to install my drivers from AMD and see if that works =]
[11:03] <cebor> hi how can i upgrade to ubuntu 12.10 ? update-manager -d has no effect
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey All
[12:04] <penguin42> Hey BluesKaj
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi penguin42
[12:08]  * MCR1 is removing Kernel 3.6-RC4 again, because it still breaks SSL completely
[12:09] <MCR1> :-/
[12:09]  * MCR1 now suddenly remembers why he already removed 3.6-RC1 from Quantal
[12:13]  * MCR1 is back on 3.5 again and feeling better now
[12:13]  * bekks uses 3.6 rc4 :P
[12:15]  * MCR1 notes down: DO NOT USE KERNEL RELEASE CANDIDATES ANYMORE
[12:15] <MCR1> :P
[12:22]  * ikonia notes down please stop using /me commands
[12:22] <MCR1> hehe
[13:40]  * jokerdino pokes the room.
[13:40] <jokerdino> LO lost menu everywhere other than Unity.
[13:42] <penguin42> I can give that a go in a few minutes, just doing a few kernel bug reboots
[13:42] <jokerdino> good luck :)
[13:43] <penguin42> when you say 'everywhere other than Unity' you mean it works under Unity but not under other stuff ?
[13:43] <jokerdino> yes.. that
[13:43] <jokerdino> probably i phrased it wrong.
[13:43] <penguin42> what other stuff?
[13:43] <jokerdino> it doesn't work in xfce, lxdm and gnome-shell
[13:44] <jokerdino> haven't tested the rest of the zillion DE.
[13:44] <penguin42> ok, I run KDE so I'll give it a go in a reboot or two
[13:45] <jokerdino> cool thanks.
[13:49]  * penguin42 waits for the latest packages to download
[13:50]  * Daekdroom remembers he hasn't checked for updates yet today
[13:56] <jokerdino> bug #1044657
[14:30] <penguin42> jokerdino: Yeh get that
[14:31] <jokerdino> penguin42: you get the menu?
[14:31] <penguin42> jokerdino: No, I don't get the menu
[14:32] <jokerdino> good. the bug report above ^^
[14:44] <Bluefoxicy> heh can't log in from lightdm
[14:45] <Bluefoxicy> switched to gdm, which works.
[14:45] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: What do your lightdm logs say?
[14:45] <jokerdino> i switched to gdm too, but not for the same reason
[14:46] <Bluefoxicy> penguin42:  nothing interesting
[14:46] <Bluefoxicy> it hangs is all
[14:49] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: It might be time to admit lightdm just doesn't like you
[14:50] <Bluefoxicy> heh
[14:51] <Bluefoxicy> GDM is cool, the current lightdm theme is cleaner looking though (you could do the same in gdm...) and it looks like it has more features (at least, it looks like I can use network manager from inside it, didn't spot that in gdm)
[14:54] <jokerdino> Bluefoxicy: you can connect to networks from unity-greeter
[14:55] <jokerdino> and yeah, i seem to not dislike gdm for some reason
[16:41] <Bluefoxicy> jesus
[16:41] <Bluefoxicy> whatever's going on in gnome shell needs to stop
[16:41] <Bluefoxicy> when the screen locks it shows the time, and you have to click and drag it up to get to the log-in screen
[16:47] <penguin42> sounds like a tablet/phone style unlock
[16:47] <penguin42> because that is of course the only type of computers anyone uses any more
[17:23] <MonkeyDust> working with chroot for the first time - want to try and install quantal in it - where and how do i find a mirror?
[17:23] <penguin42> MonkeyDust: http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/GB.txt for example
[17:26] <jbicha> Bluefoxicy: you can also just press Esc to unlock
[17:36] <jtaylor> MonkeyDust: just do pbuilder-dist quantal amd64 create
[17:38] <Bluefoxicy> jbicha:  is this also how unity works?
[17:39] <Bluefoxicy> I can't tell what part's from the display manager, the screen saver, and the windowing system
[17:40] <jbicha> Bluefoxicy: no
[17:40] <jbicha> just moving the mouse is enough to quit the "screensaver" thing on Unity
[17:42] <jbicha> things are a bit tangled in GNOME Shell; Shell actually provides the login & lock screen (unless you run GDM in Fallback mode which looks like GDM 3.0)
[17:43] <jbicha> in Unity things are a little more separated, unity-greeter is the frontend for lightdm which handles login, gnome-screensaver does the locking although unity-greeter may handle that in the future too
[17:43] <Bluefoxicy> ok, why do I have gdm?
[17:43] <Bluefoxicy> it looks like it got installed when I upgraded to 12.10
[17:43] <Daekdroom> gdm is now a dependency for gnome shell
[17:44] <Bluefoxicy> ah
[17:44] <Bluefoxicy> Lightdm seems to just hang when I log into gnome-shell
[17:44] <Bluefoxicy> I assume this is related?
[17:44] <jbicha> could you pastebin your .xsession-errors ?
[17:45] <jbicha> lightdm should be able to log in to gnome-shell but maybe we're missing a dependency or something
[17:47] <Bluefoxicy> .xsession-errors goes back to last night apparently and this stuff happened this morning.
[17:48] <Bluefoxicy> anyway going to get a roof inspected
[19:01] <dmatt> I updated to beta 1 with fglrx on, now X does not work, how do I get back to open driver from CLI?
[19:03] <penguin42> dmatt: You should be able to with jockey-text
[19:03] <penguin42> dmatt: Something like jockey-text -l to see what you have and maybe jockey-text -d name  to disable it ?
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> Twitter is gone from "Settings" > "Online Accounts" =( What gives?
[19:05] <dmatt> penguin42: thanks, I'm just testing it in 12.04 and it says ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for AppIndicator3
[19:05] <penguin42> dmatt: Hmm don't know what that is
[19:06] <dmatt> I'm on Kubuntu, maybe something is missing?
[19:07] <alex_mayorga> Never mind, I went back to "All Settings" then back into "Online Accounts" and is there, strange
[19:08] <penguin42> dmatt: Hmm, I get that on kde as well - that needs reporting, however it still lists that kmod:fglrx is available
[19:09] <dmatt> penguin42: I was googling it too and it doesn't seem to be fatal error
[19:10] <dmatt> however, no man pages so what should be the command exactlt? jockey-text -d fglrx
[19:10] <dmatt> exactly
[19:11] <penguin42> dmatt: I'd expect jockey-text -l to list the installed drivers, e.g. kmod:fglrx and then jockey-text -d kmod:fglrx
[19:11] <dmatt> mine says xorg:fglrx
[19:12] <penguin42> dmatt: Mine isn't installed and this is on quantal
[19:13] <dmatt> anyway, I'm going to test it right now (reboot, as it is testing partition on the notebook I write from)
[19:13] <dmatt> thank you very much for help penguin42
[19:13] <penguin42> np
[19:44] <dmatt> penguin42: it worked
[19:45] <dmatt> but I could not reenable fglrx, even when i purged it
[19:45] <penguin42> dmatt: I don't run fglrx so I'm not sure of it's current state
[19:45] <penguin42> dmatt:
[19:46] <dmatt> says something is held and the version provided is similar to 10.04 - maybe there is no new version available at the moment
[19:46] <penguin42> is there an fglrx-update version listed as well?
[19:46] <dmatt> yes, thats what confuses me
[19:47] <penguin42> what happens if you try and install that?
[19:47] <dmatt> actually, fact that any fglrx is in jockey confuses me, if there is no version bump
[19:48] <penguin42> dmatt: I suspect it'll land soon; the closed graphics drivers normally land fairly late in the cycle
[19:48] <dmatt> I did not try that, but I would expect same error, it says something was held from previous version
[19:49] <dmatt> i'm gonna google it bit and maybe file some bugs, thanks
[20:11] <LLStarks> can i get some more confirmation for bug 1041756
[20:12] <LLStarks> it also crashes gnome-shell and unity
[20:18] <trism> didn't crash when run in gdb but pretty funny to watch
[20:22] <trism> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=41a79d6a35d18e9293fb6326cfac803d92b61f81 looks like it might be promising
[20:24] <potofcoffee> Hi. I upgraded my precise-amd64 install to quantal beta today. Everything went fine as far as the upgrade is concerned, but now I'm unable to log into unity because compiz segfaults. I first suspected my ati (fglrx) drivers, but I disabled them via jockey-text and still get a segfault. Any ideas?
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Here's what I get in syslog:
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Sep  8 14:56:29 patmos gnome-session[2969]: WARNING: Application 'compiz.desktop' killed by signal 11
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Sep  8 14:56:29 patmos gnome-session[2969]: WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
[20:25] <potofcoffee> Sep  8 14:56:29 patmos kernel: [  467.192116] compiz[4302]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fadd09b49c4 sp 00007fff2990b790 error 4 in libc-2.15.so[7fadd0915000+1b2000]
[21:05] <txwikinger> Is do-release-upgrade -d not working?
[21:07] <trism> LLStarks: yep, ^ patch fixes the bug
[21:47] <jbicha> txwikinger: have you followed the instruction in the 2nd paragraph of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[21:52] <maca> Hello, I'm in Ubuntu 12.10, using XFCE as desktop. My problem is the firewall configuration. I typed to INPUT chain to accept that protocols: lo, state established related, ssh, domain, http, https, and the rest for DROP action. I read the HowTo Configure Iptables from the documentation. When I tried to connect internet, don't connect, why? In the 12.10, have any change related to Iptables?
[21:58] <maca> It seems that nobody know about Iptables...
[22:02] <maca> In ubuntu 12.10, Are there any changes related Iptables???
[22:19] <penguin42> I'd not seen anything specific mentioned - what are you seeing?
[22:19] <NEone> hi
[22:19] <penguin42> maca: It might be worth changing iptables to log dropped packets and see what's happening
[22:19] <penguin42> NEone: Hi
[22:19] <NEone> Now if I install 12.10 Beta 1 on one physical harddisk (it's empty now) with the new full disk encryption option... Will it leave the second physical harddisk (it's NTFS and contains data for my Windows system) untouched? Or will that one be encrypted too?
[22:20] <penguin42> should be left
[22:21] <penguin42> NEone: the full disk encryption just changes the way the Linux stuff is installed (it builds a LUKS encrypted partitoion with LVM on top)
[22:23] <NEone> ok, will try that, then. And I plan to make 3 partitions: "/", "/home", "swap". There are options of making them primary partitions or creating just one extended partition and build the other partitions within that one as logical volumes. Which way of those is the best?
[22:30] <NEone> If I make a persistent install of 12.10 Beta 1 on my harddisk... Will I have to re-install next month? Or will I be able to upgrade to the final 12.10 release just with the apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade commands?
[22:32] <penguin42> upgrade should just work
[22:33] <penguin42> should just see updates coming in just like you do after an install
[22:33] <NEone> Great! Then it's worth to give the installation a try. Thanks a lot.
[22:33] <penguin42> NEone: As for partition options; you can use it use the default or you can do manual and specify it pretty much anyway you like; you might want to try the lvm setup - in that you only use one partition and linux splits it up
[22:35] <NEone> Great. Okay, I think my installation plan is ready now. ...This will probably gonna be a long night, LOL. See you. And thanks again for your help.
[22:37] <penguin42> hehe, good luck
[22:46]  * penguin42 wonders why the Kubuntu webcam app is called Kamoso when it could have been kheese
[22:48] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: LOLOLOLOL
[23:07] <penguin42> owncloud looks pretty neat
[23:16] <Debolaz> owncloud is pretty neat.
[23:16] <Debolaz> Though the sync client has a very nasty bug on Ubuntu.
[23:17] <Debolaz> http://bugs.owncloud.org/thebuggenie/owncloud/issues/oc-1601
[23:20] <penguin42> is there a matching ubuntu bug for that as well?
[23:24] <penguin42> hehe one of my bugs is on on the known issues
[23:24] <Debolaz> penguin42: Not that I'm aware of.
[23:25] <penguin42> probably would be a good idea if there was
[23:28] <Debolaz> I'm also not aware of any plans to integrate it with the ubuntu sync indicator planned for 12.10
[23:29] <penguin42> I wonder how it compares to something like the free versions of zimbra
[23:30] <Debolaz> Given that most of the hard work is done by the csync library, I was actually pondering implementing my own client for it for Ubuntu.
[23:30] <Debolaz> I've had this idea of separating the sync client from the indicator, which in the current client is the same process.
[23:32] <penguin42> you'd think you'd be able to do a sync without the desktop say?
[23:33] <Debolaz> Yes, the sync client would work equally well on a server as on a desktop. You'd just install the extra indicator on the desktop.
[23:33] <Debolaz> Its just a matter of finding time for it I guess. :)
[23:33] <penguin42> well not just servers - things like syncing back to your desktop while you add things while you're out
[23:34] <Debolaz> Could you give an example?
[23:35] <penguin42> you leave your desktop switched on (or use wake-on-lan to wake it up?) and you add things to your cloud from your phone or a web browser and it all gets sync'd back to your desktop
[23:35] <Debolaz> Then current sync client would do that now wouldn't it?
[23:36]  * penguin42 isn't sure - but if it's on the indicator, wouldn't that only happen if you had the desktop on/logged in?
[23:37] <Debolaz> Yes; Though since it's a non-system process, the same would be the case with my idea too.
[23:37] <penguin42> well you could still ssh in to do that or you could cron it
[23:37] <Debolaz> True.
[23:39] <Debolaz> Its a good point I guess.