[00:58] <phillw> balloons: can you access https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit ? I still cannot.
[01:08] <balloons> phillw, I can
[01:08] <balloons> I'm off to bed
[01:08] <balloons> before you! haha
[01:09] <phillw> balloons: can you copy it over to paste.ubuntu.com for me - I'll have a look at it tomorrow
[01:09] <balloons> phillw,
[01:09] <balloons> lol
[01:09] <balloons> !
[01:09] <balloons> yes of course
[01:09] <balloons> phillw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1191868/
[01:10] <phillw> I' also heading for bed (just past 2am here)
[01:10] <balloons> good night phillw
[01:11] <phillw> tc, I'll just have a quick read whilst i'm watching a programme on the telly :)
[01:11] <phillw> ahh, it needs formatting... a job for tomorrow!
[01:23] <smartboyhw> phillw: PING
[01:24] <phillw> smartboyhw: hiyas, I'm shortly off to bed :)
[01:24] <smartboyhw> phillw: Have you done Jackson's new testcase for Xubuntu>
[01:25] <phillw> smartboyhw: Nicholas has just copied it over to pastebin for me, i will format it up tomorrow (It's currently done to the old old style).
[01:25] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[01:25] <smartboyhw> Why can't you edit the file?
[01:26] <smartboyhw> There's a new version https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit
[01:26] <phillw> probably my cache still queueing up. As long as I have it I can format it up.
[01:27] <smartboyhw> :)
[01:31] <phillw> did you ever convert your test case to the new format.
[01:31] <phillw> ?
[01:32] <smartboyhw> No, don't have time...
[01:32] <phillw> as you will see from the L-wiki-doc email thread, Our boss wants them to edit up the test cases and add 3 new ones.
[01:32] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio documentations killed me:)
[01:32] <phillw> smartboyhw: then make the time.
[01:33] <smartboyhw> ;)
[01:33] <smartboyhw> Which 3? I can't find
[01:34] <phillw> the key word was 'add' :)
[01:34] <smartboyhw> Er...No!
[01:35] <smartboyhw> I searched Gmail already
[01:35] <smartboyhw> Can't find
[01:37] <smartboyhw> phillw: Come on:)\
[01:38] <phillw> smartboyhw: http://pastebin.com/h8RtqTXk
[01:38] <smartboyhw> Ah these
[01:38] <smartboyhw> Oh alright
[01:39] <smartboyhw> phillw: I don't understand however: What do you mean by the "old old" format???
[01:39] <phillw> too many old's :)
[01:39] <smartboyhw> Then what is the new one? LOL phillw
[01:40] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/ManagementOverview
[01:40] <smartboyhw> Yes that is the one I'm trying to format:)
[01:40] <phillw> Test case has additional formating and is now "Do 'X'", Expect 'Y'Y"
[01:41] <smartboyhw> Tell me if http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1300/edit is correct
[01:41] <smartboyhw> Testcase ID 1300
[01:41] <smartboyhw> If yes I will follow it:)
[01:45] <phillw> smartboyhw: looks okay. don't forget to add the bit at the bottom :)
[01:45] <smartboyhw> ;)
[01:45] <phillw> I'm off to bed, catch everyone later today!
[01:46] <smartboyhw> Bye phillw
[02:09] <smartboyhw> phillw: Have you gone to bed?
[02:09] <smartboyhw> I mean now
[02:09] <smartboyhw> I have formatted the testcase already
[02:09] <phillw> no, I'm just chilling
[02:09] <smartboyhw> Look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases/1431/results
[02:09] <smartboyhw> and see if I did anything wrong:)
[02:11] <phillw> looks good, but the original author missed a step between 27 & 28
[02:11] <smartboyhw> phillw: Which step?
[02:12] <phillw> hi sagaci, smartboyhw has formatted up the test case http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases/1431/results
[02:12] <phillw> How to launch the terminal :)
[02:12] <smartboyhw> OH damn it:)
[02:12] <sagaci> ah right
[02:13] <phillw> This is the pain of test cases.... every click must be documented so a person who has never used the system before can follow it.
[02:13] <phillw> I think of what I assume to be 5 steps, and then explain to my Mum... There ends up being 20 steps!
[02:14] <smartboyhw> OK edited
[02:15] <smartboyhw> phillw: Check if it is correct, since I'm using Ubuntu Studio I think it is
[02:16] <phillw> smartboyhw: what do click on to close it down?
[02:16] <phillw> step 40
[02:17] <smartboyhw> Well it is the authors fault, but I will edit it:(
[02:17] <phillw> smartboyhw: he is a new author, it takes time to get up to speed.
[02:17] <smartboyhw> OH yeah
[02:18] <phillw> I could say... well, you should have spotted the ommissions :P
[02:20] <phillw> smartboyhw: for your next task, go convert your wiki page for that test you wrote into a fully compliant test case :D
[02:20] <smartboyhw> LOL
[02:20] <smartboyhw> OK edited the testcase
[02:20] <phillw> you will quickly realise it is a tough job to write a test case. (I'm dreading doing the file manager one for pcmanfm)
[02:21] <smartboyhw> :)
[02:21] <phillw> sagaci: can you see the edits that have been made?
[02:23] <phillw> it was a couple of extra steps that need putting in and that we are guilty of forgetting.
[02:23] <phillw> *we are all*
[02:23] <smartboyhw> ;)
[02:24] <phillw> smartboyhw: please post up your wiki based test case that needs converting so that sagaci can see the work that must be done on some test cases.
[02:24] <smartboyhw> phillw: What do you mean?
[02:25] <phillw> the one I was going to run through with you a few weeks back.
[02:26] <phillw> that transition is going to be a really good example for new comers who are used to wiki writing getting used to test case writing.
[02:28] <phillw> I'm also more familiar with wiki writing, so I'm still learning :)
[02:31] <phillw> hmm, I've had a spammer on my forum area >:o
[02:31] <phillw> bbs
[02:36] <phillw> hmm, long time since my archive area was attacked.... :/ http://forum.phillw.net/index.php
[02:41] <phillw> back, user banned and posts removed.
[02:45] <sagaci> phillw: the gnome-buntu remix won't be added to the tracker until it become a recognised flavour, right?
[02:47] <phillw> sagaci: that's not a call I can make. But from my time with lubuntu before it got accepted I'd say not. There are many community respins and it would be simply too great a workload on  those who look after the tracker.
[02:49] <sagaci> not that it matters to me that much anyhow, I only test vanilla ubuntu
[02:50] <phillw> If that team need an iso hosting area, then SII are committed to supporting other teams http://thesii.org/iso/
[02:51] <phillw> it is a decent beast and has good speed and plenty of bandwidth allowance (10 Tb/month)
[03:01] <noskcaj> phillw: is the testcase ready for publishing?
[03:02] <phillw> noskcaj: I'll check with Nicholas later, as far as I'm concerned it is good to go :)
[03:12] <noskcaj> cool
[03:18] <phillw> smartboyhw: did the formatting and then the edits needed for the couple of missing steps :)
[03:18] <phillw> And, I'm deffo off to bed! I'll leave you all with a giggle... http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/15927/10-more-awkward-autocorrects-with-parents/
[03:18] <phillw> wonderful :D
[03:26] <noskcaj> lol
[06:07] <noskcaj> i've emailed everyone on the mailing list a draft for the xubuntu manual partitioning testcase, can someone plz upload it to the site
[06:12] <smartboyhw> Oh OK wait, I did the whole disk one already
[06:13] <noskcaj> ?
[06:14] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: I already uploaded the whole disk draft that you written
[06:14] <noskcaj> thanks
[06:14] <smartboyhw> But gimme some time to do the manual one:)
[06:15] <noskcaj> ok, it has some layout problems because libre office messed something up
[06:16] <smartboyhw> ha
[06:18] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Where IS the draft?
[06:18] <smartboyhw> There is no link in there
[06:19] <noskcaj> its an attachment
[06:19] <noskcaj> this time
[06:19] <smartboyhw> No attachment
[06:19] <smartboyhw> At all
[06:19] <noskcaj> one sec
[06:19] <noskcaj> something wierd happened
[06:20] <noskcaj> i'll try and get it to you
[06:21] <smartboyhw> HA
[06:21] <smartboyhw> OK:)
[06:22] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: its up now as an attachment
[06:22] <smartboyhw> Alright
[06:22] <smartboyhw> Sent it to me:_)
[06:24] <noskcaj> its to the ubuntu mailing list in an email with no subject
[06:24] <smartboyhw> OK. The QA one?
[06:28] <noskcaj> yes
[06:43] <smartboyhw> I can't receive it
[06:45] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Please resend:)
[06:50] <noskcaj> ok
[06:50] <smartboyhw> :)
[06:51] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B57km_mHQf74WV8wVS0tOVEwVmc
[06:52] <noskcaj> its above 4kb so was blocked
[06:52] <smartboyhw> Oh alright:)(
[06:52] <smartboyhw> Downloaded
[06:55] <smartboyhw> Changing now, wait a moment noskcaj, I think will be finished 1 hour later
[06:56] <noskcaj> thanks
[06:57] <Guest70424> my harddrive is fried but i was able to bring up ubuntu by putting it on an external hard drive... now i would like to put everything on that external onto a 16 gb thumb drive... any suggestions? is this possible?
[07:02] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: I added it already
[07:02] <smartboyhw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases/1432/results
[07:03] <Guest70424> my harddrive is fried but i was able to bring up ubuntu by putting it on an external hard drive... now i would like to put everything on that external onto a 16 gb thumb drive... any suggestions? is this possible?
[07:04] <smartboyhw> Guest70424,
[07:04] <smartboyhw> please be patient
[07:04] <smartboyhw> !support | Guest70424
[07:04] <smartboyhw> Though it IS possible
[07:05] <Guest70424> i didny know that someone saw my post... my bad
[07:05] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[07:05] <Guest70424> thx
[07:05] <smartboyhw> noskcaj, please check the link I've given you:)
[07:07] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Now let us see will balloons let you in the Ubuntu Testcase Admins Team:)
[07:07] <Guest70424> !support
[07:07] <smartboyhw> Type /join #ubuntu
[07:08] <Guest70424> okay appreciate it
[07:18] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: thanks, should i do one for the auto-resize?
[07:18] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Well if best yes but I do wonder: Have you talked to the guys in #xubuntu-devel ?
[07:18] <noskcaj> not really, why?
[07:19] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: I think you would want to have a talk with them, if not they will kill both you and me
[07:19] <smartboyhw> For editing the testcases
[07:19] <smartboyhw> Also tell them you have written it
[07:19] <noskcaj> ok
[07:20] <smartboyhw> So they can know:)
[07:20] <noskcaj> i will
[20:28] <pleia2> at our QA jam in San Francisco now :)
[20:28] <pleia2> some people are finding typos in some test cases, where to report? (I just told them to join here and mention it)
[20:32] <paulproteus> Hi pleia2!
[20:33] <paulproteus> nskaggs's http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1418/info script has a typo in it, and I wasn't sure where to report it.
[20:34] <pleia2> balloons ^^
[20:34] <paulproteus> Oh, that's why the video said, "Hi, I'm balloons"
[20:34] <paulproteus> !
[20:34] <pleia2> yep :)
[20:49] <paulproteus> The page says: "Click 'New' button form toolbar". It should say: "Click 'New' button from the toolbar". Sed script that would fix that: s/form toolbar/from the toolbar/
[20:51] <noskcaj> in todays daily build ubuntu amd64 the slideshow dosn't auto-scroll after you manually move the slides, is this a bug
[20:55] <paulproteus> noskcaj: That is almost definitely a bug.
[20:55] <noskcaj> then i shall get reporting
[21:00] <pleia2> knome: see paulproteus' comment
[21:00] <pleia2> (knome has fixing superpowers :))
[21:00] <knome> let me boot my desktop machine and i'll fix it
[21:02] <paulproteus> Ooh, lovely
[21:07] <knome> paulproteus, pleia2: updated
[21:07] <pleia2> thanks :)
[21:07] <knome> if you have other similar issues, just ping me
[21:08] <paulproteus> Sounds great, thanks!
[21:08] <knome> np
[21:15] <scientes>  Type in “The quick brown foxes jump over the lazy dog”
[21:15] <scientes> in gedit
[21:15] <scientes> it should be "fox"
[21:16] <pleia2> scientes: which page?
[21:16] <scientes> and "jumps"
[21:16] <scientes> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/235/builds/22730/testcases/1420/results
[21:16] <pleia2> ^^ knome
[21:16] <knome> unless there are several foxes that jump? :)
[21:16] <pleia2> hehe
[21:17] <geofft_> is there a fix for the Ubiquity installer crash?
[21:17] <geofft_> or an LP bug or something?
[21:27] <paulproteus> pleia2: Am curious what the bug number for the black-on-black text issue is; when you find it, let me know!
[21:28] <pleia2> 744283
[21:28] <paulproteus> Thumbs up
[21:38] <paulproteus> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22864/testcases/1431/results/ # Report filed
[21:38] <paulproteus> We'll see if it's fixed tomorrow!
[21:48] <knome> noskcaj, you around?
[21:49]  * geofft_ waves to price-livecd
[21:49] <pleia2> :)
[21:50] <price-livecd> Hi all
[21:50] <price-livecd> I have a bug in a test script on packages.qa -- are there people here who can address that?
[21:51] <price-livecd> specifically, evince/evn-005 at http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/235/builds/22727/testcases/1417/results
[21:51] <price-livecd> calls for Evince to display "a sidebar with page thumbnails"
[21:51] <pleia2> knome: ^^
[21:51] <price-livecd> in fact, in my testing it showed a sidebar with an index of sections and subsections
[21:51] <knome> price-livecd, what should it say?
[21:51] <price-livecd> perhaps "with either page thumbnails or an index"
[21:53] <knome> price-livecd, reload, should be fixed
[21:53] <price-livecd> great -- actually I would leave out the mention of sections and subsections
[21:54] <price-livecd> that's what it was in this document
[21:54] <price-livecd> which was a LaTeX article
[21:54] <knome> ah, right
[21:54] <price-livecd> it might be different in a document which came from some other source
[21:54] <knome> refresh
[21:54] <price-livecd> excellent
[21:56] <price-livecd> also in the empathy test script at http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/235/builds/22726/testcases/1415/results
[21:56] <price-livecd> it says "Select 'Edit - Accounts' from menu"
[21:57] <price-livecd> there is no Edit -> Accounts
[21:57] <price-livecd> it's Empathy -> Accounts
[21:57] <knome> refresh
[21:57] <price-livecd> great
[21:57] <price-livecd> and the wizard that results has a different name
[21:57] <price-livecd> actually
[21:57] <price-livecd> the whole description of the wizard isn't what I see
[21:57] <knome> hmm?
[21:58] <price-livecd> instead of "'Messaging and VOIP Accounts Assistant' wizard appears, 'Welcome to Empathy' step is displayed"
[21:58] <price-livecd> I get an 'Online Accounts' window, and there is no mention of Empathy in it
[21:58] <price-livecd> and the next step doesn't match either
[21:58] <knome> hmm
[21:59] <price-livecd> I could report this, but I suspect the developers/maintainers don't see it as a bug -- just a change from the last release (or whenever the test script was written)
[22:00] <knome> refresh - does it match now?
[22:00] <price-livecd> no, there's no "Yes, I'll enter my account details now"
[22:01] <price-livecd> or "What kind of chat account do you have?" combobox
[22:01] <knome> ok, in that case
[22:01] <knome> can you write how it should appear, and add it to paste.ubuntu.com or so
[22:01] <knome> and i'll update it with correct information
[22:01] <price-livecd> ok
[22:01] <knome> thanks
[22:06] <price-livecd> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1193540/
[22:06] <knome> price-livecd, thanks, i'll update in a min
[22:08] <noskcaj> knome: yeah
[22:08] <knome> price-livecd, so are the steps from "check contact list" ok?
[22:09] <price-livecd> oh, I missed those -- looking
[22:09] <price-livecd> well
[22:09] <price-livecd> the instructions said to cancel at the end, so I did
[22:10] <price-livecd> I'll change that
[22:11] <knome> hey noskcaj
[22:11] <noskcaj> hey knome
[22:11] <knome> can you check the backlog in #xubuntu?
[22:11] <knome> from 21:40UTC
[22:11] <noskcaj> i havent joined #xubuntu only #xubuntu-devel
[22:11] <knome> sorry
[22:12] <knome> of course devel, and 22:40 UTC too
[22:12] <knome> so ~30mins ago
[22:12] <noskcaj> what am i looking for?
[22:12] <knome> well, i can repaste too
[22:13] <knome> it's a few lines
[22:13] <knome> a se
[22:13] <knome> *sec
[22:13] <knome> 00:41  knome: was somebody working on the testcases?
[22:13] <knome> 00:42  knome: i see that we now have specific "entire disk" testcases for xubuntu
[22:13] <knome> 00:42  knome: i thought the idea was to keep the maintaining effort as small as possible, and this looks like we're just making it bigger
[22:13] <knome> 00:42  knome: is there really so big differences? i thought it was just the distro name and that
[22:14] <price-livecd> knome: they're good -- 'No thanks' should be changed to 'Allow access'
[22:14] <noskcaj> i would like to spend most of my time maintaining the testcases so i dont mind the amount of work
[22:15] <silverarrow> i like to spend more time on my bicycle
[22:16] <noskcaj> silverarrow: piont being
[22:16] <noskcaj> *point
[22:16] <silverarrow> not so much point really
[22:17] <silverarrow> i am trouble shooting for gnome mplayer and gecko
[22:17] <silverarrow> hoping I might provide some info to the key guys building the packages
[22:17] <silverarrow> or something like that
[22:17] <silverarrow> it is sooo close to working
[22:18] <knome> noskcaj, well, still, if it's just the Ubuntu/Xubuntu difference, i believe it's unnecessary work
[22:18] <knome> noskcaj, we'll also lose the benefit of always being "up-to-date" with the ubuntu tests
[22:19] <knome> noskcaj, or, at least we will lag behind until somebody happens to be around and updates that
[22:19] <noskcaj> their are extra things like integrating bits of the xubuntu short testcase that most xubuntu tester use
[22:20] <noskcaj> and how will we lose the up-to-date thing
[22:20] <knome> noskcaj, i just created the short testcase as it's own testcase, so no need to integrate that to the installation tests
[22:20] <noskcaj> ok
[22:21] <knome> when somebody updates the ubuntu testcase, we will need to update the xubuntu testcase too. if you aren't around exactly at the moment the update happens, there will be lag
[22:21] <noskcaj> ok
[22:21] <knome> and since those updates aren't announced anywhere, that'd mean you would need to monitor the testcases every day at all times
[22:21] <knome> and i just think that's a waste of everybody's time, including yours :)
[22:21] <noskcaj> so....
[22:21] <noskcaj> yeah
[22:21] <knome> so if the differences are just ubuntu/xubuntu wording, i'd rather use the "ubuntu" testcases
[22:22] <noskcaj> i shall give up, just keep the short testcase in
[22:22] <knome> if there are bigger differences that can be justified/rationalized, then it's ok to create xubuntu-specific stuff
[22:22] <knome> ok, will you revert to the ubuntu testcases or shall i?
[22:22] <knome> the short testcase is called "post-installation tests (xubuntu)"
[22:23] <knome> if you are wondering where it is :)
[22:23] <noskcaj> only one or two things that arn't just rewords and can you fix it as i'm not an admin
[22:23] <noskcaj> i know
[22:23] <knome> what are those things?
[22:23] <noskcaj> ???
[22:23] <knome> 01:23  noskcaj: only one or two things that arn't just rewords and can you fix it as i'm not an admin
[22:23] <knome> what are you referring to with those few things?
[22:24] <noskcaj> the launcher at the bottom, the app search and the abiword thing
[22:24] <noskcaj> plus changeing ubuntu.com to xubuntu.org
[22:24] <knome> right, but those are in the post-installation tests, right?
[22:24] <noskcaj> yes
[22:24] <knome> yeah
[22:25] <noskcaj> so take them down please and are there any testcases that need updating
[22:25] <knome> hmm, not really
[22:25] <knome> i need to add the old "long" test
[22:25] <noskcaj> ok
[22:26] <knome> if you want to help with that, it's welcome
[22:26] <noskcaj> i cant because i'm not an admin
[22:26] <knome> right
[22:26] <knome> i meant with creating the markup
[22:26] <knome> we currently have the wikimarkup, and that should be converted to html for the testcase
[22:27] <noskcaj> the live testcase still specifies ext3 instead of ext4 is there a reaser for that?
[22:27] <noskcaj> i could try
[22:27] <knome> i don't know about that
[22:27] <knome> ok, i'll set up a pad, just a sec
[22:28] <knome> noskcaj, http://typewith.me/p/x-qa-desktoptest
[22:28] <knome> noskcaj, i'm using an alternative markup method, which is much easier
[22:29] <knome> noskcaj, inside <dl>, <dt> describes what you should do and <dd> what should happen
[22:29] <noskcaj> ok
[22:29] <knome> noskcaj, the long test is decribed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Long
[22:29] <noskcaj> i shall start working on that then
[22:29] <knome> noskcaj, we probably will need to change some of the wording (shorter is better, as long as it is understandable)
[22:39] <knome> noskcaj, thanks for the help :)
[22:39] <noskcaj> ok
[23:10] <knome> noskcaj, thanks again :)
[23:10] <knome> now i need to go to bed
[23:10] <knome> see you!
[23:10] <noskcaj> bye