[07:24] hello === punked- is now known as pinky- [08:19] hi [08:22] morning SpaceTravel_ [08:22] good morning Alan [08:22] thanks for answering [08:23] you have a few minutes to help me in a ubuntu 12.04 problem/ [08:23] possibly, depends what the problem is [08:23] and whether I decide to go have some breakfast [08:24] i just tried to install Ubuntu 12.04 on a laptop and after it installed it worked extremly slow [08:24] ok, go have breakfast and leave an answer when you can [08:24] thx [08:24] eat well ! [08:24] how slow? [08:24] and what are you comparing it to? [08:27] what specifically is very slow? [08:29] after a fresh install this happends [08:29] for the first minute after it starts up , works ok [08:29] then runs progressively slow ! [08:31] in terms of screen redraws, disk access, computation of things? [08:31] yes ! [08:31] if i want to open firefox for example. takes a whole minute [08:31] and laptop is a HP HDX 18 [08:32] can you fire up a terminal? [08:32] then run "top" [08:32] yes i could, but that would also open very late [08:32] it'll list running apps, in cpu-usage order [08:33] thing is i now have a win version on it .....since 12.04 was not usable [08:34] so you can't be helped [08:34] * AlanBell goes for breakfast o/ [08:35] but any ideas what might cause this lag ? [08:35] some ideas, sure [08:35] e.g. runaway tracker process [08:38] yhanks [08:39] * popey has breakfast \o/ [08:50] \o/ [09:05] so, how many people @ Jam in London? [09:11] 2 so far! [09:11] who's that then ? [09:12] Laney: join #ubuntu-jam then [09:12] why? [09:14] Laney: because we are Jammin', Jammin', Jammin', Jammin with Ubuntu today..... [09:15] * czajkowski waves from UGJ London [09:15] And tonight: Dinosaurs on a spaceship! [09:16] \o czajkowski [09:18] czajkowski: prod, infact Laney prod czajkowski please :) [09:18] >:( [09:19] will there be G+ hangout from jam central? [09:19] hmm [09:20] AlanBell: aren't you coming? [09:20] * Laney had a go on a boris bike [09:20] davmor2: she went down to collect people [09:21] Laney: they're quite useful :) [09:21] I've used one too last time I was there [09:24] Laney: no, domestic stuff means I can't get away [09:26] good morning eveyrone. [09:37] and we have more arriving [09:39] * davmor2 waves at christel, czajkowski and Laney and london [09:39] http://apt-cache.lan:3142 [09:40] ignore above - me being an idiot [09:40] thanks mez :) [09:40] no christel [09:42] no christel and no AlanBell [09:44] SLACKERS [09:47] Laney: so who is there now [09:47] just Laney [09:47] AlanBell: you in London yet? [09:47] and his imagination [09:49] czajkowski: If christel shows up give her a hug for the postcard from me please :) [09:49] wilko [09:54] czajkowski, you upgrading to 12.10? [09:56] yarp [09:58] if you fancy testing something bleeding edge, try adding the unity-team staging ppa and upgrade :) [09:58] and we have some tests you can run [09:58] if you apt-get source unity [09:58] then look in the unity folder for "manual tests" there's a bunch of text files describing some tests which should work [10:01] REBOOT [10:01] popey: got details so we can do that [10:13] popey: got the links to the ppa [10:15] czajkowski, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:unity-team/staging [10:15] czajkowski, sudo apt-get update [10:15] czajkowski, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [10:15] in the event it breaks:- [10:15] sudo apt-get install ppa-purge [10:16] heh [10:16] sudo ppa-purge ppa:unity-team/staging === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:17] popey: I will give that a go later, just doing 700MB of updates to other stuffs [10:18] i think balloons has put some test cases on the qa tracker too [10:19] cool, I think I will try an eyes free install on hardware too [10:20] AlanBell: you at London now? [10:20] Mez: how are things down with you [10:21] davmor2: nope, I got stuck at home [10:21] czajkowski: In coventry? [10:21] AlanBell: Shame on you [10:22] czajkowski: Mez got sent to coventry I joined voluntarily :D [10:23] davmor2: says a lot more about you than it does me [10:23] maybe we can do a hangout later on [10:23] gord: we're discussing out disline for the alt key on hud [10:23] czajkowski: does that include how it triggers when you don't want it to ? [10:24] unity is lots faster after I upgraded [10:24] and I disabled the super-w zoom to window size key in enhanced zoom to get back the default unity binding for that [10:25] zoom zoom [10:25] Mez: I rarely use it tbh [10:26] i use it when in gimp [10:26] hud still steals alt from virtualbox :( [10:27] way easier than using menus [10:28] I got the hang of setting up gimp in single window mode, that is really nice, I thought I was going to hate it but I don't [10:32] * AlanBell adds the unity staging ppa [10:34] * AlanBell loses all window decorations [10:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1192447/ [10:39] * AlanBell purges the ppa [10:40] Laney: I hate you, now I have the Mazda advert in my head [10:41] * AlanBell haz window decorations [10:41] popey: how do I file a bug about that? [10:41] * popey looks [10:42] you can haz windowz decorationz [10:42] you can file a bug from the command line [10:42] you don't need a GUI [10:43] so I would get to the state of broken-ness and "ubuntu-bug compiz" [10:43] sure, but against ppa? [10:43] yes [10:43] you need to install w3m though [10:43] no [10:43] you do not [10:43] it is a perfectly workable gui, just no decorations [10:43] ok, so in tty0, export DISPLAY=:0.0 then ubuntu-bug compiz [10:44] it will capture that you're using bleeding edge compiz [10:44] * AlanBell upgrades again [10:44] oooh E: Type ‘ain’ is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/unity-team-staging-quantal.list [10:44] popey: so how do you login to LP to report the bug without a browser then? [10:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1192457/ bad ppa purge, bad [10:45] davmor2, you have a browser [10:45] firefox [10:46] ppa-purge comments out the ppa which is annoying when you come to re-add it [10:46] good start: no package named `libjbig0' is installed, cannot configure [10:46] could not install libjbig0 [10:46] czajkowski, when doing what? [10:46] no package named `libtiff5' is installed, cannot configure [10:46] popey: oh sorry terminal rather than tty [10:46] doing the upgrade [10:46] davmor2, yes, i know, hence "export DISPLAY=:0.0" [10:46] which will trigger firefox [10:46] czajkowski, how you doing the upgrade? [10:47] alt f2 update manager-d [10:47] clicked on the upgade to 12.10 [10:47] popey: installing w3m is way easier though :D [10:47] and there is a nice little gui [10:47] no, it isnt, ff will remember password etc [10:47] Ahoy peeps :) [10:48] popey: I remember my passwords too though I have to type them in a million times a day :D [10:48] ok, I am not going to argue about this anymore davmor2 [10:48] bigcalm: why you not at the GBJ in Coventry :D [10:48] bug 1025408 [10:48] Launchpad bug 1025408 in jbigkit (Ubuntu) "package libjbig0 2.0-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: no package named `libjbig0' is installed, cannot configure" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025408 [10:48] davmor2: um, life [10:48] davmor2: why are you on irc? [10:49] GBJ in COVENTRY D'oh!!!! [10:49] The clue was in the previous message [10:51] This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again. [10:51] hmmmm [10:51] mmmmh! [10:51] my side menu is gone [10:52] as are all my borders of applications [10:52] this could be funny [10:52] "side menu"? [10:52] czajkowski: alt-drag to move them about [10:52] AlanBell, bah! that's not supposed to happen [10:52] I have a launcher still, just no window borders, shadows, title bar [10:53] alt-middle click drag to resize things czajkowski [10:54] how do you middle click on a trackpad [10:54] left+right at the same time [10:55] Humm, where have all of my Bassnectar albums gone? [10:56] The way of the dinosaur? [10:56] popey: it seems to be allowing me to ubuntu-bug unity [10:56] excellent, do that [10:56] BBCBDCB [10:57] czajkowski, you upgraded and have restarted? [10:58] but you had a problem with some packages not installed... sounds like your upgrade didn't finish [10:58] bug 1047790 [10:58] Launchpad bug 1047790 in Unity "no window decorations after upgrading to ppa:unity-team/staging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047790 [10:58] czajkowski, if you drop to a terminal or switch to tty0 you can "sudo dpkg --configure -a" [10:59] czajkowski, or "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to finish it off [10:59] czajkowski's window manager went away [10:59] UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to quantal on 2012-06-21 (78 days ago) [10:59] * AlanBell was brave :) [10:59] czajkowski: before the upgrade did you ensure you had ubutnu-desktop installed? [10:59] we're in tty1 now [10:59] tailing dpkg.log [11:00] czajkowski: so who is down at the London Jam? [11:05] alt-tab now works reasonably well [11:06] something else that needs testing is webapps [11:06] alt-doubletab is unpredictable still but I think that is just something to unlearn [11:07] what's alt-doubletap? [11:07] not used web apps [11:07] last-but one window [11:07] make sure you have unity-webapps-service installed and try visiting (in chromium) news.bbc.co.uk, facebook, gmail (not apps for domains), flickr, last.fm... [11:07] I used to kind of use multiple tab touches to navigate the z-index of about half a dozen active windows [11:08] should get an option to "integrate" with the desktop [11:08] also test out online apps in system-settings [11:08] and the google docs lens :) [11:08] web apps is working OK for me right now, is it working in firefox now? [11:08] not yet [11:09] well, it works but we had to get approval from mozilla i think [11:09] and they dragged their heels [11:09] ok, so it works in chromium and I have icons now [11:09] check the pips are accurate on the launcher [11:09] and make sure you dont have too many chromium icons when you restart webapps after locking to launcher [11:10] oh I do [11:10] but I am not running the staging PPA now, does that have a webapps upgrade in it? [11:11] so what happens if mozilla say no? do we ship it as iceweasle? === james is now known as Guest2102 [11:13] popey, can you just give those ppa's again. I'm at the global jam in london [11:13] popey: smells [11:13] Guest2102: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:unity-team/staging [11:14] popey, thanks [11:14] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/08/%23ubuntu-uk.html [11:14] :) [11:21] what are people supposed to be testing in this ppa? [11:21] aha [11:22] 08/09 12:07:36 make sure you have unity-webapps-service installed and try visiting (in chromium) news.bbc.co.uk, facebook, gmail (not apps for domains), flickr, last.fm... [11:22] shouldn't unity have brought that in? [11:23] apparently it did, soz [11:24] not facebook? [11:24] not sorry firefox? [11:24] * xnox ENGLISH?! DO I SPEAK IT! [11:26] xnox: Shh, IRC doesn't use baudot [11:26] xnox, firefox not worky worky yet [11:27] unless it has been added in the last 24 hours [11:27] popey: what about google chrome [11:27] xnox, no, chromium [11:27] cause chromium from the archive crashes for me =/ [11:27] Laney, also, manual testing .. if you "apt-get source unity" you'll find a manual testing folder with lots of tests in txt files [11:27] czajkowski: you know about a problem not being able to upload attachments on launchpad? [11:27] chrome is closed proprietary product which doesn't have our crack in it [11:28] popey: see the post from micahg asking for help maintaining chromium [11:28] i have not [11:35] popey: so the daily ppa for chromium (stable, beta, dev channels) is borked [11:36] popey: due to packaging problems with importing launchpad translations or something like that [11:36] anyone else having trouble uploading attachments to launchpad? [11:40] popey, have added the ppa and installed unity-webapps-service (which was already there). I head to bbc and get no prompt to run the webapp [11:42] popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1047809 can you confirm this at all please [11:42] Ubuntu bug 1047809 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "Clicking on an email number/folder in the indicator does make thunderbird the forground app" [Undecided,New] [11:43] Guest2102, news.bbc.co.uk should prompt you in chromium [11:44] wonder if there's something else missing.. did you restart session? [11:44] * popey pops out [11:44] popey, yup restarted and in chromium [11:44] popey, nothing happening [11:44] popey, anything i need to install from that ppa [11:44] ? [11:45] takeontom it is working fine === Guest2102 is now known as james1 [11:46] czajkowski, yeah was an odd permissions problem on my end [11:47] czajkowski, odd thing was, trying to upload in firefox was resulting in nothing happening. like the upload button was totally dead [11:47] czajkowski, figured launchpad was broken [12:03] * popey returns [12:04] james1, does facebook or twitter prompt you? [12:04] (after you login) [12:04] * popey goes to make party sandwiches [12:05] popey so, when do we seyour banana keyboard? [12:06] dunno :) [12:07] popey, twitter gives nothing, but i have just seen that although unity-webapps-service is installed, a lot of the other webapp things in the apt cache weren't. [12:07] Do i need them all installed? [12:14] yeah, they should get pulled in [12:19] popey: why is the gdocs not opening apps in gdocs. Instead I get a uneditable web page :( [12:25] czajkowski: smallest picture of a jam session ever [12:26] popey: we can't run webapps yet =( we need to install more and more of webapps packages..... [12:26] it's not simply dist-upgrade [12:26] xnox, apt-cache search webapps [12:26] pastebin the result pls [12:30] I'm back [12:30] :) [12:30] I got 5 new bugs [12:30] 1 of which was a fix commited [12:30] another one from 2011 [12:31] czajkowski: only 5 you just aren't trying [12:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-core/+bug/855123 [12:31] Ubuntu bug 855123 in at-spi2-core (Ubuntu) "at-spi2-registryd crashed with signal 5 in g_type_create_instance()" [Medium,Triaged] [12:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1047827 [12:31] Ubuntu bug 1047827 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in ccsStringToModifiers()" [Undecided,New] [12:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/telepathy-indicator/+bug/796661 [12:31] Ubuntu bug 796661 in telepathy-indicator (Ubuntu) "telepathy-indicator crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Confirmed] [12:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1047829 [12:32] Ubuntu bug 1047829 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in ccsStringToModifiers()" [Undecided,New] [12:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/1047830 [12:32] Ubuntu bug 1047830 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "gwibber-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [Undecided,New] [12:54] hah, i achieved 5-a-day yesterday by assigning a load of bugs to someone else :) [12:55] popey: I did to [12:56] :) [12:57] did you london chaps get webapps working? [12:57] nope james is gone for lunch [12:57] looks like "unity-webapps" is the one missing [12:58] Is it just me or is Unity more gorgeous than usual? [12:58] I think he was installing stuff that was missing [12:58] "unity-webapps" will pull in what you need [12:58] compiz-- [12:58] just checked on my quantal desktop [12:58] heh [12:58] popey: does webaps working on 12.10 [12:59] yes [12:59] "unity-webapps" install that and make sure you have restarted your session and use chromium [12:59] you should be able to login to fb or twitter, and get a prompt at the top to "integrate" with the desktop [12:59] and then lock an icon to launcher for fb / twitter [12:59] and be able to alt-tab to fb [13:02] popey: do you happen to have a usb headset knocking about? [13:02] hmm intersiting [13:02] i do davmor2 [13:04] popey: play a track in RB, plug in your headset, audio settings set the audio to the headset. Unplug the headset reboot, plug in the headset and play a track note the audio settings still say speaker even though it is now playing from the headset :) [13:06] it doesn't switch when i first plug in [13:07] gonna have to test more later, off out [13:07] popey: so to get webapps installed on 12.10 is it a ppa I need to install ? [13:10] wth do energy companies have such broken websites [13:12] because working websites cost moneys [13:12] and spending moneys is evil [13:12] penguin42: cause real users aren't meant to use them [13:13] they just have to be functional enough that price comparison websites can scrape them [13:14] then they won't dare change them unless they break the linkage [13:14] edf's won't take a reading, and scottish power's just won't respond at all [13:15] * StevenR finds the British Gas website functional enough [13:29] * penguin42 suspects they have a nasty habit of doing maintenance on their live systems [13:38] Mez: many folks at your UGJ [13:42] czajkowski: 3 today, 4 yesterday [13:45] cool [13:53] popey: I got this but to record in the end https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1047473 you'll need to play the video in totem though FF doesn't like it [13:53] Ubuntu bug 1047473 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox play button has an odd square around it." [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:54] bet add on in thunderbird ever.............bugmail 2.0 [13:54] install [13:54] click on a bug in your inbox [13:54] and magic [13:56] czajkowski: you bet on add-ons [13:56] it's soo frickin handy [13:56] davmor2: you down in coventry ? [13:57] no I'm across in coventry [13:57] and up from you :P [13:58] want to do a hangout [13:59] set it up and we'll think about it :D [14:01] ok [14:02] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f62d22a92ed855624be306e8ab1c83e570c5eda5?authuser=0&hl=en-GB [14:02] join.............. [14:04] davmor2: com on [14:05] mez is just setting up a machine with the projector [14:08] audio is a disaster [14:08] all I can hear is a stream of fecks [14:10] no thats just czajkowski [14:10] yeah, every word that isn't feck is all broken up and incomprehensible [14:10] arguably that is still just czajkowski [14:11] AlanBell: that's cause czajkowski shouts feck and whispers everything else [14:11] but I think a microphone that isn't welded to the speakers might help somewhat [14:12] hahahahahaha [14:22] built in microphones on laptops are not very good :( [14:23] so google+ gives me a 'install plugin' from a non https page with a non https download to pull a .deb - that's a bit nasty [14:24] this is painful [14:24] 2012 eh [14:26] I thought canonical peeps use hangouts all the time [14:27] * AlanBell downloads the daily live iso zsync thingie [14:28] MOO!!!!!! [14:28] which one is davmor2? [14:28] AlanBell: I do on my precise machine at home [14:28] AlanBell: i'm waving [14:28] I see you waving [14:29] AlanBell: how are the chickens? [14:30] czajkowski: it goes with the job [14:40] Laney: you're seriously having some cam problems there [14:41] Mez: I don't know what you mean it's a great shot of czajkowski forehead [14:41] It might be useful to have the cam and the mic on the same machine... so we don't get focused to black when you talk. [14:48] I've switched mine off as machine is getting hot [14:48] Should've got a macbook air... [14:50] hmm not sure I've gotten these webapps thingymebobby working [14:52] Mez: it's off === jb26k is now known as frango [14:53] hi guys, i'm new here [14:53] hi frango [14:54] i cam with a question [14:54] came* [14:54] needs moar aircon === james is now known as Guest18757 === Guest18757 is now known as james1 [14:55] i looked on canonicals website for ubuntu jobs but they're all kinda high level [14:55] i was wondering if anyone knew if there were any uk based low level jobs working with ubuntu? [14:55] frango: Well, don't ever stop what's listed on a site stop you from submitting a CV [14:56] yeah i was looking for a proper place to send my cv [14:56] but i couldnt find anything [14:56] lots of links to IRC though :P [14:56] frango: you'd need to apply for something and then it is logged [14:57] so you think if i apply for any of those jobs they will just keep my CV for other positions? [14:57] BigRedS: http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-London/events/77153502/ [14:57] Laney: http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-London/events/77153502/ [14:58] AlanBell: prod just checking your alive as you don't seem to of move for 10 minutes :D [14:58] james1: ^^^ in case you're interested [14:59] frango: Well there's never harm in applying to places - especially if you're honest; i.e. say what you were looking for [15:01] ok [15:01] thanks for the encouragement [15:02] does anyone here work with ubuntu? [15:03] frango: some work and many use it every day [15:05] i used it on my work pc when i wasnt meant to haha and i use it on almost all of my stuff [15:06] czajkowski: have we lost london altogether now? [15:06] yap [15:07] HA HAAAA! [15:15] lost london? [15:15] i hope not, i live there [15:15] http://t.co/LaMAGNHa [15:16] james__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing [15:29] yay, I have a USB with Ubuntu on it, and a computer and a keyboard and speakers [15:30] yay [15:38] * BigRedS *nearly* has a 12.10 install to test things in [15:38] *nearly* [15:38] yeah, only 83°C too! [15:47] czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:47] booo [15:52] davmor2: do you see THIS? [15:53] czajkowski: apparently davmor2's server is ignoring you :) [15:53] maybe you have to hilight him ? [15:55] czajkowski: :P :P :P [15:55] davmor2: HELLO!! [15:56] czajkowski: Hello what time you guys knocking off? [15:59] 5:30 I think [15:59] czajkowski: you're a great organiser aren't you :D [15:59] feck off [16:00] anyone got the daily live to actually run the installer at all? [16:00] I got yesterdays to [16:02] lets try the beta1 image [16:02] * AlanBell downloads [16:07] Daily from today or yesterday? [16:07] The today one should be ok..... [16:07] it it managed to build.... [16:07] today [16:07] yeah, but ubiquity doesn't run [16:07]