[00:56] <pleia2> we got a pizza sponsor for tomorrow :D!
[00:57] <pleia2> geofft of MokaFive.com is hooking us up
[00:57] <pleia2> thanks for putting us in touch paulproteus :)
[03:47] <paulproteus> pleia2: (-:
[05:16] <greg-g> oh man, pizza, don't tempt me so!
[05:16] <pleia2> "there, I fixed it" http://sf.streetsblog.org/2012/09/06/eyes-on-the-street-muni-trains-get-straps-to-prevent-gap-crossings/
[05:16] <darthrobot> Title: [Eyes on the Street: Muni Trains Get Straps to Prevent Gap Crossings | Streetsblog San Francisco]
[05:16] <pleia2> I loled
[05:16] <pleia2> greg-g: you should come, there will be pizza
[05:17] <greg-g> :P
[05:17] <pleia2> :D
[07:04] <paulproteus> I'm excited that there will be pizza!
[07:04] <paulproteus> pleia2: Yeah, glad I could connect you two. In general, (1) I don't like it when volunteers for free software stuff have out-of-pocket expenses, since that's a road to burnout and other sadness, and (2) I treat getting corporate sponsors like it's my job.
[07:04] <paulproteus> 'Cause it kind of really is!
[07:05] <bkerensa> road to burnout and other sadness
[07:05] <bkerensa> ^ the truth
[07:05] <bkerensa> :P
[07:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: there must be lots of sponsorship opps in California
[16:09] <pleia2> paulproteus: I've found that people are largely generous when they realize a volunteer is paying, over the years my out of pocket expenses have been quite limited
[16:11] <pleia2> but sponsors are better :)
[18:07] <philballew> osx should be able to read a ext# drive through sftp right?
[18:08] <akk> An extX drive mounted on a Linux machine, and osx is talking to the linux machine via sftp?
[18:10] <philballew> yeah akk . macbook pro, and a ubuntu server (converted ppc mac mini)
[18:11] <akk> Sure, if some other machine is serving the file, the macbook has no way of knowing what filesystem it was on.
[18:11] <akk> All it sees is the sftp protocol.
[18:11] <philballew> shoot, thats right...
[18:12] <philballew> gotta make sure my roomate can read the drive to.
[18:12] <philballew> for some reason he has yet to give in to linux :)
[18:13] <akk> Mac people are funny that way.
[18:13] <philballew> I like osx for the fact its unix in some way. Thats about it.
[18:14] <akk> Yeah, it's better than windows. :)
[18:15] <pleia2> gah, my place is a mess
[18:16] <pleia2> tomorrow I shall clean up, put all this ubuntu stuff away!
[18:16] <philballew> pleia2, if you fly me up there, i'll clean it for you.
[18:16] <pleia2> hah
[18:16] <pleia2> it's just messy, too much stuff, not enough space :)
[18:16] <akk> d recently got a new mac with lion (or is it mountain lion?) and was struggling with things like the hardwired delay for animation when you switch desktops.
[18:17] <akk> I said "Hmm, maybe if you poke around in the binary you could find where the delay is set and binary-patch it to be shorter"
[18:17] <akk> and he said "Yeah, somebody already did that ... and if you pay $15 you can buy the program ... Macs!"
[18:18] <philballew> pleia2, you should rent the apartment next to you, and tear down the wall. Just find the support beams, and set up a brace. I could get that done in 3 days tops
[18:18] <pleia2> they certainly do have a very for-pay culture :)
[18:18] <akk> Yep, and not a sharing culture.
[18:18] <philballew> sharing is caring
[18:18] <pleia2> philballew: sure, while I'm at it I'll get a second job, one that pays much more than my first job, so I can pay for a second condo in downtown SF ;)
[18:19] <pleia2> packing up to head out to the global jam \o/
[18:19] <philballew> I hear there is places you can buy a house for those two months rent combined!
[18:20]  * philballew runs and hides
[18:20] <pleia2> true story
[18:20] <pleia2> hey geofft_ :)
[18:21] <pleia2> ok, laptops, all isos and paperwork, stickers, quetzal...
[18:21] <philballew> I have a friend living in Boise. houses are like 80 - 150 thousand. ever find a thing like that in CA.
[18:21] <philballew> Not even in Bakersfield
[18:21] <pleia2> yeah
[18:21] <akk> I hear Boise is pretty.
[18:21] <pleia2> going back to PA we look at houses we considered mansions there that go for around $750k
[18:22] <pleia2> we won't be able to find a very big place for that much here
[18:22] <pleia2> let alone a yard
[18:22] <philballew> My uncle has a house he rents in sf. been there since the 80's and rent control has him at a few hundred a month.
[18:23] <pleia2> ah yes, that rent control is nice for renters :)
[18:23] <pleia2> we own our place, and we wouldn't be able to pay all the mortgage if we rented it out
[18:23] <geofft_> pleia2: Hi
[18:23] <philballew> just think pleia2 you out there with your lawnmower mowing it. you can shape your hedges into ubuntu logos or something to!
[18:24] <pleia2> I had a yard at my house in PA, gardens are too much work :)
[18:24] <akk> But she'd have to let it grow out twice a year so she could change the animal. :)
[18:24] <pleia2> haha, yeah
[18:24] <philballew> hah! A garden is a very economical way to eat.
[18:24]  * akk loves having a garden, but doesn't really want a lawn big enough to mow into shapes
[18:25] <pleia2> I had groundhogs that would eat veggies, and the groundhogs had cute babies and so I let them
[18:25] <philballew> in auburn i had an acre to mow once a week. It gets old.
[18:25] <akk> I don't think the garden has saved me any eating money. But it's fun to be able to have lunch now and then from something I picked from the backyard.
[18:25] <pleia2> (I am not a very good gardener :))
[18:25] <philballew> Groundhog day is a good day in my life
[18:26] <akk> pleia2: We're the same way -- let the animals win (at least vertebrates, I'm not so kind to snails).
[18:26] <philballew> salt
[18:26] <akk> Though I am getting a little annoyed with the birds eating holes in all my apples from my baby apple tree.
[18:26] <pleia2> oh gosh, I need to get going
[18:26] <pleia2> I'll check in from the jam and take lots of pictures :)
[18:26] <akk> Have fun, pleia2!
[18:28]  * akk tries to focus and catch up on the latest 25 long messages on the app developer process
[18:29] <philballew> though ubuntu doesnt officially support ppc, the community made one should still work fine probably.
[18:35] <akk> The roommate's mac is ppc? I'd be hesitant to run linux (and certainly not ubuntu) on something that old.
[19:04] <pleia2> 5 people here already :)
[19:05] <akk> \o/ par-tay!
[20:20] <philballew> well its a mac mini. Gonna set up a simple file server.
[20:20] <philballew> pleia2, dont have to much fun!
[20:47] <grantbow> ten total people now. pizza is on the way I think :-) Thank you pleia2 and moka5.com
[20:48] <grantbow> and wikimedia
[21:01] <pleia2> pizza is here!
[21:05] <grantbow> +1
[21:16] <akk> I wish I could figure out the rule for when IRC clients auto-reconnect after resuming from suspend. They do at home, they don't here.
[22:18] <bkerensa> doh
[22:36]  * wiretapped is at a planning meeting for an eastbay cryptoparty
[22:37] <wiretapped> see http://www.cryptoparty.org/
[22:37] <darthrobot> [R: www.cryptoparty.org] Title: [CryptoParty]
[23:08] <iheartubuntu> been a while, how is everyone doing?
[23:08] <pleia2> hi there iheartubuntu
[23:09] <iheartubuntu> hiya lyz
[23:11] <iheartubuntu> typing with one hand :)
[23:14] <pleia2> how's your finger?
[23:19] <iheartubuntu> its throbbing
[23:19] <iheartubuntu> changing my own bandages since i switched docs to closer one
[23:20] <iheartubuntu> really like the chat in thunderbird
[23:20] <iheartubuntu> works nice
[23:21]  * pleia2 nods
[23:21] <pleia2> I didn't know thunderbird had chat
[23:22] <iheartubuntu> the recently updated stable release included it finally
[23:22] <pleia2> ah :)
[23:23] <iheartubuntu> how are you? going anywhere exciting before end of year?
[23:24] <pleia2> good, wrapping up an ubuntu global jam event here in sf
[23:24] <iheartubuntu> ohh are you at it right now?
[23:25] <iheartubuntu> so thunderbird now offers chat for twitter, facebook, google, irc, and xmpp
[23:26] <pleia2> yep
[23:26] <iheartubuntu> hope to get a regular ubuntu hour going in claremont after my finger heals.
[23:26] <philballew> could be a while
[23:27] <iheartubuntu> gaskin and bermudes are doing great with the pasadena one
[23:27] <iheartubuntu> i hope not too long!
[23:27] <iheartubuntu> although it doesnt look pretty at all
[23:27] <philballew> I saw!
[23:29] <philballew> hope the "pics or it didnt happen" comment was not to harsh :)
[23:29] <iheartubuntu> it forced me to post something :) but not too graphic
[23:29] <iheartubuntu> i have to keep my hand up all the time now
[23:30] <iheartubuntu> now my chatty neighbor across the street thinks im always waving at him
[23:31] <pleia2> lol
[23:32] <iheartubuntu> *good grief*
[23:32] <iheartubuntu> haha
[23:37] <iheartubuntu> i have a new photo of my thumb which is quite graphic, and it wasnt even the one that was cut off
[23:38] <iheartubuntu> i can make it my google+ wallpaper scene
[23:38] <iheartubuntu> j/k!
[23:39] <philballew> never cut myself on a table saw, but had many kick backs
[23:39] <philballew> i had a dado blade kick something back in hs that hit me in in croch. Hurt worse then anything in my life.
[23:41] <bkerensa> Mapquest brought a stack of money!
[23:41] <bkerensa> they are giving it away in a hour
[23:41] <bkerensa> :D
[23:41] <bkerensa> its actually four stacks of cash :)
[23:42] <philballew> I have a dollar. Thats like a big stack of pennies.
[23:44] <philballew> bkerensa, your gonna give me the money when you get it right?
[23:44] <iheartubuntu> if its the new pennies its probably worth less than a dollar
[23:44] <philballew> I mean, you gotta share the money, like you share the code.
[23:45] <iheartubuntu> open source money
[23:45] <philballew> bkerensa, share the money, it's the floss way!!
[23:45] <philballew> we need to open source the fed!
[23:45] <philballew> that would then open source money
[23:46] <iheartubuntu> wife back home. so tempted to try grannies homemade vodka
[23:46] <bkerensa> iheartubuntu: http://i.imgur.com/2u5U9.jpg
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[23:46] <bkerensa> philballew:  ^
[23:46] <iheartubuntu> NICE
[23:46] <iheartubuntu> is that a webcam too?
[23:46] <iheartubuntu> the stack of money has its own channel?
[23:46] <philballew> bkerensa, sorry, I only use bitcoins.
[23:48] <iheartubuntu> i no like bitcoin anymore
[23:48] <philballew> how so?
[23:48] <iheartubuntu> it crashed a while back
[23:48] <philballew> That is true
[23:48] <iheartubuntu> some hacking thing or something. i forget
[23:49] <iheartubuntu> i want something tangible
[23:49] <philballew> agreed.
[23:50] <philballew> less influence of the government that way
[23:56] <iheartubuntu> so ubuntu is moving away from the liveCD
[23:56] <iheartubuntu> im guessing there will be an official liveDVD now?
[23:59] <philballew> iirc it will be