[06:48] <Kilos> hi superfly magespawn and others
[06:48] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> whats a doodle
[06:48] <Kilos> as in the startrek doodle
[06:50] <Kilos> just a pic?
[07:07] <superfly> a doodle is a drawing you do when you're bored... I presume they mean the same thing?
[07:15] <Kilos> ty superfly  so at least doodling still means the same thing
[07:16] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know - I don't know what the star trek doodle is....
[07:16] <superfly> oh wait, are they talking about google's doodles?
[07:17] <Kilos> nor me but niece mailed me a pic and i wondered if that is what merryjay was talking about last night
[07:18] <superfly> bwahahaha
[07:18] <superfly> yes, google has a star trek doodle
[07:18] <Kilos> i sent it to youre mail
[07:18] <Kilos> is that it
[07:20] <Kilos> spells out google
[08:00] <Kilos> hi queery 
[10:56] <tumbleweed> bugger, we missed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[11:23] <inetpro> It’s Official: The Ubuntu LiveCD is Dead http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/its-official-the-ubuntu-livecd-is-dead
[11:42] <tumbleweed> you get 800MB CDs
[11:42] <tumbleweed> but it's also been "official" for a while
[11:42] <tumbleweed> we decided to start raising the image sizes a few UDSs ago
[11:57] <Kilos> thats sad
[11:59] <tumbleweed> the argument is fairly straight-forwarrd
[11:59] <tumbleweed> most people install from flash drives
[11:59] <tumbleweed> and trying to keep a working desktop on 1 CD was getting close to impossible
[12:00] <tumbleweed> we still have the tiny netinst CD (30MB)
[12:00] <Kilos> so tell about the 800m cds tumbleweed 
[12:03] <tumbleweed> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Physical_characteristics
[12:04] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I install from flash drive as well
[12:04] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what's the reasoning behind limiting it to 800MB specifically? Why not a bit more?
[12:04] <tumbleweed> we add 50MB each release
[12:04] <Kilos> inetpro, thats fine for geeks but methinks many prospective users will now go to other flavours
[12:05] <Kilos> tumbleweed, take some of the office stuff out and make them installable later 
[12:05] <tumbleweed> how about people without internet access?
[12:05] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[12:06] <tumbleweed> debian has hit similar trouble. It currently hase XFCE on the first CD, because gnome won't fit any more
[12:06] <inetpro> office should be absolutely standard software for everyone
[12:06] <tumbleweed> (even though, we geeks never use office software)
[12:06] <Kilos> lol
[12:06] <tumbleweed> apparently everyone eles does
[12:06] <inetpro> tumbleweed: eh
[12:06] <Kilos> yes but as with winsucks office can come later
[12:07] <tumbleweed> inetpro: when was the last time you used an office suite? I can't remember the last time I did
[12:07] <tumbleweed> but it was probably to read something someone had sent me
[12:07] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I use spreadsheets a lot
[12:07] <inetpro> and then I have started using Libreoffice draw more often lately
[12:07] <inetpro> using it for drawing network diagrams
[12:08] <Kilos> make office a separate cd
[12:08] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[12:08] <Kilos> lol
[12:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos: when was the last time you used a CD?
[12:08] <tumbleweed> my laptop doesn't even have an optical drive
[12:08] <Kilos> everytime i install
[12:09]  * inetpro has no need for an optical drive either
[12:09] <tumbleweed> DVDs don't cost more than CDs
[12:09] <Kilos> only have a cdrom
[12:09] <tumbleweed> and nobody has a CD drive that can't read DVDs
[12:09] <Kilos> cdroms cant rewad dvds
[12:09] <Kilos> read
[12:09] <tumbleweed> right, but cdrom drives haven't been on the market for years
[12:10] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I think there might be a few around still but I agree it's time to move on 
[12:10] <Kilos> dvd can read cd but not vice versa
[12:10] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yes, but nobody has bought one in at laest 5 years
[12:10] <tumbleweed> and drives more than 5 years old are pretty unlikely to be working
[12:10] <Kilos> lol i did
[12:11] <tumbleweed> where did you find one?
[12:11] <inetpro> I think it's time for DVD players to come with a USB port
[12:11] <Kilos> pc shop
[12:11] <tumbleweed> inetpro: they usually do
[12:11] <inetpro> tumbleweed: serious!?
[12:11]  * inetpro didn't know that
[12:11] <Kerbero> usb host or usb client port?
[12:11] <inetpro> video shops should rent out usb flash drives :-)
[12:12] <inetpro> or allow you to pay per download
[12:12] <tumbleweed> Kilos: you sure it doesn't support DVDs too?
[12:13] <Kilos> yip tumbleweed ive tried
[12:13]  * tumbleweed googles for cd-rom drive and just finds dvd drives
[12:13] <Kilos> yeah times move on
[12:13] <Kilos> sadly
[12:13] <Kilos> many old pcs will stay on win xp
[12:14] <inetpro> hmm... did I tell about ABSA still using XP on their ATM machines?
[12:14] <inetpro> the other day I had this scary experience
[12:15] <inetpro> was trying to withdraw money when the machine suddenly just started hanging
[12:15] <Kilos> xp was a good os for windows
[12:15] <Kilos> ai
[12:15] <inetpro> and while I was trying to phone the number suddenly the thing started rebooting
[12:16] <inetpro> I was shocked to see XP booting up
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <inetpro> luckily it kicked out my card
[12:16] <inetpro> I turned around and went to seek for another machine
[12:17] <Kilos> lucky
[13:03] <kodez> kilos: what do you mean by saying "many old pcs will stay on win xp"
[13:03] <kodez> haven't you heard about ubuntu?
[13:03] <kodez> lubuntu?
[13:03] <Kilos> those that cant load 7 off a dvd or new ubuntu's
[13:03] <kodez> greetings everyone
[13:04] <Kilos> its fine now still one can make a copy of a cd and offer it to someone who wants to leave winsucks
[13:04] <kodez> lubuntu is working much better than win xp, even though i respect xp in the win xp
[13:05] <Kilos> i havent tried lubuntu
[13:05] <kodez> does anyone know where i can buy cd+rw?
[13:05] <Kilos> are they not also gonna go dvd
[13:05] <Kilos> look in chinese pc shops
[13:06] <kodez> kilos: i had installed lubuntu12.04 on my mother's old laptop and its working better than win xp
[13:06] <tumbleweed> lubuntu is currently at 686MB
[13:06] <Kilos> hi kodez 
[13:07] <Kilos> yeah but one has to download it tumbleweed 
[13:07] <Kilos> our cds come from canonical
[13:08] <tumbleweed> canonical only distributes CDs of flavours they support
[13:09] <tumbleweed> DVDs now, I guess
[13:09] <Kilos> yeah
[13:09] <Kilos> so i gotta invest in a dvdrom
[13:09] <Kilos> i kinda got used to unity
[13:10] <tumbleweed> get a flash drive
[13:10] <kodez> hi uncle Kilos
[13:10] <Kilos> kodez, where are you?
[13:10] <Kilos> and how do i get it for the flash tumbleweed 
[13:10] <tumbleweed> download it
[13:11] <Kilos> lol
[13:11] <tumbleweed> 800MB costs R10 to download on DSL
[13:11] <Kilos> and older pcs cant boot from flash drives
[13:12] <tumbleweed> only really old ones
[13:12] <Kilos> 3g?
[13:13] <tumbleweed> probably ~R100
[13:13] <tumbleweed> less if you buy a big bundle
[13:13] <Kilos> if i had adsl i would have downloaded all the flavours already
[13:13] <Kilos> and played with 12.10 too
[13:13] <kodez> Kilos: I eside in Mamelodi East, just next to Hans Strydom
[13:14] <kodez> reside
[13:14] <kodez> not far from MaxCity Complex
[13:17] <Kilos> one gets lots of the older pc goodies from chinese shops or even worth a try at indian shops
[13:18] <Kilos> we even got a 80G ide drive from one in pta coupla years ago
[13:19] <Kilos> or last resort is second hand from shops that do pc upgrading
[14:08] <inetpro> who's going to Software Freedom Day next weekend?
[14:09] <inetpro> oh and I mean Software Freedom Day at Wits in JHB
[14:10]  * inetpro is thinking about taking the Gautrain
[14:33] <Kilos> inetpro, you got 5 mins?
[14:35] <inetpro> Kilos: in a minute or two
[14:35] <Kilos> k
[14:35] <superfly> inetpro: does the Gautrain have a station in Cape Town?
[14:35] <Kilos> lol
[14:38] <inetpro> superfly: would be nice
[14:38] <inetpro> Kilos: ok shoot
[14:38] <Kilos> i have 2 ubuntu pcs showing cable connected must i go with remote desktop to see the other one
[14:39] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm
[14:40] <inetpro> now this one could twist into many different topics
[14:40] <inetpro> so lets' start at the basics
[14:40] <Kilos> oh my
[14:41] <Kilos> if its gonna take lots of your time dont worry now
[14:41] <Kilos> is there a link i can read up on it
[14:41] <inetpro> I guess you should just start by having both laptops configured on the ethernet interface with IP addresses and netmasks in the same range 
[14:41] <inetpro> Kilos: are they both ubuntu?
[14:42] <Kilos> ya 12.04 and 11.04
[14:42] <inetpro> ok which one do you connect with to the interwebs?
[14:42] <inetpro> I guess 12.04?
[14:42] <Kilos> 12.04
[14:43] <Kilos> 3g
[14:43] <Kilos> but modem can go to either one
[14:43] <inetpro> do you have an IP address assigned to the cable/ethernet interface?
[14:44] <inetpro> with network manager
[14:44] <Kilos> ya i think so
[14:44] <inetpro> can you confirm
[14:44] <inetpro> go to cli
[14:44] <inetpro> ifconfig -a
[14:45] <inetpro> or sudo ifconfig -a
[14:45] <Kilos> must i pste it?
[14:46] <Kilos> paste
[14:46] <inetpro> may be a bit long
[14:46] <Kilos> lotsa info
[14:46] <Kilos> go my channel
[14:46] <inetpro> hmm... I be on ##kilos
[16:01] <smile> Hi all :)
[16:26] <smile> Writing an e-mail in Afrikaans is not easy if it's a long one :p
[16:45] <inetpro> smile: hoekom?
[16:46] <smile> inetpro: Ek het 'n kennis in Suid-Afrika :p
[16:46] <inetpro> wb not_found
[16:46] <not_found> hi and thanks inetpro 
[16:49] <superfly> ohi not_found
[16:49] <not_found> hey superfly :)
[16:51] <Kilos> hi not_found you well?
[16:52] <not_found> hey uncle Kilos ... all is well as always thanks... and over there in sunny SA?
[16:54] <Kilos> we all ok ty neil
[16:54] <Kilos> still cold though
[16:55] <not_found> should start warming up soon... we are loosing our heat and it must be going someplace :)
[16:56] <Kilos> it did then we had a bit of rain and big cold fronts
[16:57] <Kilos> not down to freezing again but days of 17 and 19
[16:57] <Kilos> i like days of 30
[16:58] <Kilos> 9 days to next meeting i think
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[18:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:40] <zeref> hurrrmmmm