[06:48] hi superfly magespawn and others [06:48] morning Kilos [06:48] whats a doodle [06:48] as in the startrek doodle [06:50] just a pic? [07:07] a doodle is a drawing you do when you're bored... I presume they mean the same thing? [07:15] ty superfly so at least doodling still means the same thing [07:16] Kilos: I don't know - I don't know what the star trek doodle is.... [07:16] oh wait, are they talking about google's doodles? [07:17] nor me but niece mailed me a pic and i wondered if that is what merryjay was talking about last night [07:18] bwahahaha [07:18] yes, google has a star trek doodle [07:18] i sent it to youre mail [07:18] is that it [07:20] spells out google [08:00] hi queery [10:56] bugger, we missed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [11:23] It’s Official: The Ubuntu LiveCD is Dead http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/its-official-the-ubuntu-livecd-is-dead [11:42] you get 800MB CDs [11:42] but it's also been "official" for a while [11:42] we decided to start raising the image sizes a few UDSs ago [11:57] thats sad [11:59] the argument is fairly straight-forwarrd [11:59] most people install from flash drives [11:59] and trying to keep a working desktop on 1 CD was getting close to impossible [12:00] we still have the tiny netinst CD (30MB) [12:00] so tell about the 800m cds tumbleweed [12:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Physical_characteristics [12:04] tumbleweed: I install from flash drive as well [12:04] tumbleweed: what's the reasoning behind limiting it to 800MB specifically? Why not a bit more? [12:04] we add 50MB each release [12:04] inetpro, thats fine for geeks but methinks many prospective users will now go to other flavours [12:05] tumbleweed, take some of the office stuff out and make them installable later [12:05] how about people without internet access? [12:05] Kilos: no [12:06] debian has hit similar trouble. It currently hase XFCE on the first CD, because gnome won't fit any more [12:06] office should be absolutely standard software for everyone [12:06] (even though, we geeks never use office software) [12:06] lol [12:06] apparently everyone eles does [12:06] tumbleweed: eh [12:06] yes but as with winsucks office can come later [12:07] inetpro: when was the last time you used an office suite? I can't remember the last time I did [12:07] but it was probably to read something someone had sent me [12:07] tumbleweed: I use spreadsheets a lot [12:07] and then I have started using Libreoffice draw more often lately [12:07] using it for drawing network diagrams [12:08] make office a separate cd [12:08] Kilos: no [12:08] lol [12:08] Kilos: when was the last time you used a CD? [12:08] my laptop doesn't even have an optical drive [12:08] everytime i install [12:09] * inetpro has no need for an optical drive either [12:09] DVDs don't cost more than CDs [12:09] only have a cdrom [12:09] and nobody has a CD drive that can't read DVDs [12:09] cdroms cant rewad dvds [12:09] read [12:09] right, but cdrom drives haven't been on the market for years [12:10] tumbleweed: I think there might be a few around still but I agree it's time to move on [12:10] dvd can read cd but not vice versa [12:10] Kilos: yes, but nobody has bought one in at laest 5 years [12:10] and drives more than 5 years old are pretty unlikely to be working [12:10] lol i did [12:11] where did you find one? [12:11] I think it's time for DVD players to come with a USB port [12:11] pc shop [12:11] inetpro: they usually do [12:11] tumbleweed: serious!? [12:11] * inetpro didn't know that [12:11] usb host or usb client port? [12:11] video shops should rent out usb flash drives :-) [12:12] or allow you to pay per download [12:12] Kilos: you sure it doesn't support DVDs too? [12:13] yip tumbleweed ive tried [12:13] * tumbleweed googles for cd-rom drive and just finds dvd drives [12:13] yeah times move on [12:13] sadly [12:13] many old pcs will stay on win xp [12:14] hmm... did I tell about ABSA still using XP on their ATM machines? [12:14] the other day I had this scary experience [12:15] was trying to withdraw money when the machine suddenly just started hanging [12:15] xp was a good os for windows [12:15] ai [12:15] and while I was trying to phone the number suddenly the thing started rebooting [12:16] I was shocked to see XP booting up [12:16] lol [12:16] luckily it kicked out my card [12:16] I turned around and went to seek for another machine [12:17] lucky [13:03] kilos: what do you mean by saying "many old pcs will stay on win xp" [13:03] haven't you heard about ubuntu? [13:03] lubuntu? [13:03] those that cant load 7 off a dvd or new ubuntu's [13:03] greetings everyone [13:04] its fine now still one can make a copy of a cd and offer it to someone who wants to leave winsucks [13:04] lubuntu is working much better than win xp, even though i respect xp in the win xp [13:05] i havent tried lubuntu [13:05] does anyone know where i can buy cd+rw? [13:05] are they not also gonna go dvd [13:05] look in chinese pc shops [13:06] kilos: i had installed lubuntu12.04 on my mother's old laptop and its working better than win xp [13:06] lubuntu is currently at 686MB [13:06] hi kodez [13:07] yeah but one has to download it tumbleweed [13:07] our cds come from canonical [13:08] canonical only distributes CDs of flavours they support [13:09] DVDs now, I guess [13:09] yeah [13:09] so i gotta invest in a dvdrom [13:09] i kinda got used to unity [13:10] get a flash drive [13:10] hi uncle Kilos [13:10] kodez, where are you? [13:10] and how do i get it for the flash tumbleweed [13:10] download it [13:11] lol [13:11] 800MB costs R10 to download on DSL [13:11] and older pcs cant boot from flash drives [13:12] only really old ones [13:12] 3g? [13:13] probably ~R100 [13:13] less if you buy a big bundle [13:13] if i had adsl i would have downloaded all the flavours already [13:13] and played with 12.10 too [13:13] Kilos: I eside in Mamelodi East, just next to Hans Strydom [13:14] reside [13:14] not far from MaxCity Complex [13:17] one gets lots of the older pc goodies from chinese shops or even worth a try at indian shops [13:18] we even got a 80G ide drive from one in pta coupla years ago [13:19] or last resort is second hand from shops that do pc upgrading [14:08] who's going to Software Freedom Day next weekend? [14:09] oh and I mean Software Freedom Day at Wits in JHB [14:10] * inetpro is thinking about taking the Gautrain [14:33] inetpro, you got 5 mins? [14:35] Kilos: in a minute or two [14:35] k [14:35] inetpro: does the Gautrain have a station in Cape Town? [14:35] lol [14:38] superfly: would be nice [14:38] Kilos: ok shoot [14:38] i have 2 ubuntu pcs showing cable connected must i go with remote desktop to see the other one [14:39] Kilos: hmm [14:40] now this one could twist into many different topics [14:40] so lets' start at the basics [14:40] oh my === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [14:41] if its gonna take lots of your time dont worry now [14:41] is there a link i can read up on it [14:41] I guess you should just start by having both laptops configured on the ethernet interface with IP addresses and netmasks in the same range [14:41] Kilos: are they both ubuntu? [14:42] ya 12.04 and 11.04 [14:42] ok which one do you connect with to the interwebs? [14:42] I guess 12.04? [14:42] 12.04 [14:43] 3g [14:43] but modem can go to either one [14:43] do you have an IP address assigned to the cable/ethernet interface? [14:44] with network manager [14:44] ya i think so [14:44] can you confirm [14:44] go to cli [14:44] ifconfig -a [14:45] or sudo ifconfig -a [14:45] must i pste it? [14:46] paste [14:46] may be a bit long [14:46] lotsa info [14:46] go my channel [14:46] hmm... I be on ##kilos [16:01] Hi all :) [16:26] Writing an e-mail in Afrikaans is not easy if it's a long one :p [16:45] smile: hoekom? [16:46] inetpro: Ek het 'n kennis in Suid-Afrika :p [16:46] wb not_found [16:46] hi and thanks inetpro [16:49] ohi not_found [16:49] hey superfly :) [16:51] hi not_found you well? [16:52] hey uncle Kilos ... all is well as always thanks... and over there in sunny SA? [16:54] we all ok ty neil [16:54] still cold though [16:55] should start warming up soon... we are loosing our heat and it must be going someplace :) [16:56] it did then we had a bit of rain and big cold fronts [16:57] not down to freezing again but days of 17 and 19 [16:57] i like days of 30 [16:58] 9 days to next meeting i think [18:32] bye :) [18:45] night all. sleep tight [19:40] hurrrmmmm === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za