[00:41]  * pleia2 branches and looks
[00:42] <xnox> haha =)
[00:43] <pleia2> oh I see, so it's statically pointing to /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-precise-right.png
[00:43] <xnox> yeap.
[00:43] <pleia2> hehe warty-final-ubuntu.png
[00:44] <xnox> well....
[00:44] <xnox> we start gnome-settings-daemon and get the $background for free now
[00:44] <xnox> ....
[00:45] <xnox> but there are people who still rely on it being called warty-final-ubuntu.png and actually customize CDs that way.....
[00:45] <pleia2> ah :)
[00:45] <xnox> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
[00:45] <pleia2> I don't know much about xfconf-query and the default settings
[00:45] <xnox> fair enough =)
[00:46] <xnox> how often does xubuntu change wallpapers?
[00:46] <pleia2> we've been doing it each release lately, but I don't know what the plan is really
[00:47] <xnox> hmmm... compat symlink for "default" wallpaper or keep it's name the same?
[00:48] <xnox> or poke the fine folks at #xfce to query the default wallpaper from the xubuntu-default-settings
[00:49] <xnox> it's something like $ xfconf-query -c APP_NAME -p '/setting/name'
[00:49] <xnox> to query the settings.
[00:49] <pleia2> ah
[00:49] <xnox> If you look at the xml of the xubuntu-default-settings you should get the APP_NAME and /setting/name from there
[00:50] <xnox> xubuntu_wallpaper = subprocess.check_output(['xfconf-query', ...]) should do the trick
[00:52] <pleia2> hmm
[00:52]  * xnox check the python docs though, It's 2AM over here in London
[00:52] <xnox> what's up?
[00:52] <pleia2> looking for this xml
[00:58] <pleia2> I'll have to look at this later, just realized how long I've been at my desk
[00:59] <xnox> ok.
[07:22] <noskcaj> hello everyone, i have changed the testcases on the iso tracker (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22748/testcases and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases) the ones marked "for xubuntu" have been changed, is there anything that needs adding, removing or changing, also should i change the auto resize testcase?
[07:32] <noskcaj> anyone?
[07:34] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Short is what we basically go off of, but you may want to remember that it is midnight for several parts of the world (03:34 here) so responses will be slower. :P
[07:35] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: I think you better integrate the link with ALL your drafts:)
[07:38] <fmolinero> noskacj: It seems fine to me
[07:42] <noskcaj> my drafts are at https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B57km_mHQf74WV8wVS0tOVEwVmc and https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit
[07:42] <noskcaj> i will repost this tomorrow(australia(sydney time))
[11:31] <knome> hooray!
[11:32] <smartboyhw> knome: !?
[11:32] <knome> there's only one page in the new docs that isn't still up for review
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Oh which one?
[11:32] <knome> scanning
[11:33] <smartboyhw> How to review?
[11:34] <knome> you misunderstood.
[11:34] <smartboyhw> knome: I think the page is fine, though saying it is Xubuntu forums is a bit weird. 
[11:34] <knome> nobody has written that page and think it is ready for others to review
[11:35] <knome> smartboyhw, btw, i understood you're working on some docs for US too - how's that going? :)
[11:35] <smartboyhw> knome: Delayed till next week:)
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Due to stupid me learning kernels LOL
[11:35] <knome> aha, but otherwise it's fine?
[11:36] <knome> have you submitted that for others to review?
[11:36] <smartboyhw> knome: I have not even finished it:_
[11:36] <knome> yeah, but i still think it should be up so others can look at it
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Oh alright then. Let me finish the draft first, then it is time to add screenshots:)
[11:37] <knome> that's how the xubuntu docs review was organized; everything you did is always open to read, so others can improve
[11:37] <smartboyhw> knome: You said that there's no documentation lead, so I wanna recommend somebody (not me)
[11:37] <knome> it's not like you are writing the spec for the next iphone ;)
[11:37] <knome> for xubuntu?
[11:37] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:37] <smartboyhw> knome: Yes
[11:37] <knome> go ahead, but we probably need to postpone that for R, and first rethink if we need one
[11:38] <smartboyhw> knome: elfy would be my choice:
[11:38] <knome> ok, notes taken
[11:38] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:38] <knome> (not much else i can do now... ;))
[11:38] <smartboyhw> oK
[11:39] <smartboyhw> The scanning page
[11:39] <smartboyhw> Saying it is Xubuntu forums...Really weird. It is Ubuntu Forums
[11:39] <knome> you probably should have a scanner
[11:39] <smartboyhw> knome: Yes but only on my Dad's desktop
[11:48] <smartboyhw> knome: When is the documentation string freeze again?
[11:50] <knome> sep 20
[11:50] <smartboyhw> That's what, 12 days away?
[11:50] <knome> but new documentation needs to be ready before that so others have time to review and convert to docbook
[11:50] <knome> yes, less than two weeks
[11:52] <smartboyhw> knome: That's tight
[11:54] <knome> sure, but we had all the cycle to work on things
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Yay!
[12:40] <smartboyhw> knome: Can I PM?
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Oh he's away again
[12:45] <knome> smartboyhw, k
[12:45] <knome> jjfrv8, hey :)
[12:46] <jjfrv8> Hi.
[12:46] <knome> jjfrv8, i checked out many of the pages today
[12:46] <knome> jjfrv8, pretty much everything is ready now, or at least ready to be just reviewed
[12:47] <jjfrv8> knome, yes I see all of your changes. I was going to ask if there was anything you wanted me to check today.
[12:48] <knome> jjfrv8, if you have better time later, say in the beginning of next week, that's fine too, since converting to docbook along with other work and life is going to take most of my weekend :)
[12:48] <knome> jjfrv8, if you look at the startpage, you'll note i've added footnotes again
[12:49] <knome> jjfrv8, feel free to review any sections, naturally excluding those you have submitted for review yourelf :
[12:49] <knome> :)
[12:49] <jjfrv8> knome, yes, I saw the footnotes. I was going to at least review the app paths in section 3. And I should be available next week.
[12:50] <knome> ok, great
[12:50] <knome> elfy confirmed the section 3 is fine, and i think he also looked at the app paths
[12:50] <jjfrv8> knome, correction: I meant section 5.
[12:50] <knome> i will most probably recheck them when i convert to docbook
[12:51] <knome> and we will probably go through the docs one more time after it's converted, just to make sure that kind of things are correct
[12:51] <knome> but i haven't really thought that far yet...
[12:54] <bluesabre> Good morning everyone!  I just saw that Ubuntu is no longer aiming to fit on a CD.
[12:54] <knome> bluesabre, that's known... :))
[12:54] <bluesabre> I figured as much
[12:54] <knome> hehe
[12:54] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: Yes so? 
[12:54] <bluesabre> Are we still shooting for that goal?
[12:54] <knome> bluesabre, definitely.
[12:54] <bluesabre> Cool
[12:54] <smartboyhw> knome and bluesabre you mean to fit on a CD?
[12:55] <knome> smartboyhw, yes.
[12:55] <bluesabre> Yeah
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Well if Ubuntu Server can do it I think Xubuntu can do it too:)
[12:56] <bluesabre> So, what's up today in the world of xubuntu-devel?
[12:56] <knome> bluesabre, see the docs wiki...
[12:57] <smartboyhw> only 1 left for review bluesabre and it is the scanning part
[12:57] <knome> bluesabre, jjfrv8: http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout for detailed information on the situation :)
[12:57] <knome> smartboyhw, no, incorrect
[12:57] <knome> one more left to write
[12:57] <knome> there are several left to review
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Ah
[12:58] <bluesabre> Then I might have a look at the Scanning section then :)
[12:59] <smartboyhw> In the scanning page someone forgotten to delete Describe 12.10/Scanning here.  Oh no who will write it?
[13:00] <bluesabre> Haha
[13:00] <bluesabre> "For example, most parallel port scanners and Lexmark All-in-One printer/scanner/faxes are not supported."
[13:00] <bluesabre> I worked at lexmark for 6 months
[13:00] <knome> :]
[13:00] <bluesabre> Their linux support for consumer lines sucks
[13:00] <smartboyhw> ;{
[13:01] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: I think it is because they thought Windows and OS X are the kings. We need to change that:)
[13:01] <bluesabre> It's not that, they actually have Linux drivers
[13:01] <bluesabre> But they are written so poorly, it's not worth it.
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Oh
[13:05] <bluesabre> knome: I haven't been doing this, but should I be re-writing the sections underneath the "Describe 12.10/Scanning here."?
[13:05] <knome> bluesabre, the scanning page is still a wild west.
[13:06] <knome> bluesabre, so, if you are rewriting it, just see if everything of it is fine
[13:06] <bluesabre> Yeah, as far as I can tell everything looks fine.
[13:07] <SkippersBoss> afternoon
[13:07] <bluesabre> morning
[13:08] <knome> hey
[13:08] <bluesabre> :D
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Good evening SkippersBoss 
[13:08] <SkippersBoss> I hace installed a new build (Ithink) and noticed that system menu now only contains Gigolo IBus and Taskmanager
[13:09] <SkippersBoss> Is this correct ? Have the other entries been omitted  (User & Groups Time and Date) 
[13:09] <knome> SkippersBoss, look at the settings manager
[13:09] <jjfrv8> I just reviewed Network Connections page and noticed that Network Manager has also changed - some left-clicks now right-clicks in most recent build.
[13:10] <SkippersBoss> Ah. so those entries have to come out of the quick guide then
[13:10] <knome> jjfrv8, can you send an email telling you've changed it, and it's up for re-review :)
[13:10] <jjfrv8> K
[13:11] <SkippersBoss> ve been away one week and all hell breaks loose :-)
[13:15] <SkippersBoss> doc amended
[13:19] <bluesabre> knome, looks like scanning just needed minimal changes and updates :)
[13:19] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: I do agree
[13:19] <bluesabre> Done, mailing the ML now :)
[13:20] <knome> bluesabre, cheers
[13:25] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: Good mail:_)
[13:35]  * SkippersBoss needs to be somewhere else cu l8r 
[13:35] <knome> see you
[13:36] <smartboyhw> brb
[13:37] <knome> bluesabre, if you want to check it out, i just pushed a new commit to my do branch, it has now the section on keeping the computer safe plus some new fixes for appearance
[13:37] <bluesabre> cool, I'll do that now :)
[13:38] <bluesabre> knome: link please :)
[13:38] <knome> hehe
[13:38] <knome> bzr branch lp:~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs
[14:11] <bluesabre> knome: xubuntu-docs/build/migrating-upgrading.html
[14:11] <bluesabre> The tip under Windows applications on Linux is not in the box.
[14:12] <bluesabre> screenshot coming...
[14:12] <bluesabre> http://imagebin.org/227675
[14:13] <bluesabre> Actually, it looks like that happens with each of the tip boxes
[14:14] <bluesabre> At least with Google Chome 21.0.1180.89
[14:14] <bluesabre> Check FFox
[14:14] <bluesabre> Same with Firefox
[14:15] <knome> hmm, weird
[14:15] <knome> works well for me in ff
[14:15] <knome> will look at that later
[14:16] <bluesabre> ok
[14:16] <bluesabre> Other than that, looks good
[14:16] <bluesabre> The security section is a nice touch
[14:17] <knome> thanks :)
[14:17] <bluesabre> Woops, I lied.  Looks fine in Firefox
[14:17] <bluesabre> Chrome made itself default at some point
[14:17] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: lol
[14:18] <knome> bluesabre, :)
[18:45] <pjotr> Hello, I have a feature request. Or rather a request for disabling a feature.
[18:46] <pjotr> It concerns the mousewheel_rollup function for application windows. This causes confusion for people who are not so skilled with computers. They trigger the mousewheel_rollup unvoluntarily and can't understand what happened, nor how to undo it.
[18:46] <pjotr> I therefore make it a standard approach for installs of Xubuntu, to disable it in Settings Editor (xfwm4 - general - mousewheel_rollup: disable).
[18:46] <pjotr> But I think it would be much better, if the default would be "disabled". What do you think?
[18:52] <drc> hey bluesabre, how'd the membership meeting go?
[18:52] <bluesabre> Hey drc.  Looks like I still need more "sustained contribution", so I'll be trying again in a few months.
[18:53] <drc> opps, sorry...well at least they didn't say "Go away, you bother me" :)
[18:53] <bluesabre> Yeah, it could have been worse :D
[18:56] <Unit193> They wanted him to apply again later so they know he'll stick around, they had issues with that before.  He did enough work to get it. :D
[19:00] <bluesabre> It's only the beginning :D
[19:08] <Unit193> And that's great, you are good at it.  I'm still waiting to see how it turns out in the Lubu list, they were talking about catfish, but pretty sure the older one.
[19:31] <noskcaj>  hello everyone, i have changed the testcases on the iso tracker (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22748/testcases and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases) the ones marked "for xubuntu" have been changed, is there anything that needs adding, removing or changing, also should i change the auto resize testcase?
[19:31] <noskcaj> my drafts are at https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B57km_mHQf74WV8wVS0tOVEwVmc and https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit
[20:29] <pleia2> testing dailys and submitting bugs at our jam :)
[20:30] <drc> jam?
[20:30] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[20:30] <pleia2> happening this weekend
[20:30] <drc> and the daily still won't boot trough for me :(
[20:31] <pleia2> aw :(
[20:32] <drc> Yeah, I figure knome has it in for me.
[20:37] <knome> huhu? :P
[20:38] <drc> knome=project lead+daily!=work for me == vendetta :)
[20:39] <drc> Q.E.D, no?
[20:40] <knome> hah
[20:57] <knome> pleia2, still having problems with the testcases?
[20:58] <pleia2> no problems really, people just finding typos :)
[20:58] <knome> i can fix 'em...
[20:59] <pleia2> xubuntu only, or any?
[20:59] <knome> any
[21:01] <SkippersBoss> evening
[21:01] <knome> hullo
[21:01] <pleia2> haz pizza now
[21:01] <SkippersBoss> hullo 2u2
[21:02] <SkippersBoss> Sponsored ?
[21:02] <SkippersBoss> Some people have all the fun
[21:03] <SkippersBoss> do i need to do that XFburn doc or did someone else fix that
[21:03] <SkippersBoss> has
[21:08] <SkippersBoss> any one ?
[21:08] <knome> SkippersBoss, did you look if it's ok now or not?
[21:08] <SkippersBoss> throw the ball back at me :-)
[21:09] <knome> http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10
[21:09] <SkippersBoss> I removed the now obsolete entries
[21:09] <knome> i mean, all the pages are submitted for reviews
[21:09] <knome> pleia2, ^
[21:10] <knome> SkippersBoss, if you think any of those that are not bolded are ok to go, please send an email to the xubuntu-devel list stating which section is ok, and i'll check it out
[21:12] <SkippersBoss> knome am not qualified to do that. I have however now noticed that part of the quick guide has now been reproduced in a subsections which means my entries should be removed then
[21:12] <knome> SkippersBoss, what do you mean "not qualified"?
[21:13] <knome> SkippersBoss, if you can check if the application paths are correct, and generally it looks like it is readable and understandable, you are most definitely qualified
[21:14] <knome> SkippersBoss, that's the whole idea in peer review; somebody writes it and submits it for review, and others approve it
[21:15] <knome> SkippersBoss, and that also means less work for others (read: me), because i can let others review and i can just trust that they're doing it to their best knowledge
[21:15] <knome> SkippersBoss, we can always change the docs anyway...
[21:16] <SkippersBoss> Sorry didn't mean it that way
[21:17] <SkippersBoss> Just in  my absence a whole new set has appeared and it was unclear to me if my entry was actually adding something here 
[21:17] <SkippersBoss> But now i have looked at it again it makes more sence
[21:17] <knome> :)
[21:17] <knome> ok, good
[21:17] <knome> so anyway, if you think the sections are ok, send a mail to the mailing list, and i can check them out
[21:18] <knome> (mail because that way we can refer to the process later)
[21:21] <SkippersBoss> i get that
[21:23] <SkippersBoss> Can we refer to Kubuntu software in the Xubuntu docs ?
[21:25] <Sysi> it has downsides but no direct reason not to
[21:26] <pleia2> ooh abiword is pretty again (no black)
[21:27] <SkippersBoss> Has the ruler problem been sorted in abiword ? Also it doesn't render docx as well as libre
[21:28] <knome> no, hasn't been completely solved; it should be readable now though
[21:28] <knome> SkippersBoss, why would we refer to Kubuntu?
[21:28] <knome> i mean ok, if there's a reason, but what would that be?
[21:30] <Unit193> VLC though not KDE, is Qt.
[21:31] <SkippersBoss> Section on video editing refers to Kino and KDEnlive for vidio editing. Programs I associate with Kubuntu
[21:32] <knome> SkippersBoss, right. i don't think we should list too many applications that aren't installed by default, so i'd probably drop those
[21:32] <SkippersBoss> its not my section
[21:33] <knome> SkippersBoss, feel free to edit it. this is a collaborative effort
[21:34] <SkippersBoss> Sean has done the work here
[21:41] <knome> SkippersBoss, feel free to edit it
[21:41] <knome> was somebody working on the testcases?
[21:42] <knome> i see that we now have specific "entire disk" testcases for xubuntu
[21:42] <knome> i thought the idea was to keep the maintaining effort as small as possible, and this looks like we're just making it bigger
[21:42] <knome> is there really so big differences? i thought it was just the distro name and that
[21:47] <knome> pleia2, i've just added the short test as "post-installation tests (xubuntu)" in the QA tracker
[21:47] <knome> pleia2, if people are whining about a missing wikipage, please tell them it can be found on the QA tracker, and it's now a separate test
[21:47] <Unit193> < ~noskcaj>  hello everyone, i have changed the testcases on the iso tracker  (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22748/testcases and  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/22747/testcases) the ones marked "for xubuntu" have been changed, is there  anything that needs adding, removing or changing, also should i change the auto resize testcase
[21:47] <Unit193> < ~noskcaj> my drafts are at https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B57km_mHQf74WV8wVS0tOVEwVmc and  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZwZLrdmzNiFzR6ho6oSEEdhwmZ5lsc-YCGz0patXYw/edit
[21:48] <pleia2> knome: ok, thanks :)
[22:03] <pleia2> don't worry, we're only here for another hour ;)
[22:05] <knome> hehe
[22:10] <SkippersBoss> pleia2, can "moan" on the train home as well <d>
[23:11] <knome> ok, i'm off for now
[23:11] <knome> see you tomorrow :)
[23:20] <pnarciso> hey