[00:10] <erre> hello everyone
[00:12] <mattt> erre: hello
[00:12] <pinky-> hello erre
[00:13] <pinky-> Eddie Jordon on 'Inside F1' mentioned that Schumacher maynot retire but actually Rosberg might move to McLaren. <quite interesting
[00:13] <erre> how i can make a video buffer?
[00:15] <mattt> pinky-: F1 *yawn*
[00:15] <mattt> :P
[00:15] <pinky-> ok sorry:)
[00:16] <mattt> hehe
[00:16] <mattt> anyway, bed
[00:16] <mattt> enjoy the rest of your shift
[00:17] <pinky-> bye for now and sleep well
[00:47] <erre> how i can take a video of 10 sec before the trigger.. something like a buffer..
[00:52] <erre> someone here in this time?
[01:29] <ali1234> from a webcam?
[09:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:48] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> f1 again this afternoon!
[09:50] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:50] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: brobostigon weee ;)
[09:50] <SuperEngineer> vroom vrooms
[09:50] <SuperEngineer> [& howdy]
[09:51] <brobostigon> hi SuperEngineer
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> \o SuperEngineer
[09:51]  * SuperEngineer been busy putting rhythyBox into full use
[09:51] <SuperEngineer> o/
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Ripping your CDs eh
[09:52] <SuperEngineer> who... me???? that would be naughty
[09:52]  * MartijnVdS has 11k songs on 'random' atm :)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: ripping your own CDs to FLAC is not allowed now?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> or is that some weirdness in English copyright law?
[09:52]  * SuperEngineer giggles
[09:53] <SuperEngineer> ripping is ripping - you buy a Cd - you copy it as a backup is my theory
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> aanyway, I'm in .nl and ripping your personal collection to your own disk is definitely allowed here :)
[09:54] <SuperEngineer> I have also copied others peoples cds [purely as a favour to the other people - in case they use their original] ;)
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> naughty naughty
[09:55]  * SuperEngineer calls it "a service"
[09:55] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[09:57] <SuperEngineer> although [truth] I lent my sister a Muase Cd, lost mine in a car swap and got sent a copy of my sister's "backup"
[09:57] <SuperEngineer> ....see off site backup theory does work ;)
[09:58] <SuperEngineer> btw sub Muse for Muase
[10:00]  * MartijnVdS listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF_BapyZiqA
[10:11] <pinky-> youtubes top 100 this is at #13 and the only track so far I've liked => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY
[10:14]  * SuperEngineer listens to Jeff Buckley's Hallelujah... there are few that beat some voices
[10:23] <Wobbo> In EOG 3.4.2 does not work, no images visible. (Ubuntu 12.04 64, AMD).
[10:24] <Wobbo> Radar word, anyone?
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: does it show you any errors if you start it on the command-line?
[10:27] <Wobbo> You meen to start it threw the terminal?
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> yes, please
[10:29] <Wobbo> Nothing
[10:29] <Wobbo> Only that i can't stop EOG now...
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't have a red "x' in the top corner?
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> ctrl+c doesn't work?
[10:31] <Wobbo> Yes, there is the normal X.
[10:31] <popey> moo
[10:31] <popey> MartijnVdS, SuperEngineer ripping CDs in the UK is illegal, yes
[10:32] <ClaudeTheFascist> MartijnVdS: did you watch the match?
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ ClaudeTheFascist
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: weirdness!
[10:32] <popey> alwas has been
[10:33] <ClaudeTheFascist> MartijnVdS: vs Turkey.
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> ClaudeTheFascist: I don't follow most sports..
[10:33] <ClaudeTheFascist> But you are Dutch.
[10:34] <brobostigon> so, there are millions of people. who rip cd's with itunes or equivilant, to put on their mp3 players. wow.
[10:35] <brobostigon> you do wonder why there isnt a warning on said products.
[10:35] <pinky-> i wished flac s the norm
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: lots of music on bandcamp comes as FLAC
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: and lots of vinyl comes with download vouchers for FLACs
[10:36] <ClaudeTheFascist> pinky-: so we can waste 400MB per 12 tracks when 99% of people can't tell the difference from a 320kbps VBR MP3, because they don't have the ears or the equipment?
[10:36] <Wobbo> Ok, computer stuk.
[10:36] <pinky-> oh ic
[10:36] <pinky-> good point
[10:37] <SuperEngineer> popey: apparently - so is theft... but looking at UK banks record on theft....   ;)
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: still, lots of good bands on bandcamp ;)
[10:37] <pinky-> I have good equipment so maybe I'm on my own
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: nah you won't hear the difference either
[10:37] <ClaudeTheFascist> Anybody who says they can tell the difference between a FLAC file and a ~256kbps MP3 and doesn't have expensive amps and headphones/speakers is a goddamn lying commie.
[10:37] <pinky-> flac sounds "cleaner" on my system
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> but storing on your PC as FLAC to later transcode to AAC/MP3 for an mp3 player will give you higher quality than transcoding mp3s to lower-res
[10:38] <Wobbo> How to remove the EOG setting. Can that help?
[10:38] <ClaudeTheFascist> Yeah, just like vinyl sounds "warmer".
[10:38] <ClaudeTheFascist> Both are ridiculous and untrue.
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> it sounds hissier :)
[10:38] <pinky-> in flac sounds are sharper
[10:38] <pinky-> well to me anyways
[10:38] <ClaudeTheFascist> Yeah, because it's an ancient technology made obsolete 20 years ago.
[10:38] <ClaudeTheFascist> We should start watching movies on VHS because the pictures look warmer.
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> ClaudeTheFascist: also, gives you time to make tea while the tape rewinds
[10:39] <ClaudeTheFascist> I have a servant to do that for me.
[10:41] <SuperEngineer> ClaudeTheFascist: I had a nail clipper once - left the job saying too demeaning !
[10:42] <SuperEngineer> [& muttering something about a cup of tea is not a working wage!]
[10:45] <pinky-> I have a 140watt sub-woofer on my pc speaker setup and in flac it really whips a llama
[10:46]  * SuperEngineer wonders if sucking the sound track from legally downloaded mp4 to an mp3 is also illegal... bet it is
[10:47]  * SuperEngineer looks for a place to hide after being so naughty... ooo, pubs open - they'll never think of looking for me there
[10:47] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: we don't have any legal provision for format changes/backup of stuff you have purchased
[10:47] <SuperEngineer> see yooz all later folks
[10:48]  * SuperEngineer stops running to look at AlanBell's answer
[10:48] <AlanBell> the property analogy only applies to the industry, not to consumers
[10:48] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: yuk!
[10:49] <SuperEngineer> let me guess.. we don't buy the cd - only the license to use it
[10:49] <AlanBell> even time shifting is a grey area, like recording the archers to tape to listen to later, or using a sky+ box
[10:49] <AlanBell> you bought the CD, but not the data on it
[10:49] <AlanBell> it is messy
[10:50] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: I remeber - in the days of VHS - you were counted as illegal if watched after x number of days from transmission even
[10:50] <pinky-> like this weeks story about bruce willis wanted to give his itunes collection to his children when he dies and Apple have said no
[10:50] <AlanBell> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-other/c-exception/c-exception-timeshift.htm you can time shift in your house, but not listen to it in the car!
[10:50] <pinky-> he's only renting them till he dies
[10:51] <pinky-> even though he has spent $40,000
[10:51] <pinky-> umm I think it was willis??
[10:52] <AlanBell> yes, that is very complicated
[10:53] <AlanBell> add in multiple countries and inheritance of property and tax etc it gets really complicated
[10:53] <SuperEngineer> ah - but what if you come from another planet?
[10:54] <SuperEngineer> [like what I does] ;)
[10:54] <pinky-> rich and powerful ones
[10:56]  * SuperEngineer thinks of becoming a bounty hunter - bust anyone with am mp3 player on their belt & claim reward!
[10:57] <erre> when i tryid to capture my camera with 2 FFMPEG command on 2 terminals.. one FFMPEG work grate and get the video, but the other get this error/dev/video0: Input/output error
[10:58]  * SuperEngineer sneaks off to have a pint [before the blue lights arrive!]
[11:00] <erre> someone? something?
[11:00] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: if it occurs on the international space station then it is defined in article 21 of the intergovernmental agreement that the law of the country you come from applies
[11:01] <AlanBell> erre: so one command has the camera, the other can't get it because it is already grabbed I guess
[11:01] <AlanBell> what are you really trying to do?
[11:05] <pinky-> I've heard of cam utils that allow you to use one stream into many applications at once but never one that handles 2 cams at once, so I'm useless
[11:05] <erre> AlanBell: i'm trting to do is to take a video of lightning
[11:06] <AlanBell> so why do you want to capture it with two ffmpeg commands?
[11:06] <pinky-> front and back view? :))
[11:08] <erre> AlanBell: i get the "trigger" only when the lightning is super bright, and I'm want to catch the creation..
[11:09] <AlanBell> aah, right, this is the 10 second buffer question :)
[11:09] <erre> AlanBell: yes!
[11:09] <AlanBell> use a separate rubbish camera for the trigger
[11:09] <AlanBell> and capture it with the decent one
[11:11] <AlanBell> do you have a high frame rate camera for the main capture?
[11:11] <erre> is very expensive high speed camera and capture card that i will rent..
[11:12] <AlanBell> nice, but a cheap and nasty USB webcam should be sufficient to get the trigger signal
[11:15] <AlanBell> and that can be a low resolution capture with the max framerate it will do so you don't have a high bandwidth signal to monitor for the flash
[11:15] <erre> how i can get the trigger with cheap usb camera.. now i have a sensor that send me when i get a strike.. and in this time i need the video of "10 sec before"
[11:15] <ClaudeTheFascist> AlanBell: format shifting was legalised as part of the Digital Economy Act.
[11:17] <ClaudeTheFascist> But in reality, the CPS isn't going to prosecute you for format shifting regardless of the supposed legal ambiguity - and nobody will bring a private criminal or a civil prosecution because it'd set a precedent in favour of format shifting.
[11:19] <erre> i think the "/dev/video0" get locked.. there is a way to duplicate it..
[11:19] <AlanBell> indeed, it isn't going to happen, but I thought format shifting didn't make the cut for the DE act, it was an amendment they said no to
[11:19] <AlanBell> erre: indeed, but an additional camera would be /dev/video1
[11:23] <erre> additional camera  =  one more camera high speed camera = more money...
[11:23] <AlanBell> why does it need to be high speed?
[11:25] <AlanBell> 30 frames/second should be fine, it will get the flash time to within 33ms or so and it is a 10 second window you want to grab
[11:26] <erre> AlanBell: to see how the lightning was created..
[11:26] <AlanBell> sure, which you see from the good camera
[11:27] <erre> i think in 1200 FPS i get it more clearly..
[11:27] <AlanBell> so you are writing the 1200fps camera data to a circular buffer right?
[11:27] <erre> this is what i want to do
[11:28] <AlanBell> when the crappy webcam sees the flash you store the buffer from the good camera
[11:28] <erre> i have an antena for the trigger..
[11:29] <AlanBell> oh, you are not getting the trigger from the camera?
[11:29] <erre> it much faster then a webcam..
[11:29] <AlanBell> ok, so back to the two ffmpeg commands, why two of them (I thought one of them was streaming to something looking for a big flash)
[11:33] <erre> AlanBell: the antenna get the spike from the lightning. and in this point the lightning is at the end  (you see long spark cross the sky)
[11:34] <erre> i want to take a video of the starting and the creation of the lightning
[11:36] <AlanBell> yes, I see that
[11:36] <AlanBell> so with the two ffmpeg commands were you planning to alternately capture 10 second blocks or something?
[11:36] <erre> because i dont want to lose frames.. i think to take 1 min video every 30 sec..
[11:37] <erre> or if i could have to  do sumting like a buffer...
[11:37] <AlanBell> right, so you were doing that to emulate a circular buffer, I see now
[11:38] <erre> AlanBell: Yes!
[11:38] <Wobbo> Is there a simple whey to install the latest AMD driver? A .dev?
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: why would you want to?
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> or, "which problem are you trying to solve?"
[11:39] <Wobbo> it has a problems
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> So use the free driver?
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> AMDs own drivers are poo
[11:40] <Wobbo> EOG
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: that's unlikely to be a video driver problem
[11:40] <Wobbo> and gnome-system-monitor
[11:41] <erre> AlanBell: yes - it is a circular buffer - this is what i trying to do..
[11:42] <AlanBell> erre: well there are things like gspy and zoneminder that are security camera tools that do triggered reverse capture
[11:42] <AlanBell> and the openCV library would allow you to put something together in python or other language
[11:43] <AlanBell> not entirely sure all those would cope with the framerate
[11:43] <AlanBell> it is a cool project
[11:43] <erre> i tried zoneminder.. now work good..
[11:44] <erre> this is my hobby..
[11:44] <erre> expensive hobby :(
[11:47] <Wobbo> EOG isn’t a video thing right?
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: it's an image viewer
[11:49] <erre> relaxed: i think i need to do something like "Circular Buffer"
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> you'll probably have to write a bit of code to do that
[11:50] <Wobbo> Ok, it is a 3D ding, sinds i am using Ubuntu classic (3D), 3x 1080*1920 (to get 3240*1920).
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: ah, it might be a problem with that huge resolution
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> try to imagine the number of pixels that GPU is pushing..
[11:52] <popey> could you not stream the video via multicast using vlc
[11:53] <popey> and then have multiple overlapping mplayer -dumpstream processes connected to it
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> mmap() a file, loop: read bytes from the camera (memmove everything 1 block "to the front", overwriting the first block), put newly read bytes at the end of the mmap()ed space
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> when trigger is received: close files, done!
[12:03] <kaushal> Hi
[12:04] <kaushal> why a message is not accepted as a HTML format instead of plain text?
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> where?
[12:04] <kaushal> in Mailing List
[12:04] <kaushal> Any specific reason?
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> several I can think of:
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> - HTML mails are larger -> more traffic/storage for mailinglist server
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> - HTML is not necessary: discussion = text
[12:05] <AlanBell> there is a mailman setting to reject html or not
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> - HTML parsers are notably full of security holes, so HTML mail is potentially less secure
[12:06] <kaushal> ok
[12:06] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks and that answers my question
[12:13] <Wobbo> So, WoW works on 3 screen but EOG not... LoL
[12:15] <Wobbo> Bye bye
[13:02] <SuperEngineer> re the /topic "You don't have to start with "d" to be here, but it helps" = discriminatory?
[13:03] <MartijnVdS>  /topic
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> "dumb"? :)
[13:03] <SuperEngineer> "dinlo" ? ;)
[13:03] <SuperEngineer> [west country insult]
[13:04]  * SuperEngineer prepares for a channel kick ;)
[13:06]  * SuperEngineer prepares for a Chanel kick - smells so much better;)
[13:11] <SuperEngineer> yea gads - just seen the new topic!  :D
[13:13] <SuperEngineer> ...someone is being very naughty - please tell me that wasn't caused by my topic bit
[13:13] <penguin42> ?
[13:14] <SuperEngineer> my channel topic says "You don't have to start with "d" "dinlo"?to be here, but it helps "
[13:14]  * penguin42 doesn't have the "dinlo"? in it
[13:14]  * popey wonders what SuperEngineer is babbling about
[13:14] <dwatkins> can anyone see the new Doctor Who episode on iPlayer yet?
[13:14] <dogmatic69> does anyone know how to make mysqls LOAD DATA INFILE work with non root files?
[13:15] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: my display does
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: /topic
[13:15] <popey> no mention of dinlo here
[13:15] <popey> * Topic for #ubuntu-uk is: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | You don't have to start with "d" to be here, but it helps | Global Jam soon!
[13:15] <popey> * Topic for #ubuntu-uk set by AlanBell!~alan@ubuntu/member/alanbell at Wed Aug 22 11:29:12 2012
[13:15] <SuperEngineer> popey: thank god for that
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> he's trying to figure out what "d" means
[13:16] <popey> dunno, ask AlanBell
[13:16]  * SuperEngineer thinks if noone sees the altered topic - bug time!
[13:18] <SuperEngineer> ...as in part of a comment made included [/topic] & it suddenly changed to include the comment
[13:19] <penguin42> can you repeat it?
[13:20] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: not even going to try to repeat it in view of popey comment "babbling"
[13:21] <SuperEngineer> irc logs will show what was typed - let others try
[13:23]  * SuperEngineer goes back to playing with lego and pretends to be a cat
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[13:30] <SuperEngineer> ooo- no bug afterall, just wrong behaviour... you accidentally hit <insert> after a copy & paste [of the topic]... Xchat left focus on topic bar as well as input box
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> ah
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> xchat is the problem ;)
[13:52] <Unnheulu> o
[13:52] <Unnheulu> Erm
[13:53] <Unnheulu> Sorry, thought I was still on a different dialogue
[14:19] <popey> saw this and thought of directhex and ikonia http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crystal-Pepsi-Un-Opened-2-Liter-New-Citrus-taste-1994-Rare-/350568285048?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1924836018044305437%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26
[14:19] <bigcalm_xoom> Hi peeps :)
[14:19] <popey> hello
[14:20] <penguin42> popey: Would they drink it?
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: nah, he just thinks of directhex and ikonia all the time :P
[14:23] <bigcalm_xoom> That's so sweet
[14:27] <popey> they are fans of cola
[14:32] <bigcalm_xoom> With svn, one could checkout a sub dir of a repo. Why can't I do that with git?
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_xoom: because git stores the entire tree as one thing
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> and branches are implemented at a "metadata" level, not as copies of the tree
[14:40] <bigcalm_xoom> Ho humm
[14:40] <bigcalm_xoom> The price paid for a smaller footprint
[14:40] <bigcalm_xoom> Ta
[15:30] <penguin42> oh that was what the D was for....
[15:37] <bigcalm_xoom> Gah, haven't watched it yet
[15:37] <bigcalm_xoom> Will do so tonight I hope
[15:38]  * popey watched it with sophie
[15:39] <popey> will probably watch again
[15:43] <bigcalm_xoom> Sounds like an amazon review
[15:43] <bigcalm_xoom> s/amazon/ebay/
[15:45] <czajkowski> it was very good
[15:45] <czajkowski> I'd like rorys dad in it again he was rather fun
[15:45] <bigcalm_xoom> Time for me to ignore the channel
[15:47] <jacobw> hi
[15:50] <popey> heh
[15:51] <popey> no spoilers!
[15:51] <czajkowski> well the dr. waves and waggles his screwdiver, the box goes whoooosh whooosh weeee and there are explosions and runnning and the dr has a dicky bow
[15:52] <hamitron> this digital age has really messed up people being able to talk about stuff.... everyone watches stuff at different times, whenever it is best for them
[15:53]  * hamitron is always behind with viewing stuff too
[15:53] <czajkowski> aye I went home after the jam yesterday and watched it on bbc iplayer when my pizza arrived
[15:53] <penguin42> yeh I need holidays just to keep up with my pvr
[15:53] <hamitron> penguin42: sounds about right
[15:53] <hamitron> :)
[15:54] <hamitron> we have 5 adults in the house, and 1 pvr....
[15:54] <hamitron> the queue to watch "their stuff" is rather tense
[15:57] <hamitron> better get ready to get to pub for F1 highlights
[15:57] <hamitron> laters o/
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> don't won't to spoil anything but...The Doctor wears a dress in this episode, Pond is a Lake, someone runs into the trardis and actually phones the police... oh yea - & the daleks are cute little teddy bears who went to a bad dentist.  Hope I didn't spoil the plot too much.
[16:05] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: you just made me think of http://www.suck.uk.com/products/teddybearlamp/?search=tedd
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: with an address like that - no need to go see ;)
[16:07] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: No, it's perfectly safe - it's just a cuddly light
[16:08] <penguin42> those guys do wonderful designs
[16:08] <AlanBell> popey sophie and sam are on bbc1 now
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> is popey the one eating the flowers?
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> ooo- a cute liddle real life teddy bear
[16:11] <penguin42> minus it's head
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:12] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I imagine there's a warehouse somewhere with thousands of disembodied teddy heads looking at each other
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> thought the F1 had started early for a mo - but no, it's a eild life prog... or "live from the pit lane" action
[16:13] <SuperEngineer> *wild
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> Pendulum: I imagine there's a warehouse somewhere with thousands of decapitated teddy torsoes wishing they could be looking at each other
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: : I imagine there's a warehouse somewhere with thousands of decapitated teddy torsoes wishing they could be looking at each other
[16:19] <SuperEngineer> count down now at F1 minus 11,  Olympics close minus 101
[16:19] <SuperEngineer> [though technically that's Paralympics close]
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> vroom vroom
[17:38] <Azelphur> http://splicd.com/hOX_CJVh2uA/8/21 this amuses me \o/
[17:40]  * penguin42 thinks a bit about reducing his mouse usage - I'm starting to get an ache in my mousing finger
[17:42]  * penguin42 wonders if there is anyway of selecting that link in pidgin without clicking
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it probably involves "tab"
[17:43] <penguin42> nope, tab doesn't do anything
[17:53] <penguin42> hmm - I can activate numeric keypad pointer keys (shift+numlock) after finding the magic option in KDE
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> RaycisCharles: Can you please stick to one name?
[18:16] <spadders> Hi guys, need some help and advice
[18:16] <spadders> I've just tried an install of ubuntu on a acer laptop that had a hooky copy of win 7 on
[18:17] <spadders> all went well, install went without issue
[18:17] <spadders> laptop booted and appeared fine
[18:17] <spadders> then, I decided to just make sure everything was working, went on youtube and it froze up
[18:18] <spadders> black screen with loads of text, mouse frozen and keyboard inoperable
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> what kind of text?
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> can you take a screenshot (or a photo of the screen, if that's impossible)
[18:19] <spadders> 1 sec and I can get it up again
[18:20] <spadders> I tried using dban to wipe and start again, but the same thing happened
[18:20] <spadders> I hope I haven't compounded things
[18:21] <spadders> how do I post a photo on here?
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> what's dban?
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> just put it on something like imgur.com
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> and give us the link
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> or imagebing
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> imagebin
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[18:23] <spadders> dban - darik's boot & nuke http://www.dban.org/
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> never heard of it
[18:24] <spadders> oh, that doesn't sound good
[18:24] <spadders> there seemed to be a lot of people recommending it
[18:24] <ali1234> why would you even do that when the installer has a format option?
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> exactly.. what ali1234 said :)
[18:24] <spadders> unfortunately, I'm not at all familiar with ubuntu really
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> no problem :) We're here to help
[18:25] <spadders> I was trying to help out a friend who had bought a laptop with a hooky version of win7 that was playing up badly
[18:25] <spadders> ubuntu seemed to be the answer to her problems
[18:26] <spadders> thank you, it looks like I need it
[18:26] <ali1234> "playing up badly"
[18:26] <ali1234> like crashing?
[18:26] <ali1234> sounds like it is a hardware fault to me
[18:26] <spadders> ok, i have rebooted and am at the "try" or "Install" screen
[18:27] <spadders> was very unstable, slow, and the constant " you may be a victim of software piracy etc" messages
[18:28] <spadders> I have wondered if it could be a hdd fault, but am not familiar with the ubuntu error messages
[18:28] <spadders> not really sure what I'm looking at
[18:28] <spadders> shall I run from the CD?
[18:29] <ali1234> well if you don;t tell us what it says we can't help you
[18:29] <spadders> ok, I'll run from CD
[18:34] <spadders> I've had to reboot again, froze up halfway through the boot from cd process, just got the pink screen and cursor
[18:39] <spadders> can you guys talk me through formatting, and I'll try a re-install?
[18:39] <spadders> i have the desktop up
[18:44] <spadders> Martin, can you talk me through a format & re-install?
[18:50] <spadders> ok guys, do I want "erase disk & install ubuntu" or "something else"
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> spadders: do you want to keep anything else on the disk?
[18:51] <spadders> will the "erase disk" option remove any partitions that may have existed under windows?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> like a backup, or Windows/rescue partition?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> If you do, don't choose "Wipe disk and install Ubuntu"
[18:51] <spadders> no, it's fine to wipe everything
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> ok, you can select "Erase disk" then
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> it'll remove EVERYTHING
[18:53] <spadders> there's nothing that needs saving
[19:14] <spadders> install has completed
[19:14] <spadders> rebooting
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:19] <bigcalm> Evenin' peeps :)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[19:19] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[19:19] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ello
[19:19] <spadders> ok, desktop is up, so far so good
[19:19] <BigRedS> czajkowski: I'm mid-upgrade on IRC on tty1 :)
[19:19] <bigcalm> Howdy :)
[19:19] <czajkowski> LOL
[19:20] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, might be searching for all your bugs in the irclogs soon :)
[19:21] <czajkowski> hahah
[19:21] <czajkowski> yeah the upgrade process was not smooth
[19:21] <czajkowski> which is rather irritating
[19:22] <BigRedS> yeah
[19:22] <BigRedS> I also don't like do-releas-upgrade's thing where it only checks for an LTS by default
[19:22] <BigRedS> will report a bug there when I have a browser again... :/
[19:22] <spadders> I had the problem last time when watching video clips on youtube
[19:23] <spadders> shall I try it again?
[19:23] <BigRedS> which problem?
[19:24] <spadders> crashed when watching clips on youtube, immediately after a fresh install going from a hooky win 7
[19:25] <BigRedS> well, worth a try I suppose, you've just reinstalled haven't you?
[19:25] <spadders> I guess I should try it anyway to see if it works now
[19:25] <spadders> yes
[19:25] <BigRedS> Might need to install flash unless you're on the html5 youtube
[19:25] <spadders> ah, ok
[19:26] <spadders> er, how do i check that, sorry
[19:26] <BigRedS> try to watch a viewo on youtube and see what happens :)
[19:26] <jacobw> Right click on the video and see if it's a Flash menu or a Firefox menu
[19:28] <spadders> well, i'm in firefox
[19:28] <spadders> when i right click, bottom of the list is about flash player
[19:28] <spadders> it's playing at the moment
[19:28] <jacobw> Firefox is using the Flash plugin then
[19:29] <spadders> but it did yesterday too
[19:29] <xnox> BigRedS: there was a block post about it.
[19:29] <spadders> then at the end of the video, I got a kind of dos screen, with a massive list on it, and it was frozen
[19:30] <jacobw> See if it crashes again, sometimes when Firefox is upgraded as it's running, plugins misbehave.
[19:30] <spadders> what can i do if it happens again?
[19:30] <ali1234> take a picture of the screen and post it
[19:31] <czajkowski> xnox: oh dear
[19:31] <jacobw> Er, how are we killing the X server now that we're not Zapping it
[19:31] <popey> jacobw, why do you want to kill x?
[19:32] <popey> jacobw, also, CTRL+ALT+F1, login, "sudo service lightdm restart"
[19:32] <jacobw> popey: see spadders question, unresponsive X
[19:32] <popey> i haven't seen all of spadders issue, just arrived
[19:32] <jacobw> popey: np
[19:32] <popey> reaq up irc logs but it's not caught up yet
[19:33] <jacobw> spadders: as popey says, the display is managed by 'lightdm' in 12.04, which you can restart from the command line
[19:33] <popey> ali1234, bug 1030516
[19:33] <BigRedS> xnox: a blog post? I've seen that, but it's still Bad that it says "no release found" rather than, say, "no LTS release found"
[19:34] <popey> ali1234, i just had my machine lock up for ~hours doing a 4GB dd, just rebooted, switched to deadline scheduler and it finished in a few minutes when i re-did the same DD
[19:34] <jacobw> spadders: pressing ctrl+alt+f1 will get you a terminal, ctrl+alt+f7 will get you back to lightdm/Unity
[19:34] <popey> and machine was mostly responsive throughout
[19:34] <jacobw> what's the deadline scheduler?
[19:34] <spadders> ah, ok, not hte old ctrl alt del then
[19:35] <spadders> I'm a complete novice with ubuntu
[19:35] <xnox> BigRedS: good point.
[19:36] <popey> ali1234, 4000317440 bytes (4.0 GB) copied, 288.934 s, 13.8 MB/s
[19:36] <ali1234> so how do i switch scheduler?
[19:36] <jacobw> spadders: in Linux, the X server runs the GUI, it runs a on a virtual terminal, which is just a screenful of things, virtual terminals 1 to 6 are just command lines, and virtual terminal 7 is where the X server attaches in Ubuntu
[19:36] <popey> see andy smiths comment in the bug
[19:36] <popey> number #10
[19:36] <popey> er 9
[19:37] <popey> although I still have my disk light on permanently some minutes after it finished, not quite sure what the hell it's doing
[19:37] <ali1234> i wonder if changing that would stop swap activity from completely halting the machine
[19:37] <ali1234> it's writing cache
[19:37] <popey> no usb activity
[19:38] <ali1234> it's writing cacheed HD data that built up while it was doing the read operation
[19:38] <popey> by the time my "apt-get install iotop" finsishes, it will have done that :)
[19:40] <popey> 23% io wait for some time
[19:41] <spadders> jacobw : have watched half a dozen clips and so far seems ok
[19:42] <ali1234> for large dd the noop scheduler sounds like it would be the best
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> I've switched to noop for my SSDs
[19:43] <jacobw> spadders: cool :)
[19:43] <spadders> So what is the process if it happens again?
[19:43] <spadders> ctrl alt f7?
[19:45] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, what're the current favourite SSDs? I think my laptop disk is failing...
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> I like my Intel
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> but I only have Intel
[19:45] <BigRedS> spadders: ctrl-alt-f1, restart lightdm, ctrl-alt-f7
[19:46] <BigRedS> If 'it' is what I think it is
[19:46] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I don't need any brilliant performance, just for it to not fail too quickly :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: hence, Intel ;)
[19:47] <jacobw> spadders: ctrl+alt+f1, log in, `sudo service lightdm restart`, ctrl+alt+f7
[19:48] <spadders> Great, thanks guys
[19:57] <BigRedS> " Software Updater must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers. " according to launchpad
[19:58] <BigRedS> is that something I need to do? I guess not, but then why is it telling me that?
[20:20] <popey> http://imgur.com/nKC9w
[20:20] <Azelphur> haha
[20:23] <BigRedS> haha
[20:29] <Dave2> haha
[20:29] <n1md4> Any one have experience with IR remotes, specifically with MythTV?
[20:29] <Dave2> you broke it :(
[20:30]  * n1md4 checks for trolls, none seen.
[20:31] <n1md4> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1210beta_desktops&num=1 what's the general concensus with Unity?
[20:31] <BigRedS> It's awesome
[20:31] <n1md4> *cough* Gnome3 fanboi!
[20:32] <BigRedS> I'm in Unity now..
[20:33] <BigRedS> czajkowski: did your window management just come back, or do I need to restart something to get my alt-tab back?
[20:33] <czajkowski> ahhh you got that too!
[20:33] <czajkowski> and you mocked me
[20:33] <spadders> Jacobw : It's just frozen as before, completely unresponsive
[20:34] <czajkowski> I exited the terminal so then I could alt f4 thunderbird
[20:34] <n1md4> BigRedS: This is the awesome of Unity, by chance ? :P
[20:34] <czajkowski> then I finally could see the upgrade window which was handy
[20:34] <czajkowski> so watching tty1 when it wasn't updating I knew that I was being asked something on the gui
[20:34] <BigRedS> n1md4: nah, it's the awesomeness of upgrading to a beta :)
[20:34] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm upgrading in a terminal I can see
[20:35] <n1md4> BigRedS: Denier!  I've heard the swearing ;)
[20:35]  * n1md4 cuts out the noise!
[20:35] <popey> BigRedS, you using staging or not/
[20:36] <BigRedS> staging? I just did do-release-upgrade -d
[20:36] <czajkowski> popey: same thing happened me yesterday
[20:36] <popey> ah okay
[20:36] <popey> czajkowski, what thing?
[20:37] <czajkowski> all my window managment went when doing the upgradeso had to go to tty1 to continue
[20:37] <popey> fun :)
[20:38] <czajkowski> yeah that was definately one of the words I said yesterday
[20:39] <BigRedS> but, yeah, did it eventually all just come back by itself?
[20:40] <czajkowski> BigRedS: had to do a restart when it was all over so it went back to normal
[20:40] <spadders> System has frozen up again, here is a screenshot  http://imagebin.org/227814
[20:40] <czajkowski> and then queue my 6 bugs :)
[20:40]  * brobostigon plays ELO, and parties out.
[20:40] <BigRedS> ahh
[20:41] <popey> yay, kernel panic
[20:41] <brobostigon> :(
[20:41] <czajkowski> including compiz telepathy and gwibber
[20:41] <czajkowski> plus power icon >:( no worky
[20:41] <BigRedS> you need to stop using that crazy weird hardware
[20:42] <czajkowski> BigRedS: but it's so pretty
[20:42] <czajkowski> and light!
[20:42] <czajkowski> lite
[20:42] <czajkowski> doesn't weight much :)
[20:42] <n1md4> Oooo what crazy weird hardware?
[20:42] <BigRedS> actually, yeah, the weight of it is brilliant
[20:42] <BigRedS> it's a macbook air wannabe :)
[20:42]  * n1md4 vomits!
[20:43] <n1md4> Sorry :P
[20:43] <n1md4> I actually REALLY like Apple hardware, shame it's so bloody hard to get in to though!
[20:43] <spadders> anyone?
[20:44] <BigRedS> spadders: it's a kernel panic
[20:44] <n1md4> spadders: Kernel panic
[20:44] <BigRedS> you'll need to reboot
[20:44] <czajkowski> it's a toshbia
[20:44] <BigRedS> it's not something easy to diagnose normally, but it is something that happens from time to time (though rarely)
[20:45] <n1md4> czajkowski: Nice!  I like Toshiba.
[20:45] <spadders> ok, is there anything I can do to stop it happening
[20:45] <n1md4> (not that my liking has any weight)
[20:45] <n1md4> spadders: Does it keep happening?
[20:45] <spadders> yes
[20:45] <n1md4> might be a bad memory stick?
[20:45] <spadders> installed yesterday (previously win 7 )
[20:46] <n1md4> Assuming you're not running any funky customisations.
[20:46] <n1md4> Hmmm
[20:46] <spadders> happened every time I boot if I watch video
[20:46] <BigRedS> Ooh, it's finished!
[20:47] <n1md4> If it's easy to remove memory, I'd try that; one stick at a time.
[20:47] <n1md4> Eliminate that problem
[20:47] <marsilainen> n1md4: I switched from unity to gnome shell (on ubuntu 12.04) around 2 months ago... best decision I ever made
[20:48] <marsilainen> on the 2 desktops I use regularly I've found gnome shell to be more stable and better usability
[20:48] <marsilainen> YMMV
[20:48] <spadders> has just run for about an hour, running vid non stop
[20:49] <spadders> yesterday, before I did a reinstall, was crashing within 30 seconds
[20:49] <spadders> (of running video)
[20:50] <spadders> it's a bog standard acer laptop, celeron 1.7
[20:50] <spadders> 2gb ram
[20:50] <n1md4> marsilainen: to be fair, I'd not given unity a 'fair' trial, I did try!  I just couldn't stick with it.  Being stuck somewhere between gnome 3 and mac OS.  It should be personal preference, but I was suprised to see the performance hit.  My friend at work uses unity, it looks sluggish.
[20:51] <n1md4> spadders: you could try a live CD, try the video again.  If it still crashes, you will know that at least it's not the harddrive.
[20:51] <n1md4> I'd also check dmesg too.
[20:52] <popey> spadders, boot from a live cd and use memory test tool on it
[20:52] <popey> leave it running overnight
[20:52] <spadders> Ah, ok, that's def wortha try
[20:52] <marsilainen> n1md4: I used unity for around 9 months (all of 11.10 plus a few months in 12.04) but I have to say having switched to gnome shell I find it to be far better in performance, stability & usability
[20:52] <czajkowski> n1md4: each to their own , it runs very fast on my machine here
[20:52] <popey> boot menu has memtest on it
[20:52] <n1md4> by the way, spadders, how are you attempting video playback? (which player?)
[20:52] <czajkowski> and I've not seen any hinderance to my work
[20:52] <spadders> leave it running idle?
[20:52] <popey> just boot the cd, choose memtest, leave it alone
[20:53] <popey> its pretty obvious when you have an error
[20:53] <n1md4> czajkowski: yes, of course, an alternative could be running faster, is all that review is saying.
[20:53] <spadders> I was watching video on youtube, so I assume Flash
[20:53] <popey> n1md4, speed isn't the only factor
[20:53] <marsilainen> n1md4: I'm struggling to find what advantage anyone sees in unity over gnome shell?
[20:53] <n1md4> popey: quite right.
[20:53] <marsilainen> popey: so what would you say are the advantages of unity over gnome shell?
[20:53] <popey> i find unity easy to use
[20:54] <marsilainen> I agree speed isn't the only factor - just can't say that I find any advantage in unity
[20:54] <marsilainen> example?
[20:54] <n1md4> popey: out of interest, have you tried gnome 3?
[20:54] <popey> i have tried gnome shell, yes
[20:54] <n1md4> popey: :)
[20:54] <marsilainen> I'm really not sure what is easier in unity than gnome shell?
[20:55] <popey> i dont really feel the need to justify the desktop I'm using
[20:55] <popey> if you like GS, keep using it
[20:55] <n1md4> Ease of use is where personal preference wades in.
[20:55] <marsilainen> I'm no gnome shell fanboi - I just want to use which suits best - and I just haven't found any disadvantage in gnome shell
[20:55] <BigRedS> Aw, are we doing this again?
[20:55] <marsilainen> fair enough
[20:55] <popey> nope, we're not
[20:55] <BigRedS> haha, I thought you'd say that :)
[20:55] <marsilainen> sorry, wasn't trying to start an argument... was just interested if I'd missed something in unity really
[20:56] <n1md4> BigRedS: It was totally my fault, I'll know you'll find that hard to believe :P
[20:56] <marsilainen> I think if I was to make one suggestion for unity it would be to embrace the idea of creating extra workspaces on-the-fly as you need them the way that GS does - I find that to be a very usable mechanism
[20:57] <BigRedS> marsilainen: haha, that's the bit of Gnome3 that finally convinced me that they were all drunk
[20:57] <marsilainen> :/
[20:57] <BigRedS> n1md4: tsk tsk
[20:57] <popey> as I understand it the plan is to remove workspaces by default
[20:57] <n1md4> No takers for IR though :\
[20:58] <BigRedS> (not the making so much as the sudden disappearance of them when they're empty)
[20:58] <marsilainen> popey: in unity?
[20:58] <popey> yes
[20:58] <marsilainen> ok, fair enough...
[20:58] <popey> n1md4, i use a boxee remote, not irda
[20:58] <popey> i have used an irda remote, but don't now
[20:58] <n1md4> ah, what's the difference
[20:59] <Seeker`> hallo thar
[20:59] <popey> the boxee remote is basic
[20:59] <marsilainen> to me, multiple workspaces has been one of the big advantages of a Linux desktop for years... I'd give another system a try if they have a different way to solve the same problem, but intrigued as to what that would be...
[21:00] <BigRedS> you can add it on to Windows and OSX apparently
[21:00] <popey> its there by default in osx
[21:00] <BigRedS> I don't know how well it integrates, though; never done it
[21:00] <BigRedS> oh!
[21:00] <popey> it works very much like GS in OSX
[21:00] <BigRedS> it's probably pretty well done there, then
[21:00] <popey> you start with one, add them as you need them
[21:00] <popey> yes, it is
[21:01] <marsilainen> I currently have 18 windows open across 7 workspaces - I wouldn't want to alt+tab between all those.... but maybe they have another planned solution?
[21:01] <popey> they do
[21:01] <marsilainen> cool
[21:01] <popey> s/they/we/
[21:01] <marsilainen> I will be interested to see :)
[21:01] <popey> unity spread
[21:01] <popey> which I see elementary have implemented
[21:02] <marsilainen> like I say, I'm not stuck to one solution, just as long as not ditched workspaces without some way to deal with the issues that it solves :)
[21:02] <popey> we arent ditching them
[21:02] <popey> just not having 4 on the default install
[21:02] <AlanBell> what is unity spread?
[21:02] <marsilainen> well ok, but you see what I mean
[21:03] <popey> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/new-unity-spread-design-for-ubuntu-1210.html
[21:03] <n1md4> Doesn't it already do that?
[21:04] <marsilainen> it looks interesting, will try it when it is in a release
[21:04] <marsilainen> will that be in 12.10?
[21:04] <marsilainen> oh
[21:05] <marsilainen> the title says for 12.10 :)
[21:05] <marsilainen> so I guess so
[21:06] <marsilainen> I pretty much convinced everyone in the office to switch to GS so I hope I wont have to convince them all to switch back to unity now :)
[21:07] <AlanBell> being able to read the window titles might help that feature indeed
[21:07] <BigRedS> Why does it matter what they all use?
[21:07] <popey> *boggle*
[21:07] <spadders> popey : where is memtest?
[21:07] <AlanBell> with super+w spread you can turn on compiz enhanced zoom and zoom in to find out what the windows actually are
[21:07] <marsilainen> BigRedS: I was being a bit over the top there - what I really meant was that they saw the way that I was working in GS and decided to give it a try and stuck to it...
[21:08] <AlanBell> pretty cool as the textures are all full resolution, just small and you can zoom in and pan around
[21:08] <marsilainen> BigRedS: I don't mind what they use... it doesn't matter to me
[21:08] <popey> spadders, boot the cd, when you see "Man equals keyboard" (accessibility icon) press a key
[21:08] <popey> spadders, choose english then select memtest
[21:09] <marsilainen> AlanBell: yeah, it's a cool feature - GS has that too
[21:09] <BigRedS> is that roughly equivalent to gnome's start-key thingy?
[21:09] <BigRedS> 'cause I've an inordinate amount of love for that feature
[21:09] <marsilainen> AlanBell: it's a big god-send when you have lots of identical looking skype windows or whatever
[21:09] <BigRedS> oooh, no, but it might be better...
[21:09] <AlanBell> marsilainen: yeah, normally about 15 terminal windows for me
[21:10] <AlanBell> not massively helpful when zooming out and seeing a load of black rectangles
[21:10] <marsilainen> the office I work in lives on skype... kills me
[21:10] <BigRedS> 15 terminal windows?
[21:11] <BigRedS> no tabbed terminals or screen?
[21:11] <AlanBell> well sometimes gets up to that
[21:11] <popey> yeah, I used to do that
[21:11] <AlanBell> some are screen sessions
[21:11] <popey> been reigning it in using byobu and tabbed terminals
[21:11] <BigRedS> I used to keep spawning xterms for things, but I do that in guake now, so I only have one at a time
[21:12] <popey> i reach for CTRL+ALT+T all the time, trying to stop myself and re-use them
[21:12] <popey> because at the end of the day I find loads of them open with nothing useful in
[21:14] <spadders> popey : just froze again , how long does memtest take?
[21:14] <popey> spadders, leave it running overnight
[21:14] <spadders> popey : do I just leave overnight?
[21:14] <popey> yes
[21:14] <popey> just run it, leave it alone
[21:14] <spadders> Ok, will do
[21:14] <spadders> will post back here tomorrow
[21:15] <spadders> will this be definitive?
[21:15] <BigRedS> spadders: maybe
[21:15] <popey> it will certainly be obvious if the memory is at fault
[21:15] <spadders> ok
[21:15] <popey> maybe within a few minutes
[21:15] <czajkowski> skype still crashing on me most annoying when I use it a lot, but mostly kills on first call especially when using vide, killall and restart and its fine
[21:16] <spadders> ok, will keep you posted
[21:16] <czajkowski> running it in debug mode doesnt work as once you launch it the debug terminal closes
[21:16] <spadders> thanks for the help so far
[21:16]  * BigRedS chuckles
[21:17] <czajkowski> BigRedS: what...
[21:17] <BigRedS> czajkowski: at Skype's debug mode
[21:17] <BigRedS> I'm still finding it funny
[21:19] <czajkowski> BigRedS: and the bonus of yesterday you now know the effect stuff breaking has on me and the language that results in it
[21:19] <czajkowski> BigRedS: oh and my funky desktop images :)
[21:19] <BigRedS> czajkowski: yeah, it's hilarious!
[22:26] <lucid> lo all, just downloaded, burned & loaded Gnewsense livecd but it didnt start up on either my macbook or PC? Anyone know why?
[22:27] <lucid> Is there an irc channel?
[22:27] <BigRedS> Working out why depends on what does happen. I'm not sure if there is an IRC channel, but it's just Ubuntu without the non-free bits isn't it?
[22:28] <lucid> Correct. it gets to the Ash bit..... and then something this begins :]]]2  all down the screen
[22:29] <lucid> as if something is missing but I tried burning 4 times now :/
[22:30] <lucid> loads the splash screen and then gets to the busybox/ash bit and then fills the screen with [:]2 or something like that. Will try again after i am finished watching the alex jones show live.
[22:32] <lucid> Can anyone recommend something similar that actually works so I can try a few distro's when I get MORE DISCS?  :) Many thanks. :)
[22:32] <ali1234> yeah, ubuntu
[22:32] <lucid> har har :)
[22:32] <lucid> I am in ubuntu :)
[22:33] <lucid> atleast on my macbook
[22:33] <ali1234> so why try to install gnewsense?
[22:34] <lucid> next the PC after I back it all up. I checked out stallman's website & GNU after hearing his interview on infowars and decided I would like to "free software" because he said Ubuntu still has elements that not free? or something like that
[22:34] <ali1234> there's a good reason why ubuntu has non-free elements: your computer won't work without them
[22:36] <lucid> Meknows. Just wanted to try a "free distro" but obviously not all they cracked up to be!
[22:36] <lucid> I shall back up my new PC and fully load ubuntu. Sod MS(I've been lazy) :)
[22:37]  * hamitron is happy so long as it is cheap and works
[22:39] <lucid> Ah yes this is why I wanted a free distro.... Adobe Flash Installer Update. I was having problems with this before on windows and I have just received a request on here!!! This is gov backdoor!
[22:39] <ali1234> don't install it then
[22:39] <hamitron> gov backdoor?
[22:40] <lucid> I wont. That was the mistake I made months ago and then it came it was linked to finspy(will find all the info on it hang on)
[22:40] <BigRedS> if you want a completely free-as-in-freedom software stack normally you need an almost completely free-as-in-freedom hardware one
[22:40] <hamitron> if the people in government are useless enough to not be able to find pr0n online, they are welcome to view mine
[22:41] <hamitron> ¬¬
[22:41] <lucid> Once you accept (even though flash AUTO accepts it) my video's dont work, Firefox continuously crashes and other problems.....
[22:41] <hamitron> :/
[22:42] <lucid> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/31/1434229/finspy-commercial-spyware-abused-by-governments?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[22:44] <lucid> I am an activist with the UK Column and earlier in the year I realised had this bloody thing on my computer. I tried to get rid of it and it locked my out of my windows computer so I turned it off and left it for months because I sooo angry.
[22:44] <ali1234> i don't see what this has to do with flash
[22:45] <lucid> oh and it only locked me when I removed the ethernet cable from the net connection.
[22:46] <lucid> They used flash because everyone accepts flash always asks for updates.... so no one expects it to be dodgy. Look for news articles on it.....
[22:46] <lucid> It was on BBC news, sky etc.
[22:47] <hamitron> this is why it pays to be lazy, never get anything done to be monitored ;)
[22:47] <lucid> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/276444/spyware-targets-dissidents.html
[22:48] <lucid> FinSpy is made by the Gamma Group, a British company that says it sells monitoring software to governments solely for criminal investigations.
[22:48] <ali1234> i still don't see what this has to do with flash
[22:49] <lucid> Hang on let me find the articles specifically  for Flash(Finspy). Too angry to explain coherently ! :)
[22:50] <lucid> http://wl.wikileaks-press.org/spyfiles/docs/gamma/289_remote-monitoring-and-infection-solutions-finspy.html
[22:51] <lucid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinFisher
[22:51] <lucid> there you go
[22:52] <ali1234> "The FinFisher documents also say that its tool can allow a website to  pretend that software such as Adobe’s Flash is missing and will prompt  the user to download the software. Adobe declined to comment."
[22:52] <ali1234> so it has nothing to do with flash
[22:53] <lucid> It use's "flash update" to gain access
[22:53] <ali1234> that's not what it says
[22:53] <hamitron> you mean it pretends to be a flash update in some cases?
[22:53] <lucid> Yes
[22:53] <lucid> YES
[22:54] <lucid> It pretends Itunes also
[22:54] <ali1234> http://online.wsj.com/media/finweb_G_20111121185229.jpg
[22:54] <ali1234> it just displays a website that says "click here to install flash" and then downloads a trojan instead
[22:54] <ali1234> just about the oldest trick in the book
[22:55] <lucid> No, it doesnt look like a website. It looks Identical to adobe program. (thanks hamitron for talking for me :)
[22:55] <hamitron> disabling downloading everything would work too
[22:55] <ali1234> yeah, well, the first step to not falling for this stuff is to understand how it works
[22:56] <lucid> Yes, thats what I did for the PC when I reinstalled everything. This has ONLY just started again. Fool me once.....
[22:56] <lucid> Correct ali1234.
[22:59] <lucid> Just angry that "they" are trying again...... They wont stop me handing out papers, putting up posters or handing out megaphones to people with good causes..... YA HEAR ME SHADOW PEOPLE. GRR.
[22:59] <lucid> Rant over.
[22:59] <ali1234> the really hilarious thing is you try to block legitimate updates which just makes your system even more insecure
[22:59] <ali1234> and does nothing to block the fakes since they are totally unrelated
[23:00] <lucid> Agreed. It confuses you into accepting the crap.
[23:02] <lucid> Also, Shadow People. Yes, I am becoming active again. You have been warned. You should be scared. The tide is turning. :))
[23:05] <ali1234> you are starting to sound a bit like david icke
[23:05] <lucid> I went to princess DIana's school :)
[23:05] <lucid> During 9/11
[23:05] <lucid>  :)
[23:06] <lucid> Oh crap. Now you might be able to find out who I am. Drat :D
my masters from planet zog already know who you are</fnord>
[23:07] <lucid> Not in the mood to talk about ickey atm but tomorrow once I have had sleep I would quite happily debate. Been following all this "crap" since I was 12 after I was put on prozac for well greiving my mums death and reading books !!!
[23:08] <lucid> yes planet zog :D
[23:08] <lucid> Fucking schools
[23:08] <lucid> oops :)
[23:09] <ali1234> anyway best way to avoid malware is to install ubuntu and only use signed packages from the repositories
[23:09] <hamitron> not using a comp would work too
[23:09] <hamitron> probably better still :)
[23:09] <ali1234> if you are super paranoid then openbsd instead
[23:10] <ali1234> i dont know if they do signed binary packages but i assume they do
[23:10] <lucid> indeed. This is first time I have seen the "fake flash update" on ubuntu. I am beyond paranoia hahahaha :)
[23:10] <ali1234> the fake flash update is just a webpage as i said
[23:10] <hamitron> ah, but did it install?
[23:10] <lucid> so why is it coming up in update manager
[23:10] <ali1234> any web page can request you install any plugin
[23:10] <lucid> no i did not install it
[23:11] <ali1234> screenshot of update manager with "fake" update please
[23:11] <ali1234> update manager only accepts signed packages
[23:11] <lucid> crap sorry not on screen now. Um next time it ask I will screen shot it I promise!
[23:11] <lucid> it will ask again I am sure
[23:11] <lucid> I will place a bet on it
[23:12] <hamitron> little bit off topic, but is 2GB memory enough for ubuntu?
[23:12] <lucid> I bet with Cacao beans.....
[23:12] <hamitron> 12.04 that is
[23:12] <ali1234> speaking of bets, matthew n wright just lost his 10k BTC bet on pirate
[23:12] <ali1234> i assume pirate didn't pay
[23:13] <ali1234> oh and he didn't pay up. what a surprise
[23:14] <lucid> not even beans....  that cheat
[23:16] <lucid> how do I screenshot???
[23:16] <ali1234> press print screen
[23:17] <lucid> on macbook
[23:17] <lucid> :)
[23:17] <hamitron> buy a proper machine
[23:17] <hamitron> ;D
[23:17] <lucid> sod orf :)
[23:17] <lucid> Downloads and Installs the Adobe Flash Player plugin. The Adobe Flash Player plugin supports playing of media and other dynamic content online.
[23:17] <lucid> The Adobe Flash Player plugin will work with a range of web-browsers including, limited to:
[23:17] <lucid> * Firefox
[23:17] <lucid> * Chromium
[23:17] <lucid> * SeaMonkey
[23:17] <lucid> * Iceweasel
[23:17] <lucid> * Iceape
[23:17] <lucid> * Galeon
[23:17] <lucid> * Epiphany
[23:17] <lucid> * Konqueror WARNING: Installing this Ubuntu package causes the Adobe Flash Player plugin to be downloaded from the Adobe web site. The distribution license of the Adobe Flash Player plugin is available at www.adobe.com. Installing this Ubuntu package implies that you have accepted the terms of that license.
[23:17] <lucid> Changes for the versions:
[23:17] <lucid> Installed version: 11.2.202.236ubuntu0.12.04.1
[23:18] <lucid> Available version: 11.2.202.238ubuntu0.12.04.1
[23:18] <Seeker`> !pastebin
[23:18] <lucid> Version 11.2.202.238ubuntu0.12.04.1:
[23:18] <lucid>   * New upstream release 11.2.202.238
[23:18] <lucid>     - debian/flashplugin-installer.{config,postinst},
[23:18] <lucid>       debian/post-download-hook: Updated version and sha256sum.
[23:19] <ali1234> packages is totally legit
[23:22] <lucid> this macbook seems to missing a few keys
[23:22] <lucid> humm
[23:22] <ali1234> lucid: what makes you think that is "fake"?
[23:22] <lucid> because it has only just started happening again. On my PC aswell but I now know it is fake I dont accept it.
[23:22] <ali1234> you know that adobe does release updates right?
[23:23] <lucid> yes
[23:23] <lucid> I am not that stupid
[23:23] <lucid> :)
[23:23] <ali1234> so what makes you think it is fake?
[23:23] <lucid> because my flash on the PC starting screwing up and all of a sudden had two Update requests.....
[23:23] <lucid> I denied both
[23:24] <ali1234> well, that's a legitimate update
[23:24] <lucid> so I turned on this box and hello there he is again :)
[23:24] <hamitron> perhaps there were security fixes?
[23:24] <lucid> How do you know it is legitimate?
[23:24] <lucid> show me
[23:24] <ali1234> update manager would reject it if it was not signed by canonical
[23:24] <lucid> realllly? :)
[23:24] <ali1234> yes, really
[23:24] <lucid> sure? :)
[23:25] <ali1234> unless you machine is already compromised, yes, i am absolutely sure
[23:25] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1195672/
[23:26] <ali1234> that is what i have installed
[23:26] <lucid> Right, Tell you what. I will accept all the updates in the next two hours. PC and linux.... I may see soon or maybe couple of hours after reinstall :)
[23:27] <ali1234> update is to address CVE-2012-1535
[23:27] <ali1234> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-1535
[23:27] <ali1234> "allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service"
[23:28] <ali1234> http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb12-18.html
[23:28] <ali1234> so you see, you need to install legit updates, or you are worse off than if you install nothing at all
[23:28] <lucid> stand corrected. on this
[23:29] <ali1234> i bet they still didn't fix the smurf bug though
[23:29] <lucid> yeh, so adobe know this happening. good. bloody windows must be compromised again!
[23:29] <ali1234> "There are reports that the vulnerability is being exploited in the wild  in limited targeted attacks, distributed through a malicious Word  document."
[23:30] <ali1234> "limited targeted attacks" sounds a lot like ... well, finspy
[23:30] <lucid> yes, which is legal in the UK
[23:30] <lucid> :)
[23:30] <lucid> Thanks theresa may :)
[23:32] <lucid> ah I have found the INVISIBLE hash key on the macbook. it is miracle
[23:33] <lucid> Time for a normal cheap laptop methinks.
[23:33] <lucid> Definately not compaq though. Any suggestions? :)
[23:34] <lucid> cheers ali1234. For something. :)
[23:39] <lucid> hmmm nicotine patch or crafty roll up? :(
[23:40] <hamitron> cheapest
[23:41] <lucid> old school toshiba satellite :)
[23:41] <lucid> those were the days
[23:42] <popey> lucid, thinkpad :)
[23:42] <lucid> indeed. :)
[23:42] <lucid> aaaah
[23:43] <lucid> Q2Jail Break on a laptop with 56k modem..... still mashing up the elite. those were the days
[23:43] <lucid> :)
[23:43] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230817614580?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648
[23:43] <popey> CHEAP REFURBISHED IBM Lenovo T60 ThinkPad Laptop 3.6Ghz CORE DUO Warranty Office
[23:43] <popey> i like how they say 3.6GHz because it's dual core 1.8GHz
[23:43] <popey> still, cheap computing
[23:44] <lucid> Yeah bruv. Gotta laptop to sell its 3.6ghz.......
[23:44] <lucid> Erm
[23:45] <lucid> Is it? Yeah bruv, you want it or not? :P
[23:45] <lucid> It's a deal, It's a Steal..... It's the Sale of the Fucking Century!
[23:46] <hamitron> 3 PCs in a row.... Ubuntu, Win7 and..... do i make the 3rd win9x?
[23:46] <lucid> I wonder if he would accept Cacao beans as payment???
[23:47] <lucid> for fun yes
[23:47] <lucid> :)
[23:47] <lucid> nostalgia also
[23:47] <hamitron> I do have a lot of old games
[23:47] <lucid> Quake2 Baby yeah!!!
[23:47] <hamitron> I said old ;/
[23:47] <lucid> Duke nukem!
[23:48] <lucid> Doom baby yeah!
[23:48] <hamitron> :)
[23:48] <lucid> I would accept Wolf3D as an answer....
[23:48] <lucid> :D
[23:48] <hamitron> Destruction Derby 2
[23:49] <lucid> Yeah baby yeah!!!
[23:49] <lucid> Stop it
[23:49] <lucid> Stop it
[23:49] <lucid> Why were games so much better back then
[23:50] <lucid> Sod it. Get out the subbuteo (is that how it spelt?)
[23:50] <hamitron> my other option is to have a raspberry pi on the 3rd monitor
[23:52] <lucid> what will it be used for ( asks the curious side of me)
[23:53] <lucid> or ignorant side perhaps
[23:54] <hamitron> not much tbh
[23:54] <hamitron> win7 machine will use 2 screens most of the time
[23:55] <lucid> I would go for fun & nostalgia :D
[23:56] <lucid> good old win98, cant remember why I loved WinMe or was it Win2000
[23:57] <hamitron> I liked all 3 tbh
[23:57] <lucid> probably both for different reasons, the void between 98 & XP wasnt it?
[23:57] <lucid> yep
[23:57] <hamitron> XP never really made me happy
[23:57] <lucid> Dreading Windows 8. Already getting bad reviews and he hasnt been released. Hehehehe
[23:58] <lucid> yeh when XP came out I went back to 98 because some games/graphics didnt work
[23:58] <lucid> lots of probs so I recall