[05:22] <stlsaint> w00t
[05:22] <stlsaint> is there a dayton loco group?
[05:25] <Unit193> You mean ReLoCo?  Not currently:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ReLoCos
[05:25] <Unit193> \p
[05:28] <stlsaint> Unit193: jesus man you are like a spider monkey!! Just everywhere!!! LOL
[05:30] <stlsaint> nothing for dayton...kk
[05:30] <Unit193> stlsaint: :D
[05:30] <Unit193> stlsaint: Unless you know of someone willing?
[05:31] <stlsaint> Unit193: well i am moving there in november so maybe....
[07:30] <Cheri703> there are several people in dayton, just perhaps not a forma ReLoCo
[07:30] <Cheri703> *formal
[13:28] <thafreak> i thought Derath-Srvr  was in dayton and said that gilbert just moved there
[13:38] <paultag> thats what he said
[13:38] <paultag> wait
[13:38] <paultag> but gilbert is doing his phd work @ osu
[13:38] <paultag> dafuq
[14:02] <dzho> that's a bit of a commute
[14:03] <dzho> stlsaint: you in dayton?
[14:03]  * dzho used to live in and around dayton
[14:03] <dzho> it's what I use to claim my -us-oh-ness, even though I'm not in OH now.
[14:04] <dzho> so, is it that you're leaving dayton in nov, or arriving?
[14:11] <paultag> yo stlsaint
[14:41] <stlsaint> paultag: yo
[14:42] <stlsaint> dzho: im moving there in couple months
[15:15] <dzho> stlsaint: cool
[15:18] <stlsaint> dzho: from what i can see dayton is a rather crime high area
[15:19] <dzho> stlsaint: probably like any medium-sized US city, downtown has its patches, the suburbs are probably fine
[15:20] <stlsaint> dzho: naw stats show dayton is particualrly bad compared to most other US
[15:20] <stlsaint> cities
[15:20] <dzho> link?
[15:20] <dzho> because I live on the outskirts of a city that is pretty bad, in spots.
[15:21] <dzho> and I've seen burned-over areas near downtown KC, and Detroit is infamous for the decay of its downtown, but has some of the wealthiest suburbs anywhere
[15:21] <stlsaint> dzho: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Dayton-Ohio.html
[15:21] <dzho> stlsaint: where you coming from?  not East St. Louis? ;-)
[15:22] <stlsaint> dzho: haha east st louis is the reason i am looking into crime data of my next location
[15:22] <stlsaint> east st is the reason i carry ;)
[15:23] <stlsaint> legally by all means by none the less....the reason
[15:23] <dzho> heh
[15:23] <dzho> yeah, so that map is just as I said: downtown Dayton proper is high, suburbs are average or low
[15:24] <dzho> the resolution of it isn't such to show variability within the city proper
[15:24]  * dzho lived, albeit 30 years ago, in an area that was gentrifying in downtown
[15:24] <dzho> Oregon District
[15:24] <dzho> so, I'd walk by winos in doorways, for instance
[15:25] <dzho> but that was about it as far as crime that I saw
[15:25] <stlsaint> yea but i believe im in the middle of dayton and my job is to walk around various communities and talk to people (army recruiter)
[15:25] <dzho> ah
[15:26] <stlsaint> so just trying to get snapshot of what im walking into....literally
[15:30] <dzho> I question the comparative value of that sites "average" since they are looking at any place with more than 6000 people
[15:30] <dzho> I've lived in places with <<100,000 people and they are qualitatively different in terms of crime and such
[15:32] <stlsaint> ah
[15:33] <dzho> the usual way of quoting crime statistics is per 100,000 which is a linear normalization.
[15:33] <dzho> so, that's fine as far as that goes.
[15:34] <dzho> but crime pretty much depends on people encountering each other (or people encountering other people's stuff, in the case of property crimes)
[15:34] <dzho> and that goes as the square of population
[15:36] <stlsaint> dzho: well overall stats look bad for dayton lol
[15:42]  * dzho shrugs
[15:42] <dzho> I guess that's a good place to hire people to train to kill.
[15:43] <dzho> as for comparing cities, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
[15:43] <dzho> on the one hand, there's Pasadena, which flies in the face of my analysis
[15:43] <dzho> then there's Lansing, MI, which is worse (very few low crime suburbs)
[15:44] <paultag> ohio rocks
[15:44] <paultag> it's the greatest place on earth
[15:44] <dzho> though I'd say Lansing is a better comparison, because it is a free standing city, whereas Pasadena is part of the continuous southern California megapolis
[15:44] <dzho> paultag: haha
[15:44] <paultag> i'm only sorta joking
[15:45] <dzho> it has its good points
[15:45] <dzho> I think I'm most partial to Cincinnati
[15:45] <paultag> CLE, here.
[15:45] <dzho> stlsaint: you should definitely get out to the Air Force Museum, go down to the parks in the Stillwater basin
[15:46] <stlsaint> ok
[15:46] <dzho> paultag: well, CLE is what you know best, no?
[15:46] <paultag> well, I was only there 4 years, but out of Ohio, aye.
[15:47] <stlsaint> haha cincinnati doesn't seem to be all that better :P
[15:47] <stlsaint> paultag: and especially CLE :P :P
[15:47] <paultag> :)
[15:49] <dzho> stlsaint: you know cities are more than their crime stats, right?
[15:49] <paultag> stlsaint: wait, when are you moving?
[15:49] <stlsaint> dzho: hrm, not really ;)
[15:49] <stlsaint> paultag: nov
[15:50] <paultag> fuck
[15:50] <dzho> oh, well, then, you're always going to have a bad time, then
[15:50] <dzho> sorry.
[15:50] <stlsaint> dzho: you sound like my wife ;)
[15:50] <paultag> stlsaint: if you were in CLE for the 28th of this month, you could have made OLF with darkwing, tenach, me and tons of others
[15:50] <paultag> erm
[15:50] <paultag> CBUS
[15:50] <stlsaint> paultag: yea i know i saw
[15:51] <dzho> stlsaint: you'll work downtown, but do you have to live downtown?
[15:51] <dzho> also, got kids?
[15:52] <dzho> anyway, if you're worried about crime stats, you should just leave the US>
[15:52] <dzho> ;-)
[15:52] <dzho> got to live in Canada or Europre or oz or NX
[15:52] <dzho> er, NZ
[15:53] <stlsaint> dzho: NZ is my choice as of right now...no joke
[15:53]  * dzho nods
[15:53] <dzho> been there?
[15:53] <stlsaint> dzho: nope just done research on it and i liked what i read up on
[15:53]  * dzho visited Queenstown, Dunedin, Christchurch, Nelson, Auckland
[15:53] <dzho> nice place
[15:54] <dzho> if it weren't so damned far from family in US, and we could get jobs, it would be attractive.
[15:54] <stlsaint> dzho: well being from family is not a big issue and trust me i have been tired of the US for quite some time now
[15:55]  * dzho nods
[15:55] <stlsaint> dzho: i know most people joke about leaving but it truly is an option in my family plan
[15:55] <dzho> where'd you grow up?
[15:55] <stlsaint> kansas/illinois
[15:55] <dzho> <.<
[15:55] <dzho> >.>
[15:56] <dzho> yeah, I visited a couple of times around KC, but that's about all I know of KS
[15:56] <dzho> spent many years on the southern IN/IL border
[15:56] <dzho> and, of course, have driven across IL many times.
[15:56] <dzho> that is a long freakin drive
[15:57] <stlsaint> yep
[15:59] <dzho> anyway, US has awesome things going for it, it would just be nice if people actually knew which ones are, and which one's aren't
[16:02] <canthus13> dzho: you do realize that crime happens in canadia, europe, australia, and NZ, right? and from the new zealanders I've talked to, they might have higher urban crime rates than the US. :/
[16:04] <stlsaint> canthus13: that is a shock
[16:04] <dzho> you could just look it up
[16:04] <dzho> sure they have crime
[16:05] <dzho> but they are wildly safer, overall
[16:05] <stlsaint> canthus13: im not saying there is NO crime, just i doubt its higher than the US
[16:05] <dzho> I'm talking OECD countries, though, not Rawanda or Kenya or . . . .
[16:05] <dzho> canthus13: have you ever visited or lived outside the US?
[16:06] <canthus13> dzho: yep.
[16:06] <dzho> it's not even close: http://micpohling.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/oecd-crime-statistic-i/
[16:07]  * canthus13 spent several years in germany.
[16:07] <dzho> violent crimes we're middle of the road, but homicide is off the chart
[16:08] <dzho> as a function of population density, we again suck hard
[16:09] <canthus13> dzho: It's still a tiny amount.
[16:09] <dzho> funny how violent crime per 100K there is disproportionately english-speaking coutnries.
[16:10] <dzho> canthus13: Nevermind, I'm sorry.
[16:10] <dzho> America, Fuck Yeah!
[16:11] <canthus13> I just find it funny that people wanna blame guns in the US, when switzerland requires gun use among it's population.
[16:12] <dzho> man, I didn't say a freaking thing about guns.
[16:12] <dzho> canada also has a high gun ownership rate
[16:14] <canthus13> dzho: I didn't say you did. but people always seem to want to point at gun ownership. :/
[16:17] <canthus13> The reality is that it's a function of culture (or lack of), rather than simple gun ownership.  Personally, I like the swiss idea of making adults receive proper gun training.
[20:05] <thafreak> ugh...can't wait until this basement is done...
[20:06] <thafreak> i'm tired of pulling cable and twisting wire nuts
[20:06] <thafreak> i think I may have one of the most wired houses in all of medina county
[21:35] <thafreak> so...I generated a new gpg key...anyone in here going to OLF and want to do a key signing?
[21:35] <thafreak> There is a BOF session friday night apparently that will be a key signing party...
[21:36] <thafreak> but maybe we can get some LoCo members to do one too...or maybe just exchange fingerprints as we meet in person...?