[00:12] <chris4585> wrst, yeah I usually do unetbootin, but it didn't work properly last time with my flash drive and arch or archbang
[00:12] <chris4585> so I did the dd command instead and it worked
[01:08] <cyberanger> dd if=/dev/wrongdevice of=/dev/randomsoundsthatmightbecursing
[01:08] <cyberanger> chris4585: ^
[01:09] <cyberanger> I love dd, but it's sorta like explosives, a powerful too, capable of opening doors (literally) but also has similarities to walking into a minefield
[01:10] <chris4585> cyberanger, I double check with gparted before I use dd
[01:11] <cyberanger> fdisk & mount for me
[01:11] <wrst> chris4585: i'm back on arch fulltime again, i wanted to like my ubuntu install but man its just no comparison to arch and gnome
[01:12] <chris4585> wrst, lol that didn't take long
[01:12] <wrst> gnome-shell is just not good
[01:12] <wrst> in ubuntu
[01:12] <wrst> vanilla is mucho better
[01:12] <wrst> and there's doesn't have much tweaking i'm not for sure what the deal is but its sluggish and well just blah
[01:16] <cyberanger> wrst: no debian testing or sid?
[01:17] <wrst> cyberanger: i have tried and really i always had little issues with stability that i don't have with arch
[01:17] <wrst> i am running debian stable for a print server
[01:27]  * cyberanger wonders what little issues, none I've had
[01:28] <wrst> broken packages espeically with gnome
[01:28] <cyberanger> ah, openbox, that's why
[01:29] <cyberanger> plenty of GTK & Qt Regretablly, but minimal
[01:31] <cyberanger> minimal use, zero issues
[02:06] <cyberanger> time for work, again
[03:33] <chris4585> sorry got distracted
[03:33] <chris4585> yeah I think arch with gnome or anything else really is way more attractive... like somehow the combination is better
[03:35] <chris4585> wrst, I've heard horror stories about using debian as a desktop and how unstable it can be, which blows my mind, specifically with compiz
[06:58] <netritious> I haven't had any probs with debian and gnome...running that combo for almost a year now.
[11:03] <wrst> netritious: running stable? i mean debian stable can't be beat
[17:09] <netritious> wrst: yes, gnome2 and squeeze is fine. I don't use any plugins though (flash, java, etc.) so that may have something to do with it
[18:43] <wrst> netritious: i'm using gnome-shell
[18:44] <wrst> and with 3.0 it was spotty then going from 3.0 to 3.2 lots of brokenness and well its a testing distro so thats not  knock on it in the least
[20:14] <netritious> wrst: I guess I'm old school...I still use gnome2 (gnome-panel on ubuntu)
[20:14] <wrst> nah that's still gnome 3 just a differnt "shell" :)
[20:15] <wrst> so you are new school
[20:16] <wrst> or i think that's how that works?
[20:16] <netritious> Hm, well I tried gnome-shell and it was terrible on the older hardware.
[20:16] <wrst> oh yeah netritious its not for old hardware
[20:16] <netritious> gnome-panel was installed simply because it was an upgrade from 10.04.
[20:16] <wrst> agree 100%
[20:16] <wrst> the gnome fallback mode is similar to that and you can make gnome shell act like a polished up version of gnome 2
[20:17] <netritious> but that's still gnome3? gnome-panel on ubuntu 12.04?
[20:17] <netritious> oic
[20:17] <wrst> i think so i mean unity for all purposes is gnome 3 with a different shell
[20:17] <wrst> i'm easily confused so could likely be wrong :)
[20:17] <netritious> well it looks/works great on an old P4 2.4GHz, 1GB DDR, 30GB ATA33 HDD
[20:18] <netritious> gnome-panel I mean
[20:18] <netritious> I turned off /all/ of the effects
[20:18] <wrst> yeah i think it is because if i remember reading somewhere about using it for those that don't like unity or gnome-shell
[20:19] <wrst> if it were gnome 2 you would have a mix of gtk2 and3 but i think that works too
[20:19] <netritious> it has a PCI nvidia MX4000 (newer PCI card) and using nouveau drivers (nothing restricted available)
[20:19] <wrst> how does nouvaeu work for it?
[20:19] <netritious> fine
[20:20] <netritious> that wasn't always the case just a couple of years ago
[20:20] <wrst> i haven't used them in a while well don't really have anything to use them on i might try on my dekstop sometime just to see how they are working now
[20:21] <netritious> now on my debian wheezy it is gnome2 still, at least I'm pretty sure it is (looks like it lol)
[20:21] <wrst> netritious: here is what i had read: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed
[20:21] <wrst> i know gnome2 isn't being maintained now
[20:21] <wrst> other than mate
[20:23] <netritious> What about cinamon? Is that a gnome2 fork?
[20:24] <wrst> cinamon is the linux mint gnome3 forkish thing
[20:25] <wrst> which is really stupid IMO you coudl easily do what they did with extensions to gnome-shell and not forked but hey whatever makes them happy but i really don't like linux mint so i'm just bitter
[20:26] <wrst> this looks handy: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/grub-customizer-30-released.html
[20:26] <netritious> at least you're honest with yourself about it wrst :)
[20:27] <wrst> well netritious its pretty obvious :)
[20:27] <wrst> no need denying it
[22:02] <chris4585> I do kind of like linux mint, but mostly just to use it as a base
[22:03] <chris4585> it does everything ubuntu does but already has the things I actually want installed
[22:03] <chris4585> the forking is a little dumb but whatever