[00:12] wrst, yeah I usually do unetbootin, but it didn't work properly last time with my flash drive and arch or archbang [00:12] so I did the dd command instead and it worked [01:08] dd if=/dev/wrongdevice of=/dev/randomsoundsthatmightbecursing [01:08] chris4585: ^ [01:09] I love dd, but it's sorta like explosives, a powerful too, capable of opening doors (literally) but also has similarities to walking into a minefield [01:10] cyberanger, I double check with gparted before I use dd [01:11] fdisk & mount for me [01:11] chris4585: i'm back on arch fulltime again, i wanted to like my ubuntu install but man its just no comparison to arch and gnome [01:12] wrst, lol that didn't take long [01:12] gnome-shell is just not good [01:12] in ubuntu [01:12] vanilla is mucho better [01:12] and there's doesn't have much tweaking i'm not for sure what the deal is but its sluggish and well just blah [01:16] wrst: no debian testing or sid? [01:17] cyberanger: i have tried and really i always had little issues with stability that i don't have with arch [01:17] i am running debian stable for a print server [01:27] * cyberanger wonders what little issues, none I've had [01:28] broken packages espeically with gnome [01:28] ah, openbox, that's why [01:29] plenty of GTK & Qt Regretablly, but minimal [01:31] minimal use, zero issues [02:06] time for work, again [03:33] sorry got distracted [03:33] yeah I think arch with gnome or anything else really is way more attractive... like somehow the combination is better [03:35] wrst, I've heard horror stories about using debian as a desktop and how unstable it can be, which blows my mind, specifically with compiz [06:58] I haven't had any probs with debian and gnome...running that combo for almost a year now. [11:03] netritious: running stable? i mean debian stable can't be beat [17:09] wrst: yes, gnome2 and squeeze is fine. I don't use any plugins though (flash, java, etc.) so that may have something to do with it [18:43] netritious: i'm using gnome-shell [18:44] and with 3.0 it was spotty then going from 3.0 to 3.2 lots of brokenness and well its a testing distro so thats not knock on it in the least [20:14] wrst: I guess I'm old school...I still use gnome2 (gnome-panel on ubuntu) [20:14] nah that's still gnome 3 just a differnt "shell" :) [20:15] so you are new school [20:16] or i think that's how that works? [20:16] Hm, well I tried gnome-shell and it was terrible on the older hardware. [20:16] oh yeah netritious its not for old hardware [20:16] gnome-panel was installed simply because it was an upgrade from 10.04. [20:16] agree 100% [20:16] the gnome fallback mode is similar to that and you can make gnome shell act like a polished up version of gnome 2 [20:17] but that's still gnome3? gnome-panel on ubuntu 12.04? [20:17] oic [20:17] i think so i mean unity for all purposes is gnome 3 with a different shell [20:17] i'm easily confused so could likely be wrong :) [20:17] well it looks/works great on an old P4 2.4GHz, 1GB DDR, 30GB ATA33 HDD [20:18] gnome-panel I mean [20:18] I turned off /all/ of the effects [20:18] yeah i think it is because if i remember reading somewhere about using it for those that don't like unity or gnome-shell [20:19] if it were gnome 2 you would have a mix of gtk2 and3 but i think that works too [20:19] it has a PCI nvidia MX4000 (newer PCI card) and using nouveau drivers (nothing restricted available) [20:19] how does nouvaeu work for it? [20:19] fine [20:20] that wasn't always the case just a couple of years ago [20:20] i haven't used them in a while well don't really have anything to use them on i might try on my dekstop sometime just to see how they are working now [20:21] now on my debian wheezy it is gnome2 still, at least I'm pretty sure it is (looks like it lol) [20:21] netritious: here is what i had read: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed [20:21] i know gnome2 isn't being maintained now [20:21] other than mate [20:23] What about cinamon? Is that a gnome2 fork? [20:24] cinamon is the linux mint gnome3 forkish thing [20:25] which is really stupid IMO you coudl easily do what they did with extensions to gnome-shell and not forked but hey whatever makes them happy but i really don't like linux mint so i'm just bitter [20:26] this looks handy: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/grub-customizer-30-released.html [20:26] at least you're honest with yourself about it wrst :) [20:27] well netritious its pretty obvious :) [20:27] no need denying it [22:02] I do kind of like linux mint, but mostly just to use it as a base [22:03] it does everything ubuntu does but already has the things I actually want installed [22:03] the forking is a little dumb but whatever