| smartboyhw | knome: ping | 02:43 |
|---|---|---|
| noskcaj | knome isn't online smartboyhw | 02:49 |
| smartboyhw | OH alright then, some matters about testcases | 02:49 |
| noskcaj | i | 02:51 |
| noskcaj | i'm willing to assume that involes me aswell | 02:52 |
| noskcaj | i was working on a testcase with knome thismorning | 02:52 |
| smartboyhw | noskcaj: No. It is some sort of acking admin problem | 02:52 |
| smartboyhw | You see both knome and me put the testcases in the main ISO QA Tracker, which we shouldn't have done till balloons' approval I think | 02:53 |
| noskcaj | oh | 02:54 |
| noskcaj | that cant end to well | 02:55 |
| smartboyhw | And some of the formatting is bad also | 02:55 |
| mips1911 | #Ubuntu-Arabic | 08:30 |
| smartboyhw | mips1911: ? | 08:30 |
| mips1911 | ? | 08:30 |
| smartboyhw | mips1911: Why do you say #ubuntu-arabic in the Xubuntu dev channel? | 08:31 |
| mips1911 | was trying to join a channel | 08:31 |
| smartboyhw | Oh alright | 08:31 |
| mips1911 | need a french-arabic dictionary, sigh | 08:31 |
| elfy | mips1911: one of these might help http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage#arabic | 08:40 |
| mips1911 | thanks elfy | 08:41 |
| mr_pouit | eh, finally done | 12:53 |
| mr_pouit | knome: Bug #1048217 please push the buttons so I can upload that soon :P | 12:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1048217 in Ubuntu "Re-introduce indicator-sound-gtk2/ido-gtk2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048217 | 12:53 |
| mr_pouit | thanks | 12:53 |
| knome | mr_pouit, that'd be FFe? | 13:21 |
| mr_pouit | yep | 13:27 |
| knome | ok | 13:28 |
| knome | it's probably going to be tomorrow, since it's sunday | 13:28 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, I know | 13:28 |
| mr_pouit | bbl | 13:28 |
| knome | see you, and thanks | 13:28 |
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| elfy | evening all | 17:05 |
| mips1911 | hi | 17:06 |
| pnarciso | hey | 17:07 |
| elfy | hi mips1911 pnarciso | 17:16 |
| * micahg waves to knome | 17:37 | |
| Unit193 | Is that a wave and run? | 17:55 |
| * micahg waves to knome again | 18:47 | |
| Unit193 | To be fair, when you d/c: <Unit193> Is that a wave and run? | 18:48 |
| knome | hey micahg :) | 18:52 |
| elfy | knome: you got time for a very quick PM ? | 18:54 |
| knome | elfy, sure | 18:55 |
| micahg | knome: so, we have some space to make? | 19:11 |
| knome | micahg, we do | 19:14 |
| knome | micahg, did you look at http://www.typewith.me/p/x-q-imagesize ? | 19:16 |
| micahg | I commented on teh first rounf | 19:16 |
| micahg | *round | 19:17 |
| knome | yeah, i deleted the "upsteam" stuff | 19:17 |
| knome | and yeah, i know the situation with icons | 19:17 |
| knome | it's so weird that any application depends on an icon set | 19:17 |
| knome | micahg, can we blacklist packages from the CD even if they are on "depends"? | 19:22 |
| micahg | no | 19:22 |
| micahg | if we have an icon set that provides the same icons as gnome-icon-theme, we can add a provides as well | 19:22 |
| micahg | err..gnome-icon-theme + humanity-icon-theme + hicolor-icon-theme | 19:23 |
| knome | and then we could drop gnome-icon-theme? | 19:23 |
| micahg | yeah, it wouldn't be added | 19:23 |
| micahg | that's ~7MB | 19:23 |
| knome | gnome-icon-theme? | 19:23 |
| micahg | well, all 3 of those together | 19:23 |
| knome | mmh | 19:23 |
| knome | that's not too much | 19:23 |
| micahg | nope | 19:23 |
| micahg | I think we should drop gimp | 19:24 |
| micahg | it's not core to the Xubuntu experience | 19:24 |
| knome | yeah, it starts looking like it | 19:24 |
| knome | if we drop that, when do we know how much we gain? | 19:24 |
| knome | can you calculate that directly? | 19:24 |
| micahg | no, but guesses are between 20 and 40MB | 19:24 |
| knome | that's a big difference | 19:24 |
| knome | if it's 20, we still need a lot | 19:24 |
| micahg | well, I could if I had a proper setup for generating images locally, but I don't | 19:24 |
| knome | i there somebody who has that? :P | 19:25 |
| knome | *is too | 19:25 |
| knome | anyway, if it's 20 | 19:27 |
| knome | we are at, what 737 | 19:27 |
| knome | still 30 to drop | 19:27 |
| knome | what about those two items on the pad? | 19:27 |
| knome | the library docs and the api description | 19:28 |
| micahg | no, those are provided by other packages | 19:29 |
| micahg | actually, I can see what will change | 19:30 |
| knome | oh? :) | 19:30 |
| * micahg can build a new meta | 19:30 | |
| knome | shiny :) | 19:30 |
| knome | WHAT? | 19:34 |
| micahg | hrm, that can't be right | 19:34 |
| knome | 200MB? | 19:34 |
| * micahg tries again | 19:34 | |
| knome | haha.. obviously... | 19:35 |
| knome | would've been too good | 19:35 |
| knome | but doesn't it pull python2? | 19:35 |
| micahg | hrm...idk here | 19:36 |
| micahg | still same results | 19:36 |
| knome | woot | 19:36 |
| micahg | desktop-core probably adds some stuff that's missing maybe | 19:36 |
| knome | if it really clears 200MB... | 19:36 |
| micahg | but I think it's worth a shot | 19:36 |
| knome | ok, let's just drop gimp | 19:37 |
| knome | when will we know? | 19:37 |
| micahg | do we have a simple image editing thing to go in its place? | 19:37 |
| micahg | when the next ISO is made :) | 19:37 |
| knome | no, we don't | 19:37 |
| knome | that was investigated, but there simply isn't good ones | 19:38 |
| micahg | which will be tomorrow morning | 19:38 |
| knome | what's ubuntu shipping? | 19:38 |
| micahg | ok, can we add a simple one in its place? | 19:38 |
| knome | we can, but we need to decide which one | 19:38 |
| knome | not the easiest task... :) | 19:38 |
| micahg | I'm not sure that Ubuntu has one | 19:38 |
| knome | mmh | 19:39 |
| micahg | they have something for photo editing, I don't remember what | 19:39 |
| Unit193 | Bummer, though can you have an installer thingy like Kubuntu and firefox? | 19:39 |
| micahg | no, Kubuntu has that since their default is rekonq | 19:40 |
| knome | doesn't gthumb do some photo stuff? | 19:40 |
| knome | like rotate and that | 19:40 |
| micahg | ok, let's drop gimp and see where we are, then we can add back something for editing before beta 2 | 19:41 |
| knome | micahg, is there some way to check manually how much we would benefit? | 19:42 |
| micahg | yeah, if someone had a proper setup to manually make a CD which I don't, xnox might | 19:42 |
| xnox | nope | 19:42 |
| xnox | JFDI & wait for a daily | 19:42 |
| xnox | folks on -release can do respins as well -/ | 19:43 |
| Sysi | does ubuntu use f-spot? | 19:43 |
| micahg | it should be known around 10AM UTC tomorrow | 19:43 |
| knome | xnox, mind the language;) | 19:44 |
| micahg | it means Just Fplease Do It :) | 19:44 |
| knome | :P | 19:44 |
| micahg | knome: any reason not to upload this + the mahjongg drop? | 19:45 |
| knome | micahg, no | 19:46 |
| knome | micahg, well, users whining but i don't care | 19:46 |
| micahg | ok | 19:46 |
| knome | they'll whine more if we don't fit on a CD | 19:46 |
| micahg | they can still install it | 19:46 |
| knome | exactly | 19:46 |
| micahg | and it's just until we can drop gtk2/python2 | 19:46 |
| elfy | I reallly really really really want my cake and to eat it | 19:47 |
| knome | well.. that could be long | 19:47 |
| knome | micahg, what's still keeping python2? some xfce stuff? | 19:47 |
| micahg | We can make a gimp installer if someone really wants to | 19:47 |
| * micahg isn't sure right now | 19:47 | |
| knome | micahg, we can, but otoh, 12.10 is not an LTS, so there can be "experimental" stuff | 19:48 |
| micahg | xchat | 19:48 |
| micahg | blueman | 19:48 |
| knome | hmph | 19:49 |
| knome | only those? | 19:49 |
| micahg | various GNOMEish things | 19:49 |
| knome | bleh | 19:49 |
| micahg | onboard | 19:49 |
| knome | isn't gnome supposed to have migrated to gtk3? :P | 19:49 |
| knome | oh wait, python2 | 19:49 |
| knome | duh | 19:49 |
| knome | :D | 19:49 |
| micahg | good news is seemingly no xfce stuff is holding it in | 19:50 |
| knome | yeah | 19:51 |
| pnarciso | are you guys still discussing what to drop in xubuntu :) | 19:53 |
| knome | pnarciso, yes | 19:53 |
| pnarciso | difficult decision | 19:54 |
| pnarciso | and how is bug squashing going along | 19:55 |
| knome | slowly progressing | 19:55 |
| pnarciso | I've noticed that a new version of xfce4-settings lands that is supposed to fix the theming issues in the installer | 19:55 |
| knome | uh... i don't think xfce4-settings is supposed to fix it ;) | 19:56 |
| knome | but i might be wrong | 19:56 |
| knome | maybe it is an issue on how to set themes | 19:56 |
| pnarciso | - 03_check-service-name.patch: check that NameOwnerChanged signals are | 19:59 |
| pnarciso | really intended for xfsettingsd (should hopefully fix unthemed/black | 19:59 |
| pnarciso | ubiquity windows). lp: #1010487 | 19:59 |
| knome | k | 19:59 |
| pnarciso | this is part of the changelog of xfce4-settings | 19:59 |
| pnarciso | also another big bug that landed, was USC stopped launching with version 5.3.11 | 20:01 |
| Unit193 | Not an issue. :D | 20:01 |
| pnarciso | well, it is because is the default package manager | 20:02 |
| knome | mr_pouit, feel free to go ahead and upload for bug #1048217 | 20:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1048217 in Ubuntu "[FFe] Re-introduce indicator-sound-gtk2/ido-gtk2" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048217 | 20:41 |
| ochosi | oh nice | 20:42 |
| pnarciso | so, indicator sound was reintroduced, how can I restore it back? | 21:27 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: as long as the status isn't "fix released" the sound indicator hasn't been re-uploaded | 21:31 |
| pnarciso | ok, thanks for the explanation | 21:31 |
| pnarciso | gnome mahjongg and gimp were remove from desktop recommended, though | 21:32 |
| SkippersBoss | gimp removed ? | 21:39 |
| pnarciso | some programs need to be removed to meet the 700mb cd size | 21:40 |
| SkippersBoss | I understand the rational | 21:41 |
| SkippersBoss | but gimp ? was it that big ? | 21:41 |
| micahg | yeah, lots of dependencies | 21:42 |
| SkippersBoss | ow | 21:42 |
| SkippersBoss | gotcha | 21:42 |
| micahg | even it itself is big: apt-cache show gimp | grep ^Size | 21:42 |
| micahg | Size: 5314716 | 21:42 |
| SkippersBoss | are ristretto and gthumb still in ? | 21:44 |
| knome | yes | 21:44 |
| SkippersBoss | How stable is midori as browser. Could it be a substitue for FF ? | 21:45 |
| pnarciso | midori lacks a lot of things | 21:45 |
| SkippersBoss | html5 support u mean | 21:46 |
| pnarciso | even a basic password storage | 21:46 |
| knome | SkippersBoss, if we're going to replace FF, i think it would made sense to rethink TB too, and atm i don't think replacing those would be a good idea | 21:46 |
| SkippersBoss | Thats me told of :-) | 21:47 |
| micahg | yeah, both are pretty big, but it's hard to find better options out there | 21:47 |
| SkippersBoss | not having password storage in a browser is not such a bad thing though in this day and age | 21:47 |
| knome | i believe those applications add to the xubuntu experience a lot | 21:48 |
| pnarciso | With the time I've spent with midori I don't think is a replacement | 21:48 |
| SkippersBoss | yet | 21:49 |
| pnarciso | I would replace FF only with Chromium | 21:49 |
| knome | from my POV, the only considerable option for a browser for xubuntu is midori, but since that's not ready for it yet, i'll rather stick with FF | 21:50 |
| SkippersBoss | ah | 21:50 |
| SkippersBoss | :-) | 21:50 |
| knome | well, that being said, anything is up for discussion | 21:50 |
| knome | but i believe it doesn't make much sense to change to a different browser that has the same functionality, or a bit worse, since our users are accustomed to firefox | 21:51 |
| knome | midori is a completely different thing, because it's supposed to be much lighter | 21:51 |
| Unit193 | Try xxxterm as a nice alternate browser (not for Xubu, for yourself. :P ) | 21:51 |
| SkippersBoss | So its not totally out. I m using it since opera keeps crashing. But yep it still needs some work done to it | 21:51 |
| knome | however, it doesn't "do it" yet | 21:51 |
| bluesabre | And firefox guarantees that it will be current release throughout its lifetime | 21:51 |
| pnarciso | yes, midori is less resource intensive but it's way behind in features and the level of maintenance of firefox is much higher | 21:54 |
| knome | we shouldn't compare midori (or other candidates) to FF or other "popular" browsers, we should compare them to the requirements we have in mind | 21:55 |
| knome | eg. "which features should a web browser in xubuntu have" | 21:56 |
| SkippersBoss | pnarciso, I think knome made sence when he said that Yes midori is a consideration for XU but it is not there yet | 21:56 |
| SkippersBoss | hear hear | 21:56 |
| knome | well, that should always be the starting point for any application that is considered for inclusion :9 | 21:57 |
| knome | :) | 21:57 |
| pnarciso | I only wish that flash was abandoned completely, because it's not supported anymore in linux unless chrome is installed | 21:57 |
| knome | i'm hoping that flash will generally phase out | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | Yes, please | 21:57 |
| knome | but that doesn't have much to do with xubuntu :) | 21:57 |
| SkippersBoss | that's why opera keeps crashing :-( | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | Maybe by the next LTS, Flash will be gone. | 21:57 |
| pnarciso | I hope so | 21:58 |
| micahg | nah, flash has about 4.5 years of life left | 21:58 |
| micahg | when 11.2 is EOL, it won't be viable since it'll be chromium only | 21:58 |
| pnarciso | it's buggy on linux and adobe never bothered to fix it | 21:58 |
| micahg | or PPAPI only rather | 21:58 |
| knome | micahg, probably until it's dead for good, but i think/hope web designers will start to phase out from it with the new html5 stuff :) | 21:59 |
| pnarciso | html5 is much faster | 21:59 |
| bluesabre | I'm a fan of anything that doesn't make my laptop a hovercraft | 22:00 |
| knome | bluesabre, that just sounds like you need to buy a new laptop ;) | 22:00 |
| knome | another way of fixing the issue | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, well, that requires money :D | 22:00 |
| SkippersBoss | Grows on trees bluesabre | 22:01 |
| SkippersBoss | lol | 22:01 |
| pnarciso | They just announced more austerity measures in my country, so we keep gaining less and less... | 22:02 |
| SkippersBoss | not only in your country | 22:02 |
| pnarciso | this is full of corrupt politicians | 22:04 |
| SkippersBoss | lets take that discussion to OT | 22:04 |
| pnarciso | it's better :) | 22:05 |
| pnarciso | I was testing midori againt FF and midori must have some memory leaks because it takes 370 mb of ram compared to FF which take 120 playing the same youtube video | 22:23 |
| mr_pouit | knome: ido-gtk2 and indicator-sound-gtk2 uploaded and waiting in new. Apparently cjwatson could review them if you ask him kindly :P | 22:23 |
| mr_pouit | thanks. | 22:23 |
| knome | np | 22:23 |
| knome | mr_pouit, poked cjwatson | 22:24 |
| mr_pouit | awesome | 22:24 |
| knome | <: | 22:24 |
| SkippersBoss | pnarciso, midori is not a finished product yet. but in the near future hopefully there to replace FF | 22:25 |
| mr_pouit | knome: micahg: also, you're going to hate me, but I'm going to waste some iso space to reinclude indicator-{application,sound}-gtk2 and xfce4-indicator-plugin by default /o\ | 22:25 |
| knome | mr_pouit, ahhaha, how much? :P | 22:25 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: nah, should be fine hopefully | 22:26 |
| knome | but yeah, we probablt want those anyway | 22:26 |
| pnarciso | so sound indicator is reintroduced, is there any hope for messaging? | 22:27 |
| knome | pnarciso, check the status with bluesabre | 22:27 |
| SkippersBoss | euh have we dropped pidgin as well ? | 22:27 |
| knome | SkippersBoss, no? | 22:27 |
| SkippersBoss | Pfew | 22:28 |
| knome | what made you think we did? | 22:28 |
| SkippersBoss | pnarciso> so sound indicator is reintroduced, is there any hope for messaging? | 22:28 |
| SkippersBoss | my bad | 22:28 |
| mr_pouit | (there's no hope for indicator-messages afaik, it won't work with xfce4-panel) | 22:28 |
| pnarciso | and xfce 4.12 won't have gtk3 support :( | 22:30 |
| knome | mr_pouit, well yeah unless bluesabre makes it work ;] | 22:30 |
| pnarciso | my workaround for mail indicator, is to install a TB extension for it | 22:34 |
| SkippersBoss | hmm. the indicator stack is getting pretty crowded.. Maybe we could thing of having wome kind of drawer/bubble instead in the future | 22:39 |
| SkippersBoss | some kind | 22:42 |
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