[02:16] <bkm> is there any way to get network-manager to start in lubuntu? i'm not really sure what it is, but i have some instructions that apparently work well with network-manager.
[02:47] <kanliot> bkm, network manager should be automatic.
[02:48] <bkm> not for me
[02:49] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager0.7/#Installation
[02:50] <bkm> kanliot: thanks, i will look
[02:50] <kanliot> any guesses why you don't have it on lxpanel?
[02:51] <bkm> it seems pretty fragile. it seems a problem for people.
[02:51] <kanliot> i disagree
[02:51] <bkm> well, then what are all these people doing wrong?
[02:52] <bkm> i don't have as much trouble with, e. g., `ls`, but ls is perhaps simpler than NetworkManager
[02:54] <kanliot> where are you in your problem-solving?
[02:55] <bkm> i'm looking at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1550776 <- it was set to managed=false. so, maybe setting it to true will do wonders
[02:58] <kanliot> any idea why netowrk manager wasn't starting?
[02:58] <bkm> no
[02:58] <bkm> i don't even know that it wasn't starting
[02:58] <kanliot> can you click on it
[02:58] <bkm> click?
[02:59] <kanliot> should be the network icon on the lower right
[02:59] <bkm> i don't see such
[03:00] <Unit193> Click the blank area, that's where it always is for me. :P
[03:00] <Unit193> It's there for me, just can't see the icon.
[03:02] <bkm> i see a blank section in the middle of about 40% of the lower `bar`
[03:02] <kanliot> should be right of the volume control
[03:03] <bkm> not there
[03:03] <kanliot> pgrep nm-app -l
[03:04] <kanliot> that lists it if it's running
[03:04] <bkm> returns nothing
[03:04] <kanliot> ok
[03:04] <kanliot> run nm-applet
[03:04] <bkm> (nm-applet:3632): GConf-WARNING **: Directory `/apps/nm-applet' was not being monitored by GConfClient 0x9408a38
[03:05] <kanliot> can you clikc on it now?
[03:05] <bkm> there is no it
[03:05] <bkm> i have never seen that icon
[03:06] <bkm> panel preferences does not mention it
[03:06] <kanliot> did it give any other errors, or is it still running?
[03:07] <bkm> bunch of other errors
[03:07] <kanliot> it's not in preferences
[03:07] <kanliot> so it's running
[03:07] <kanliot> ?
[03:07] <bkm> not running
[03:09] <kanliot> $ lspci | grep -i eth
[03:09] <kanliot> try that
[03:10] <kanliot> make sure you have a network card
[03:10] <bkm> 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 0c)
[03:10] <bkm> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Xircom Cardbus Ethernet 10/100 (rev 03)
[03:10] <bkm> amazing! it found the onboard!
[03:12] <kanliot> sudo service network-manager start
[03:12] <kanliot> try that
[03:13] <bkm> start: Job is already running: network-manager
[03:14] <kanliot> what happened when you tried to start nm-applet?
[03:15] <bkm> bunch of error messages terminating in (nm-applet:3632): GConf-WARNING **: Directory `/apps/nm-applet' was not being monitored by GConfClient 0x9408a38
[03:15] <kanliot> then what
[03:16] <bkm> i think it just hung. did not return to a prompt
[03:16] <kanliot> see if you can click on it in the panel
[03:17] <bkm> there is nothing in the panel to click on
[03:18] <kanliot> is it still hung?
[03:19] <bkm> i ^C it some time ago
[03:19] <kanliot> well don't do that
[03:19] <kanliot> you're killing it
[03:35] <bkm> i rebooted and i see it with the wrong icon. it seems to be network manager, however
[03:35] <bkm> thanks, kanliot. i hate to reboot, but maybe i had something evil that was not making itself obvious
[03:36] <kanliot> yah gl man
[03:37] <bkm> that instruction about setting managed=true may have been the one. it did say to reboot.
[03:37] <bkm> i wonder what set managed=false...
[03:38] <kanliot> if it happens again, file a bug
[03:38] <bkm> couldn't really claim that my system is fresh. i may have installed something half-baked along the way.
[07:01] <bkm> can anyone try a worldcat.org link from the lubuntu version of chromium? i can see the entire page with firefox, but not chromium.
[11:32] <bike> hey. i get a "not authorized" when i try to reboot lubuntu, any clues?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> try:  sudo reboot
[11:45] <bike> i know that works, but its not very userfriendly , atleast not since this is my sisters laptop
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> are there bugs reported?
[11:50] <bike> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2014361 and some on suspend/hibernate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/961122
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> then its a known issue, subscribe to the bug and you can see how it progresses, also add that you are affected
[11:52] <bike> hrm , it works in debian. cant be that hard to fix
[13:40] <econdudeawesome> hwody all. Anyone know how to get openbox working with dual screens if building up from ubuntu minimal?
[13:40] <econdudeawesome> I ask because I figure the process would be similar for lubuntu...
[18:03] <wxl> hey folks, did we get rid of software sources in quantal? is the only way to access it in synaptic?
[18:26] <wxl> alternately, does anyone know of a command (read: not gui, not synaptic) to add a downloaded gpg key for a ppa? (yes, i know about the add-apt-repository command)
[18:28] <holstein> wxl: can you do it in synaptic?
[18:28] <holstein> wxl: lol... just read.. but, synaptic does that right?
[18:28] <wxl> should yes
[18:28] <wxl> basically i'm trying to figure out some solution
[18:28] <wxl> for me add-apt is broken and so is synaptic
[18:28] <holstein> yeah... im not coming up with anything off my hat
[18:29] <wxl> i'm looking at the code of add-apt now not knowing crap about python
[18:37] <Unit193> sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 313D312748A22A95; gpg --export --armor 313D312748A22A95 | sudo apt-key add -
[18:37] <Unit193> wxl: That?  Or something else?
[18:37] <wxl> that's the one
[18:38] <wxl> i was just getting to the part in softwareproperties.py where that was starting to make sense XD
[18:40] <wxl> one ? tho Unit193: if i'm trying to get this http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x91732A319F3E38EEEDBDF51AC8BEB4C320E36F2F&op=index how do i refer to it? as 1024R/20E36F2F where you have 313D312748A22A95?
[18:43] <Unit193> You can always apt-get update to see what key is missing.
[18:44] <wxl> oh! cool
[18:44] <wxl> you're today's hero
[18:44] <wxl> i'm trying to track down two bugs and meanwhile propose a reasonable workaround
[18:45] <Unit193> I added an unreasonable one to a bug report, I used it.
[18:46] <wxl> do tell
[18:46] <nightcrawler786> when I try to remove firefox lubuntu removes it but then downloads epiphany and vice versa
[18:46] <nightcrawler786> I want to remove the web browsers, how can I do that
[18:47] <holstein> nightcrawler786: i would search in the package manger of your choice, maybe synaptic, and just remove them
[18:47] <Unit193> nightcrawler786: Try removing them both in the same command, sudo apt-get purge epiphany firefox  (think there were more you had to do...)
[18:47] <wxl> although my guess is some metapackage probably requires a browser, no?
[18:48] <wxl> oh yikes
[18:48] <wxl> is that in quantal?
[18:49] <wxl> oops
[18:49] <nightcrawler786> Unit193, that worked :)
[18:49] <nightcrawler786> Unit193, didn't think I could remove a package that wasn't installed
[18:50] <Unit193> nightcrawler786: You can't exactly, but then it won't install.
[18:50] <nightcrawler786> Unit193, yeah makes sense
[18:52] <silverarrow> hi
[18:53] <silverarrow> I have had troubles with gome mplayer and gecko on powerpc, and now it suddenly works!!??
[18:53] <silverarrow> I can stream TV on powerpc
[18:58] <silverarrow> hi margo
[19:45] <silverarrow> jeg ødela oppsettet
[21:01] <silverarrow> anyone of the clever guys here?
[21:02] <holstein> clever ppc users?
[21:02] <silverarrow> yes like youi
[21:02] <silverarrow> ;- )
[21:02] <silverarrow> any lubuntu user really
[21:03] <silverarrow> I have made something work, but I ruined it
[21:03] <silverarrow> holstein, do you have four minutes?
[21:03] <holstein> sure.. whats up?
[21:03] <silverarrow> I have worked with gnome mplayer and gecko to stream TV and different videos on the web
[21:03] <silverarrow> not a chance on ppc
[21:04] <silverarrow> for some reason
[21:04] <silverarrow> I tried all the mplayers
[21:04] <silverarrow> I did  a clean install to get default setup even
[21:04] <silverarrow> a couple of weeks ago I installed totem
[21:04] <silverarrow> didn`t work any better
[21:05] <silverarrow> Totem ended up as default player, but I could double finger click in the totem window and open in gnome mplayer
[21:05] <silverarrow> suddenly I tried this today and it streamed the local TV channel
[21:05] <holstein> interesting
[21:06] <silverarrow> it is not ppc that is imossible I think
[21:06] <silverarrow> it is some kind of missing lib or app or something
[21:06] <holstein> nothing is impossible... its just not well supported anymore
[21:06] <silverarrow> I managed to ruin it though
[21:06] <holstein> and when it isnt working, theres like 4 people worldwide who would care or notice
[21:07] <silverarrow> I was rather happy with the tv functions, and tried making gnome mplayer default player
[21:07] <silverarrow> well, never mine those
[21:07] <silverarrow> mind*
[21:08] <silverarrow> however, I know a fix is there
[21:09] <silverarrow> and I know several who would be interested in the fix
[21:09] <silverarrow> if I only could figure out why it suddenly streamed fine
[21:09] <holstein> maybe its your connection?
[21:09] <silverarrow> getting mplayer and gecko to stream well on ppc would be great
[21:10] <silverarrow> no, I doubt it , the gnome mplayer streams fine on regular pc
[21:10] <silverarrow> however, connection matters of course
[21:11] <silverarrow> it was like gnome mplayer just cut off, and didn`t even attempt to load the site
[21:11] <silverarrow> stream I mean
[21:11] <holstein> but it was working fine one time?
[21:11] <holstein> did you upgrade?
[21:12] <silverarrow> well, until I got the idea to make gnome mplayer defaul player in browser again
[21:12] <silverarrow> no
[21:12] <silverarrow> well, I have the 1.0.6 player
[21:12] <silverarrow> but it didn`t work any different than 1.0.5 really
[21:12] <silverarrow> it was after I installed totem, and not sure what made it work
[21:13] <holstein> silverarrow: i dont think the "default" player thing has anything to do with it
[21:13] <silverarrow> it is a small hickup in pps is that needs attention
[21:13] <silverarrow> no, but when I removed totem package it got messed up again
[21:13] <silverarrow> gnome mplayer doesn`t even show in browser anymore
[21:14] <holstein> you can always look at the depends for totem
[21:14] <holstein> reinstall it and check
[21:15] <holstein> get it working and *dont* do anything... *ever*
[21:15] <silverarrow> lol
[21:16] <silverarrow> lubuntu has a secret life of its` own
[21:16] <silverarrow> not even the packagers or devs and a clue
[21:17] <holstein> especially the PPC stuff
[21:17] <holstein> do we know who is packaging the ppc stuff?
[21:18] <silverarrow> not sure
[21:18] <silverarrow> there are at least two guys on the ubuntu team
[21:19] <silverarrow> I even talked to one of them
[21:19] <silverarrow> on the testing channel
[21:19] <silverarrow> though he didn`t have much patience for mplayer issues
[21:34] <holstein> depends on how you ask... you can always offer to learn and try and help
[21:37] <silverarrow> yeah, probably
[21:38] <silverarrow> I probably made the explanation too detailed
[21:38] <holstein> well, they are just repackaging apps
[21:38] <silverarrow> or really, he didn`t worke much with mplayer
[21:38] <holstein> mplayer doesnt work with mplayer ppc ;)
[21:39] <silverarrow> it just might do !!
[21:39] <silverarrow> it really should you know
[21:39] <silverarrow> it is soooo close to working
[21:40] <silverarrow> and I had it there for a while until I started messing with it
[21:40] <silverarrow> i think the issue can be identifications of codecs
[23:46] <bkm> thank you to whoever made chromium work with lubuntu. i wish it would work with more web sites, but it's nice that it doesn't immediately run the machine out of memory as with about all other alternatives