[18:34] ᴞ [21:09] why is "service" management virtually non-existant on ubuntu for such a long time? i realize upstart is the major stumbling block. [21:22] what is this monster of a channel [21:25] What do you mean with service management zykotick9 ? [21:26] i want ssh to start on boot, or i don't. [21:26] pre-upstart there was a default "services" menu item, that allowed for gui adminstration of services. since upstart there isn't. [21:26] Ah, and you want a graphical front-end to configure that? [21:29] no. i'm just curious why ubuntu users aren't expected to want to do any "service management" operations. [21:30] i could still have the gnome2 gui if i wanted to. i run debian-stable. i have numberous service-management options on my distro. as does basically every other distro i know, but not ubuntu.