[18:34] <pterodactyl> ᴞ
[21:09] <zykotick9> why is "service" management virtually non-existant on ubuntu for such a long time?  i realize upstart is the major stumbling block.
[21:22] <jrib> what is this monster of a channel
[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> What do you mean with service management zykotick9 ?
[21:26] <zykotick9> i want ssh to start on boot, or i don't.
[21:26] <zykotick9> pre-upstart there was a default "services" menu item, that allowed for gui adminstration of services.  since upstart there isn't.
[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, and you want a graphical front-end to configure that?
[21:29] <zykotick9> no.  i'm just curious why ubuntu users aren't expected to want to do any "service management" operations.
[21:30] <zykotick9> i could still have the gnome2 gui if i wanted to.  i run debian-stable.  i have numberous service-management options on my distro.  as does basically every other distro i know, but not ubuntu.