[00:46] <ibeardslee> quantal unity gui in KVM has some degree of less than desirable
[01:19]  * ibeardslee wonders what it would take to maintain Sunbird with the updates going into the Lightning plugin
[01:23] <ajmitch> probably more than you'd like
[01:24] <ibeardslee> yeah .. a quick look looks like it won't be simple
[01:25] <ibeardslee> maybe the trick would be just to nag Mozilla about lightning being treated as a component rather than an extension
[01:28] <ajmitch> given their lack of ongoing thunderbird development, don't get your hopes up
[01:30] <ibeardslee> so is thunderbird going to be dropped as the default mail client in Ubuntu?
[01:33]  * ajmitch shrugs
[01:35]  * ibeardslee wishes he had the $$ to throw at something (well many things) and say 'this needs to be sorted'
[01:36] <ajmitch> throwing money at things without adequate direction can lead to all sorts of issues :)
[01:37] <ibeardslee> true, but you gotta ask about the sanity of throwing Thunderbird as an Evolution replacement, without actually finishing the job.
[01:39]  * ibeardslee is just a bit whiny while trying to build an sane default desktop build for staff.
[01:39] <chilts> is there such a thing as a standard desktop inside Catalyst?
[01:40] <ibeardslee> ish.  When people start they have a machine built for them .. that's the default.
[01:41] <ibeardslee> a lot of people rebuild/reinstall, but there are more and more people that aren't the hacker type and just want to be able to work
[01:41] <ibeardslee> plus, our process of creating our own 'standard' desktop with easy to use and configure setups means that we have a knowledge base for doing the same elsewhere.
[01:42] <chilts> true
[01:42] <chilts> I guess as the company gets larger with more non-technical people, it makes sense
[01:42] <chilts> even with technical people too I suppose
[19:55] <chilts> morning
[19:56] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:00] <ojwb> morning
[20:44] <chilts> and what a lovely one it is too
[20:45] <chilts> shame I'm in a "team building" exercise for the next 4 hours
[20:45] <chilts> at least it's chargeable :)
[20:50] <ojwb> not an outdoor team building exercise I take it?
[20:55] <ajmitch> morning
[20:59] <chilts> ojwb: yeah, indoors
[20:59] <chilts> in a small room, lots of people, getting hotter
[21:12] <thumper> morning
[21:35] <kcj> Morning.
[23:40] <ajmitch> fmarier: for some reason I had someone emailing me about fcheck & the deprecation warning you fixed several months ago
[23:40] <ajmitch> I'm guessing that it's not really a important bug to fix in 12.04
[23:40] <fmarier> ajmitch: the one i put in my PPA?
[23:41] <ajmitch> I synced fcheck from debian a long time ago, I can't see anywhere that'd list me as maintainer :)
[23:41] <ajmitch> but the version in precise still throws that deprecation warning, I think
[23:42] <fmarier> yeah
[23:42] <fmarier> it's one of those annoying problems where technically it's just a warning and doesn't break anything
[23:42] <ajmitch> but it's annoying enough to spam you every day?
[23:43] <fmarier> but in practice, because of the cron email spammage, it means you pretty much install the package from my PPA or you stop using fcheck
[23:43] <ajmitch> so it might be worth fixing for 12.04 still, since it really lowers the value of a warning system that cries wolf all the time
[23:43] <fmarier> IIRC, it spams you everytime fcheck runs (every 6-12 hours)
[23:44] <fmarier> i think it's worth fixing. given that the fix is just a sync from debian
[23:45] <fmarier> that's all I did and it's been working fine for a few months
[23:45] <ajmitch> sorry that the bug wasn't spotted before precise was released :)
[23:50] <fmarier> looking at my PPA, there's two more packages with cron spam: rkhunter (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rkhunter/+bug/883324) and popularity-contest (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/popularity-contest/+bug/858697)
[23:51] <fmarier> they are not as straightforward as fcheck though because the packages in Debian have more changes