[00:46] quantal unity gui in KVM has some degree of less than desirable [01:19] * ibeardslee wonders what it would take to maintain Sunbird with the updates going into the Lightning plugin [01:23] probably more than you'd like [01:24] yeah .. a quick look looks like it won't be simple [01:25] maybe the trick would be just to nag Mozilla about lightning being treated as a component rather than an extension [01:28] given their lack of ongoing thunderbird development, don't get your hopes up [01:30] so is thunderbird going to be dropped as the default mail client in Ubuntu? [01:33] * ajmitch shrugs [01:35] * ibeardslee wishes he had the $$ to throw at something (well many things) and say 'this needs to be sorted' [01:36] throwing money at things without adequate direction can lead to all sorts of issues :) [01:37] true, but you gotta ask about the sanity of throwing Thunderbird as an Evolution replacement, without actually finishing the job. [01:39] * ibeardslee is just a bit whiny while trying to build an sane default desktop build for staff. [01:39] is there such a thing as a standard desktop inside Catalyst? [01:40] ish. When people start they have a machine built for them .. that's the default. [01:41] a lot of people rebuild/reinstall, but there are more and more people that aren't the hacker type and just want to be able to work [01:41] plus, our process of creating our own 'standard' desktop with easy to use and configure setups means that we have a knowledge base for doing the same elsewhere. [01:42] true [01:42] I guess as the company gets larger with more non-technical people, it makes sense [01:42] even with technical people too I suppose [19:55] morning [19:56] morning [20:00] morning [20:44] and what a lovely one it is too [20:45] shame I'm in a "team building" exercise for the next 4 hours [20:45] at least it's chargeable :) [20:50] not an outdoor team building exercise I take it? [20:55] morning [20:59] ojwb: yeah, indoors [20:59] in a small room, lots of people, getting hotter [21:12] morning [21:35] Morning. [23:40] fmarier: for some reason I had someone emailing me about fcheck & the deprecation warning you fixed several months ago [23:40] I'm guessing that it's not really a important bug to fix in 12.04 [23:40] ajmitch: the one i put in my PPA? [23:41] I synced fcheck from debian a long time ago, I can't see anywhere that'd list me as maintainer :) [23:41] but the version in precise still throws that deprecation warning, I think [23:42] yeah [23:42] it's one of those annoying problems where technically it's just a warning and doesn't break anything [23:42] but it's annoying enough to spam you every day? [23:43] but in practice, because of the cron email spammage, it means you pretty much install the package from my PPA or you stop using fcheck [23:43] so it might be worth fixing for 12.04 still, since it really lowers the value of a warning system that cries wolf all the time [23:43] IIRC, it spams you everytime fcheck runs (every 6-12 hours) [23:44] i think it's worth fixing. given that the fix is just a sync from debian [23:45] that's all I did and it's been working fine for a few months [23:45] sorry that the bug wasn't spotted before precise was released :) [23:50] looking at my PPA, there's two more packages with cron spam: rkhunter (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rkhunter/+bug/883324) and popularity-contest (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/popularity-contest/+bug/858697) [23:51] they are not as straightforward as fcheck though because the packages in Debian have more changes