[09:44] <mvo> jibel: hi, I was looking at the adt output and something looks a bit suspicious http://paste.ubuntu.com/1196352/ - are you aware of this? in the software-center ouptut
[11:53] <jibel> mvo, Hey, am I aware of the failure of s-c tests or "chmod: cannot access `/var/crash/*': No such file or directory" ?
[11:54] <jibel> the latter uses || true so it is not fatal if there is no crash file
[12:21] <mvo> jibel: hm, ok, odd, it seems to exit with exit-code 4 before actually running any tests
[12:25] <jibel> mvo, I believe it is because the script is run with -x, output goes to stderr and is  considered as a failure per dep8 spec.
[12:25] <jibel> mvo, it is pure speculation and unverified
[15:28] <smartboyhw> balloons: ping?
[15:36] <smartboyhw> balloons: PING?
[15:52] <balloons> knome, phillw, noskcaj, pleia2 looks looks like an exciting weekend
[16:06] <SergioMeneses> balloons, did you participate of the ugj?
[16:06] <SergioMeneses> hello, btw
[16:09] <balloons> SergioMeneses, yes.. I setup some stuff to help give people some QA stuff to do, but pleia2 executed on it :-) so props to her!
[16:09] <balloons> also, I helped my wife make some cupcakes to celebrate ubuntu
[16:09] <SergioMeneses> :O
[16:09] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/104307250302998042813/posts/aMB1wGb4G8P
[16:10] <SergioMeneses> cupcakes :)
[16:10] <balloons> yes, I forgot.. I really have to show knomehis logo in a cupcake
[16:12] <SergioMeneses> mmm... that reminds me I have to download the daily
[16:22] <balloons> SergioMeneses, were you able to celebrate ubuntu?
[16:27] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I didn't I was working all saturday :S
[16:28] <balloons> sorry to hear that :-(
[16:28] <balloons> but your still at it now :-)
[16:28] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sure
[16:30] <SergioMeneses> I expect to make more contributions:  testing, translations or bugs
[16:31] <SergioMeneses> balloons, are you part of ubuntu-laptop-testing?
[16:31] <balloons> SergioMeneses, no.. I only have a chromebook atm
[16:31] <balloons> but I do run ubuntu on it.. heh
[16:31] <SergioMeneses> :O
[16:55] <pleia2> it was fun :) not many people ended up actually using the global jam packages testing but people thought it was cool and a nice option if they weren't installing on hardware or in a VM (most were)
[17:28] <balloons> pleia2, :-) Just happy wanted to give folks options.. glad things workedout
[18:03] <wxl> win 2
[18:03] <wxl> oops
[21:02] <silverarrow> is anyone on lubuntu here?
[21:02] <silverarrow> oh, sorry, wrong room
[21:07] <phillw> silverarrow: well, I am here, but #lubuntu is the best channel :)
[21:08] <silverarrow> arguably
[21:09] <phillw> he he, else use the QA Mailng list if it is QA / Bug related.
[21:09] <phillw> *L-QA*
[21:11] <phillw> silverarrow: wxl and unit193 appear as on-line
[21:20] <silverarrow> I suddenly had gnome mplayer steaming the local tv channel here
[21:20] <silverarrow> not sure why it worked but it did
[21:21] <silverarrow> I messed it up though
[21:22] <silverarrow> I had installed Totem to see if it was any difference
[21:23] <silverarrow> it wasn`t really
[21:24] <silverarrow> I could open gnome mplayer trough double finger clicking on the  black totem screen
[21:24] <silverarrow> that is how I discovered it suddenly worked
[21:25] <silverarrow> not sure why it did now, because I had tried before
[21:25] <silverarrow> I got the idea to get gnome mplayer back to default player in browser
[21:25] <silverarrow> and ruined the whole thing
[21:25] <silverarrow> now there are no player in browser at all
[21:25] <silverarrow> !"#¤%&/(
[21:27] <phillw> hmm.. well there is an old saying... "If it ain't broken, don't try and fix it".
[21:28] <phillw> silverarrow: can you repeat the experiment?
[21:28] <silverarrow> well it was a bit cumbersom setup
[21:29] <silverarrow> i have to don`t I
[21:29] <phillw> detail everything!
[21:29] <silverarrow> I am not a wizz like you
[21:29] <silverarrow> I use package manager lol
[21:30] <phillw> silverarrow: I'm no wizz, I assure you. Just write down everything you do. It may be of help to the devs, as they can put traces on as to what the steps do.
[21:30] <silverarrow> and I call on lasall for help
[21:30] <silverarrow> and you
[21:31] <silverarrow> I have been on this for ages
[21:31] <silverarrow> It`s just that I had a feeling it was sooooo close to working
[21:32] <phillw> even if they cannot get too much info from it; you have a proposed work around, which is always good until a bug is squished.
[21:32] <balloons> repeatability is the key
[21:32] <balloons> if you can repeat it, it's much easier to understand and fix
[21:32] <silverarrow>  I know what I have done sort of
[21:32] <phillw> silverarrow: say hello to the boss of QA :)
[21:32] <silverarrow> which apps and packages I have installed
[21:33] <silverarrow> hi balloons
[21:33] <phillw> silverarrow: detail everything you do, on a per click basis. It will be a long list; but it must have EVERYTHING detailed in it.
[21:34] <silverarrow> oh
[21:34] <silverarrow> I see
[21:34] <phillw> every letter, which sites etc.
[21:34] <silverarrow> I shall do that
[21:34] <balloons> phillw, lol
[21:34] <balloons> silverarrow, hello
[21:35] <silverarrow> getting gnome player to work would be a big plus for ppc linux
[21:35] <phillw> balloons: silverarrow is a new member of Lubuntu testing, you saw him last when we 'kidnapped' this channel for the ppc testing session.
[21:36] <balloons> yes I remember
[21:41] <silverarrow> I think the issue can be related to identification or handeling of different codecs
[21:44] <phillw> silverarrow: I've got be honest... I'm not a fan of g-media player. I use VLC as it installs with the codecs. This is not allowed under *buntu as some codecs are not open source. did you install the lubuntu-restricted-extras package before you installed totem, etc? This is the information the devs do need.
[21:46] <silverarrow> well, I would be happy with vlc too, if it worked
[21:46] <silverarrow> it just doesn`t
[21:47] <phillw> silverarrow: so, you seem to have the best option... just don't break it again :P
[21:47] <silverarrow> yes, all conceivable packages and extras
[21:47] <silverarrow> however, the totem install must have done something
[21:48]  * silverarrow is of to reinstall totem packages
[21:48] <phillw> silverarrow: indeed it must. So write everything down, including when you go to make a cup of coffee. It has to be repeatable
[21:48] <silverarrow> I wonder why gnone mplayer has to be on top of totem to stream though ?
[21:49] <phillw> silverarrow: that is  not for us to work out... that's why we have devs :D
[21:50] <silverarrow> lubuntu ppc has a life of it`s own
[21:50] <silverarrow> not even the devs have a clue
[21:50] <phillw> for bug hunting, they are like Johnny 5 .... need input :D
[21:50] <silverarrow> lol
[21:52] <phillw> silverarrow: Julien runs ppc under a VM, it is he who wrote up the qemu stuff for the testing page. You guys with that actual hardware have to give the devs every scrap of information you have.
[21:57] <silverarrow> I am always very impressed by these guys
[21:59] <phillw> they are a part of makes ubuntu, but they freely say that if it were not for the testers, releases would not happen.
[21:59] <phillw> we are a family, each doing their best.
[21:59] <silverarrow> and it works !!!!!
[22:01] <silverarrow> maybe it is the totem mozilla plugin that works and gnome sort of works through totem?
[22:02] <silverarrow> I know some of the mozilla plugin packages are broken for ppc
[22:02] <silverarrow> like gnash
[22:03] <silverarrow> I will happily do testing
[22:04] <silverarrow> these old ppcs, take a minute to boot
[22:04] <silverarrow> the new ones like 18 seconds
[22:05] <phillw> indeed, can you post up what you did to L-QA mailing list so the other ppc testers can confirm, thanks.
[22:06] <silverarrow> oh yes, the mailing list, I don`t think I ever got on it
[22:06] <phillw> silverarrow: at the point of ppc's we are not attempting to break world records of fastest booting computer :D
[22:06] <silverarrow> no lol
[22:06] <phillw> silverarrow: join https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
[22:07] <silverarrow> I am not bothered by one minute though
[22:07] <phillw> i'll approve as soon as it arrives on my system.
[22:09] <silverarrow> there
[22:10] <silverarrow> ubuntu can`t be any worse than debian really
[22:10] <phillw> silverarrow: 2blue?
[22:10] <silverarrow> yes
[22:10] <phillw> approved
[22:10] <silverarrow> I registered ages ago, and sort of forgot about it
[22:11] <silverarrow> then when I returned to ubuntu i registered on irc, not even thinking about any connection
[22:11] <phillw> join the mailing list, QA is not that busy a listing but it is the haunt of ppc people
[22:11] <silverarrow> and I got tired of the 2blue nick lol
[22:12] <phillw> the devs are also on that list, so we can directly flag them when needed.
[22:12] <silverarrow> my name is arild
[22:12] <phillw> *L-QA*
[22:13] <phillw> I saw at the application, hence my asking if it was the correct person :)
[22:15] <silverarrow> is there a way for me to have my name in stead of the old nick?
[22:15] <silverarrow> never mind, not that important
[22:28] <phillw> silverarrow: you can change your https://launchpad.net/~arild-lindseth name by begging on the #launchpad channel (I use begging loosely, but you do have to ask really nicely and be patient).
[22:29] <silverarrow> I will
[22:29] <silverarrow> thanks
[22:30] <phillw> as you only have one registered channel, they should be able to do it. You would then need to re apply for L-QA membership from what I understand of how it all works. Let them know I am okay with that.
[22:40] <silverarrow> do I post my findings on gnome mplayer on the mailinglist ?
[22:41] <silverarrow> is that the correct use of it I mean?
[22:41] <phillw> silverarrow: yes please. How did you get on with #launchpad?
[22:41] <silverarrow> I just logged in
[22:41] <silverarrow> I made an account ages go
[22:42] <silverarrow> not using it that much really
[22:42] <silverarrow> there used to be more bugs then I think
[22:42] <phillw> silverarrow: posting up test results that cannot be fully put into a bug report is a perfect way of honing the bug down. Once it has been refined, a bug report can be raised.
[22:43] <silverarrow> should I address it to one of the ppc guys?
[22:43] <silverarrow> which of them care about ppc and mplayer?
[22:44] <phillw> nope, L-QA is a small mailing list, just title it as PPC and mplayer so the PPC guys know it is more important to them.
[22:44] <phillw> silverarrow: we're currently at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[22:45] <phillw> A bug will have to be raised once we are settled on it and it can be repeated.
[22:45] <silverarrow> I can`t really
[22:45] <silverarrow> I am happy to test though as soon as I can install
[22:45] <silverarrow> for the 12.10 version
[22:46] <silverarrow> I have the 1.0.6 packages of gnome and gecko, but I am still in 12.04
[22:46] <silverarrow> the testing was live cd earlier
[22:47] <phillw> that is why I said to email up your findings so the other testers can have a 'play' with it :)
[22:48] <silverarrow> and I don`t think the installer bug has been fixed,
[22:48] <silverarrow> I am rather eager to install the 12.10 beta
[22:49] <silverarrow> I totally ditched osx and went for lubuntu
[22:49] <silverarrow> not many does that
[22:49] <silverarrow> even on ppc
[22:50] <silverarrow> oh, of course
[22:51] <phillw> silverarrow: the installer bugs both fell on about the same day, two different bugs; both were killers. We were unfortunate that two critical bugs took out the same architecture. My friend, I assure you that we went beyond the absolute time cut off before we had to say we did not a have a ppc for Beta 1.
[22:52] <phillw> But, as the boss said... it is only Beta 1, we have a Beta2 coming up at end of month & there is a commitment to squish both. In two - three days of them both landing, we simply ran out of time.
[22:54] <phillw> the installer bugs are both critical, and are being treated as such.
[23:22] <silverarrow> I see
[23:22] <silverarrow> beta 2 should be sufficient hopefully
[23:22] <silverarrow> there is no way about the installer bug?
[23:29] <phillw> silverarrow: the x.org one does not appear what was 1st thought.
[23:30] <phillw> something changed that affected the hardware but not the VM's. This is why it is so critical for you with the hardware to detail stuff up for the devs.
[23:31] <phillw> There is no doubt it is a regression, but on what... we need to find out.
[23:33] <phillw> alpha 3 installed okay. Beta 1 does not, so something got majorly broken.
[23:34] <phillw> balloons: btw, what is the word on switching from milestone to cadence testing?
[23:53] <wxl> o/
[23:53]  * wxl pokes silverarrow