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hamitronwell00:00
hamitronit is gonna be win95c, win98se or winME00:00
hamitronnot decided00:00
hamitronbut it has to be for old games00:00
hamitron:)00:00
hamitronmaybe a mix of them00:01
hamitrongonna use 2 x voodoo2 as well00:01
lucidFilthy00:02
lucidWill it powered by Hamster or Intel?00:03
hamitronAMD K6-2 500MHz00:03
lucidFilthy00:03
hamitron384MB PC100 memory00:04
hamitron;/00:04
lucidYou know you love it00:05
hamitronofc00:05
hamitronfirst PC I built00:05
hamitron:)00:05
lucidYou have a fetish problem my friend :D00:07
hamitronhey00:07
hamitronall I want is 1 PC and 1 OS to do everything I want00:08
hamitronit just doesn't seem possible :/00:08
lucidOnly god know's your trouble's......00:09
hamitronanyways00:10
hamitronbetter get sleep00:10
hamitrono/00:10
lucidIndeedy mate cheers for the laugh :D00:10
lucidGonna continue my detox struggle :)00:10
lucidThe only way to stay off roll up's is....... Nicotine patch & Coffee while I catalogue my entire book collection. :/00:13
lucidThank you silent party. Good Night. :)00:14
ali1234i bought uplink on humb bundle 3 for android00:53
ali1234this game has an option to change the screen resolution00:53
ali1234but it *only* changes the screen resolution, not the size of the UI00:53
ali1234so half the game is off the screen00:53
ali1234this is a joke00:53
Azelphurlol00:53
Azelphurali1234: is that bundle still up?00:54
ali1234no00:54
Azelphuraw :p00:54
ali1234$9.99 on software centre00:54
Azelphurdaylight robbery00:54
ali1234for a completely unplayable game00:54
ali1234their tech support forums only have other users00:54
ali1234and they recommend hacking xorg.conf to fix it00:55
ali1234time to make yet another software wrapper to feed the corect values to badly written proprietary software00:56
ali1234the worst part of it is that the UI has this cool sliding effect so you can see the UI for a second as it slides off the right side of the screen00:56
Azelphur\o/01:01
ali1234running it in xephyr seems to work01:03
christelGOOD MORNING06:31
MartijnVdS\o06:35
AlanBellmorning all07:04
christelmorning alarmbell07:06
dauberso/07:26
czajkowskialoha07:26
matttohaaieee07:33
hoovermorning folks07:49
czajkowskimorning folks08:05
spaddersHi guys, I ran memtest overnight as requested, here's a pic of the results http://imagebin.org/22786908:06
MartijnVdSthat looks.. scary08:07
MartijnVdSor at least corrupted08:07
SuperMattspadders: I'd get yourself some more memory!08:07
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spaddersI have found out since picking it up, that it had a second memory stick added08:12
spaddersI think it was 1gb ram originally08:12
spaddersit is only needed for homework, a bit of browsing and social networking08:13
spadderswhen you say more memory, do you mean instead of, or additional to08:13
mungojerryupload speed 160Mbit/s not bad :D08:15
spadderssupermatt : when you say more memory, do you mean instead of, or additional to08:16
JamesTaitHappy Monday, people! :-D08:18
spaddersSo, should I try running this test with each memory stick seperately?08:19
SuperMattspadders: well, with all that red, I would say instead of08:20
spadderssupermatt: I've never even seen memtest before, so relying on your expertise and advice.  Would it be worth running the test again with each memory module individually?08:22
AlanBellspadders: worth a try certainly08:23
MartijnVdSalso try re-seating the memory -- sometimes it "comes loose" and contacts are bad08:29
MartijnVdSI've had PCs with "bad memory" which fixed itself after just pushing it back in a bit08:29
hooverSame here... repositioning the memory sticks usually helps08:33
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mungojerrycool story http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200559/Adam-Cudworth-Student-takes-stunning-snaps-space-using-30-second-hand-camera-balloon.html?ito=feeds-newsxml08:37
hooverbrb08:37
mungojerryi see a few more of these projects due to raspberry pi. doesn't say he used rpi but others have08:38
directhexmmm pies08:39
mungojerrybit early for pies08:40
mungojerrypopey, you should get that fella on the UUPC ..he uses ubuntu :P08:47
matttnever too early for a pie08:51
MartijnVdSπ !08:51
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mungojerryi'm fasting this morning, no food till lunch08:56
pinky-did you watch this weeks eposode of Horizon about fasting and living longer?08:57
pinky-reducing the risks of cancer too08:57
pinky-episode*08:57
spadderslooks like ram is FUBAR08:58
mungojerrypinky-, i'm underweight so i have to be careful08:59
mungojerryi'd probably faint if i fasted for longer08:59
mungojerrysince it adds up to around 16hrs including sleep08:59
mungojerrybut i didn't see the programme09:02
pinky-ok09:02
pinky-if you ever get 1 hour spare time its worth a watch:) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/sign/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/09:07
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:07
pinky-good morning to you too09:07
brobostigongood morning pinky-09:08
pinky-basically the docu says that eating protien all time puts certain chemicles in your body to 'go go go' mode and as the body builds fast if any errors are made in the dna cancers are liable to happens.. but if you fast the chems go from 'go go go' mode to 'repair' mode and you are liable to live 30 years longer if you fast regular09:13
pinky-the guy in the docu ended up on a 5 on 2 off days eating regime09:14
pinky-^^ added that incase you never watch at some time09:15
pinky-anyway.. very interesting09:16
JohnRoberthmm09:18
JohnRobertwell anyone who stays fit and eats healthily stands a much better chance of living longer than someone who doesn't09:18
pinky-they say fasting reducing to risk of cancer by a miilion to one09:19
pinky-if you fast you will never develope cancers09:19
pinky-..well that's what they stated in the above docu ^^09:20
czajkowskiJohnRobert: I think it varies, mates mum is very healthy and has just been told she has stage 3 lung cancer, so I'm sure just being fit and eating healthy doesnt just cut it09:22
pinky-they also say fasting reduces your risk to stroke to 009:24
BigRedSfit and healthy's also a good deal less fun than chocolate and beer09:27
matttpinky-: interesting link09:33
pinky-ty09:33
pinky-yeah when I watched it made me raise an eyebrow and I've played it since for a friend09:34
pinky-made me pay attention too:)09:34
BigRedSspadders: aha! Annoying as it is, that's one of the cheaper things that was likely to be causing the problem09:34
pinky-all about reducing 'igf1' in the body09:34
spaddersbigred: At least I know what it is now, and can order some new ram.  Will let you know how I get on09:38
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BigRedSspadders: it might be worth taking out one stick at a time and retesting - it may well be only one bad stick09:45
BigRedS(if you've multiple sticks)09:45
BigRedSbuit09:45
BigRedSbut only really if you've the time/power to spend on running memtest a couple more times, or patience to start using it and maybe have it panic again09:46
spaddersBigred: it has 1x 2gb memory, which may be the problem anyway09:46
popeywhat make/model of laptop is it?09:46
spaddersBigred: I think it can only take max 1gb per channel09:47
BigRedSAh, fair enough, no chance of splitting it then. 2GB RAM is plenty, and memory exhaustion doesn't case panics09:47
BigRedSyou'd get the out-of-memory killer (or oom-killer to its friends) killing apparently arbitrary tasks off instead09:47
BigRedSah! Yeah 1GB is perhaps a little short09:47
spaddersIt's an Acer Aspire 5315 series, model no icl5009:47
popeylooks like it only has one slot09:49
popeyhttp://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Aspire%205310&Cat=RAM09:49
spaddersthere are 2 slots09:49
popeyoh, 209:49
popey"Each memory slot can hold DDR2 PC2-5300 with a maximum of 1GB per slot.* "09:49
spaddersah, I see09:50
spadderswould I be better trying 2 x 1gb, or 1 x 2gb?09:50
bittin^workyo09:51
pinky-spadders : your pc is single channel ram so I would say a 1 x 2gb might have slightly faster latency09:52
popeyspadders, 2x1G09:52
pinky-oh09:52
pinky-ok ignore me09:53
spadderslol, ok09:53
pinky-:)09:54
davmor2Morning all10:04
bittin^workMorning10:04
davmor2Mez: once again thanks for organising the jam :)10:04
davmor2popey: I managed to captcha a video of the square on the rhythmbox play button bug10:05
davmor2popey: it looks to me like there is a specific point that triggers it10:05
davmor2popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/104747310:08
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1047473 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox play button has an odd square around it." [Undecided,Confirmed]10:08
popeyi can't reproduce it davmor210:11
popeycan you reproduce in a guest session?10:11
davmor2popey: I'll have a look in a bit for you10:12
czajkowskipopey: any logical reason for10:16
czajkowski1901 czajkows  20   0  121m 3356 2800 R  84.6  0.1   0:54.88 at-spi2-registr    1944 czajkows  20   0  426m  14m 9.8m S  75.2  0.2   0:48.67 polkit-gnome-au10:16
popeyque?10:17
czajkowskihttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196393/10:17
czajkowskieasier to read10:17
popeycan you paste the whole thing?10:17
czajkowskihttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196395/10:17
popeybug 729827 perhaps?10:18
lubotu3Launchpad bug 729827 in unity (Ubuntu Natty) "at-spi-registry consumes most of the CPU and make the system unusable on Natty" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72982710:18
popeycould be a regession10:19
czajkowskiah10:19
czajkowskihad never seen the at-spi before10:19
czajkowskimachine has been unuable for the last few mins10:19
davmor2czajkowski: I blame AlanBell, just cause he looks at a11y :D10:19
czajkowskii cant change any of the bug status to new again10:20
AlanBellI blame all those other processes that are high10:20
czajkowskishould I just leave a comment10:20
davmor2czajkowski: at-spi is the a11y layer10:20
AlanBellI don't think it is that bug10:20
czajkowskiAlanBell: I call me not being able to use my machine and a cpu usuage that high a bug :)10:20
popeyczajkowski, file a new bug10:21
AlanBellyeah, it is a bug, just not that one10:21
davmor2czajkowski: it will need a new bug that one was for natty so although it might be similar I doubt it is identical10:21
AlanBelleverything is high on that page, at-spi2 happens to be highest, but I don't think it is the cause of the stress10:22
czajkowskihmm cant file it against reigistry10:22
czajkowskiat-spi2-core at-spi2-core-dbg10:23
AlanBellat-spi2-core if you want to10:23
AlanBellthe problem is compiz/xorg/unity or something like that10:24
AlanBellor thunderbird10:24
MartijnVdSOooh10:30
MartijnVdSWANT10:30
MartijnVdShttp://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=15310:30
MartijnVdSa new gvfsd-mtp implementation that's sane10:30
MartijnVdS(i.e. it doesn't try to enumerate all files on the device at mount-time, causing timeouts on android)10:30
JohnRobertheh10:33
JohnRobertthat's the most annoying thing about my phone10:33
JohnRobert'scanning filesystem'10:33
JohnRobertphone grinds to a halt10:33
JohnRobertwhat's annoying is that it does that even if it's plugged into a charger10:33
MartijnVdSJohnRobert: the new Android phones are all MTP-based.. and I can't get it to work properly on Linux because of the timeouts :(10:34
JohnRoberthmm10:34
mungojerrynever seen that problem10:37
mungojerryi guess i don't plug my tablet in enough10:37
popeyme neither10:57
matttpinky-: watched that, quite interesting11:04
pinky-cool11:05
davmor2popey: but your's is all covered by libpod surely?  Is that the i-stuff library?11:05
pinky-longer answer => yeah I also thought so so mentioned.. somebody mentioned fasting and it triggered the response11:13
mungojerryis a 16hr fast sufficient or need longer?11:13
mungojerryto reap benefits?11:14
pinky-they said in the docu it's not healthy for somebody who is alreay under weight11:14
pinky-already*11:14
mungojerry:(11:14
popeydavmor2, true, i rarely plug the phone in though, i use U1 to sync my photos11:14
mungojerryi agree but i'm doing it for spiritual reasons, so any health effects are just a bonus11:15
davmor2popey: ditto11:15
davmor2it's just easier :D11:16
czajkowskiI cant  connect phone to laptop any more since I upgraded to jellybean which is kinda irksome11:17
Laneywow, brains are weird11:17
LaneyI was typing one command and thinking of another11:17
davmor2czajkowski: yes you can you just need to set the portal mode11:17
Laneyand they ended up interspersed perfectly11:17
czajkowskidavmor2: that what now?11:18
czajkowskiI used droid air to get some stuff off it, but I want to put stuff on it which was where I used to connect11:18
gordthey use some silly new format don't they?11:18
mungojerrydoes unity work as quick as this for you guys? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KMXK_ZzT9-811:20
mungojerrywondering if something about elementary is very fast, or he has a super duper PC11:21
popeyoh look, elementary took our design for unity spread11:21
czajkowskihah11:22
bittin^workiam a unity hater so i dunno11:22
czajkowskimungojerry: mine is pretty fast11:22
popeyits as fast as that on my intel machine11:23
mungojerryi tried a nightly build of elementary the other day, it seems v nice desktop (esp. the launcher etc) , but the apps are not ready yet11:24
popeyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/40645538@N00/669763371111:29
popeytodays randomly chosen desktop11:30
MartijnVdScool :)11:30
MartijnVdSHow does it choose?11:30
bittin^workpopey, =)11:30
bittin^worki got some Windows 8 standard wallpaper to tired to change11:30
popeyno idea :)11:30
popeyi am using a tool called "variety" which is in the software centre11:30
MartijnVdSpopey: what are you using to change it, then? :)11:30
popeyI'm just using default settings11:31
MartijnVdS$ LC_ALL=C apt-cache show variety11:31
MartijnVdSN: Unable to locate package variety11:31
MartijnVdSgreat11:32
MartijnVdSCan't start software-center, "the bug has already been reported" but I get a "Page not found" error when it opens the bug in a browser11:33
MartijnVdSgo go launchpad11:33
bittin^work:p11:33
mungojerryMartijnVdS, private bug?11:36
MartijnVdSmungojerry: probably, but it's not telling me that11:37
MartijnVdSit says "Page not found"11:37
MartijnVdSwhich I interpret as 404, not 403 "Forbidden"11:37
mungojerrypopey, does variety give the correct attributes to the photo?11:38
popeyattributes?11:39
czajkowskiBigRedS: I got the webapps I think working following http://ubuntulife.net/how-to-install-ubuntu-webapps-in-ubuntu-12-04/11:39
czajkowskisemeingly by default they will be in 12.1011:39
popeyMartijnVdS, apt-cache show != USC11:39
MartijnVdSpopey: but USC won't start11:39
mungojerrypopey, i mean the photo credit of the author11:39
MartijnVdSpopey: because of that "private" bug I can't see11:40
popeynot on the screen, no, but you can press a button to click through11:40
popeyi.e. it retains the source link it came from11:40
mungojerryah ok11:41
mungojerryare the links always flickr ones?11:41
popeyno11:41
popeythere's lots of options for where to get images from11:41
popeyczajkowski, i wouldn't use that ppa11:41
czajkowskino11:42
czajkowskiwhy ?11:42
popeybecause webapps are in the repo now11:42
czajkowskiah11:42
BigRedSczajkowski: ah, cool. I've just got a new drive for my laptop, so I'll probably install 12.10 on that this eve11:42
davmor2MartijnVdS: sudo /usr/share/software-center/update-software-center11:42
popeyBigRedS, ssd or rust?11:43
BigRedSrust11:43
MartijnVdSdavmor2: does that fix the unicodedecodeerror?11:43
BigRedSI pondered bying an SSD, but work just gave me a rusty one and free beats pay-for11:43
BigRedSalso, it's 250GB which I wasn't going to get out of SSD11:44
MartijnVdSUnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)11:44
MartijnVdSdavmor2: it does not fix it.11:44
czajkowskihmmm11:44
czajkowskimaybe not11:44
czajkowskifeck11:44
popey/dev/sda1            213G  178G   25G  89% /11:44
popey^^ SSD :)11:44
popey240GB SSDs have come down in price11:44
MartijnVdSdavmor2: LC_ALL=C software-center works11:44
czajkowskisomething happening11:44
MartijnVdS\o/ huge SSDs11:44
czajkowskibut not sure it worked11:45
BigRedSI'm hoping that a not-broken rusty drive will cause a noticeable upgrade here11:45
MartijnVdSpopey: What are you using on that? btrfs? ext4?11:45
BigRedSand then next time I want an upgrade I can go SSD :)11:45
popeyext411:45
popeyMartijnVdS, whats the error you get, we can try and find the private bug11:45
BigRedSoh, also, I'd go up to ext4 on this11:45
MartijnVdSpopey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104729511:45
lubotu3Error: ubuntu bug 1047295 not found11:45
davmor2MartijnVdS: can you run usc from the terminal and paste the ouput some where mvo will be interested in this I think11:45
popeytempted to go btrfs on my next install11:45
MartijnVdSdavmor2: I've found a public bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/104728111:46
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1047281 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Software Center 5.3.11 won't start" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:46
MartijnVdSdavmor2: that's the error I get11:46
popeyhmm, i see nothing private on that bug11:46
MartijnVdSpopey: but lubotu3 and I can't see it.. you must be special :)11:46
popeytry now?11:47
xnoxpopey: btrfs.... I am pondering about doing that as well. I am currently on crypt+lvm11:47
MartijnVdSpopey:  worky!11:47
popey\o/11:47
* MartijnVdS has btrfs on SSD11:47
xnoxpopey: next step for me is degraded (hotplugging usb) raid + crypt + lvm11:47
* xnox ponders about migrating to UEFI boot, cause my laptop supports it.11:47
MartijnVdSpopey: the software center log (which packages were installed) might be private about that bug11:48
ixxvilhi11:48
BigRedSxnox: new things are bad. Come to Debian. :)11:48
MartijnVdSBigRedS: install Lucid then ;)11:48
ixxvilhow do you give permissions to a user to use a dir but not the other  subdirs within it?11:48
MartijnVdSixxvil: read or write?11:48
MartijnVdSixxvil: if you give someone write permission to a dir, they can change permission on things in it11:49
ixxvilwell he should be able to write whatever he wants to the dir11:49
xnoxBigRedS: which things are new? UEFI? /me was using it since 2006 on most laptops, but this current one.11:49
ixxviljust to the other subdirs11:49
ixxviljust not to the other subdirs11:49
xnoxBigRedS: and I am a DD ;-) so I am in Debian =)11:49
MartijnVdSixxvil: man chmod explains everything about UNIX permissions and what can/can't be done11:49
ixxvilwell ive been there11:50
ixxvilwas just looking for the command to get it right11:50
MartijnVdSixxvil: you could make the dir owned by root, group <some group the user is part of>, mark the directory +t (sticky, like /tmp)11:50
MartijnVdSixxvil: then make the "unchangeable" dirs owned by root:root11:50
MartijnVdSthat should do the trick11:50
davmor2MartijnVdS: thanks I've made the team aware of it11:50
ixxvilwhats root:root?11:50
MartijnVdSixxvil: user root, group root11:50
MartijnVdSixxvil: "not the user you're restricting" basically :)11:51
ixxvilok :d but whats te command to do this11:52
ixxvil:D11:52
ixxvilwell basically11:52
ixxvili want my web dev tohave acces too the /var/www11:53
ixxviljust to www11:53
ixxvilbut www/ has a bunch of other dirs in it that i dont want him to have any access to11:53
BigRedSixxvil: generally, the easier way to do this is to have a unix user for each site, and have the web dev use that unix user11:53
czajkowskipopey: is this norm - http://ubuntuone.com/0QOGH6Ellpy9ZjqzaTgLzR11:53
ixxvilwell i created an acct for him11:54
BigRedSthen this is all done automatically, and you get proper segregation of files and of scp/ssh access and suchlike.11:54
BigRedSyeah, but put the site in ~/public_html, not in /var/www11:54
ixxviland his home dir stuff goes in /sftp/user11:54
BigRedSand then he can have logs in ~/logs/11:54
BigRedSand all that; having several per-user subdirectories is just setting yourself up for ridiculous fs permissions for no real benefit11:55
popeyczajkowski, thats the webapps notification thing11:55
ixxvilwell theres only 1 guy who has to use this11:55
BigRedS(like /sftp/user /var/www/user /var/logs/user etc.)11:55
ixxvilso i have no qualms setting it up11:55
popeyczajkowski, but I don't understand your question11:55
ixxvilwell any user created is automaticcallysent to sftp/11:56
czajkowskipopey: sorry got distracted by other window11:56
czajkowskipopey: so I go to the envelope thiny and don't see any notifications for any of the sites Ive clicked it to be used on aka fb and twitter11:56
czajkowskiso wondering if I am missing something11:57
popeyare you currently logged into those sites in chromium?11:58
popeyi.e. have a browser window open for fb/twitter11:58
ixxvilBigRedS: i just wanna give him permissions to only www and not the rest in it11:59
ixxvilnot sure how i create public_htmla nd stuff11:59
czajkowskipopey: yes11:59
czajkowskiIve only just logged in mind11:59
czajkowskias I restarted the browser11:59
popeyyou only see notifications once you have the integrated (icons in the launcher) and logged in11:59
czajkowskioh12:00
ixxvilln -s ~yourid/public ~yourid/public_html12:01
ixxvilthat the way to create a public_html?12:01
popeyso basically, 1) install the webapps stuff, 2) launch chromium, 3) visit facebook etc and login, 4) click the integration option, 5) that's it. leave browser windows open for each app12:02
czajkowskiah could be the intergratioj bit I'm missing12:03
mungojerrypopey, re: variety, i see lots of sources (flickr, facebook?, wallbase, wallpapersnet) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~peterlevi/variety/trunk/files/head:/variety/12:04
czajkowskiohhhhhhhhhhhhh I HAVE IT NOW!12:05
czajkowskicheer popey12:05
Laneyhip hip12:06
mungojerry\o/12:06
BigRedSdoes it need to be chromium to make them work?12:06
czajkowskiLaney: now you just need your spinny spin chair!12:06
LaneyI have one at home too :-)12:06
czajkowskihttps://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/245131316545335298/photo/112:07
czajkowskisee along side the icons12:07
popeyBigRedS, until we get the firefox package done, yes12:08
czajkowskiI thought for some unknown reason it would appear under the envelope12:08
czajkowskias not sure why I still have to have a browser open wit the page.12:09
BigRedSpopey: ah, cool12:09
davmor2Laney: it's not done right if you don't sing the spinny song while you do it.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUatnbaNfEo :D12:10
popeyoh man, this dynamic wallpaper thing makes me hungry!12:10
popeyhttp://wallpapers.net/fresh_salad-wallpapers.html12:10
mungojerryhow do graze make those rubberized bananas?12:19
popeydried, low oven temp I imagine12:25
davmor2mungojerry: grow banana and rubber trees close together :D12:26
mungojerrythey aren't the crunchy ones12:27
popeyoh, which ones?12:28
popeylink on graze.com?12:29
mungojerrybeach bum http://d3ckgugpyj5kdi.cloudfront.net/1090/16.jpg12:49
mungojerrythe best one i've tasted from graze was cherry bakewell. they had cherry infused raisins12:50
popeyhttp://www.tammysrecipes.com/node/112212:53
popeylooks like they used a dehydrator12:54
mungojerryrather nice as i can't eat normal banana without gagging12:57
popeywhy?13:04
popeyguess it must be the texture, not the taste :)13:05
mungojerryyes13:08
mungojerryi love nearly all fruit, and i love banana flavour, but to eat it raw, i can only eat it with carnation evaporated milk over it, and sugar.13:09
mungojerryotherwise i gag on raw banana when it sticks in my throat13:09
mungojerryactually before then, it's when it's in my mouth and i'm chewing it13:10
bigcalmGood afternoon peeps :)13:11
MartijnVdS\o bigcalm13:11
popeyhow odd13:12
MartijnVdSmungojerry: chew first! Don't stick it in your throat all at once :)13:12
bigcalmI feel I'm missing out on the best conversations13:12
mungojerrymy son didn't inherit my weirdness since he eats a banana every single day at brekky13:13
mungojerryhe's probably radioactive by now13:13
gordi also love banana taste but can't eat it13:13
gordits disgusting13:13
MartijnVdSmungojerry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5869671221/13:14
bigcalmHaha13:14
bigcalmI remember when all mini figs were happy people13:14
christel:o13:15
MartijnVdSbigcalm: I even got a letter from Lego Netherlands once stating that that was policy :)13:15
mungojerryyay gord \o/13:15
MartijnVdSbigcalm: but that was in the mid-80s13:15
MartijnVdSchristel: hm? :)13:15
* bigcalm tickles christel13:15
mungojerryhave you tried with evap milk and sugar on top of slices?13:15
MartijnVdSchristel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5894757684/13:15
davmor2mungojerry: do you live on acacia row?  does he wear a lot of yellow......etc13:15
bigcalmMartijnVdS: it's a shame that some things change13:15
MartijnVdSbigcalm: Everything to rake in more monies13:16
bigcalmYus13:16
czajkowskifigroll biscusits 4 in bowl add in some custard, bung in microwave for 1 mins, = yummy desert13:16
bigcalmWell, business have to adapt with the times13:16
bigcalmczajkowski: break up the fig rolls 1st?13:16
gordfigroll biscuits, 4 in a bowl., eat them all instantly. yummy13:17
czajkowskibigcalm: NO!13:17
gordthen put more figroll biscuits in13:17
bigcalmHehe13:17
czajkowskiyou can kinda break them up with the custard nice and wam13:17
czajkowski*warm13:17
czajkowskiand mushy13:17
czajkowskiyummy13:17
czajkowskiused to get it at Irish college13:17
popeymmmm figs13:17
popey \o/13:17
popey (.).oO( PARP!)13:18
popey | |13:18
czajkowskiand custard13:18
MartijnVdSpopey: http://clonekeenplus.sourceforge.net/img/keen4play1.jpg13:18
bigcalmo.O13:18
davmor2popey: you love beans, you can't blag me that it was the figs that made you do that :D13:18
christelMartijnVdS: aww13:19
gordnot figs :P fig biscuits!13:19
MartijnVdSchristel: poor minifig?13:20
* davmor2 prods czajkowski cause I haven't today13:20
popeyooooh! MartijnVdS13:20
MartijnVdSpopey: That's the sound I picture every time I read "PARP" :)13:21
davmor2MartijnVdS: I see the lego man lost at sea but I hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb8t3Lt8iJw13:21
MartijnVdSdavmor2: haha :)13:21
* davmor2 move bigcalm's tickle stick from christel to czajkowski and waits for the scream and consequent beating 13:23
ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgClLSPmzP413:23
czajkowski>:(13:23
popeycan someone on 12.10 confirm bug 104864013:24
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1048640 in Unity "Keyboard shortcut appears over the dash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104864013:24
davmor2that or the scary face13:24
bigcalmAnd back to work - toodles13:24
davmor2wow bigcalm has lost boys working for him13:25
* popey tickles czajkowski 13:29
* czajkowski peers at popey this is not a good thing to do 13:29
popeylook up at that bug13:29
MartijnVdSpeer 2 peers?13:29
popeyeasy to confirm :)13:29
czajkowskioh right13:29
czajkowskidone13:30
popeyta13:31
czajkowskiwhy they all can't be that simple13:32
czajkowskipopey: any idea who to poke re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/104804113:32
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1048041 in indicator-power (Ubuntu) "Power icon doesn't show it is charging when it's plugged in" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:32
czajkowskianyone want to earn some LP karma13:33
czajkowskihelp some users13:34
czajkowskihttps://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/20815513:34
AlanBellinteresting that the shortcuts overlay appears on the monitor that the mouse is on, but the dash always involves a trek over to the left of the leftmost monitor13:34
czajkowskihttps://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/20807513:34
davmor2czajkowski: it shows a lightning bolt when it is charging a full battery when it is charged and shows it discharging, you can click it and find out how long to charg or just remove the lead to get an idea13:35
davmor2czajkowski: what more do you need :D13:35
MartijnVdSyou can change preferences to add a timer13:35
MartijnVdScountdown to charged when plugged in, countdown to discharged when unplugged13:35
czajkowskiit's always showing a lignint bolt when plugged in13:35
czajkowski*shown13:35
AlanBellis it 100% charged czajkowski?13:36
popeyAlanBell, i dont get that13:36
popeymaybe the battery is reporting incorrect status13:36
AlanBellpopey: which? the shortcut overlay following the mouse?13:36
popeyor it's knackered13:36
popeythe dash on wrong screen13:37
popeyoh, you have launcher on only one screen?13:37
czajkowskiit's charged13:37
popeyhow do you know its charged?13:37
popeymy laptop has been plugged in all night and shows lightning now13:37
popeyso i see same issue13:37
AlanBellI have a launcher on both screens (it does that whether I tell it to or not)13:37
czajkowskipopey: aye that's what it used to be like, but as it's saying charged it doesnt show the lighting bold13:38
czajkowskiunplug it13:38
davmor2popey: did you play about with the usb headphones by the way?13:38
czajkowskiand says discharging13:38
davmor2czajkowski: Mez did a fresh install and marked that as a bug because on a fully charged machine it didn't show the fact that it was plugged in any more at all which made him wonder if the charger was broken13:40
AlanBellczajkowski: if you leave it unplugged for 10 minutes or so then plug it in it should say it is charging13:46
meethow do i change the position of the notifications of chat un 12.04?13:46
davmor2popey: why do I get a load of browser windows popup with Authentication completed, please close this window.  I'm assuming a partial but not yet complete intgrated web experience is to blame or empathy is triggering something incorrectly13:46
popeydavmor2, not yet13:47
davmor2popey: empathy is doing something wrong then13:48
meethow do i change the position of desktop notifications  in 12.04?13:50
AlanBellmeet: short of recompiling notify-osd with different hardcoded positions that is hard to do13:51
meetalanbell: no easy workaround? because for 11.10 i had it at the bottom13:53
meetAlanBell: btw what are those messages called?13:55
AlanBellnotifications13:55
AlanBelloddly enough notifications do support a different position14:11
AlanBellgsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd gravity 214:11
AlanBellwill set them to gravity_east which is halfway up the right of the screen (where halfway is defined by the total height of all screens together)14:11
AlanBellgsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd gravity 1 to put it back again14:12
AlanBellgsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd multihead-mode focus-follow <- this means they turn up on the monitor you are looking at \o/14:16
MartijnVdSanother big leak - http://pastebin.com/2qbRKh3R14:39
ali1234hurrrrrrr14:40
ali1234actually my credit card has a 5 digit pin14:40
ali1234so nyah14:40
MartijnVdSI can change mine to have up to 6 digits I think14:42
JohnRobertgr8, more to rememeber14:45
MartijnVdSremembering is easy :)14:46
xnoxMartijnVdS: stop using 000 000 as your pin!14:54
MartijnVdSxnox: 42 42 42 actually14:54
xnoxUS ATMs are confused by > 4 digit pins though14:55
MartijnVdSit's the US, confusion is expected ;)14:57
popeybah, wallpapers making me hungry again http://wallpapers.net/white_chocolate_cake-wallpapers.html15:02
MartijnVdSpopey: use this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/set-72157629167894627/lightbox/15:02
gordi would like a white chocolate cake please :(15:08
czajkowskigord: http://asset0.konditorandcook.com/system/assets/files/46/img_353/Curly%20whirly.jpg15:11
gordplease put curly whirlies in it15:12
czajkowskigord: http://www.konditorandcook.com/products15:16
czajkowskiAlanBell: why aren't you at the ceremony today15:17
gordi hate you, john brought a giant chocolate cake into the office which is more chocolate than cake and i'm trying not to inhale it :(15:19
czajkowskigord: you in the blue fin this week15:19
gordtill thursday15:19
czajkowskiohh shall be in :)15:19
czajkowskigord: that cake shop is either side of the office, one 2 blocks down on the right nad the other up by borough market!15:20
gordwhy are you doing this to me :(15:20
czajkowskibeing helpful!15:20
AlanBellczajkowski: it is a parade rather than a ceremony and I have stuffs to do15:27
AlanBellat some point I will watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqtvHYPmNzk&feature=g-upl and file all the bugs15:28
ali1234AlanBell: have you ever tried xfce?15:29
AlanBellno15:31
matttborough market15:33
mattti'm just thankful i don't work near there15:33
matttotherwise i'd be broxe15:33
czajkowskimattt: aye it's addictive and very close to the office15:33
popeymmmmm15:34
popeynice food at borough market15:34
xr1rranyone know if you buy a new laptop an dont use windows can you get the windows licence refunded15:34
AlanBellxr1rr: feel free to try, but it probably won't work15:35
czajkowskipopey: you in this week ?15:38
zleapxr1rr, plan B find a supplier who will sell a laptop without windows15:38
matttczajkowski: i think i saw squirrel there last time, that was a bit off putting15:39
matttbut otherwise it's very very nice :)15:40
xr1rrit is a shame your forced into buying a laptop with windows tho.15:40
czajkowskimattt: see them down by london eye and down by thepark15:40
czajkowskiall of the place15:40
gordwhy is seing a squirrel offputting?15:41
zleapxr1rr, i am sure as you can buy without windows if you look around15:41
zleapto me the more people who find those smaller suppliers it helps them and shuns the bigger players,15:42
zleapxr1rr, http://nakedcomputers.org/15:43
popeyno czajkowski15:44
zleapebuyer also sell a few systems with linux or no OS15:44
popeyxr1rr, some vendors will sell you a laptop without windows.. such as Dell15:44
xr1rrok15:45
xr1rrwill check15:45
AlanBelldell have some really nice laptops that they are not selling yet, project sputnik X31 I think15:45
AlanBellxps13 even15:46
xr1rryeah thats nice, will cost you tho :)15:47
zleapwhich is why you shop around, however if the spec is good then the cost is less important in a way15:49
matttgord: squirrel to buy to eat?15:52
matttnot random squirrels running around the place :)15:52
* popey hugs his thinkpad15:52
JohnRobertI have two thinkpads15:54
JohnRobertthey're ok15:54
* daubers looks at headphones again15:54
JohnRobertt420s and edge 1315:55
gordmattt, oooh15:57
mgdmHi, does anyone have any recommendations for laptop battery suppliers? My Thinkpad R500 needs a new one16:04
popeymgdm, yes16:06
popeyhttp://myworld.ebay.co.uk/power_biz/16:06
popeybought from them a few times as have others, who had no issue16:06
mgdmgreat, thanks!16:07
mgdmis it actual Lenovo kit or clones?16:07
mgdm(not that I'm all thatbothered, if it works)16:07
mgdmnever mind, found out :)16:08
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ubuntuuk-planet[Tony] Happy birthday Mum! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/09/10/happy-birthday-mum/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=happy-birthday-mum18:15
TheOpenSourcerercan someone try confirm if they can reach www.godaddy.com please?18:16
TheOpenSourcererNM - http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/godaddy-outage-takes-down-millions-of-sites/18:17
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.godaddy.comgoogle.com18:18
TheOpenSourcererSeems to have killed access to some of our sites (DNS lookup failures) - we don;t host with them but they manage our domains.18:19
TheOpenSourcererNot all oddly - even not those on the same domain... Some of our "sites".libertus.co.uk are OK others are not. Weird.18:20
* popey cooks some lamb18:20
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TheOpenSourcererunfortunately - our mail server happens to be one that is currently unavailable.18:23
* TheOpenSourcerer adds mail server to /etc/hosts18:23
davmor2News at 10 Alan (popey) Pope, Kills and cooks Allan Lamb18:26
AzelphurxD18:26
BigRedSpopey: what do you use to get posts onto both G+ and twitter?18:30
TheOpenSourcererBigRedS: Cut & Paste :-P18:31
BigRedSTheOpenSourcerer: haha, that's what I've been using :)18:32
popeyyup18:33
BigRedSoh18:33
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* daubers does like cake19:49
marsilainenI saw a job the other day which advertised plenty of cake20:03
brobostigonhehe20:07
marsilainenI would have been more swayed by burrittos TBH20:08
* AlanBell spots dns breakage20:09
marsilainenjust a bit20:09
marsilainenwe have several clients down20:10
brobostigonyes, i had to manually set different dns on my nexus7 earlier.20:10
czajkowskiththe godaddy thingy  has been hitting G+ and twitter tday20:10
marsilainenyeah20:10
marsilainenour clients seem not only to have used godaddy but also to have really low TTL values20:10
marsilainenoh well20:10
AlanBellhigh TTL values are normally just painful when you try and intentionally do something quickly20:12
brobostigonso i set my nexus7 to use google dns, and it worked fine again.20:13
marsilainenAlanBell: sure - but what value do you think is reasonable?20:13
d3ngarHello there, I was wondering: one of my MySQL users can connect without a password on the localhost, but requires a password from remotes20:14
AlanBelld3ngar: that is quite normal20:14
d3ngarI don't like that the user doesn't need a password20:14
d3ngarMust be something in the my.cnf that can switch this off?20:14
AlanBellthere are two users with the same name d3ngar20:14
d3ngar??20:15
d3ngarerm, it's not my username, if that's what you mean20:15
zleapd3ngar, is that an anagram of Dengar one of the characters from star wars ?20:15
zleapor if you read 3 as E it reads Dengar20:15
d3ngaryes20:16
zleapah20:16
d3ngarI found that the letter 'e' is taken way too often :)20:16
d3ngarhowever, back to my SQL issue20:16
zleapseen briefly in EP V when there is a line up of bounty hunters20:16
zleapyeah sorry20:16
d3ngarAlanBell: How can I switch this off?20:16
d3ngarEP V?20:16
AlanBell'd3ngar'@'localhost' and 'd3ngar'@'%' can have different passwords (or none)20:16
AlanBelland are effectively the same user, or two users with the same name, depending on how you like to think of it20:17
AlanBellthe @'localhost' account in your instance does not have a password20:18
d3ngarBut there isn't another user by this name?20:19
d3ngarI checked the user table using the root account20:19
AlanBellchecked with something like select host,user from mysql.user order by user;20:25
d3ngarso you saw two users?20:27
AlanBellyeah20:28
AlanBellor more, you can have a different password for lots of hosts % is the wildcard20:29
AlanBellwhich for reasons I don't understand does not seem to include localhost20:29
AlanBellselect user,host,password from mysql.user order by user;20:30
AlanBellthen you can see which ones don't have passwords (or don't have identical passwords)20:30
dogmatic69AlanBell: there is always an exception to the rule.20:36
BigRedS% does include localhost unless you specify localhost20:38
BigRedSIIRC the most specific match wins20:38
AlanBellok, that makes sense20:38
BigRedSMySQL permissions are insane, though20:39
AlanBellI seem to recall struggling to make that work, but maybe it was just me20:39
BigRedSyeah, it never does what you mean20:39
* daubers downloads a quantel daily iso20:54
AlanBelldaubers: cool, let me know if it boots, yesterday ubiquity wouldn't start for me20:54
daubersAlanBell: Ah, I'm trying the alternate to play with the server release in a VM :)20:55
BigRedSI installed from today's Desktop ISO a few hours ago21:05
BigRedSwent fine21:05
BigRedSamd6421:06
* mattt is finally getting around to playing w/ vagrant21:11
* daubers is trying to test some magic stuff for the hackspace21:17
daubersOpen door via SMS magic!!!21:17
daubersor open door by HTML portal with geolocation MAGIC!!!!21:17
daubersHmmm... I get the feeling this is installing a full desktop without asking me....21:19
daubersDoes the alternate CD now assume you want a desktop?21:20
mgdmdaubers: isn't the geolocation stuff really easy to fake? :)21:20
daubersmgdm: Yes, but it'll be hidden behind a login portal thing21:21
mgdmah ha21:21
daubersjust lets me give a "You're 50 miles from the hackspace, are you sure you want to open the door?"21:22
daubersbox21:22
daubers*le sigh*21:22
daubersdidn't want a desktop21:22
* daubers removes VM and starts again21:23
daubersmgdm: All of the IP addresses given out at the hackspace are public facing anyway, so could do it based on our IP range too if I wanted21:24
mgdmah ha21:25
stgraberdaubers: alternate always gives you a full desktop unless you choose "command line system" or something like that in the F4 menu when booting the CD21:30
daubersstgraber: Ahhhhhhh21:30
stgraberif you want to be asked what you want to install, use server or the mini.iso21:30
popeyyeah, that "command line system" in F4 is super handy for minimal install21:32
daubersstgraber: Just finished grabbing the beta 1 server iso too. But will try it from the command line minimal instead21:33
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