[00:00] <hamitron> well
[00:00] <hamitron> it is gonna be win95c, win98se or winME
[00:00] <hamitron> not decided
[00:00] <hamitron> but it has to be for old games
[00:00] <hamitron> :)
[00:01] <hamitron> maybe a mix of them
[00:01] <hamitron> gonna use 2 x voodoo2 as well
[00:02] <lucid> Filthy
[00:03] <lucid> Will it powered by Hamster or Intel?
[00:03] <hamitron> AMD K6-2 500MHz
[00:03] <lucid> Filthy
[00:04] <hamitron> 384MB PC100 memory
[00:04] <hamitron> ;/
[00:05] <lucid> You know you love it
[00:05] <hamitron> ofc
[00:05] <hamitron> first PC I built
[00:05] <hamitron> :)
[00:07] <lucid> You have a fetish problem my friend :D
[00:07] <hamitron> hey
[00:08] <hamitron> all I want is 1 PC and 1 OS to do everything I want
[00:08] <hamitron> it just doesn't seem possible :/
[00:09] <lucid> Only god know's your trouble's......
[00:10] <hamitron> anyways
[00:10] <hamitron> better get sleep
[00:10] <hamitron> o/
[00:10] <lucid> Indeedy mate cheers for the laugh :D
[00:10] <lucid> Gonna continue my detox struggle :)
[00:13] <lucid> The only way to stay off roll up's is....... Nicotine patch & Coffee while I catalogue my entire book collection. :/
[00:14] <lucid> Thank you silent party. Good Night. :)
[00:53] <ali1234> i bought uplink on humb bundle 3 for android
[00:53] <ali1234> this game has an option to change the screen resolution
[00:53] <ali1234> but it *only* changes the screen resolution, not the size of the UI
[00:53] <ali1234> so half the game is off the screen
[00:53] <ali1234> this is a joke
[00:53] <Azelphur> lol
[00:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: is that bundle still up?
[00:54] <ali1234> no
[00:54] <Azelphur> aw :p
[00:54] <ali1234> $9.99 on software centre
[00:54] <Azelphur> daylight robbery
[00:54] <ali1234> for a completely unplayable game
[00:54] <ali1234> their tech support forums only have other users
[00:55] <ali1234> and they recommend hacking xorg.conf to fix it
[00:56] <ali1234> time to make yet another software wrapper to feed the corect values to badly written proprietary software
[00:56] <ali1234> the worst part of it is that the UI has this cool sliding effect so you can see the UI for a second as it slides off the right side of the screen
[01:01] <Azelphur> \o/
[01:03] <ali1234> running it in xephyr seems to work
[06:31] <christel> GOOD MORNING
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:04] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:06] <christel> morning alarmbell
[07:26] <daubers> o/
[07:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:33] <mattt> ohaaieee
[07:49] <hoover> morning folks
[08:05] <czajkowski> morning folks
[08:06] <spadders> Hi guys, I ran memtest overnight as requested, here's a pic of the results http://imagebin.org/227869
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> that looks.. scary
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> or at least corrupted
[08:07] <SuperMatt> spadders: I'd get yourself some more memory!
[08:12] <spadders> I have found out since picking it up, that it had a second memory stick added
[08:12] <spadders> I think it was 1gb ram originally
[08:13] <spadders> it is only needed for homework, a bit of browsing and social networking
[08:13] <spadders> when you say more memory, do you mean instead of, or additional to
[08:15] <mungojerry> upload speed 160Mbit/s not bad :D
[08:16] <spadders> supermatt : when you say more memory, do you mean instead of, or additional to
[08:18] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, people! :-D
[08:19] <spadders> So, should I try running this test with each memory stick seperately?
[08:20] <SuperMatt> spadders: well, with all that red, I would say instead of
[08:22] <spadders> supermatt: I've never even seen memtest before, so relying on your expertise and advice.  Would it be worth running the test again with each memory module individually?
[08:23] <AlanBell> spadders: worth a try certainly
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> also try re-seating the memory -- sometimes it "comes loose" and contacts are bad
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> I've had PCs with "bad memory" which fixed itself after just pushing it back in a bit
[08:33] <hoover> Same here... repositioning the memory sticks usually helps
[08:37] <mungojerry> cool story http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200559/Adam-Cudworth-Student-takes-stunning-snaps-space-using-30-second-hand-camera-balloon.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
[08:37] <hoover> brb
[08:38] <mungojerry> i see a few more of these projects due to raspberry pi. doesn't say he used rpi but others have
[08:39] <directhex> mmm pies
[08:40] <mungojerry> bit early for pies
[08:47] <mungojerry> popey, you should get that fella on the UUPC ..he uses ubuntu :P
[08:51] <mattt> never too early for a pie
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> π !
[08:56] <mungojerry> i'm fasting this morning, no food till lunch
[08:57] <pinky-> did you watch this weeks eposode of Horizon about fasting and living longer?
[08:57] <pinky-> reducing the risks of cancer too
[08:57] <pinky-> episode*
[08:58] <spadders> looks like ram is FUBAR
[08:59] <mungojerry> pinky-, i'm underweight so i have to be careful
[08:59] <mungojerry> i'd probably faint if i fasted for longer
[08:59] <mungojerry> since it adds up to around 16hrs including sleep
[09:02] <mungojerry> but i didn't see the programme
[09:02] <pinky-> ok
[09:07] <pinky-> if you ever get 1 hour spare time its worth a watch:) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/sign/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/
[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:07] <pinky-> good morning to you too
[09:08] <brobostigon> good morning pinky-
[09:13] <pinky-> basically the docu says that eating protien all time puts certain chemicles in your body to 'go go go' mode and as the body builds fast if any errors are made in the dna cancers are liable to happens.. but if you fast the chems go from 'go go go' mode to 'repair' mode and you are liable to live 30 years longer if you fast regular
[09:14] <pinky-> the guy in the docu ended up on a 5 on 2 off days eating regime
[09:15] <pinky-> ^^ added that incase you never watch at some time
[09:16] <pinky-> anyway.. very interesting
[09:18] <JohnRobert> hmm
[09:18] <JohnRobert> well anyone who stays fit and eats healthily stands a much better chance of living longer than someone who doesn't
[09:19] <pinky-> they say fasting reducing to risk of cancer by a miilion to one
[09:19] <pinky-> if you fast you will never develope cancers
[09:20] <pinky-> ..well that's what they stated in the above docu ^^
[09:22] <czajkowski> JohnRobert: I think it varies, mates mum is very healthy and has just been told she has stage 3 lung cancer, so I'm sure just being fit and eating healthy doesnt just cut it
[09:24] <pinky-> they also say fasting reduces your risk to stroke to 0
[09:27] <BigRedS> fit and healthy's also a good deal less fun than chocolate and beer
[09:33] <mattt> pinky-: interesting link
[09:33] <pinky-> ty
[09:34] <pinky-> yeah when I watched it made me raise an eyebrow and I've played it since for a friend
[09:34] <pinky-> made me pay attention too:)
[09:34] <BigRedS> spadders: aha! Annoying as it is, that's one of the cheaper things that was likely to be causing the problem
[09:34] <pinky-> all about reducing 'igf1' in the body
[09:38] <spadders> bigred: At least I know what it is now, and can order some new ram.  Will let you know how I get on
[09:45] <BigRedS> spadders: it might be worth taking out one stick at a time and retesting - it may well be only one bad stick
[09:45] <BigRedS> (if you've multiple sticks)
[09:45] <BigRedS> buit
[09:46] <BigRedS> but only really if you've the time/power to spend on running memtest a couple more times, or patience to start using it and maybe have it panic again
[09:46] <spadders> Bigred: it has 1x 2gb memory, which may be the problem anyway
[09:46] <popey> what make/model of laptop is it?
[09:47] <spadders> Bigred: I think it can only take max 1gb per channel
[09:47] <BigRedS> Ah, fair enough, no chance of splitting it then. 2GB RAM is plenty, and memory exhaustion doesn't case panics
[09:47] <BigRedS> you'd get the out-of-memory killer (or oom-killer to its friends) killing apparently arbitrary tasks off instead
[09:47] <BigRedS> ah! Yeah 1GB is perhaps a little short
[09:47] <spadders> It's an Acer Aspire 5315 series, model no icl50
[09:49] <popey> looks like it only has one slot
[09:49] <popey> http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Aspire%205310&Cat=RAM
[09:49] <spadders> there are 2 slots
[09:49] <popey> oh, 2
[09:49] <popey> "Each memory slot can hold DDR2 PC2-5300 with a maximum of 1GB per slot.* "
[09:50] <spadders> ah, I see
[09:50] <spadders> would I be better trying 2 x 1gb, or 1 x 2gb?
[09:51] <bittin^work> yo
[09:52] <pinky-> spadders : your pc is single channel ram so I would say a 1 x 2gb might have slightly faster latency
[09:52] <popey> spadders, 2x1G
[09:52] <pinky-> oh
[09:53] <pinky-> ok ignore me
[09:53] <spadders> lol, ok
[09:54] <pinky-> :)
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <bittin^work> Morning
[10:04] <davmor2> Mez: once again thanks for organising the jam :)
[10:05] <davmor2> popey: I managed to captcha a video of the square on the rhythmbox play button bug
[10:05] <davmor2> popey: it looks to me like there is a specific point that triggers it
[10:08] <davmor2> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1047473
[10:11] <popey> i can't reproduce it davmor2
[10:11] <popey> can you reproduce in a guest session?
[10:12] <davmor2> popey: I'll have a look in a bit for you
[10:16] <czajkowski> popey: any logical reason for
[10:16] <czajkowski> 1901 czajkows  20   0  121m 3356 2800 R  84.6  0.1   0:54.88 at-spi2-registr    1944 czajkows  20   0  426m  14m 9.8m S  75.2  0.2   0:48.67 polkit-gnome-au
[10:17] <popey> que?
[10:17] <czajkowski> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196393/
[10:17] <czajkowski> easier to read
[10:17] <popey> can you paste the whole thing?
[10:17] <czajkowski> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196395/
[10:18] <popey> bug 729827 perhaps?
[10:19] <popey> could be a regession
[10:19] <czajkowski> ah
[10:19] <czajkowski> had never seen the at-spi before
[10:19] <czajkowski> machine has been unuable for the last few mins
[10:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: I blame AlanBell, just cause he looks at a11y :D
[10:20] <czajkowski> i cant change any of the bug status to new again
[10:20] <AlanBell> I blame all those other processes that are high
[10:20] <czajkowski> should I just leave a comment
[10:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: at-spi is the a11y layer
[10:20] <AlanBell> I don't think it is that bug
[10:20] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I call me not being able to use my machine and a cpu usuage that high a bug :)
[10:21] <popey> czajkowski, file a new bug
[10:21] <AlanBell> yeah, it is a bug, just not that one
[10:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: it will need a new bug that one was for natty so although it might be similar I doubt it is identical
[10:22] <AlanBell> everything is high on that page, at-spi2 happens to be highest, but I don't think it is the cause of the stress
[10:22] <czajkowski> hmm cant file it against reigistry
[10:23] <czajkowski> at-spi2-core at-spi2-core-dbg
[10:23] <AlanBell> at-spi2-core if you want to
[10:24] <AlanBell> the problem is compiz/xorg/unity or something like that
[10:24] <AlanBell> or thunderbird
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> Oooh
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> WANT
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=153
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> a new gvfsd-mtp implementation that's sane
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. it doesn't try to enumerate all files on the device at mount-time, causing timeouts on android)
[10:33] <JohnRobert> heh
[10:33] <JohnRobert> that's the most annoying thing about my phone
[10:33] <JohnRobert> 'scanning filesystem'
[10:33] <JohnRobert> phone grinds to a halt
[10:33] <JohnRobert> what's annoying is that it does that even if it's plugged into a charger
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> JohnRobert: the new Android phones are all MTP-based.. and I can't get it to work properly on Linux because of the timeouts :(
[10:34] <JohnRobert> hmm
[10:37] <mungojerry> never seen that problem
[10:37] <mungojerry> i guess i don't plug my tablet in enough
[10:57] <popey> me neither
[11:04] <mattt> pinky-: watched that, quite interesting
[11:05] <pinky-> cool
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: but your's is all covered by libpod surely?  Is that the i-stuff library?
[11:13] <pinky-> longer answer => yeah I also thought so so mentioned.. somebody mentioned fasting and it triggered the response
[11:13] <mungojerry> is a 16hr fast sufficient or need longer?
[11:14] <mungojerry> to reap benefits?
[11:14] <pinky-> they said in the docu it's not healthy for somebody who is alreay under weight
[11:14] <pinky-> already*
[11:14] <mungojerry> :(
[11:14] <popey> davmor2, true, i rarely plug the phone in though, i use U1 to sync my photos
[11:15] <mungojerry> i agree but i'm doing it for spiritual reasons, so any health effects are just a bonus
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: ditto
[11:16] <davmor2> it's just easier :D
[11:17] <czajkowski> I cant  connect phone to laptop any more since I upgraded to jellybean which is kinda irksome
[11:17] <Laney> wow, brains are weird
[11:17] <Laney> I was typing one command and thinking of another
[11:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: yes you can you just need to set the portal mode
[11:17] <Laney> and they ended up interspersed perfectly
[11:18] <czajkowski> davmor2: that what now?
[11:18] <czajkowski> I used droid air to get some stuff off it, but I want to put stuff on it which was where I used to connect
[11:18] <gord> they use some silly new format don't they?
[11:20] <mungojerry> does unity work as quick as this for you guys? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KMXK_ZzT9-8
[11:21] <mungojerry> wondering if something about elementary is very fast, or he has a super duper PC
[11:21] <popey> oh look, elementary took our design for unity spread
[11:22] <czajkowski> hah
[11:22] <bittin^work> iam a unity hater so i dunno
[11:22] <czajkowski> mungojerry: mine is pretty fast
[11:23] <popey> its as fast as that on my intel machine
[11:24] <mungojerry> i tried a nightly build of elementary the other day, it seems v nice desktop (esp. the launcher etc) , but the apps are not ready yet
[11:29] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40645538@N00/6697633711
[11:30] <popey> todays randomly chosen desktop
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> cool :)
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> How does it choose?
[11:30] <bittin^work> popey, =)
[11:30] <bittin^work> i got some Windows 8 standard wallpaper to tired to change
[11:30] <popey> no idea :)
[11:30] <popey> i am using a tool called "variety" which is in the software centre
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: what are you using to change it, then? :)
[11:31] <popey> I'm just using default settings
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> $ LC_ALL=C apt-cache show variety
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> N: Unable to locate package variety
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> great
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> Can't start software-center, "the bug has already been reported" but I get a "Page not found" error when it opens the bug in a browser
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> go go launchpad
[11:33] <bittin^work> :p
[11:36] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, private bug?
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: probably, but it's not telling me that
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> it says "Page not found"
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> which I interpret as 404, not 403 "Forbidden"
[11:38] <mungojerry> popey, does variety give the correct attributes to the photo?
[11:39] <popey> attributes?
[11:39] <czajkowski> BigRedS: I got the webapps I think working following http://ubuntulife.net/how-to-install-ubuntu-webapps-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[11:39] <czajkowski> semeingly by default they will be in 12.10
[11:39] <popey> MartijnVdS, apt-cache show != USC
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: but USC won't start
[11:39] <mungojerry> popey, i mean the photo credit of the author
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: because of that "private" bug I can't see
[11:40] <popey> not on the screen, no, but you can press a button to click through
[11:40] <popey> i.e. it retains the source link it came from
[11:41] <mungojerry> ah ok
[11:41] <mungojerry> are the links always flickr ones?
[11:41] <popey> no
[11:41] <popey> there's lots of options for where to get images from
[11:41] <popey> czajkowski, i wouldn't use that ppa
[11:42] <czajkowski> no
[11:42] <czajkowski> why ?
[11:42] <popey> because webapps are in the repo now
[11:42] <czajkowski> ah
[11:42] <BigRedS> czajkowski: ah, cool. I've just got a new drive for my laptop, so I'll probably install 12.10 on that this eve
[11:42] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: sudo /usr/share/software-center/update-software-center
[11:43] <popey> BigRedS, ssd or rust?
[11:43] <BigRedS> rust
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: does that fix the unicodedecodeerror?
[11:43] <BigRedS> I pondered bying an SSD, but work just gave me a rusty one and free beats pay-for
[11:44] <BigRedS> also, it's 250GB which I wasn't going to get out of SSD
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: it does not fix it.
[11:44] <czajkowski> hmmm
[11:44] <czajkowski> maybe not
[11:44] <czajkowski> feck
[11:44] <popey> /dev/sda1            213G  178G   25G  89% /
[11:44] <popey> ^^ SSD :)
[11:44] <popey> 240GB SSDs have come down in price
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: LC_ALL=C software-center works
[11:44] <czajkowski> something happening
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> \o/ huge SSDs
[11:45] <czajkowski> but not sure it worked
[11:45] <BigRedS> I'm hoping that a not-broken rusty drive will cause a noticeable upgrade here
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: What are you using on that? btrfs? ext4?
[11:45] <BigRedS> and then next time I want an upgrade I can go SSD :)
[11:45] <popey> ext4
[11:45] <popey> MartijnVdS, whats the error you get, we can try and find the private bug
[11:45] <BigRedS> oh, also, I'd go up to ext4 on this
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1047295
[11:45] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: can you run usc from the terminal and paste the ouput some where mvo will be interested in this I think
[11:45] <popey> tempted to go btrfs on my next install
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I've found a public bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1047281
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: that's the error I get
[11:46] <popey> hmm, i see nothing private on that bug
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: but lubotu3 and I can't see it.. you must be special :)
[11:47] <popey> try now?
[11:47] <xnox> popey: btrfs.... I am pondering about doing that as well. I am currently on crypt+lvm
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> popey:  worky!
[11:47] <popey> \o/
[11:47]  * MartijnVdS has btrfs on SSD
[11:47] <xnox> popey: next step for me is degraded (hotplugging usb) raid + crypt + lvm
[11:47]  * xnox ponders about migrating to UEFI boot, cause my laptop supports it.
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> popey: the software center log (which packages were installed) might be private about that bug
[11:48] <ixxvil> hi
[11:48] <BigRedS> xnox: new things are bad. Come to Debian. :)
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: install Lucid then ;)
[11:48] <ixxvil> how do you give permissions to a user to use a dir but not the other  subdirs within it?
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: read or write?
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: if you give someone write permission to a dir, they can change permission on things in it
[11:49] <ixxvil> well he should be able to write whatever he wants to the dir
[11:49] <xnox> BigRedS: which things are new? UEFI? /me was using it since 2006 on most laptops, but this current one.
[11:49] <ixxvil> just to the other subdirs
[11:49] <ixxvil> just not to the other subdirs
[11:49] <xnox> BigRedS: and I am a DD ;-) so I am in Debian =)
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: man chmod explains everything about UNIX permissions and what can/can't be done
[11:50] <ixxvil> well ive been there
[11:50] <ixxvil> was just looking for the command to get it right
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: you could make the dir owned by root, group <some group the user is part of>, mark the directory +t (sticky, like /tmp)
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: then make the "unchangeable" dirs owned by root:root
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> that should do the trick
[11:50] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: thanks I've made the team aware of it
[11:50] <ixxvil> whats root:root?
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: user root, group root
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: "not the user you're restricting" basically :)
[11:52] <ixxvil> ok :d but whats te command to do this
[11:52] <ixxvil> :D
[11:52] <ixxvil> well basically
[11:53] <ixxvil> i want my web dev tohave acces too the /var/www
[11:53] <ixxvil> just to www
[11:53] <ixxvil> but www/ has a bunch of other dirs in it that i dont want him to have any access to
[11:53] <BigRedS> ixxvil: generally, the easier way to do this is to have a unix user for each site, and have the web dev use that unix user
[11:53] <czajkowski> popey: is this norm - http://ubuntuone.com/0QOGH6Ellpy9ZjqzaTgLzR
[11:54] <ixxvil> well i created an acct for him
[11:54] <BigRedS> then this is all done automatically, and you get proper segregation of files and of scp/ssh access and suchlike.
[11:54] <BigRedS> yeah, but put the site in ~/public_html, not in /var/www
[11:54] <ixxvil> and his home dir stuff goes in /sftp/user
[11:54] <BigRedS> and then he can have logs in ~/logs/
[11:55] <BigRedS> and all that; having several per-user subdirectories is just setting yourself up for ridiculous fs permissions for no real benefit
[11:55] <popey> czajkowski, thats the webapps notification thing
[11:55] <ixxvil> well theres only 1 guy who has to use this
[11:55] <BigRedS> (like /sftp/user /var/www/user /var/logs/user etc.)
[11:55] <ixxvil> so i have no qualms setting it up
[11:55] <popey> czajkowski, but I don't understand your question
[11:56] <ixxvil> well any user created is automaticcallysent to sftp/
[11:56] <czajkowski> popey: sorry got distracted by other window
[11:56] <czajkowski> popey: so I go to the envelope thiny and don't see any notifications for any of the sites Ive clicked it to be used on aka fb and twitter
[11:57] <czajkowski> so wondering if I am missing something
[11:58] <popey> are you currently logged into those sites in chromium?
[11:58] <popey> i.e. have a browser window open for fb/twitter
[11:59] <ixxvil> BigRedS: i just wanna give him permissions to only www and not the rest in it
[11:59] <ixxvil> not sure how i create public_htmla nd stuff
[11:59] <czajkowski> popey: yes
[11:59] <czajkowski> Ive only just logged in mind
[11:59] <czajkowski> as I restarted the browser
[11:59] <popey> you only see notifications once you have the integrated (icons in the launcher) and logged in
[12:00] <czajkowski> oh
[12:01] <ixxvil> ln -s ~yourid/public ~yourid/public_html
[12:01] <ixxvil> that the way to create a public_html?
[12:02] <popey> so basically, 1) install the webapps stuff, 2) launch chromium, 3) visit facebook etc and login, 4) click the integration option, 5) that's it. leave browser windows open for each app
[12:03] <czajkowski> ah could be the intergratioj bit I'm missing
[12:04] <mungojerry> popey, re: variety, i see lots of sources (flickr, facebook?, wallbase, wallpapersnet) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~peterlevi/variety/trunk/files/head:/variety/
[12:05] <czajkowski> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I HAVE IT NOW!
[12:05] <czajkowski> cheer popey
[12:06] <Laney> hip hip
[12:06] <mungojerry> \o/
[12:06] <BigRedS> does it need to be chromium to make them work?
[12:06] <czajkowski> Laney: now you just need your spinny spin chair!
[12:06] <Laney> I have one at home too :-)
[12:07] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/245131316545335298/photo/1
[12:07] <czajkowski> see along side the icons
[12:08] <popey> BigRedS, until we get the firefox package done, yes
[12:08] <czajkowski> I thought for some unknown reason it would appear under the envelope
[12:09] <czajkowski> as not sure why I still have to have a browser open wit the page.
[12:09] <BigRedS> popey: ah, cool
[12:10] <davmor2> Laney: it's not done right if you don't sing the spinny song while you do it.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUatnbaNfEo :D
[12:10] <popey> oh man, this dynamic wallpaper thing makes me hungry!
[12:10] <popey> http://wallpapers.net/fresh_salad-wallpapers.html
[12:19] <mungojerry> how do graze make those rubberized bananas?
[12:25] <popey> dried, low oven temp I imagine
[12:26] <davmor2> mungojerry: grow banana and rubber trees close together :D
[12:27] <mungojerry> they aren't the crunchy ones
[12:28] <popey> oh, which ones?
[12:29] <popey> link on graze.com?
[12:49] <mungojerry> beach bum http://d3ckgugpyj5kdi.cloudfront.net/1090/16.jpg
[12:50] <mungojerry> the best one i've tasted from graze was cherry bakewell. they had cherry infused raisins
[12:53] <popey> http://www.tammysrecipes.com/node/1122
[12:54] <popey> looks like they used a dehydrator
[12:57] <mungojerry> rather nice as i can't eat normal banana without gagging
[13:04] <popey> why?
[13:05] <popey> guess it must be the texture, not the taste :)
[13:08] <mungojerry> yes
[13:09] <mungojerry> i love nearly all fruit, and i love banana flavour, but to eat it raw, i can only eat it with carnation evaporated milk over it, and sugar.
[13:09] <mungojerry> otherwise i gag on raw banana when it sticks in my throat
[13:10] <mungojerry> actually before then, it's when it's in my mouth and i'm chewing it
[13:11] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[13:12] <popey> how odd
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: chew first! Don't stick it in your throat all at once :)
[13:12] <bigcalm> I feel I'm missing out on the best conversations
[13:13] <mungojerry> my son didn't inherit my weirdness since he eats a banana every single day at brekky
[13:13] <mungojerry> he's probably radioactive by now
[13:13] <gord> i also love banana taste but can't eat it
[13:13] <gord> its disgusting
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5869671221/
[13:14] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:14] <bigcalm> I remember when all mini figs were happy people
[13:15] <christel> :o
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I even got a letter from Lego Netherlands once stating that that was policy :)
[13:15] <mungojerry> yay gord \o/
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but that was in the mid-80s
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> christel: hm? :)
[13:15]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[13:15] <mungojerry> have you tried with evap milk and sugar on top of slices?
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> christel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5894757684/
[13:15] <davmor2> mungojerry: do you live on acacia row?  does he wear a lot of yellow......etc
[13:15] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it's a shame that some things change
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Everything to rake in more monies
[13:16] <bigcalm> Yus
[13:16] <czajkowski> figroll biscusits 4 in bowl add in some custard, bung in microwave for 1 mins, = yummy desert
[13:16] <bigcalm> Well, business have to adapt with the times
[13:16] <bigcalm> czajkowski: break up the fig rolls 1st?
[13:17] <gord> figroll biscuits, 4 in a bowl., eat them all instantly. yummy
[13:17] <czajkowski> bigcalm: NO!
[13:17] <gord> then put more figroll biscuits in
[13:17] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:17] <czajkowski> you can kinda break them up with the custard nice and wam
[13:17] <czajkowski> *warm
[13:17] <czajkowski> and mushy
[13:17] <czajkowski> yummy
[13:17] <czajkowski> used to get it at Irish college
[13:17] <popey> mmmm figs
[13:17] <popey>  \o/
[13:18] <popey>  (.).oO( PARP!)
[13:18] <popey>  | |
[13:18] <czajkowski> and custard
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://clonekeenplus.sourceforge.net/img/keen4play1.jpg
[13:18] <bigcalm> o.O
[13:18] <davmor2> popey: you love beans, you can't blag me that it was the figs that made you do that :D
[13:19] <christel> MartijnVdS: aww
[13:19] <gord> not figs :P fig biscuits!
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> christel: poor minifig?
[13:20]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski cause I haven't today
[13:20] <popey> ooooh! MartijnVdS
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: That's the sound I picture every time I read "PARP" :)
[13:21] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I see the lego man lost at sea but I hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb8t3Lt8iJw
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: haha :)
[13:23]  * davmor2 move bigcalm's tickle stick from christel to czajkowski and waits for the scream and consequent beating 
[13:23] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgClLSPmzP4
[13:23] <czajkowski> >:(
[13:24] <popey> can someone on 12.10 confirm bug 1048640
[13:24] <davmor2> that or the scary face
[13:24] <bigcalm> And back to work - toodles
[13:25] <davmor2> wow bigcalm has lost boys working for him
[13:29]  * popey tickles czajkowski 
[13:29]  * czajkowski peers at popey this is not a good thing to do 
[13:29] <popey> look up at that bug
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> peer 2 peers?
[13:29] <popey> easy to confirm :)
[13:29] <czajkowski> oh right
[13:30] <czajkowski> done
[13:31] <popey> ta
[13:32] <czajkowski> why they all can't be that simple
[13:32] <czajkowski> popey: any idea who to poke re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/1048041
[13:33] <czajkowski> anyone want to earn some LP karma
[13:34] <czajkowski> help some users
[13:34] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/208155
[13:34] <AlanBell> interesting that the shortcuts overlay appears on the monitor that the mouse is on, but the dash always involves a trek over to the left of the leftmost monitor
[13:34] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/208075
[13:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: it shows a lightning bolt when it is charging a full battery when it is charged and shows it discharging, you can click it and find out how long to charg or just remove the lead to get an idea
[13:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: what more do you need :D
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> you can change preferences to add a timer
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> countdown to charged when plugged in, countdown to discharged when unplugged
[13:35] <czajkowski> it's always showing a lignint bolt when plugged in
[13:35] <czajkowski> *shown
[13:36] <AlanBell> is it 100% charged czajkowski?
[13:36] <popey> AlanBell, i dont get that
[13:36] <popey> maybe the battery is reporting incorrect status
[13:36] <AlanBell> popey: which? the shortcut overlay following the mouse?
[13:36] <popey> or it's knackered
[13:37] <popey> the dash on wrong screen
[13:37] <popey> oh, you have launcher on only one screen?
[13:37] <czajkowski> it's charged
[13:37] <popey> how do you know its charged?
[13:37] <popey> my laptop has been plugged in all night and shows lightning now
[13:37] <popey> so i see same issue
[13:37] <AlanBell> I have a launcher on both screens (it does that whether I tell it to or not)
[13:38] <czajkowski> popey: aye that's what it used to be like, but as it's saying charged it doesnt show the lighting bold
[13:38] <czajkowski> unplug it
[13:38] <davmor2> popey: did you play about with the usb headphones by the way?
[13:38] <czajkowski> and says discharging
[13:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: Mez did a fresh install and marked that as a bug because on a fully charged machine it didn't show the fact that it was plugged in any more at all which made him wonder if the charger was broken
[13:46] <AlanBell> czajkowski: if you leave it unplugged for 10 minutes or so then plug it in it should say it is charging
[13:46] <meet> how do i change the position of the notifications of chat un 12.04?
[13:46] <davmor2> popey: why do I get a load of browser windows popup with Authentication completed, please close this window.  I'm assuming a partial but not yet complete intgrated web experience is to blame or empathy is triggering something incorrectly
[13:47] <popey> davmor2, not yet
[13:48] <davmor2> popey: empathy is doing something wrong then
[13:50] <meet> how do i change the position of desktop notifications  in 12.04?
[13:51] <AlanBell> meet: short of recompiling notify-osd with different hardcoded positions that is hard to do
[13:53] <meet> alanbell: no easy workaround? because for 11.10 i had it at the bottom
[13:55] <meet> AlanBell: btw what are those messages called?
[13:55] <AlanBell> notifications
[14:11] <AlanBell> oddly enough notifications do support a different position
[14:11] <AlanBell> gsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd gravity 2
[14:11] <AlanBell> will set them to gravity_east which is halfway up the right of the screen (where halfway is defined by the total height of all screens together)
[14:12] <AlanBell> gsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd gravity 1 to put it back again
[14:16] <AlanBell> gsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd multihead-mode focus-follow <- this means they turn up on the monitor you are looking at \o/
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> another big leak - http://pastebin.com/2qbRKh3R
[14:40] <ali1234> hurrrrrrr
[14:40] <ali1234> actually my credit card has a 5 digit pin
[14:40] <ali1234> so nyah
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> I can change mine to have up to 6 digits I think
[14:45] <JohnRobert> gr8, more to rememeber
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> remembering is easy :)
[14:54] <xnox> MartijnVdS: stop using 000 000 as your pin!
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> xnox: 42 42 42 actually
[14:55] <xnox> US ATMs are confused by > 4 digit pins though
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> it's the US, confusion is expected ;)
[15:02] <popey> bah, wallpapers making me hungry again http://wallpapers.net/white_chocolate_cake-wallpapers.html
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: use this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/set-72157629167894627/lightbox/
[15:08] <gord> i would like a white chocolate cake please :(
[15:11] <czajkowski> gord: http://asset0.konditorandcook.com/system/assets/files/46/img_353/Curly%20whirly.jpg
[15:12] <gord> please put curly whirlies in it
[15:16] <czajkowski> gord: http://www.konditorandcook.com/products
[15:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: why aren't you at the ceremony today
[15:19] <gord> i hate you, john brought a giant chocolate cake into the office which is more chocolate than cake and i'm trying not to inhale it :(
[15:19] <czajkowski> gord: you in the blue fin this week
[15:19] <gord> till thursday
[15:19] <czajkowski> ohh shall be in :)
[15:20] <czajkowski> gord: that cake shop is either side of the office, one 2 blocks down on the right nad the other up by borough market!
[15:20] <gord> why are you doing this to me :(
[15:20] <czajkowski> being helpful!
[15:27] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it is a parade rather than a ceremony and I have stuffs to do
[15:28] <AlanBell> at some point I will watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqtvHYPmNzk&feature=g-upl and file all the bugs
[15:29] <ali1234> AlanBell: have you ever tried xfce?
[15:31] <AlanBell> no
[15:33] <mattt> borough market
[15:33] <mattt> i'm just thankful i don't work near there
[15:33] <mattt> otherwise i'd be broxe
[15:33] <czajkowski> mattt: aye it's addictive and very close to the office
[15:34] <popey> mmmmm
[15:34] <popey> nice food at borough market
[15:34] <xr1rr> anyone know if you buy a new laptop an dont use windows can you get the windows licence refunded
[15:35] <AlanBell> xr1rr: feel free to try, but it probably won't work
[15:38] <czajkowski> popey: you in this week ?
[15:38] <zleap> xr1rr, plan B find a supplier who will sell a laptop without windows
[15:39] <mattt> czajkowski: i think i saw squirrel there last time, that was a bit off putting
[15:40] <mattt> but otherwise it's very very nice :)
[15:40] <xr1rr> it is a shame your forced into buying a laptop with windows tho.
[15:40] <czajkowski> mattt: see them down by london eye and down by thepark
[15:40] <czajkowski> all of the place
[15:41] <gord> why is seing a squirrel offputting?
[15:41] <zleap> xr1rr, i am sure as you can buy without windows if you look around
[15:42] <zleap> to me the more people who find those smaller suppliers it helps them and shuns the bigger players,
[15:43] <zleap> xr1rr, http://nakedcomputers.org/
[15:44] <popey> no czajkowski
[15:44] <zleap> ebuyer also sell a few systems with linux or no OS
[15:44] <popey> xr1rr, some vendors will sell you a laptop without windows.. such as Dell
[15:45] <xr1rr> ok
[15:45] <xr1rr> will check
[15:45] <AlanBell> dell have some really nice laptops that they are not selling yet, project sputnik X31 I think
[15:46] <AlanBell> xps13 even
[15:47] <xr1rr> yeah thats nice, will cost you tho :)
[15:49] <zleap> which is why you shop around, however if the spec is good then the cost is less important in a way
[15:52] <mattt> gord: squirrel to buy to eat?
[15:52] <mattt> not random squirrels running around the place :)
[15:52]  * popey hugs his thinkpad
[15:54] <JohnRobert> I have two thinkpads
[15:54] <JohnRobert> they're ok
[15:54]  * daubers looks at headphones again
[15:55] <JohnRobert> t420s and edge 13
[15:57] <gord> mattt, oooh
[16:04] <mgdm> Hi, does anyone have any recommendations for laptop battery suppliers? My Thinkpad R500 needs a new one
[16:06] <popey> mgdm, yes
[16:06] <popey> http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/power_biz/
[16:06] <popey> bought from them a few times as have others, who had no issue
[16:07] <mgdm> great, thanks!
[16:07] <mgdm> is it actual Lenovo kit or clones?
[16:07] <mgdm> (not that I'm all thatbothered, if it works)
[16:08] <mgdm> never mind, found out :)
[18:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Happy birthday Mum! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/09/10/happy-birthday-mum/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=happy-birthday-mum
[18:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> can someone try confirm if they can reach www.godaddy.com please?
[18:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> NM - http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/godaddy-outage-takes-down-millions-of-sites/
[18:18] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.godaddy.comgoogle.com
[18:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seems to have killed access to some of our sites (DNS lookup failures) - we don;t host with them but they manage our domains.
[18:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not all oddly - even not those on the same domain... Some of our "sites".libertus.co.uk are OK others are not. Weird.
[18:20]  * popey cooks some lamb
[18:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> unfortunately - our mail server happens to be one that is currently unavailable.
[18:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer adds mail server to /etc/hosts
[18:26] <davmor2> News at 10 Alan (popey) Pope, Kills and cooks Allan Lamb
[18:26] <Azelphur> xD
[18:30] <BigRedS> popey: what do you use to get posts onto both G+ and twitter?
[18:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: Cut & Paste :-P
[18:32] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: haha, that's what I've been using :)
[18:33] <popey> yup
[18:33] <BigRedS> oh
[19:49]  * daubers does like cake
[20:03] <marsilainen> I saw a job the other day which advertised plenty of cake
[20:07] <brobostigon> hehe
[20:08] <marsilainen> I would have been more swayed by burrittos TBH
[20:09]  * AlanBell spots dns breakage
[20:09] <marsilainen> just a bit
[20:10] <marsilainen> we have several clients down
[20:10] <brobostigon> yes, i had to manually set different dns on my nexus7 earlier.
[20:10] <czajkowski> ththe godaddy thingy  has been hitting G+ and twitter tday
[20:10] <marsilainen> yeah
[20:10] <marsilainen> our clients seem not only to have used godaddy but also to have really low TTL values
[20:10] <marsilainen> oh well
[20:12] <AlanBell> high TTL values are normally just painful when you try and intentionally do something quickly
[20:13] <brobostigon> so i set my nexus7 to use google dns, and it worked fine again.
[20:13] <marsilainen> AlanBell: sure - but what value do you think is reasonable?
[20:14] <d3ngar> Hello there, I was wondering: one of my MySQL users can connect without a password on the localhost, but requires a password from remotes
[20:14] <AlanBell> d3ngar: that is quite normal
[20:14] <d3ngar> I don't like that the user doesn't need a password
[20:14] <d3ngar> Must be something in the my.cnf that can switch this off?
[20:14] <AlanBell> there are two users with the same name d3ngar
[20:15] <d3ngar> ??
[20:15] <d3ngar> erm, it's not my username, if that's what you mean
[20:15] <zleap> d3ngar, is that an anagram of Dengar one of the characters from star wars ?
[20:15] <zleap> or if you read 3 as E it reads Dengar
[20:16] <d3ngar> yes
[20:16] <zleap> ah
[20:16] <d3ngar> I found that the letter 'e' is taken way too often :)
[20:16] <d3ngar> however, back to my SQL issue
[20:16] <zleap> seen briefly in EP V when there is a line up of bounty hunters
[20:16] <zleap> yeah sorry
[20:16] <d3ngar> AlanBell: How can I switch this off?
[20:16] <d3ngar> EP V?
[20:16] <AlanBell> 'd3ngar'@'localhost' and 'd3ngar'@'%' can have different passwords (or none)
[20:17] <AlanBell> and are effectively the same user, or two users with the same name, depending on how you like to think of it
[20:18] <AlanBell> the @'localhost' account in your instance does not have a password
[20:19] <d3ngar> But there isn't another user by this name?
[20:19] <d3ngar> I checked the user table using the root account
[20:25] <AlanBell> checked with something like select host,user from mysql.user order by user;
[20:27] <d3ngar> so you saw two users?
[20:28] <AlanBell> yeah
[20:29] <AlanBell> or more, you can have a different password for lots of hosts % is the wildcard
[20:29] <AlanBell> which for reasons I don't understand does not seem to include localhost
[20:30] <AlanBell> select user,host,password from mysql.user order by user;
[20:30] <AlanBell> then you can see which ones don't have passwords (or don't have identical passwords)
[20:36] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: there is always an exception to the rule.
[20:38] <BigRedS> % does include localhost unless you specify localhost
[20:38] <BigRedS> IIRC the most specific match wins
[20:38] <AlanBell> ok, that makes sense
[20:39] <BigRedS> MySQL permissions are insane, though
[20:39] <AlanBell> I seem to recall struggling to make that work, but maybe it was just me
[20:39] <BigRedS> yeah, it never does what you mean
[20:54]  * daubers downloads a quantel daily iso
[20:54] <AlanBell> daubers: cool, let me know if it boots, yesterday ubiquity wouldn't start for me
[20:55] <daubers> AlanBell: Ah, I'm trying the alternate to play with the server release in a VM :)
[21:05] <BigRedS> I installed from today's Desktop ISO a few hours ago
[21:05] <BigRedS> went fine
[21:06] <BigRedS> amd64
[21:11]  * mattt is finally getting around to playing w/ vagrant
[21:17]  * daubers is trying to test some magic stuff for the hackspace
[21:17] <daubers> Open door via SMS magic!!!
[21:17] <daubers> or open door by HTML portal with geolocation MAGIC!!!!
[21:19] <daubers> Hmmm... I get the feeling this is installing a full desktop without asking me....
[21:20] <daubers> Does the alternate CD now assume you want a desktop?
[21:20] <mgdm> daubers: isn't the geolocation stuff really easy to fake? :)
[21:21] <daubers> mgdm: Yes, but it'll be hidden behind a login portal thing
[21:21] <mgdm> ah ha
[21:22] <daubers> just lets me give a "You're 50 miles from the hackspace, are you sure you want to open the door?"
[21:22] <daubers> box
[21:22] <daubers> *le sigh*
[21:22] <daubers> didn't want a desktop
[21:23]  * daubers removes VM and starts again
[21:24] <daubers> mgdm: All of the IP addresses given out at the hackspace are public facing anyway, so could do it based on our IP range too if I wanted
[21:25] <mgdm> ah ha
[21:30] <stgraber> daubers: alternate always gives you a full desktop unless you choose "command line system" or something like that in the F4 menu when booting the CD
[21:30] <daubers> stgraber: Ahhhhhhh
[21:30] <stgraber> if you want to be asked what you want to install, use server or the mini.iso
[21:32] <popey> yeah, that "command line system" in F4 is super handy for minimal install
[21:33] <daubers> stgraber: Just finished grabbing the beta 1 server iso too. But will try it from the command line minimal instead