[05:02] morning all [05:02] morning [05:04] yo jrgns [05:05] hey magespawn you here already? [05:28] nuvolari, ping [05:49] * Squirm yawns [05:49] yo Squirm good news [05:52] yeah? [05:52] http://www.unixmen.com/mate-desktop-version-1-2-arrives-install-in-ubuntu-11-10-12-04-precise-pangolin/ [05:52] mate rocks on 12.04 [05:53] just like maverick but different colour [06:03] hi Tonberry [06:04] hi Tonberry [06:04] hello [06:06] o ja en goeie more oom kilos [06:06] dag Kerbero ek smile [06:36] hiya maiatoday [06:36] morning superfly [06:41] morning Kilos [06:42] and maiatoday, jrgns, Tonberry, Kerbero, Squirm [06:43] have I left anybody out? :-P [06:43] nope, well done [06:43] hey superfly [06:58] hi nlsthzn aquarat [06:58] lol [06:58] you really are always here [06:59] hehe [06:59] Salutations uncle Kilos ... drats... spell checking not working at present it seems >.< [06:59] you at work nlsthzn ? [07:00] no uncle Kilos ... going night shift tonight [07:00] at work no more internets basicallt [07:00] ah [07:00] we are on lockdown as the system is over run by virusssesssesssss. [07:01] aw that sucks [07:01] hi aquarat, nlsthzn [07:01] tell them to go linux [07:01] better... now I can actually work [07:01] herro superfly [07:01] o/ superfly [07:01] * nlsthzn trying out smuxi [07:01] now to get spell checking working [07:01] nlsthzn: that's like the Gnome version of Quassel? [07:01] nlsthzn, mate works kiff on 12.04 [07:02] Kilos: nice... but it is a doomed project [07:02] superfly: nope more like irrciii [07:02] or what ever it is called [07:02] oh no nlsthzn why you say that? [07:02] nlsthzn: ircii [07:03] Kilos: the work mint is doing with cinnimon they will bring gnome 2 type functionality using gtk3 [07:03] gtk 2 is ded [07:03] nlsthzn: er, no, irssi [07:03] superfly: that is the one... apparently... not sure cause I never used it [07:03] Kilos: I agree with nlsthzn, Gnome2/GTK2 is dead [07:04] aw maybe they will grow with it [07:04] nlsthzn: I used it a little... all it is is an IRC client with a proxy plugin. You don't get to read your scrollback, whereas Quassel you do [07:04] GTK 2 but they are thinking of porting to GTK 3. [07:04] thats in the comments [07:05] superfly: ah ok... I haven't gotten into a point that I can scroll yet... will see in a few comments :p [07:05] Kilos: well all the power to them :) [07:05] nlsthzn: when you reconnect is what I mean [07:05] yeah i hope so i like it [07:05] ah ok... [07:05] I can scroll back to 3 weeks ago here if I want to [07:05] * nlsthzn still likes xchat for my usage [07:06] ohi sflr! long time no smell [07:06] morning all! [07:06] hi sflr welcome back [07:06] btw uncle Kilos ... your post makes Unity sound like a decease :( [07:06] Hi Kilos, superfly! [07:06] o/ sflr [07:06] aw sorry nlsthzn [07:06] halo nlsthzn [07:06] disease? [07:07] sflr: you know, we were going to organise a CBD Ubuntu half-hour, and then I think babies being born got in the way.... [07:07] speeell chekin not a worksing [07:07] lotsa peeps been moaning and going to other flavours [07:07] all good there sflr ? [07:07] superfly: yes of course, at the coffee shop. I am also available now. Got sidetracked with work and travels. [07:08] ah [07:08] yes Kilos, all good! :) and you? [07:08] yes ty sflr we missed you [07:09] sflr: I'll put some feelers out on the mailing list [07:09] awww... thanks guys :) told you I be back! #TerminatorVoice [07:10] brb [07:10] that's great superfly. should we meet up still this month then? [07:10] hehe [07:10] sflr: well, that's what we'll find out [07:10] I'm thinking possibly in about 2-3 weeks time [07:11] ok superfly. beginning of October then probably. There is a public holiday towards end of the month. [07:11] What is the seating capacity there? How many people can attend? [07:12] Yeah, that's also my mom's birthday :-) [07:12] well, there are a couple of tables that each take 2 people, but we could probably shift them together [07:13] and there are some couches in there too [07:13] hey not_found, what happened there? [07:14] much better :) Xchat FTW and all that [07:14] hehe [07:14] heh. I don't really like X-Chat. Never really did... [07:14] thanks superfly. We should make a booking then? [07:14] * not_found <3 it :p [07:14] aw come on superfly its nearly same as quassel [07:15] Kilos, at the end of the day... users should just use what works for them IMO... which ever DE, even which OS... [07:15] I don't think that's necessary, but I'll pop around at lunchtime sometime this week, and see what their lunchtime traffic is like [07:15] sflr: ^^ [07:16] -_- helps if I update the right site [07:16] i have only used ubuntu since i came to linux and enjoy it just the unity trip was a bit slow and needed more thinking nl [07:17] not_found, [07:17] hi Vince-0 [07:17] lol [07:17] at least this should work for 5 years now [07:18] is mate in an official ubuntu PPA? [07:18] ok superfly that would be great! [07:18] not_found: Official for MATE or official for Ubuntu? :-P [07:18] ? [07:18] lol [07:18] I mean if it is an external PPA there is no guarentees for support for 5 years right [07:19] Hi, Kilos [07:19] im happy its now in my synaptic with all its other packages [07:19] not_found: by definition, PPA's are external to Ubuntu [07:19] oh i see what you mean [07:19] not_found: and there is no support for them from Canonical [07:19] ah ok... sorry... but what I mean it isn't in the repo's or is it? [07:19] the "official" ones [07:20] * not_found knows what he means but doesn't know how to say it [07:20] oh right [07:20] it's not in the repositories, no [07:20] thanks tumbleweed ... [07:21] not even everything in the archive gets support from canonical. They only support a subset of the archive [07:21] tumbleweed: only main and restricted, hey? [07:22] so what happens if something falls outside this in 4 years? Upgrade or live with possible security hole? [07:22] it's more complex than that [07:22] not_found: yes [07:22] hmmm [07:23] superfly: we're talking of getting rid of the main/universe divide [07:23] tumbleweed: oh, OK [07:23] canonical supports some packages in universe, and not everything in main [07:23] ah [07:23] there's a script somewhere that tells you what they support [07:24] that said, the community supports everything else [07:25] not_found: there's a difference between "not supported" as in no support from canonical, and "not supported" meaning you're doing something potentilaly dangerous [07:26] some PPAs and external repositories aren't very well maintained, and will cause you trouble [07:26] tumbleweed, true... but Canonical gives the "support for 5 years" sticker on the site... and if community doesn't pitch in this might not be true [07:26] no, the 5 years support is real [07:27] and the community supports everything else [07:27] but we also describe things as "not supported" when we mean "you've done something crazy, we can't help you with that" [07:28] k :) [07:28] thanks for the info tumbleweed [07:29] * not_found is finding the LoCo Council a tough crowed to contact... [07:29] tumbleweed, join the mate guys and help them keep up [07:29] lol @ Kilos [07:29] hehe [07:29] not_found: why do you have to deal with the loco council? [07:29] some politics over here in the UAE... [07:30] power struggle of sorts :/ [07:30] Kilos: it's not really something that interests me :) [07:30] *tea time* [07:31] well i hope they get enough dev guys to help them [07:31] not_found: laura is usually on IRC [07:31] she scares us [07:31] * tumbleweed doesn't really know the others [07:31] maybe even Lee will keep using ubuntu then [07:32] mate is a nice alternative for those that arent happy with unity [07:33] and one can still stay on ubuntu [07:34] hi Kilos, superfly and everybody else [07:34] o/ Maaz [07:34] >.< [07:35] o/ maiatoday [07:35] :) hi not_found [07:36] i go sort sheep [07:38] Kilos, give 'em hell [07:38] laura sorted me out, thanks tumbleweed [07:38] np [08:47] yo inetpro cremora [08:47] hi Banlam bakuman [09:02] hi kilos [09:02] +Omm [09:02] oom [09:04] forget the oom man [09:08] goeie more 00M Kilos [09:09] oh and good morning to everyone else [09:10] and wb to sflr [09:12] haha [09:13] jou beurt is jou beurt [09:13] hi drussell hows things [09:13] ? [09:14] Kilos: hey! good thanks, though xchat just crashed on me, so that's not so good :o) [09:14] aw thats strange [09:15] xchat never gives trouble. kinda like quassel but better [09:15] hehe [09:16] Kilos: lol, indeed, nearly the first crash ever! [09:16] hey inetpro! :) [09:16] bbl [09:16] had a strange thing happen here. 10.04 upgrade to 12.04 from the cd [09:16] normally need an alternate cd [09:24] hmm nother war starting on our lists [10:01] * sflr ping [10:01] pong [10:01] !Kilos :) [10:02] what war is starting? [10:02] hehe [10:02] pepps fighting other peeps about netiquete [10:02] sjoe [10:02] netiquette [10:03] peeps not peps [10:10] yes, I saw that. didn't seem as a war though :) [10:11] lol its just the start normally [10:11] maybe this time everyone is to busy to add their opinions [10:53] Maaz: tumbleweed++ [ levelheaded response ] [10:58] * tumbleweed tried to avert a flamewar [10:58] (one I'd already taken part in) [11:00] well said tumbleweed [11:00] hehe [11:00] i remember all the top/bottom posting issues [11:00] IMO bottom posting is worse than top posting [11:00] having to scroll to read a message is just stupid [11:01] yeah thats true [11:01] quoting the bits you are replying to - that works well [11:02] yeah inline [11:04] hi morgs [11:05] hi [11:05] methinks tumbles averted a war [11:13] yay i made someone happy [11:25] good day all [11:25] yo magespawn [11:26] tumbleweed: agreed [11:27] hey Kilos [11:27] superfly o/ [11:28] morgs: wb [11:28] yo magespawn [11:29] and inetpro [11:32] hi superfly [11:39] hi hi [12:01] aw toods maia [12:01] DigiGram, youre quiet [12:04] later all gotta work [12:05] toods magespawn [12:11] wb maiatoday [12:15] Maaz: coffee on [12:15] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [12:16] sjoe [12:16] Maaz, coffee please [12:16] Kilos: Righto [12:17] * inetpro feels like immersing his self in a big pot of coffee [12:19] Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos! [12:20] Maaz: dankie [12:20] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [12:24] Maaz, thanks man [12:24] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [13:12] * DigiGram forgot he's logged in [13:13] ha ha ha\ [13:13] have been so busy today! [13:13] busy is good === DigiGram is now known as Digi||Gram [15:20] lol @ the monkey [15:20] old weenie [15:34] * nuvolari mumbles something about Navdeep and not being a newbie [15:35] lol [15:35] lo nuvolari [15:35] he's been multiposting for over a year now [15:35] just in casy anyone was wondering [15:35] *case [15:35] major lag :-/ [15:35] hi oom Kilos [15:36] als goed daar seun? [15:37] nee oom :-/ sit nog by die werk [15:37] iets in production gebreek wat ek moet fix [15:37] :P [15:37] en die internet is gebreek [15:37] dit vat vir ewig om iets te doen [15:42] eish [15:54] lol @ nuvolari [16:31] yo Cantide [16:32] hiya Kilos '-' [16:32] \o/ [16:32] paid for my ticket today [16:32] whooooooooo [16:32] feeling poor now haha [16:32] what? [16:32] ticket to where? [16:33] ummm [16:33] to Korea? [16:33] *cough* [16:33] i was forced to take 3 weeks' leave in November [16:33] so i figured I may as well spend it nicely :) [16:34] lol [16:34] you gotta pass first or stay at home [16:34] how is canstudy doing? [16:34] * Squirm yawns [16:35] canstudy is off sick [16:35] good evening [16:35] he will return in October :p [16:35] hi Squirm [16:35] hey Squirm :) just woke up? 'o' [16:35] Cantide: no, need sleep [16:35] my last exam is 2 days before i fly haha :D [16:35] oh .-. [16:35] still recovering from that lan? :o [16:36] yeah, I woke up at 3pm yesterday all refreshed. Thus I was only tired enough to fall asleep at 2am [16:36] and I was up at 6 this morning [16:37] so hopefully after tonight I'll be back to my normal tired self [16:37] hehe [16:38] haha [16:38] good luck getting the routine back :p [16:43] * Squirm shrugs [16:55] wb Meesterarend [16:59] i go eat [17:05] lekker eet oom Kilos [17:14] tnx Kilos [17:14] I've reinstalled my system [17:14] and are just finnishing up [17:14] :) [17:15] thought to check in while i'm working [17:21] what system Meesterarend ? [17:21] dankie nuvolari dit was lekker [17:21] home system [17:21] my se kerrie [17:21] with ubuntu Meesterarend ? [17:21] I had a mouse and keybord problem [17:21] offcourse [17:21] you been gone so long i forget [17:22] :) [17:22] lol [17:22] yo smile [17:22] :) [17:24] usb mouse and keyboard Meesterarend ? [17:25] yip [17:25] did you try moving them to other ports [17:25] and It seems my system was still on 32 bit [17:25] everything [17:26] usb things do funny things at times [17:26] even other kb and mouse [17:26] eish [17:26] well it have been reported as an bug [17:26] good [17:26] it's now fixed again anyway [17:27] is this on a desktop or lappy [17:27] desktop [17:27] pity you aint got ps2 spares [17:28] well ps2 i have either kb [17:28] or mouse [17:28] its one port [17:28] i chose kb [17:28] :) [17:28] wow not a purple and green one [17:28] nope [17:29] one port two colors [17:29] where you got that pc [17:29] japan [17:29] or china [17:29] hehe [17:29] actualy [17:29] they are starting to replace most ps2 ports with usb [17:30] so many things are being phased out [17:30] yeah [17:30] jip [17:30] i've seen boards here with just one port 2 colours before [17:30] ps2 needs to go :) [17:30] would rather have more usb [17:31] at least that'll be one less driver to load on a system :D [17:31] and more space for the gooddies that count [17:31] yip [17:32] atleast 20 usb 3 prot would be nice [17:32] prot = ports [17:32] hahaha [17:32] i use about 5 [17:32] so 6 to 8 would be ideal for me '-' [17:32] well... I did exceed 8 once [17:33] please don't ask [17:33] :| [17:33] lol [17:33] get them bridge things [17:34] bridge? [17:34] hub [17:34] ah [17:34] i gotta think sometimes [17:34] well that are also not ideal, when all i have are still on usb1 [17:35] lol yeah [17:35] did you try run fsck [17:35] normally fixes my stuff [17:35] actually that also did not fix the problem [17:35] sudo touch /forcefsck [17:36] wow [17:36] and the [17:36] um [17:36] recovery thing on grub menu [17:36] i actually had my fstab file setup to check each time [17:36] well there it worked [17:37] it's only after hitting the gui that things got ... [17:37] oh well alls well that ends well hey? [17:37] messed up [17:37] yip [17:37] you on uncapped ? [17:37] inetpro: KDE Telepathy is MUCH better in KDE 4.9 (er... which version is the latest again?) [17:38] i wish [17:38] ohi Meesterarend, long time no see [17:38] hay supperfly [17:38] eish so do you rsync your archives [17:38] yes i can be very bussy at times [17:38] mmm, supperfly, am I that yummy? [17:38] downloading from scratch is expensive [17:39] lol [17:39] I have apt proxy on my netbook [17:39] he doesnt use tab complete [17:39] downlowded about 300mb max [17:40] I do not that much sorry superfly [17:40] make a partition you can save archives to then its only the update you need to get [17:40] 30m [17:40] haha, just teasing, Meesterarend [17:40] :) [17:40] hehe [17:41] I used to know all the trick once [17:41] then i got married :D [17:41] lol [17:42] Meesterarend, what service provider you using? [17:42] voda [17:43] yip [17:43] try 8ta they got a good special [17:44]