[05:02] <Kilos> morning all
[05:02] <jrgns> morning
[05:04] <Kilos> yo jrgns 
[05:05] <Kilos> hey magespawn you here already?
[05:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[05:49]  * Squirm yawns
[05:49] <Kilos> yo Squirm good news
[05:52] <Squirm> yeah?
[05:52] <Kilos> http://www.unixmen.com/mate-desktop-version-1-2-arrives-install-in-ubuntu-11-10-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[05:52] <Kilos> mate rocks on 12.04
[05:53] <Kilos> just like maverick but different colour
[06:03] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[06:04] <Kerbero> hi Tonberry 
[06:04] <Tonberry> hello
[06:06] <Kerbero> o ja en goeie more oom kilos
[06:06] <Kilos> dag Kerbero ek smile
[06:36] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:36] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:41] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:42] <superfly> and maiatoday, jrgns, Tonberry, Kerbero, Squirm
[06:43] <superfly> have I left anybody out? :-P
[06:43] <Kilos> nope, well done
[06:43] <jrgns> hey superfly
[06:58] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn aquarat 
[06:58] <aquarat> lol
[06:58] <aquarat> you really are always here
[06:59] <Kilos> hehe
[06:59] <nlsthzn> Salutations uncle Kilos ... drats... spell checking not working at present it seems >.<
[06:59] <Kilos> you at work nlsthzn ?
[07:00] <nlsthzn> no uncle Kilos ... going night shift tonight
[07:00] <nlsthzn> at work no more internets basicallt
[07:00] <Kilos> ah
[07:00] <nlsthzn> we are on lockdown as the system is over run by virusssesssesssss.
[07:01] <Kilos> aw that sucks
[07:01] <superfly> hi aquarat, nlsthzn
[07:01] <Kilos> tell them to go linux
[07:01] <nlsthzn> better... now I can actually work
[07:01] <aquarat> herro superfly 
[07:01] <nlsthzn> o/ superfly 
[07:01]  * nlsthzn trying out smuxi
[07:01] <nlsthzn> now to get spell checking working 
[07:01] <superfly> nlsthzn: that's like the Gnome version of Quassel?
[07:01] <Kilos> nlsthzn, mate works kiff on 12.04
[07:02] <nlsthzn> Kilos: nice... but it is a doomed project
[07:02] <nlsthzn> superfly: nope more like irrciii
[07:02] <nlsthzn> or what ever it is called
[07:02] <Kilos> oh no nlsthzn why you say that?
[07:02] <superfly> nlsthzn: ircii
[07:03] <nlsthzn> Kilos: the work mint is doing with cinnimon they will bring gnome 2 type functionality using gtk3
[07:03] <nlsthzn> gtk 2 is ded
[07:03] <superfly> nlsthzn: er, no, irssi
[07:03] <nlsthzn> superfly: that is the one... apparently... not sure cause I never used it
[07:03] <superfly> Kilos: I agree with nlsthzn, Gnome2/GTK2 is dead
[07:04] <Kilos> aw maybe they will grow with it
[07:04] <superfly> nlsthzn: I used it a little... all it is is an IRC client with a proxy plugin. You don't get to read your scrollback, whereas Quassel you do
[07:04] <Kilos>  GTK 2 but they are thinking of porting to GTK 3.
[07:04] <Kilos> thats in the comments
[07:05] <nlsthzn> superfly: ah ok... I haven't gotten into a point that I can scroll yet... will see in a few comments :p
[07:05] <nlsthzn> Kilos: well all the power to them :)
[07:05] <superfly> nlsthzn: when you reconnect is what I mean
[07:05] <Kilos> yeah i hope so i like it
[07:05] <nlsthzn> ah ok...
[07:05] <superfly> I can scroll back to 3 weeks ago here if I want to
[07:05]  * nlsthzn still likes xchat for my usage
[07:06] <superfly> ohi sflr! long time no smell
[07:06] <sflr> morning all!
[07:06] <Kilos> hi sflr welcome back
[07:06] <nlsthzn> btw uncle Kilos ... your post makes Unity sound like a decease :(
[07:06] <sflr> Hi Kilos, superfly!
[07:06] <nlsthzn> o/ sflr 
[07:06] <Kilos> aw sorry nlsthzn 
[07:06] <sflr> halo nlsthzn
[07:06] <Kilos> disease?
[07:07] <superfly> sflr: you know, we were going to organise a CBD Ubuntu half-hour, and then I think babies being born got in the way....
[07:07] <nlsthzn> speeell chekin not a worksing
[07:07] <Kilos> lotsa peeps been moaning and going to other flavours
[07:07] <Kilos> all good there sflr ?
[07:07] <sflr> superfly: yes of course, at the coffee shop. I am also available now. Got sidetracked with work and travels.
[07:08] <Kilos> ah
[07:08] <sflr> yes Kilos, all good! :) and you?
[07:08] <Kilos> yes ty sflr we missed you
[07:09] <superfly> sflr: I'll put some feelers out on the mailing list
[07:09] <sflr> awww... thanks guys :) told you I be back! #TerminatorVoice
[07:10] <nlsthzn> brb
[07:10] <sflr> that's great superfly. should we meet up still this month then?
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:10] <superfly> sflr: well, that's what we'll find out
[07:10] <superfly> I'm thinking possibly in about 2-3 weeks time
[07:11] <sflr> ok superfly. beginning of October then probably. There is a public holiday towards end of the month.
[07:11] <sflr> What is the seating capacity there? How many people can attend?
[07:12] <superfly> Yeah, that's also my mom's birthday :-)
[07:12] <superfly> well, there are a couple of tables that each take 2 people, but we could probably shift them together
[07:13] <superfly> and there are some couches in there too
[07:13] <superfly> hey not_found, what happened there?
[07:14] <not_found> much better :) Xchat FTW and all that
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe
[07:14] <superfly> heh. I don't really like X-Chat. Never really did...
[07:14] <sflr> thanks superfly. We should make  a booking then?
[07:14]  * not_found <3 it :p
[07:14] <Kilos> aw come on superfly its nearly same as quassel
[07:15] <not_found> Kilos, at the end of the day... users should just use what works for them IMO... which ever DE, even which OS...
[07:15] <superfly> I don't think that's necessary, but I'll pop around at lunchtime sometime this week, and see what their lunchtime traffic is like
[07:15] <superfly> sflr: ^^
[07:16] <superfly> -_- helps if I update the right site
[07:16] <Kilos> i have only used ubuntu since i came to linux and enjoy it just the unity trip was a bit slow and needed more thinking nl
[07:17] <Kilos> not_found, 
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:17] <not_found> lol
[07:17] <Kilos> at least this should work for 5 years now
[07:18] <not_found> is mate in an official ubuntu PPA?
[07:18] <sflr> ok superfly that would be great!
[07:18] <superfly> not_found: Official for MATE or official for Ubuntu? :-P
[07:18] <Kilos> ?
[07:18] <Kilos> lol
[07:18] <not_found> I mean if it is an external PPA there is no guarentees for support for 5 years right
[07:19] <Vince-0> Hi, Kilos
[07:19] <Kilos> im happy its now in my synaptic with all its other packages
[07:19] <superfly> not_found: by definition, PPA's are external to Ubuntu
[07:19] <Kilos> oh i see what you mean
[07:19] <superfly> not_found: and there is no support for them from Canonical
[07:19] <not_found> ah ok... sorry... but what I mean it isn't in the repo's or is it?
[07:19] <not_found> the "official" ones
[07:20]  * not_found knows what he means but doesn't know how to say it
[07:20] <superfly> oh right
[07:20] <tumbleweed> it's not in the repositories, no
[07:20] <not_found> thanks tumbleweed ... 
[07:21] <tumbleweed> not even everything in the archive gets support from canonical. They only support a subset of the archive
[07:21] <superfly> tumbleweed: only main and restricted, hey?
[07:22] <not_found> so what happens if something falls outside this in 4 years? Upgrade or live with possible security hole?
[07:22] <tumbleweed> it's more complex than that
[07:22] <tumbleweed> not_found: yes
[07:22] <not_found> hmmm
[07:23] <tumbleweed> superfly: we're talking of getting rid of the main/universe divide
[07:23] <superfly> tumbleweed: oh, OK
[07:23] <tumbleweed> canonical supports some packages in universe, and not everything in main
[07:23] <superfly> ah
[07:23] <tumbleweed> there's a script somewhere that tells you what they support
[07:24] <tumbleweed> that said, the community supports everything else
[07:25] <tumbleweed> not_found: there's a difference between "not supported" as in no support from canonical, and "not supported" meaning you're doing something potentilaly dangerous
[07:26] <tumbleweed> some PPAs and external repositories aren't very well maintained, and will cause you trouble
[07:26] <not_found> tumbleweed, true... but Canonical gives the "support for 5 years" sticker on the site... and if community doesn't pitch in this might not be true 
[07:26] <tumbleweed> no, the 5 years support is real
[07:27] <tumbleweed> and the community supports everything else
[07:27] <tumbleweed> but we also describe things as "not supported" when we mean "you've done something crazy, we can't help you with that"
[07:28] <not_found> k :)
[07:28] <not_found> thanks for the info tumbleweed 
[07:29]  * not_found is finding the LoCo Council a tough crowed to contact...
[07:29] <Kilos> tumbleweed, join the mate guys and help them keep up
[07:29] <not_found> lol @ Kilos 
[07:29] <Kilos> hehe
[07:29] <tumbleweed> not_found: why do you have to deal with the loco council?
[07:29] <not_found> some politics over here in the UAE...
[07:30] <not_found> power struggle of sorts :/
[07:30] <tumbleweed> Kilos: it's not really something that interests me :)
[07:30] <not_found> *tea time*
[07:31] <Kilos> well i hope they get enough dev guys to help them
[07:31] <tumbleweed> not_found: laura is usually on IRC
[07:31] <not_found> she scares us
[07:31]  * tumbleweed doesn't really know the others
[07:31] <Kilos> maybe even Lee will keep using ubuntu then
[07:32] <Kilos> mate is a nice alternative for those that arent happy with unity
[07:33] <Kilos> and one can still stay on ubuntu
[07:34] <maiatoday> hi Kilos, superfly and everybody else
[07:34] <not_found> o/ Maaz 
[07:34] <not_found> >.<
[07:35] <not_found> o/ maiatoday 
[07:35] <maiatoday> :) hi not_found
[07:36] <Kilos> i go sort sheep
[07:38] <not_found> Kilos, give 'em hell
[07:38] <not_found> laura sorted me out, thanks tumbleweed 
[07:38] <tumbleweed> np
[08:47] <Kilos> yo inetpro cremora
[08:47] <Kilos> hi Banlam bakuman 
[09:02] <bakuman> hi kilos
[09:02] <bakuman> +Omm
[09:02] <bakuman> oom
[09:04] <Kilos> forget the oom man
[09:08] <inetpro> goeie more 00M Kilos
[09:09] <inetpro> oh and good morning to everyone else
[09:10] <inetpro> and wb to sflr
[09:12] <Kilos> haha
[09:13] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[09:13] <Kilos> hi drussell hows things 
[09:13] <Kilos> ?
[09:14] <drussell> Kilos: hey! good thanks, though xchat just crashed on me, so that's not so good :o)
[09:14] <Kilos> aw thats strange
[09:15] <Kilos> xchat never gives trouble. kinda like quassel but better
[09:15] <Kilos> hehe
[09:16] <drussell> Kilos: lol, indeed, nearly the first crash ever!
[09:16] <sflr> hey inetpro! :)
[09:16] <not_found> bbl
[09:16] <Kilos> had a strange thing happen here. 10.04 upgrade to 12.04 from the cd
[09:16] <Kilos> normally need an alternate cd
[09:24] <Kilos> hmm nother war starting on our lists
[10:01]  * sflr ping
[10:01] <Kilos> pong
[10:01] <sflr> !Kilos :)
[10:02] <sflr> what war is starting?
[10:02] <Kilos> hehe
[10:02] <Kilos> pepps fighting other peeps about netiquete
[10:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:02] <Kilos> netiquette
[10:03] <Kilos> peeps not peps
[10:10] <sflr> yes, I saw that. didn't seem as a war though :)
[10:11] <Kilos> lol its just the start normally
[10:11] <Kilos> maybe this time everyone is to busy to add their opinions
[10:53] <superfly> Maaz: tumbleweed++ [ levelheaded response ]
[10:58]  * tumbleweed tried to avert a flamewar
[10:58] <tumbleweed> (one I'd already taken part in)
[11:00] <Kilos> well said tumbleweed 
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:00] <Kilos> i remember all the top/bottom posting issues
[11:00] <tumbleweed> IMO bottom posting is worse than top posting
[11:00] <tumbleweed> having to scroll to read a message is just stupid
[11:01] <Kilos> yeah thats true
[11:01] <tumbleweed> quoting the bits you are replying to - that works well
[11:02] <Kilos> yeah inline
[11:04] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[11:05] <morgs> hi
[11:05] <Kilos> methinks tumbles averted a war
[11:13] <Kilos> yay i made someone happy
[11:25] <magespawn> good day all
[11:25] <Kilos> yo magespawn 
[11:26] <superfly> tumbleweed: agreed
[11:27] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:27] <magespawn> superfly o/
[11:28] <inetpro> morgs: wb
[11:28] <superfly> yo magespawn
[11:29] <superfly> and inetpro
[11:32] <inetpro> hi superfly
[11:39] <morgs> hi hi
[12:01] <Kilos> aw toods maia
[12:01] <Kilos> DigiGram, youre quiet
[12:04] <magespawn> later all gotta work
[12:05] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[12:11] <Kilos> wb maiatoday 
[12:15] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[12:15]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[12:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[12:17]  * inetpro feels like immersing his self in a big pot of coffee  
[12:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[12:20] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[12:20] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[12:24] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[12:24] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[13:12]  * DigiGram forgot he's logged in
[13:13] <Kilos> ha ha ha\
[13:13] <DigiGram> have been so busy today!
[13:13] <Kilos> busy is good
[15:20] <Kilos> lol @ the monkey
[15:20] <Kilos> old weenie
[15:34]  * nuvolari mumbles something about Navdeep and not being a newbie
[15:35] <Kilos> lol
[15:35] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[15:35] <nuvolari> he's been multiposting for over a year now
[15:35] <nuvolari> just in casy anyone was wondering
[15:35] <nuvolari> *case
[15:35] <nuvolari> major lag :-/
[15:35] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[15:36] <Kilos> als goed daar seun?
[15:37] <nuvolari> nee oom :-/ sit nog by die werk
[15:37] <nuvolari> iets in production gebreek wat ek moet fix
[15:37] <nuvolari> :P
[15:37] <nuvolari> en die internet is gebreek
[15:37] <nuvolari> dit vat vir ewig om iets te doen
[15:42] <Kilos> eish
[15:54] <Kilos> lol @ nuvolari 
[16:31] <Kilos> yo Cantide 
[16:32] <Cantide> hiya Kilos '-'
[16:32] <Cantide> \o/
[16:32] <Cantide> paid for my ticket today
[16:32] <Cantide> whooooooooo
[16:32] <Cantide> feeling poor now haha
[16:32] <Kilos> what?
[16:32] <Kilos> ticket to where?
[16:33] <Cantide> ummm
[16:33] <Cantide> to Korea?
[16:33] <Cantide> *cough*
[16:33] <Cantide> i was forced to take 3 weeks' leave in November
[16:33] <Cantide> so i figured I may as well spend it nicely :)
[16:34] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <Kilos> you gotta pass first or stay at home
[16:34] <Kilos> how is canstudy doing?
[16:34]  * Squirm yawns
[16:35] <Cantide> canstudy is off sick
[16:35] <Squirm> good evening
[16:35] <Cantide> he will return in October :p
[16:35] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[16:35] <Cantide> hey Squirm :) just woke up? 'o'
[16:35] <Squirm> Cantide: no, need sleep
[16:35] <Cantide> my last exam is 2 days before i fly haha :D
[16:35] <Cantide> oh .-.
[16:35] <Cantide> still recovering from that lan? :o
[16:36] <Squirm> yeah, I woke up at 3pm yesterday all refreshed. Thus I was only tired enough to fall asleep at 2am
[16:36] <Squirm> and I was up at 6 this morning
[16:37] <Squirm> so hopefully after tonight I'll be back to my normal tired self
[16:37] <Kilos> hehe
[16:38] <Cantide> haha
[16:38] <Cantide> good luck getting the routine back :p
[16:43]  * Squirm shrugs
[16:55] <Kilos> wb Meesterarend 
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:05] <nuvolari> lekker eet oom Kilos 
[17:14] <Meesterarend> tnx Kilos
[17:14] <Meesterarend> I've reinstalled my system 
[17:14] <Meesterarend> and are just finnishing up
[17:14] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:15] <Meesterarend> thought to check in while i'm working
[17:21] <Kilos> what system Meesterarend ?
[17:21] <Kilos> dankie nuvolari dit was lekker
[17:21] <Meesterarend> home system
[17:21] <Kilos> my se kerrie
[17:21] <Kilos> with ubuntu Meesterarend ?
[17:21] <Meesterarend> I had a mouse and keybord problem
[17:21] <Meesterarend> offcourse
[17:21] <Kilos> you been gone so long i forget
[17:22] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <Kilos> yo smile 
[17:22] <smile> :)
[17:24] <Kilos> usb mouse and keyboard Meesterarend ?
[17:25] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:25] <Kilos> did you try moving them to other ports
[17:25] <Meesterarend> and It seems my system was still on 32 bit
[17:25] <Meesterarend> everything
[17:26] <Kilos> usb things do funny things at times
[17:26] <Meesterarend> even other kb and mouse
[17:26] <Kilos> eish
[17:26] <Meesterarend> well it have been reported as an bug
[17:26] <Kilos> good
[17:26] <Meesterarend> it's now fixed again anyway
[17:27] <Kilos> is this on a desktop or lappy
[17:27] <Meesterarend> desktop
[17:27] <Kilos> pity you aint got ps2 spares
[17:28] <Meesterarend> well ps2 i have either kb
[17:28] <Meesterarend> or mouse
[17:28] <Meesterarend> its one port
[17:28] <Meesterarend> i chose kb
[17:28] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:28] <Kilos> wow not a purple and green one
[17:28] <Meesterarend> nope
[17:29] <Meesterarend> one port two colors
[17:29] <Kilos> where you got that pc
[17:29] <Kilos> japan
[17:29] <Kilos> or china
[17:29] <Kilos> hehe
[17:29] <Meesterarend> actualy
[17:29] <Meesterarend> they are starting to replace most ps2 ports with usb
[17:30] <Kilos> so many things are being phased out
[17:30] <Cantide> yeah
[17:30] <Meesterarend> jip
[17:30] <Cantide> i've seen boards here with just one port 2 colours before
[17:30] <Cantide> ps2 needs to go :)
[17:30] <Cantide> would rather have more usb
[17:31] <Meesterarend> at least that'll be one less driver to load on a system :D
[17:31] <Meesterarend> and more space for the gooddies that count
[17:31] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:32] <Meesterarend> atleast 20 usb 3 prot would be nice
[17:32] <Meesterarend> prot = ports
[17:32] <Cantide> hahaha
[17:32] <Cantide> i use about 5
[17:32] <Cantide> so 6 to 8 would be ideal for me '-'
[17:32] <Meesterarend> well... I did exceed 8 once
[17:33] <Meesterarend> please don't ask
[17:33] <Meesterarend> :|
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Kilos> get them bridge things
[17:34] <Meesterarend> bridge?
[17:34] <Kilos> hub
[17:34] <Meesterarend> ah
[17:34] <Kilos> i gotta think sometimes
[17:34] <Meesterarend> well that are also not ideal, when all i have are still on usb1
[17:35] <Kilos> lol yeah
[17:35] <Kilos> did you try run fsck
[17:35] <Kilos> normally fixes my stuff
[17:35] <Meesterarend> actually that also did not fix the problem
[17:35] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[17:36] <Kilos> wow
[17:36] <Kilos> and the 
[17:36] <Kilos> um
[17:36] <Kilos> recovery thing on grub menu
[17:36] <Meesterarend> i actually had my fstab file setup to check each time
[17:36] <Meesterarend> well there it worked
[17:37] <Meesterarend> it's only after hitting the gui that things got ...
[17:37] <Kilos> oh well alls well that ends well hey?
[17:37] <Meesterarend> messed up
[17:37] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:37] <Kilos> you on uncapped ?
[17:37] <superfly> inetpro: KDE Telepathy is MUCH better in KDE 4.9 (er... which version is the latest again?)
[17:38] <Meesterarend> i wish
[17:38] <superfly> ohi Meesterarend, long time no see
[17:38] <Meesterarend> hay supperfly
[17:38] <Kilos> eish so do you rsync your archives
[17:38] <Meesterarend> yes i can be very bussy at times
[17:38] <superfly> mmm, supperfly, am I that yummy?
[17:38] <Kilos> downloading from scratch is expensive
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <Meesterarend> I have apt proxy on my netbook
[17:39] <Kilos> he doesnt use tab complete
[17:39] <Meesterarend> downlowded about 300mb max
[17:40] <Meesterarend> I do not that much sorry superfly
[17:40] <Kilos> make a partition you can save archives to then its only the update you need to get
[17:40] <Kilos> 30m
[17:40] <superfly> haha, just teasing, Meesterarend
[17:40] <Meesterarend> :)
[17:40] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <Meesterarend> I used to know all the trick once
[17:41] <Meesterarend> then i got married :D
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> Meesterarend, what service provider you using?
[17:42] <Kilos> voda
[17:43] <Meesterarend> yip
[17:43] <Kilos> try 8ta they got a good special
[17:44] <Meesterarend> still need to w8 for contract to expire
[17:44] <Kilos> 2g + 1g night surfer for R149
[17:44] <Kilos> eish
[17:44] <Meesterarend> then maybe cellc 
[17:44] <Kilos> 8ta is best
[17:44] <Meesterarend> well
[17:44] <Kilos> many are changing over
[17:44] <Meesterarend> i'm planning to leave the contracts 
[17:45] <Meesterarend> and go prepaid
[17:45] <Kilos> ask nuvolari 
[17:45] <Meesterarend> if i have a stable income after this year I'll see about 8ta thoug
[17:46] <Meesterarend> cellc are best for where i'm at atm though
[17:47] <Kilos> just remember you have to fone them first then they activate the sim for 3g while you on the fone
[17:47] <Meesterarend> lowest latency
[17:47] <Meesterarend> and 8ta are only gprs
[17:47] <Kilos> latency?
[17:47] <Kilos> you gotta fone them
[17:47] <Meesterarend> well vodacom are on about 200ms
[17:47] <Kilos> sims arent activared till you fone
[17:48] <Meesterarend> cellc are at least half that
[17:48] <Kilos> how do you check that
[17:48] <Meesterarend> ping google
[17:48] <Meesterarend> or even speedtest.net
[17:49] <Kerbero> :~$ ping6 ipv6.google.com
[17:49] <Kerbero> PING ipv6.google.com(2c0f:fb50:4001:800::1014) 56 data bytes
[17:49] <Kerbero> 64 bytes from 2c0f:fb50:4001:800::1014: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=368 ms
[17:49] <Kerbero> :D
[17:49] <Meesterarend> got better speed on cellc with the same modem
[17:50] <Meesterarend> sound about right kerbero
[17:50] <Kilos> connect: Network is unreachable
[17:50] <Meesterarend> adsl of course have the best times
[17:50] <Kilos> you ping from cli?
[17:51] <Kilos> Kerbero, ?
[17:51] <Kerbero> yes
[17:51] <Kerbero> gtg
[17:51] <Kerbero> bbl
[17:52] <Kerbero> baie min mense het ipv6 support
[17:52] <Kilos> o
[17:52] <Kerbero> ek moes daai hack om te werk, en daarom is dit so besonders
[17:52] <Meesterarend> eheheheh
[17:54]  * nuvolari het nie ipv6 nie :-/
[17:54] <Meesterarend> vodacom is stadig vandag
[17:54] <Meesterarend> waardevol vir Jesus1
[17:54] <Meesterarend> ek try weer
[17:55] <Meesterarend> PING google.com (74.125.233.4) 56(84) bytes of data.
[17:55] <Meesterarend> 64 bytes from cpt01s01-in-f4.1e100.net (74.125.233.4): icmp_req=1 ttl=49 time=549 ms
[17:55] <Meesterarend> daar is die ping
[17:55] <Meesterarend> deur my netwerk na my netboo
[17:55] <Meesterarend> na my foon deur wifi
[17:56] <Meesterarend> en dan na vodacom
[17:56] <nuvolari> PING ipv4.l.google.com (165.165.38.44) 56(84) bytes of data.
[17:56] <nuvolari> 64 bytes from 165.165.38.44: icmp_req=1 ttl=58 time=149 ms
[17:56] <nuvolari> 8ta
[17:56] <nuvolari> ^^
[17:57] <Kilos> ek kannie dit doen nie
[17:57] <Kilos> wat tik  jy in nuvolari 
[17:57] <nuvolari> ping ipv4.google.com
[17:57] <nuvolari> dit oom Kilos  ^^
[17:58] <Kilos> dankie
[17:59] <Kilos> 64 bytes from lhr14s21-in-f18.1e100.net (173.194.34.146): icmp_req=36 ttl=56 time=286 ms
[17:59] <Meesterarend> daai ping time is oorie hele net
[17:59] <Kilos> ah
[17:59] <Meesterarend> van 239 to 948
[17:59] <Meesterarend> en dan eers vir 408
[18:00] <Kilos> wel my 8ta werk baie beter as voda hier
[18:00] <Squirm> oh screw it
[18:00] <Kilos> what now Squirm 
[18:00]  * Squirm install Ubuntu 12.04.1 tonight
[18:00] <Kilos> yay
[18:01] <Meesterarend> i'm still on 12.04 i think
[18:01] <Meesterarend> but my systems are up to date
[18:02] <Squirm> I haven't used Ubuntu in over a year
[18:02] <Squirm> well, haven't had it installed
[18:02] <Meesterarend> so probably
[18:02] <Meesterarend> ahhh
[18:02]  * Squirm waits for bootable flash drive
[18:02] <Squirm> dd takes a while :/
[18:05] <Meesterarend> :)
[18:05] <nuvolari> :-/ I'm addicted to dark chocolate
[18:06] <Meesterarend> well
[18:06] <Meesterarend> on that toppic
[18:06] <nuvolari> yeh?
[18:06] <Squirm> nuvolari: I second that
[18:06] <nuvolari> oh hi naand Meesterarend :)
[18:06] <Meesterarend> i left my addictions after not eating for a month
[18:06] <Meesterarend> :D
[18:07] <Meesterarend> nuvolari: hi
[18:07] <nuvolari> joh, eetstaking Meesterarend ?
[18:07] <Meesterarend> nee vas
[18:07] <nuvolari> ah
[18:07] <nuvolari> water-vas of waai een?
[18:07] <Kilos> hmm nuvolari 
[18:07] <Meesterarend> ja slegs water
[18:07] <Meesterarend> en nagmaal
[18:07] <Kilos> jy gaan nou nou soos n bal lyk
[18:07] <Meesterarend> elke sondag by die kerk
[18:07] <nuvolari> Squirm: spar has a 5-99 special on Nestle slabs :P
[18:08] <Meesterarend> noggals nie
[18:08] <Meesterarend> lekker
[18:08] <Meesterarend> baie gewig verloor
[18:08] <Meesterarend> maar ek voel nou goed
[18:08]  * nuvolari sukkel met sulke vasberadenheid
[18:09] <nuvolari> tjoklits is darm maar lekker 
[18:09] <nuvolari> :P
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Meesterarend> wel dit hang af hoekom mens dit doen
[18:09] <Meesterarend> dit was nogal maklik
[18:09] <Meesterarend> maar aan die einde is ek huis toe gestuur om te rus
[18:09] <Meesterarend> want toe is my energie op
[18:10] <Kilos> sjoe, water vir n maand
[18:10] <Meesterarend> dan is die water nog droog ook :(
[18:10] <nuvolari> 'n mens piepie permanent
[18:10] <nuvolari> :P
[18:10] <Kilos> haha
[18:10] <Meesterarend> ek het gejuig as ek die dag 750ml in kry
[18:11] <Kilos> sonder vleis sal ek dooi
[18:11] <Meesterarend> hehehehe
[18:11] <Meesterarend> wel my tanne pyn as ek te veel van daai goed eet
[18:13] <Meesterarend> so dit was nogals lekker om nie tandpyn te kry nie :D
[18:14] <Kilos> haha
[18:15] <Meesterarend> ek is baie lief vir my steak maar ai
[18:16] <Kilos> nuvolari, 
[18:16] <Kilos> jy het gemis
[18:17] <Kilos> ek wil nie vloek nie
[18:17] <magespawn> evening all
[18:17] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[18:17] <magespawn> is good, is  good, is good. and you?
[18:18] <Meesterarend> hey magespawn
[18:18] <Kilos> good ty since i forked off
[18:18] <magespawn> hey Meesterarend 
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting in 7 days time guys
[18:19] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Monthly meeting in 7 days time guys
[18:19] <Meesterarend> brb 
[18:19] <smile> Didn't I give you, all that I've got too?
[18:20] <Kilos> smile?
[18:20] <Cantide> hey smile '-'
[18:20] <smile> Kilos: http://www.lyrics007.com/Sade%20Lyrics/No%20Ordinary%20Love%20Lyrics.html :)
[18:20] <smile> hi Cantide :D
[18:20] <Kilos> LOL YOU GONE MUSIC MAD
[18:20] <smile> :DD
[18:20] <Kilos> oops
[18:20] <Kilos> sorry
[18:20] <smile> don't mind :)
[18:21] <smile> It's a really beautiful song
[18:21] <smile> I recognise it in my own life :| weird.
[18:21] <magespawn> specially considering sade is more for an older generation
[18:22] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <smile> Lol. I like it. :p
[18:22] <magespawn> normally of course
[18:22]  * smile listens now to Rhythm is a dancer (SNAP)
[18:22] <Kilos> smile, listen to I will always love you by celine deon
[18:23] <smile> I know that song, Kilos. Like it too :p
[18:23] <smile> maybe you mean celine dion :)
[18:23] <Kilos> her too yeah
[18:23] <magespawn> lol
[18:23] <smile> Kilos: I don't like Celine Dion, but I like her music
[18:23] <smile> :p
[18:23] <Kilos> nuvolari, jy nog hier
[18:24] <smile> is jy hier? :o
[18:24] <Kilos> too busy chasing chocolates
[18:24] <Kilos> are you here
[18:24] <Kilos> still here
[18:24] <Kilos> nog hier
[18:25] <Cantide> what are you chasing them with? tequila? '-'
[18:26] <Kilos> hehe
[18:26] <smile> :)
[18:26]  * Squirm takes a deeeeeeeeeeeeep breath
[18:26]  * Squirm writes partitioning changes to disk
[18:27]  * smile is curious if Squirm's disk will survive
[18:27] <smile> :p
[18:27] <Squirm> so am I
[18:27] <smile> :p
[18:28] <Squirm> this install better ask me if I want to install only base system...
[18:28] <smile> bye everyone :)
[18:28] <Squirm> night night
[18:29] <Kilos> night smile 
[18:29] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:29] <smile> thanks, Squirm & Kilos :) you both, also :p
[18:29]  * Squirm waits impatiently
[18:30] <Kilos> lol patience Squirm 
[18:30] <Squirm> 70%...
[18:32] <Kilos> what size stick do you need to make a usb installer thingie
[18:32] <Squirm> enough for the image to fit on to
[18:32] <Kilos> so 2g should work?
[18:32] <bakuman> yes
[18:32] <Squirm> I had a 700mb image on a 8Gb flash drive
[18:32] <Squirm> so yes
[18:32] <Kilos> yay ty bakuman 
[18:32] <bakuman> if g == GB
[18:32] <bakuman> :d
[18:32] <Squirm> lol
[18:33] <magespawn> check this http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=pqzUpeAPqZw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DpqzUpeAPqZw&gl=ZA HawkiesZA
[18:33] <magespawn> from g+
[18:34] <Squirm> AR Drone flight?
[18:34] <Squirm> yeah, I buffered it, forgot about it, now I've formatted and still haven't watched it
[18:36] <inetpro> superfly: KDE SC 4.9.1 was released on September 4th, 2012
[18:37] <inetpro> but I'm still running on 4.8.4 with Kubuntu 12.04.1
[18:37] <inetpro> can't remember what the SC stands for though
[18:39] <Meesterarend> you could try a ppa inetpro
[18:39] <Meesterarend> :P
[18:39] <inetpro> Meesterarend: nah, I'll wait for it
[18:40] <Meesterarend> I would be too impatient
[18:41] <Meesterarend> I like stable put close to the cutting edge thingie
[18:42] <Meesterarend> put = but
[18:42] <inetpro> I don't have a compelling reason to upgrade
[18:42] <Meesterarend> so i'm running my home systems on 3.5 kernel
[18:42] <Meesterarend> ah
[18:43] <inetpro> BTW I was playing around with Google Hangouts over the weekend and must say I'm very impressed
[18:44] <inetpro> face to face video conferencing is very cool
[18:44] <Meesterarend> ok
[18:44] <inetpro> and it even works from mobile to PC now, something that I could not do some time ago
[18:44] <Meesterarend> i used skype for that before
[18:44] <inetpro> or PC to mobile
[18:45] <inetpro> no need for skype with this
[18:45] <Meesterarend> cool
[18:45] <Meesterarend> online then?
[18:45] <inetpro> you can even do screen sharing
[18:45] <inetpro> a very cool feature 
[18:46] <inetpro> but I would love to compare skype and G+ hangouts in a bit more detail
[18:47] <Meesterarend> what's the data usage for something like this?
[18:47] <inetpro> that's exactly what I would like to compare
[18:47] <Kilos> heavy
[18:48] <Meesterarend> i know skype are about 100mb for about 20 minutes of video 2 way
[18:48] <inetpro> at least 500 mbps with full video on boths sides on g+
[18:48] <Meesterarend> ouch
[18:48] <inetpro> but I guess it also depends on other factors, like movement, etc
[18:49] <magespawn> is there video quality adjustments you can make?
[18:49] <Meesterarend> i'll skip on that for now
[18:49] <Meesterarend> :)
[18:49] <Kilos> thats for uncapped peeps
[18:49] <inetpro> two choices, either Fast connection or Slow connection
[18:49] <inetpro> slow connection reduces it by about 50%
[18:50] <inetpro> and if you disable video on both sides it goes down to about 128kbps IIRC
[18:50] <inetpro> but once again it depends on whether you're chatty or not
[18:51] <Meesterarend> that's good for voice chat
[18:52] <inetpro> it varies as you chat
[18:53] <inetpro> and drops almost completely, though I didn't test this specifically, if you keep quiet
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro, is that per second
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: kbps = kilobits per second
[18:53] <Kilos> whew
[18:53] <Kilos> 10 secs per meg
[18:53] <Kilos> oh bits
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[18:53] <Squirm> so on a 384 line, you're kind of stuck
[18:54] <inetpro> but still cheaper than making a voice call on your mobile phone
[18:54] <Meesterarend> yip
[18:54] <Squirm> 10s per meg
[18:55] <Squirm> that's 10000 per gig
[18:55] <inetpro> was chatting to a friend in NZ who's paying less than 1c per MB these days
[18:55] <Squirm> Maaz: 10000/60/60
[18:55] <Maaz> Squirm: 2.77777777778
[18:55] <Meesterarend> especially if you have same data on your phone it can be very cheap
[18:55] <Squirm> 2.7hours at what, R50?
[18:55] <magespawn> not bad
[18:56] <magespawn> if you uncapped then you can really score
[18:56] <inetpro> magespawn: true
[18:56] <Squirm> but that's pc-pc
[18:56] <magespawn> ease of use inetpro?
[18:56] <inetpro> magespawn: extremely easy
[18:56] <magespawn> or pcmto wifi device
[18:56] <magespawn> pc to
[18:57] <magespawn> cool
[18:57] <Squirm> that could work
[18:57] <Squirm> I want to look at some voip solutions
[18:57] <inetpro> the only catch is the first call
[18:57] <Meesterarend> one day when i'm big and rich and oh wait... wrong dream
[18:57] <Meesterarend> :)
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <inetpro> once the plugin is installed it really is very simple
[18:58] <Squirm> lol Meesterarend 
[18:58] <Squirm> inetpro: first call?
[18:59] <inetpro> Squirm: if you introduce someone who has never used it
[18:59] <magespawn> like Astrix, Squirm ?
[18:59] <Squirm> magespawn: in the end, yes
[18:59] <Squirm> but instead of going out on a landline, setup external voip services
[18:59] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:59] <magespawn> 3cx i think is astrix based
[19:00] <magespawn> night Kilos
[19:00] <Meesterarend> night Kilos
[19:00] <Squirm> are you kidding me!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[19:00] <inetpro> I even had a chat from my ubuntu with someone else walking around with his iPad
[19:00] <Squirm> so I'm isntall Ubuntu 12.04
[19:00] <Squirm> no where does it ask me what packages I wanted to install
[19:00] <Squirm> it just did it
[19:01] <Squirm> and now, at 80%, it's asking me to insert a disk
[19:01] <Squirm> an install, from an alternate iso, is asking for another cd
[19:01] <inetpro> was kind of cool to see the inside of his house and his family
[19:03] <inetpro> Squirm: huh?
[19:04] <Squirm> inetpro: I decided to install Ubuntu, do a base install. but I downloaded the alternate cd, thinking it would prompt me as to what packages I would like to install
[19:04] <Squirm> but alas, after partitioning, it went along and just started to install, no prompts, nada
[19:04] <inetpro> eish
[19:04] <Squirm> now, at 80%, it's asking me to inset a cd
[19:04] <inetpro> no, there's no choosing of packages
[19:05] <inetpro> hmm... asking for a disk?
[19:05] <inetpro> that is strange
[19:05] <inetpro> Squirm: what did you download?
[19:06] <Squirm> I'm sure I downloaded Ubuntu alternate...
[19:06] <inetpro> URL
[19:06] <inetpro> ?
[19:06]  * Squirm changes console in the installer
[19:07] <Squirm> a 692.3M iso, ubuntu-12.04.1-alternate-i386.iso
[19:07] <Squirm> from a torrent file I got off the Ubuntu website
[19:09] <Squirm> hmm, time to download the minimal installer and try again
[19:10] <magespawn> never had any of my installations ask me for a disk, wierd
[19:11] <Squirm> well, either way. I was hoping for it to prompt me to install selected packages
[19:11] <Squirm> now I have to wait 40min for a 30Mb file to download :/
[19:12] <Squirm> and when was the last time the ubuntu.mirror.ac.za was updated?
[19:13] <Squirm> highest I see is 11.10
[19:15] <magespawn> under ubuntu-release?
[19:15] <Meesterarend> that happend to me some few releases ago
[19:15] <Meesterarend> but not recently though
[19:16] <Meesterarend> usually a faulty write
[19:17] <magespawn> how is this http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/12.04.1/
[19:17] <Meesterarend> as for being asked about what to intall i think just the server edition does that
[19:17] <Squirm> are you sure?
[19:17] <Squirm> I know the mini does that though too
[19:18] <Meesterarend> not very i usually use only the gui install
[19:18] <Meesterarend> it seems faster some how
[19:19] <Squirm> thing is, I don't want to install the standard gui
[19:20] <Meesterarend> I gathered that 
[19:20] <Squirm> :P
[19:20] <Squirm> I'm difficult, I know
[19:20] <Meesterarend> :D
[19:20] <inetpro> Squirm: I'm not aware of a mini install 
[19:20] <Squirm> either way, I have to go somewhere now. I have a half installed OS
[19:21] <Meesterarend> something like JEOS
[19:21] <Squirm> inetpro: I'm downloading it now. though it seems it's 12.04 not 12.04.1, but that's ok
[19:21] <inetpro> very interesting
[19:22]  * inetpro checks it out at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:22] <Meesterarend> if you have a sandisk flash stick you might be able to resize the cdrom partition on it, and write an image to that
[19:22] <magespawn> Squirm: did you have a look at that link i sent?
[19:22] <Meesterarend> much more reliable that the flashstick install
[19:22] <Meesterarend> that = than
[19:23] <Squirm> I did magespawn, thanks.
[19:23] <magespawn> cool
[19:23] <Squirm> I'm also downloading the server iso
[19:23] <Squirm> 2 hours till it's completed. I'll be sleeping by that time :P
[19:25] <Meesterarend> well i usualy leave it running and atend to it the next time i get to it :P
[19:26] <magespawn> is there a way to download an entire youtube channel?
[19:26] <magespawn> like hak5
[19:26] <Cantide> night guys '-'
[19:26] <magespawn> good night Cantide 
[19:27] <queery> hi
[19:27] <Meesterarend> always magespawn
[19:27] <Meesterarend> try wget for a hack
[19:27] <Squirm> Meesterarend: I usually would, but I don't have a usable desktop :P
[19:27] <queery> does anyone know the link to tumbleweed's post on how to set up 'n repo for a release party?
[19:28] <Meesterarend> or maybe something similar
[19:28] <tumbleweed> Maaz: google release party mirror tumbleweed
[19:28] <Maaz> tumbleweed: "Release Party Ubuntu Mirror | Tumbleweed Rants" http://tumbleweed.org.za/2010/10/09/release-party-ubuntu-mirror :: "Tumbleweed Rants | Stefano's World" http://tumbleweed.org.za/ :: "ubuntu | Tumbleweed Rants" http://tumbleweed.org.za/tags/ubuntu :: "Recent posts | Tumbleweed Rants" http://tumbleweed.org.za/tracker :: "Portal:Tumbleweed - openSUSE" http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed :: "The Satellite » Past Shows" http://
[19:28] <tumbleweed> queery: ^
[19:28] <Meesterarend> sound like fun Squirm
[19:28] <queery> hi thanx tumbleweed 
[19:29] <magespawn> lol tumbleweed 
[19:29] <magespawn> might take awhile they have a few videos
[19:29] <queery> I didn't know the keywords
[19:29] <Meesterarend> that is one clever bot
[19:30] <Squirm> HD videos don't play on my netbook :/
[19:30] <queery> Maaz, botsnack
[19:30] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[19:30] <Meesterarend> hhehehehehehe
[19:31] <Meesterarend> reincode it Squirm :) it might take a while though
[19:31] <Squirm> a while?
[19:31] <Squirm> lol
[19:31] <Meesterarend> I would not try it on a netbook
[19:31] <Squirm> 2min
[19:32] <superfly> tumbleweed: you said beta was released the other day, or is due to be released soon?
[19:32] <tumbleweed> superfly: released last thursday
[19:33] <Meesterarend> well i work on 60 min+ dvd quality and that take my desktop about 30 minutes
[19:33] <superfly> ah, OK\
[19:33]  * superfly thinks it's his turn to upgrade
[19:33] <tumbleweed> living on the edge? :)
[19:34] <Meesterarend> nah ubuntu releases aren't living on the edge
[19:34] <Meesterarend> for that you need to go fedora
[19:34] <Meesterarend> i think
[19:35] <tumbleweed> yeah, rawhide is fairly edgy
[19:36] <Meesterarend> I do not understand that people install fedora on a production system and expect it to work
[19:37] <Meesterarend> i've tested it long ago and did not even like it
[19:43] <magespawn> i thought it was okay tried 5 and then jumped to 13 i think
[19:44] <Meesterarend> I had to jump through to many hoops trying to get my sound working
[19:44] <Meesterarend> ubuntu worked better though
[19:44] <Meesterarend> still
[19:45] <Meesterarend> fedora are marked as a beta product for redhat an centos
[19:45] <Meesterarend> Mandriva was great
[19:46] <Meesterarend> and suse isn't  bad either
[19:46] <Meesterarend> just not my cup of tea
[19:49] <magespawn> strangely enough it was the community that decided me, and the company behind ubuntu, and the amount of online documentation.
[19:49] <magespawn> overall usefulness
[19:49] <Meesterarend> hehhheeheheh
[19:49] <Meesterarend> yip
[19:50] <Meesterarend> I started when i had to get a terminal system up and running
[19:50] <magespawn> despite what happens or appears to happen on the lists
[19:50] <Meesterarend> did not work first time on windows
[19:50] <Meesterarend> got ubuntu
[19:51] <Meesterarend> 64bit did not work
[19:51] <Meesterarend> but i came closer to cracking it
[19:51] <Meesterarend> than a proffessor working with it every day
[19:52] <Meesterarend> i tried windows again
[19:52] <Meesterarend> and the system worked...seeing the hamer i hid in my toolbox
[19:53] <Meesterarend> but I realy was hooked on ubuntu by that time
[19:53] <magespawn> i still work with both
[19:54] <Meesterarend> Strange how first experiances can do something like that hey
[19:56] <magespawn> yep
[20:00] <Meesterarend> brb
[20:03] <magespawn> just watching neo fight seriph
[20:03] <magespawn> later all battery is dying
[20:03] <Meesterarend> bye
[20:03] <Meesterarend> gota work too
[20:06] <superfly> tumbleweed: always :-P
[20:59] <Squirm> meh
[20:59] <Squirm> getting there
[21:04] <inetpro> Eish!
[21:05] <inetpro> something telling me that 8ta is having DNS issues
[21:05] <Kerbero> no
[21:05] <Kerbero> the world is
[21:05] <Kerbero> http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/09/10/190247/godaddy-goes-down-anonymous-claims-responsibility
[21:05] <inetpro> Kerbero: ahh
[21:05] <inetpro> Yikes!
[21:05]  * inetpro didn't realise the impact
[21:06] <Kerbero> everybody that uses godaddy's dns servers are having problems
[21:06] <inetpro> sjoe
[21:07] <inetpro> thanks Kerbero
[21:09] <Squirm> that's me too
[21:09] <Squirm> I can still ping my site htough
[21:11] <inetpro> looks like GoDaddy has hit instant fame
[21:13] <Squirm> yeah baby
[21:26] <Squirm> now just a mission installing everything
[21:26] <Squirm> thankfully I still have most of my configs for apps
[21:33]  * inetpro wonders what servers godaddy are using for DNS 
[21:33] <superfly> inetpro: Windows
[21:33] <inetpro> superfly: are you serious!?
[21:33] <superfly> yuhuh
[21:33] <inetpro> wow!
[21:34] <inetpro> superfly: where did you get that?
[21:35] <superfly> inetpro: read it long time ago... there was an "uproar" because a whole bunch of domains (parked ones, I think) that previously said they were on Linux hosts were now on Windows hosts, and it was apparently because GoDaddy moved to Windows
[21:35] <inetpro> eish!
[21:37] <superfly> I don't like GoDaddy's business practices, so I stay far away from them, but yeah... lots of people use them for DNS
[21:39] <Squirm> makes sense. I have a domain with them. use a different DNS service though
[21:46] <superfly> Squirm: you mean you control your own nameservers?
[21:46] <superfly> or rather, your domain is on nameservers not at GoDaddy
[21:47] <Squirm> so I registered my .net domain through godaddy, but the NS is hosted elsewhere
[21:49] <superfly> right. I use Gandi.net for registering, and I also have separate nameservers
[21:49] <superfly> though I know Gandi uses Linux nameservers
[21:51] <Squirm> I'm with...
[21:52] <Squirm> Hostgator
[21:52] <Squirm> have a reseller account with them
[21:54] <Squirm> superfly: on a new system, what's the easiest way to get sound working?
[21:54] <superfly> Squirm: uh, sound has pretty much always worked for me
[21:55] <superfly> I used to uninstall PulseAudio, since it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but these days the other apps expect pulseaudio :-(
[21:55] <Squirm> but from scratch? it works with a normal install
[21:55] <inetpro> Squirm: check with alsamixer
[21:55] <superfly> Squirm: I use Kubuntu, everything always just works
[21:55] <inetpro> maybe something is just muted
[21:55] <superfly> :-P
[21:56] <superfly> night peeps
[21:56] <Squirm> inetpro: yeah, I'm downloading it now
[21:56] <Squirm> Cannot open mixer: No such device or address
[21:57] <inetpro> eish!
[21:57] <inetpro> good luck
[21:57]  * inetpro goes sleeping
[21:57] <inetpro> good night
[21:57] <Squirm> Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
[21:57] <Squirm> cannot open mixer: No such device or address
[21:57] <Squirm> :/