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len-dtWow our ISO must be really messed up...http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ is totally empty, normally even for a failed build something shows.03:36
len-dtOr the old one stays03:47
Hypnotoadlen-dt: Xubuntu has that issue in /current/ too.10:24
len-dtailo, in seeds 12:58
len-dt"* package 12:58
len-dtis a depend12:58
smartboyhwlen-dt: We now got 20120909 build to test:)12:58
len-dt * (package) recomends12:59
len-dtYa it showed up.12:59
len-dtThere will be bigger changes in todays... I hope.13:03
micahglen-dt: so, cjwatson uploaded the new meta, the binaries need to go through NEW13:15
len-dtOk, I am not sure what that means13:16
len-dtmicahg, is there some action required to get them through NEW or is that automatic?13:19
micahgreviewed when the archive admins get to it13:19
len-dtOk. I see they showed in #ubuntu-release13:20
ailo-wlen-dt: As you said, pretty simple (unless I'm missing something). One item done at least https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds13:41
smartboyhwailo-w: Let me try that13:42
ailo-wsmartboyhw: This is just for reference. I don't manage seeds myself even. The important thing is to make sure we have the right list of applications13:45
ailo-wAnd of course, some helpful docs on how to manage seeds, for developers who will be managing them13:46
smartboyhwailo-w: That IS interesting:)13:46
ailo-wsmartboyhw: I understand that you are eager to try things, but you will have to have patience if you really want to become an Ubuntu Studio developer13:46
smartboyhwHAHAHA I said it looks interesting:)13:47
ailo-wscott-work: sup Chief?13:48
smartboyhwGood evening sir scott13:49
scott-workhi ailo-w  and smartboyhw 13:49
scott-worki'm sore from the gym but feeling good about a busy, busy weekend13:50
scott-workhow are you doing?13:50
smartboyhwFine I got busted13:50
ailo-wscott-work: You started working out recently?13:50
smartboyhwscott-work: How are your muscles13:50
ailo-wTime to leave the office :P13:53
smartboyhwNow we wait for ailo's cycle back to home:)13:53
* len-dt is off to work14:10
* smartboyhw is chatting in #ubuntuforums14:10
ailoOnly takes me about 10 min, but I don't come here right away :P14:17
smartboyhw;P14:17
scott-workailo: i did start "officially" working out, but there is more to the story16:30
scott-workafter i left the marine corps i was regularly exercising but also drinking too much16:31
scott-workover time, the drinking increased further but the exercise reduced to nothing16:31
scott-worki gained much weight, i was very close to 300 pounds at one point16:31
scott-worki _am_ a big guy, 6'2", but 300 pounds is waaaay too much16:32
scott-workaround five years ago i quit drinking, haven't done it since then, and i started watching what i eat and exercising more16:32
scott-worki have lost around 40 pounds since then, but i want more results16:33
scott-workso, my goal is to really become healthier, both in regards to cardio but also the strength i used to have16:35
scott-workand i feel that i need a gym with a program to accomplish this16:35
scott-workthe trainer i have met with already is quite more knowledgeable than i about the body, working out, etc16:35
scott-workso while it bothers me that the gym/trainer is costing as much money as it is, i believe it will be eventually worth the cost and i plan to maximize my experience16:38
scott-workinteresting thing about the gym/trainer: i suffer from migraines almost monthly, trainer asks my about physical problems preventing proper training so i tell him all the crap i've done to my body16:39
scott-workhe says, let me look at your back/neck, starts poking around, then says, you have many, many knotted muscles in your upper back, i saw the way you sat, it was slightly hunched over like your being pulled down, do you have much stress? it looks like your knotted back/neck might be causing your migraines16:41
scott-workthey will certainly prevent you from exercising properly, let's fix that16:41
scott-worki like that16:41
ailoscott-work: Sounds great17:53
ailoIf there's anything I would recommend for anyone to do, ever, it's working out17:54
ailoIt can only improve things17:54
scott-workailo: last year i was taking tae-kwon-do and i thoroughly enjoyed it, i realized how much i missed physical activity, especially the hard, physical contact, since i had left the corps17:59
scott-workone shouldn't undervalue the stress relieving aspect of hitting something (or someone) very, very hard :P17:59
scott-workso i am looking forward to working out for the stress relieving aspects as well18:00
ailoscott-work: I do a bit of boxing myself, but I find that just getting the body to work hard is what makes wonders18:22
ailoI have a theory that some people just need to move a lot to be stable18:22
scott-workhehe, i have read a bit of eastern philosophy/war/combat literature over the years and also learned about some of eastern medicine, not to any great depth, but i've read some18:47
scott-workone of the things that is striking to me is how balance is strived towards18:48
scott-workthe fierce warrior, killed hundreds, but paints or arranges flowers18:48
scott-workacupuncture that demonstrates a pin in the foot can relieve a migraine18:49
scott-worka pin in the foot _at the right place_, mind you :P18:49
scott-worki believe in balance as well, it just makes too much sense to not be right (plus there are thousands of years of eastern experience that backs it up)18:50
scott-workso, i think it is likely that most people would be more stable with exercise18:50
keithlHello. I'm trying to build ffado from subversion to get rme ff 400 going. I'm on ubuntustudio 12, and the build fails when llooking for devicemanager.h. Any suggestions, either on getting ff400 to work or on the build issue?19:37
holsteinkeithl: i would look for a ppa19:49
holsteinfirst place i would look is the KXstudio ppa's19:49
keithlholstein: I'll give that a shot - they have a more up to date snapshot?19:50
holsteinkeithl: not sure.. we will be "stuck" at the version 12.04 shipped with19:56
holsteinyou can also download 12.10 beta and try that live19:57
keithlholstein: Does that have the very latest version?19:57
holsteinkeithl: i wouldnt know without looking19:57
holsteinkeithl: you have a lot of variables to tackle19:57
holsteinyou dont know what version of ffado is anywhere.. and you dont know that the latest will "fix" anything for you19:58
holsteini try and use live CD's since they are an easy way to test without "breaking" my system19:58
keithlThat is what worries me :-). I've seen notes on the svn version supporting the ff interface, but is seems iffy19:59
keithlholstein: I'll try the live CD and see if gets me anywhere19:59
keithlholstein: Taking a different approach, do you use a firewire interface (pro level)?20:02
keithlholstein: I might be able to get my client to purchase a different box20:02
holsteinkeithl: RME is good gear... do you need firewire?20:03
holsteini use a presonus firepod and find it quite acceptable quality20:03
holsteinthe focusrite saphire 40 is nice fo the $$ as well20:03
ailokeithl: On build issues, I would query at the #ffado channel. Missing headers usually means you need to install some dev packages20:04
keithlholstein: I'll look those up. Any tricky config issuse? Needing something that "just works"20:04
keithlailo: Good idea - I just could not figure out which package i needed20:04
ailokeithl: To get all the dependencies for ffado, do: sudo apt-get build-dep libffado220:05
ailoAnd whatever other packages involved20:05
holsteinthe firepod works out of the box20:05
keithlailo: Hmm.I think I did build-dep libffado ( no 2)20:06
ailokeithl: Why are you compiling? Is the device not supported until a newer release?20:06
ailoI find compiling ffado is a bit of trouble. More than it's worth most of the time20:07
keithlailo: From what I can tell, the ff400 is not supported in the version of ffado I have by default (ubuntustudio 12)20:07
keithlailo: But I could just be missing something basic20:07
keithlailo: I am totally new to trying firewire - been doing all my dsp work using jack and faust20:08
ailokeithl: I can't really tell, but it seems like it should work with the default ffado20:09
ailokeithl: Try the live image for Ubuntu Studio 12.10 to try a newer one20:09
ailoThat should be a quick way to find out20:10
ailokeithl: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/beta-1/20:10
holsteinyeah... ive just borked my current install so bad trying to get firewire to work in the past20:10
holsteinand it was just a JACK config in the end that was the issue20:10
ailokeithl: Ah, did you set up realtime privilege?20:11
ailokeithl: audio group?20:11
holsteinkeithl: i suggest having the live 12.04 handy... but that in and issue gksudo qjackctl20:11
holsteintry the "firewire" driver, and see if it "just works"20:11
holsteinrunning temproarily as root can really help troubleshoot firewire20:11
ailoWell, it only tells you if you're in audio group or not20:12
ailoYou can find that out with groups too20:12
ailoUnless of course the device is so unusual, it's not listed in the udev rules20:12
ailoIn which case, you need to be root to run it, until you add a rule for it20:12
keithlailo: holstein Gving a try20:13
ailoThis seems to the rule for RME: 20:14
ailoATTR{vendor}=="0x000a35", ATTR{units}=="0x000a35:0x00000[12]", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # RME20:14
ailoin /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules20:14
holsteinRME is typically well supported20:14
ailoon pci, yes20:14
keithlailo: Had seen a lot of refs to it not being supported, but perhaps they are old20:15
keithlstupid question - how do I add/edit the rule?20:15
keithlstarting as root did not make a diff20:15
ailokeithl: It should already be there. If you like, just double check the file above20:15
ailokeithl: I recommend you try the Ubuntu Studio 12.10 beta image, I linked you to. It's the newest there is, and it's all set up for realtime audio/ firewire20:16
ailoIf that doesn't work, you might not have much luck compiling either20:16
keithlYup. The rme rule is in there20:17
ailokeithl: starting jack as root doesn't need a rule though20:17
keithlI'll try the beta and see if that works20:17
ailoholstein: For ffado, there are only two RME devices, and neither are fully supported yet20:18
ailoEr, no, scratch that20:18
ailoIt says full support for both20:19
ailohmm20:19
ailoBut it's pretty recent, anyway20:19
keithlfor the beta or for he current version?20:19
holsteinyeah, last time i checked, FW looked OK for RME20:19
ailoIt was still not fully supported in April though20:20
holsteinyup.. but 12.10 might have it20:20
holsteinand i would just run 12.10, and not worry about it20:20
holsteininstall, and upgrade next month after it goes final20:20
ailokeithl: Just try the live image first, and see if you can get your device working http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/beta-1/20:21
ailoIf it works, then think about installing20:21
keithlailo: holstein: That sounds like the best approach20:22
ailoholstein: I guess kxstudio has the latest for 12.04?20:22
keithlailo: holstein: Thanks for all the help. I'm downloading now. I'll let you know if it works.20:23
keithlThanks again20:23
holsteinailo: im not sure, but falk usually keeps that stuff up to date20:24
ailoyea20:25
ailoTomorrow I'm running 25 laps around a lawn20:25
ailo10'000m. First time on a track20:25
holsteinwow! is that too make up for sitting around today?20:25
ailoI'm folling around with athletics lately20:26
ailofooling*20:26
ailoGotta get some rest. see you guys later20:26
holsteinailo: gn!20:28

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