[03:36] <len-dt> Wow our ISO must be really messed up...http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ is totally empty, normally even for a failed build something shows.
[03:47] <len-dt> Or the old one stays
[10:24] <Hypnotoad> len-dt: Xubuntu has that issue in /current/ too.
[12:58] <len-dt> ailo, in seeds 
[12:58] <len-dt> "* package 
[12:58] <len-dt> is a depend
[12:58] <smartboyhw> len-dt: We now got 20120909 build to test:)
[12:59] <len-dt>  * (package) recomends
[12:59] <len-dt> Ya it showed up.
[13:03] <len-dt> There will be bigger changes in todays... I hope.
[13:15] <micahg> len-dt: so, cjwatson uploaded the new meta, the binaries need to go through NEW
[13:16] <len-dt> Ok, I am not sure what that means
[13:19] <len-dt> micahg, is there some action required to get them through NEW or is that automatic?
[13:19] <micahg> reviewed when the archive admins get to it
[13:20] <len-dt> Ok. I see they showed in #ubuntu-release
[13:41] <ailo-w> len-dt: As you said, pretty simple (unless I'm missing something). One item done at least https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds
[13:42] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: Let me try that
[13:45] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: This is just for reference. I don't manage seeds myself even. The important thing is to make sure we have the right list of applications
[13:46] <ailo-w> And of course, some helpful docs on how to manage seeds, for developers who will be managing them
[13:46] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: That IS interesting:)
[13:46] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: I understand that you are eager to try things, but you will have to have patience if you really want to become an Ubuntu Studio developer
[13:47] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA I said it looks interesting:)
[13:48] <ailo-w> scott-work: sup Chief?
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Good evening sir scott
[13:49] <scott-work> hi ailo-w  and smartboyhw 
[13:50] <scott-work> i'm sore from the gym but feeling good about a busy, busy weekend
[13:50] <scott-work> how are you doing?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Fine I got busted
[13:50] <ailo-w> scott-work: You started working out recently?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> scott-work: How are your muscles
[13:53] <ailo-w> Time to leave the office :P
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Now we wait for ailo's cycle back to home:)
[14:10]  * len-dt is off to work
[14:10]  * smartboyhw is chatting in #ubuntuforums
[14:17] <ailo> Only takes me about 10 min, but I don't come here right away :P
[14:17] <smartboyhw> ;P
[16:30] <scott-work> ailo: i did start "officially" working out, but there is more to the story
[16:31] <scott-work> after i left the marine corps i was regularly exercising but also drinking too much
[16:31] <scott-work> over time, the drinking increased further but the exercise reduced to nothing
[16:31] <scott-work> i gained much weight, i was very close to 300 pounds at one point
[16:32] <scott-work> i _am_ a big guy, 6'2", but 300 pounds is waaaay too much
[16:32] <scott-work> around five years ago i quit drinking, haven't done it since then, and i started watching what i eat and exercising more
[16:33] <scott-work> i have lost around 40 pounds since then, but i want more results
[16:35] <scott-work> so, my goal is to really become healthier, both in regards to cardio but also the strength i used to have
[16:35] <scott-work> and i feel that i need a gym with a program to accomplish this
[16:35] <scott-work> the trainer i have met with already is quite more knowledgeable than i about the body, working out, etc
[16:38] <scott-work> so while it bothers me that the gym/trainer is costing as much money as it is, i believe it will be eventually worth the cost and i plan to maximize my experience
[16:39] <scott-work> interesting thing about the gym/trainer: i suffer from migraines almost monthly, trainer asks my about physical problems preventing proper training so i tell him all the crap i've done to my body
[16:41] <scott-work> he says, let me look at your back/neck, starts poking around, then says, you have many, many knotted muscles in your upper back, i saw the way you sat, it was slightly hunched over like your being pulled down, do you have much stress? it looks like your knotted back/neck might be causing your migraines
[16:41] <scott-work> they will certainly prevent you from exercising properly, let's fix that
[16:41] <scott-work> i like that
[17:53] <ailo> scott-work: Sounds great
[17:54] <ailo> If there's anything I would recommend for anyone to do, ever, it's working out
[17:54] <ailo> It can only improve things
[17:59] <scott-work> ailo: last year i was taking tae-kwon-do and i thoroughly enjoyed it, i realized how much i missed physical activity, especially the hard, physical contact, since i had left the corps
[17:59] <scott-work> one shouldn't undervalue the stress relieving aspect of hitting something (or someone) very, very hard :P
[18:00] <scott-work> so i am looking forward to working out for the stress relieving aspects as well
[18:22] <ailo> scott-work: I do a bit of boxing myself, but I find that just getting the body to work hard is what makes wonders
[18:22] <ailo> I have a theory that some people just need to move a lot to be stable
[18:47] <scott-work> hehe, i have read a bit of eastern philosophy/war/combat literature over the years and also learned about some of eastern medicine, not to any great depth, but i've read some
[18:48] <scott-work> one of the things that is striking to me is how balance is strived towards
[18:48] <scott-work> the fierce warrior, killed hundreds, but paints or arranges flowers
[18:49] <scott-work> acupuncture that demonstrates a pin in the foot can relieve a migraine
[18:49] <scott-work> a pin in the foot _at the right place_, mind you :P
[18:50] <scott-work> i believe in balance as well, it just makes too much sense to not be right (plus there are thousands of years of eastern experience that backs it up)
[18:50] <scott-work> so, i think it is likely that most people would be more stable with exercise
[19:37] <keithl> Hello. I'm trying to build ffado from subversion to get rme ff 400 going. I'm on ubuntustudio 12, and the build fails when llooking for devicemanager.h. Any suggestions, either on getting ff400 to work or on the build issue?
[19:49] <holstein> keithl: i would look for a ppa
[19:49] <holstein> first place i would look is the KXstudio ppa's
[19:50] <keithl> holstein: I'll give that a shot - they have a more up to date snapshot?
[19:56] <holstein> keithl: not sure.. we will be "stuck" at the version 12.04 shipped with
[19:57] <holstein> you can also download 12.10 beta and try that live
[19:57] <keithl> holstein: Does that have the very latest version?
[19:57] <holstein> keithl: i wouldnt know without looking
[19:57] <holstein> keithl: you have a lot of variables to tackle
[19:58] <holstein> you dont know what version of ffado is anywhere.. and you dont know that the latest will "fix" anything for you
[19:58] <holstein> i try and use live CD's since they are an easy way to test without "breaking" my system
[19:59] <keithl> That is what worries me :-). I've seen notes on the svn version supporting the ff interface, but is seems iffy
[19:59] <keithl> holstein: I'll try the live CD and see if gets me anywhere
[20:02] <keithl> holstein: Taking a different approach, do you use a firewire interface (pro level)?
[20:02] <keithl> holstein: I might be able to get my client to purchase a different box
[20:03] <holstein> keithl: RME is good gear... do you need firewire?
[20:03] <holstein> i use a presonus firepod and find it quite acceptable quality
[20:03] <holstein> the focusrite saphire 40 is nice fo the $$ as well
[20:04] <ailo> keithl: On build issues, I would query at the #ffado channel. Missing headers usually means you need to install some dev packages
[20:04] <keithl> holstein: I'll look those up. Any tricky config issuse? Needing something that "just works"
[20:04] <keithl> ailo: Good idea - I just could not figure out which package i needed
[20:05] <ailo> keithl: To get all the dependencies for ffado, do: sudo apt-get build-dep libffado2
[20:05] <ailo> And whatever other packages involved
[20:05] <holstein> the firepod works out of the box
[20:06] <keithl> ailo: Hmm.I think I did build-dep libffado ( no 2)
[20:06] <ailo> keithl: Why are you compiling? Is the device not supported until a newer release?
[20:07] <ailo> I find compiling ffado is a bit of trouble. More than it's worth most of the time
[20:07] <keithl> ailo: From what I can tell, the ff400 is not supported in the version of ffado I have by default (ubuntustudio 12)
[20:07] <keithl> ailo: But I could just be missing something basic
[20:08] <keithl> ailo: I am totally new to trying firewire - been doing all my dsp work using jack and faust
[20:09] <ailo> keithl: I can't really tell, but it seems like it should work with the default ffado
[20:09] <ailo> keithl: Try the live image for Ubuntu Studio 12.10 to try a newer one
[20:10] <ailo> That should be a quick way to find out
[20:10] <ailo> keithl: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/beta-1/
[20:10] <holstein> yeah... ive just borked my current install so bad trying to get firewire to work in the past
[20:10] <holstein> and it was just a JACK config in the end that was the issue
[20:11] <ailo> keithl: Ah, did you set up realtime privilege?
[20:11] <ailo> keithl: audio group?
[20:11] <holstein> keithl: i suggest having the live 12.04 handy... but that in and issue gksudo qjackctl
[20:11] <holstein> try the "firewire" driver, and see if it "just works"
[20:11] <holstein> running temproarily as root can really help troubleshoot firewire
[20:12] <ailo> Well, it only tells you if you're in audio group or not
[20:12] <ailo> You can find that out with groups too
[20:12] <ailo> Unless of course the device is so unusual, it's not listed in the udev rules
[20:12] <ailo> In which case, you need to be root to run it, until you add a rule for it
[20:13] <keithl> ailo: holstein Gving a try
[20:14] <ailo> This seems to the rule for RME: 
[20:14] <ailo> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000a35", ATTR{units}=="0x000a35:0x00000[12]", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # RME
[20:14] <ailo> in /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules
[20:14] <holstein> RME is typically well supported
[20:14] <ailo> on pci, yes
[20:15] <keithl> ailo: Had seen a lot of refs to it not being supported, but perhaps they are old
[20:15] <keithl> stupid question - how do I add/edit the rule?
[20:15] <keithl> starting as root did not make a diff
[20:15] <ailo> keithl: It should already be there. If you like, just double check the file above
[20:16] <ailo> keithl: I recommend you try the Ubuntu Studio 12.10 beta image, I linked you to. It's the newest there is, and it's all set up for realtime audio/ firewire
[20:16] <ailo> If that doesn't work, you might not have much luck compiling either
[20:17] <keithl> Yup. The rme rule is in there
[20:17] <ailo> keithl: starting jack as root doesn't need a rule though
[20:17] <keithl> I'll try the beta and see if that works
[20:18] <ailo> holstein: For ffado, there are only two RME devices, and neither are fully supported yet
[20:18] <ailo> Er, no, scratch that
[20:19] <ailo> It says full support for both
[20:19] <ailo> hmm
[20:19] <ailo> But it's pretty recent, anyway
[20:19] <keithl> for the beta or for he current version?
[20:19] <holstein> yeah, last time i checked, FW looked OK for RME
[20:20] <ailo> It was still not fully supported in April though
[20:20] <holstein> yup.. but 12.10 might have it
[20:20] <holstein> and i would just run 12.10, and not worry about it
[20:20] <holstein> install, and upgrade next month after it goes final
[20:21] <ailo> keithl: Just try the live image first, and see if you can get your device working http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/beta-1/
[20:21] <ailo> If it works, then think about installing
[20:22] <keithl> ailo: holstein: That sounds like the best approach
[20:22] <ailo> holstein: I guess kxstudio has the latest for 12.04?
[20:23] <keithl> ailo: holstein: Thanks for all the help. I'm downloading now. I'll let you know if it works.
[20:23] <keithl> Thanks again
[20:24] <holstein> ailo: im not sure, but falk usually keeps that stuff up to date
[20:25] <ailo> yea
[20:25] <ailo> Tomorrow I'm running 25 laps around a lawn
[20:25] <ailo> 10'000m. First time on a track
[20:25] <holstein> wow! is that too make up for sitting around today?
[20:26] <ailo> I'm folling around with athletics lately
[20:26] <ailo> fooling*
[20:26] <ailo> Gotta get some rest. see you guys later
[20:28] <holstein> ailo: gn!