[00:13] <SirFunk> anyone using a motu 8pre with ubuntu studio?
[00:25] <ailo> SirFunk: Check ffados home page for firewire device support
[00:25] <ailo> http://ffado.org/
[00:28] <SirFunk> yeah.. it says it's experimental (with a bunch of people reporting it working) .. but for me it's not being recognized.. was hoping to find someone who has experience with it
[00:28] <ailo> SirFunk: ffado has a mail list
[00:29] <ailo> You could try asking there for more detailed info
[00:29] <SirFunk> hmm.. ok, i may have to do that
[00:29] <ailo> It's either that or LAU - Linux Audio User
[00:31] <ailo> experimental is pretty promising though
[00:31] <ailo> It's sort of the step below supported
[00:32] <ailo> I have a focusrite pro 40, which is labeled experimental, but I think it's more or less fully supported by now
[00:33] <ailo> Can't say how much experimental it is, but at least something should be working on it
[00:33] <ailo> I mean, whatever is labeled experimental
[00:34] <ailo> The pro 40 is not really that experimental anymore
[00:35] <SirFunk> yeah.. i don't know I'm not even sure where to start. ffado-mixer says no recognized devices
[00:35] <SirFunk> that's about as far as i've gotten
[00:40] <ailo> SirFunk: The mixer is a different beast.
[00:40] <ailo> It only controls internal routing
[00:41] <ailo> So, not really involved in the actual audio streaming
[00:49] <ailo> SirFunk: The big deal is really whether you can get it to run with jack
[00:52] <SirFunk> ahh
[00:52] <SirFunk> what's the simplest way to see if jack can use it?
[00:53] <ailo> SirFunk: Just start it with the firewire driver
[00:53] <ailo> SirFunk: Are you on Ubuntu Studio?
[00:54] <SirFunk> well... ubuntu
[00:54] <SirFunk> jackd -d firewire ?
[00:55] <ailo> SirFunk: Did you add yourself to audio group?
[00:55] <SirFunk> firewire ERR: FFADO: Error creating virtual device    Cannot attach audio driver    JackServer::Open() failed with -1    Failed to open server
[00:55] <SirFunk> yup
[00:55] <ailo> Make sure you can start jack with any alsa card first
[00:56] <ailo> If yes, then try firewire
[00:56] <SirFunk> looks fine with alsa
[00:56] <ailo> One thing I have to do with my device is power it first, then attach the cable
[00:57] <SirFunk> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/65  seems a lot of people are getting success with ffado-mixer first
[00:57] <SirFunk> but the posts are also really old when they were using the old firewire stack
[00:58] <ailo> Well, it should work with the mixer then
[00:58] <ailo> I suppose trying their "dance" using another OS may be one thing to try
[00:58] <ailo> Seems like an odd device
[00:59] <ailo> Converter mode is when it's only used as an ADAT device or something?
[01:00] <ailo> Well, I'm the wrong person to ask anyway..
[01:00] <SirFunk> what i gather from that thread it sounds like it should show up in the mixer, and from the mixer you can tweak something and it will switch to interface mode then you can use it in jack... I can't get it to show up in the mixer
[01:00] <SirFunk> hah.. well you know more about it than I
[01:02] <SirFunk> maybe i'll just bust out my old laptop and reinstall windows
[01:02] <SirFunk> or try and find someone who will trade me a usb interface :-P
[01:02] <ailo> Could be worth making sure how it operates
[01:03] <ailo> If you're looking for a multitrack usb, I recommend the Presonus 1818vsl
[01:03] <ailo> Focusrite Sapphire Pro 40 is a nice firewire device
[01:04] <ailo> The Presonus 1818vsl is the only multitrack usb device that looks really promising
[01:04] <ailo> ..of what I've seen anyway
[01:04] <ailo> Haven't tested it myself yet
[01:04] <SirFunk> i really only need like 2 tracks max
[01:05] <ailo> Then you have a lot more to choose from
[01:05] <ailo> http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=hardware_matrix
[01:06] <ailo> and here  http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/current_audio_gear
[01:06] <SirFunk> oh there is a thread from this year on the 8pre on the mailing list... reading....
[01:06] <SirFunk> eh, i'm too poor to buy anything
[01:06] <SirFunk> just about to buy a new bass amp and a double bass bow
[01:06] <SirFunk> money = gone
[01:07] <ailo> The Motu should be a pretty good device, and worth a bit of money, no?
[01:07] <ailo> I would stick with it, if you can get it to work
[01:09] <SirFunk> yeah it was a good device.. but i barely used it
[01:13] <SirFunk> i should probably find a windows system.. maybe this 8pre is hosed
[01:14] <SirFunk> WOO
[01:14] <SirFunk> lol.. i tried the other firewire port on the device and... bingo
[01:15] <SirFunk> so.. stereo mastering in linux.. what should i use?
[01:22] <ailo> SirFunk: Ardour is good, but you might want to use many different applications, depending on what you want to do
[01:22] <ailo> Audacity is great for some things
[01:23] <ailo> SirFunk: Was it a front port, that didn't work?
[01:23] <ailo> They aren't always connected to the MB
[01:28] <SirFunk> nah there are 2 right next to eachothre on the back... (this is on the motu) maybe it just wasn't pushed in tightly :-P
[01:28] <SirFunk> hmm.. how to change sample rate in ardour
[01:29] <SirFunk> ahh that's done with jack
[01:34] <SirFunk> I wonder how quickly i can learn to use ardour :-P
[01:36] <len-dt> Most of it seems pretty simple. The one thing I had to look up is: export = mixdown.
[01:37] <SirFunk> lol.. opened up ardour and jamit at the same time... jack seems to be hung
[01:37] <SirFunk> jamin rather
[02:07] <SirFunk> I can't believe I'm using this card again :-P I abandoned it years ago when i stopped using windows.
[02:07] <SirFunk> yay
[02:56] <fusebox41> hello
[02:58] <drupin> i installed have installed ubuntustudio on pendrive with help of pendrivelinux.com installer
[02:59] <drupin> but i cannot install apps in it
[03:20] <holstein> drupin: i suggest just installing to the USB stick
[03:20] <holstein> drupin: you likely have a live instance, and changes arent save
[03:20] <drupin> no i did sudo and it installed
[03:20] <holstein> i just install to the USB stick, and i end up with a full ubuntu installation on USB with normal user, ext filesystem and "persistance"
[03:20] <holstein> drupin: you dont need "sudo" to install it
[03:20] <holstein> you might have sudo dd'd it
[03:21] <holstein> im talking about *not* using the help of pendrive linux... im talking about the normal installing
[03:21] <Unit193> LiLo isn't a bad bet to make a persistant bootable live USB.
[03:22] <drupin> for that i will need two pendrive
[03:22] <holstein> drupin: or a CD.. or a usb and another drive
[03:22] <drupin> CD is broken
[03:22] <drupin> mean drive
[03:23] <SirFunk> hmm.. audio linux is weird. Routing things between standalone programs and trying to remember to not close them :-P
[03:23] <holstein> drupin: you can also search about how to make a persistant install as Unit193 is suggesting
[03:23] <Unit193> !persistant
[03:23] <Unit193> LiLo for windows is nice, though.
[03:24] <drupin> ok let me see
[03:25] <drupin> i will bookmark those
[03:26] <holstein> drupin: yup.... or just install to the USB like normal
[03:26] <holstein> should take about 15 minutes
[03:26] <drupin> but i need to boot it from somewhere
[03:27] <holstein> drupin: i use 2 usb sticks.. or CD
[03:27] <drupin> right i can do that
[03:27] <drupin> 8 gigs is ok ?
[03:28] <holstein> i fit ubuntustudio 8.04 on a 4 gb stick
[03:28] <holstein> the iso will fit, and the install should as well
[03:37] <drupin> kool
[09:56] <chimbo> anyone ever had an issue where DSP plugins take up 99% of DSP when a signal disappears
[09:56] <chimbo> like in Ardour
[09:56] <chimbo> i read something about denormals
[09:56] <chimbo> but i tried adding the DC bias and it did nothing
[10:26] <ailo> chimbo: You might find someone at #ardour who knows
[11:28] <chimbo> good point
[11:29] <chimbo> sorry ailo wrong chan :)
[11:33] <ailo> chimbo: I think this is a good a channel as any, but not as high trafficed. On #ardour there's just a bigger chance someone will know of this issue
[12:22] <chimbo> ailo yeh
[12:47] <ailo-w> len-dt: What's the url to ubuntustudio seeds?
[12:47] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: Seeds?
[12:47] <ailo-w> found it
[12:49] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[12:49] <ailo-w> I'm going to add this part to our dev docs
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Ah
[12:55] <ailo-w> len-dt: What does () do in seeds?
[12:58] <ailo-w> len-dt: Recommend?
[12:58] <ailo-w> Ah, wrong channel
[14:31] <bubu> hello
[14:31] <bubu> anyone here?
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Hi bubu
[14:33] <bubu> hi! i was reading a bit about ubuntu studio... do you know if it is set up to reduce audio latency?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Well we do have a -lowlatency kernel:)
[14:33] <bubu> ah?
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Yes we do. When you install Ubuntu Studio it preinstalls the -lowlatency kernel for you
[14:34] <bubu> oh great
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Or do you want it on your current system?
[14:36] <bubu> no i was looking around for a distribution to install... i have had issues with latency on linuxes in the past
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Ok but then do you want only lowlatency kernel?
[14:38] <bubu> well i want a distribution that is easy to install and get working, and provides low latency audio output
[14:39] <smartboyhw> bubu: Then Ubuntu Studio:)
[14:39] <bubu> ;)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> ;)
[14:39] <bubu> ok i will give it a go
[14:39] <bubu> thanks!
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Yay!
[14:41] <slurryart> good morning, new ubuntustudio user, love it btw, thanks for your work... i need to use same xcfe theme for the gnome apps, or find a way to use a dark theme for nautilus and the other gnome apps, any ideas?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> IDK
[14:43] <slurryart> ok, thanks again, 12.04 is an awesome release, please keep up the good work, have a good day
[14:43] <smartboyhw> :)
[17:37] <velho> hello beautifull people :)
[17:37] <velho> can I run VST3 plugins in a linux DAW?
[17:39] <velho> and if there is no VST3 support on any host, what programs recognize VST2?
[17:48] <holstein> velho: i would just test them and see
[17:48] <holstein> im my experience, the ones that say they work in linux do
[17:48] <holstein> the ones that dont, sometimes do
[17:49] <holstein> the kxstudio team (which is mostly just falktx) has done a great job providing support for all VTS's that can be suppported
[17:49] <holstein> velho: most of us just use the software provided in the repositories
[17:50] <holstein> the idea of an operating system that included all the production software and access to thousands of other applications to download is quite different than the workflow on other operating systems
[17:54] <velho> holstein, hmm. I guess I'm starting to see the picture
[17:54] <holstein> velho: you'll just need to try them.. we cant know if they will work
[17:54] <velho> so, indirectly you are saying that I don't need to worry about VSTs that I already use, because there are plenty of free software to work with?
[17:54] <holstein> we are not allowed to include support
[17:55] <holstein> velho: i can only say that i dont miss any of my old VST's
[17:55] <holstein> i dont use VST instruments however
[17:55] <holstein> if i wanted to use windows VST's, i would try KXstudio.. i am still using ubuntu 10.04 with the KXstudio ppa's added on my production machine
[17:56] <velho> I can live without the VST instruments that I use. but not the same for vst effects
[17:56] <holstein> velho: there is nothing ubuntu or ubuntustudio or linux is doing to prevent *any* VST's from runnning on the system
[17:57] <holstein> velho: will they work? i'll tell you what Paul Davis told me when i posed the same question to him years ago... try them, some work and some dont
[17:57] <velho> lol, ok, good answer :)
[17:57] <velho> i gotta stop making questions and try the stuff
[17:57] <holstein> none of mine easily worked out of the box, so i just moved on
[17:58] <velho> what did you use?
[17:58] <holstein> i honestly cant remember
[17:58] <holstein> velho: i had a nice lexion reverb though
[17:58] <holstein> came with a device i purchased
[17:58] <holstein> i had "free" plugins that i liked and understood how to use
[18:08] <pandoras> hello everybody
[18:09] <pandoras> i get little troubles with my liveUSB-stick and cant get any logs or verboses
[18:09] <holstein> pandoras: you have a USB stick that isnt "working" ? its not mounting?
[18:10] <pandoras> first i tryied to install to a SanDisk Cruzer, and that whant not working, because they had a little messie firmware on it, calles u3
[18:10] <pandoras> after that, i choose my kingston stick (8gb)
[18:11] <holstein> pandoras: are you installing to the USB stick? or having issues with a USB stick while using ubuntustudio?
[18:11] <pandoras> and installed a current ISO trough usb-creator-gtk on it, that worked fine
[18:11] <pandoras> i can now boot from that stick, but after the dialog to choose a language, a loading screen appears and does nothing
[18:11] <pandoras> no verbose in any TTY
[18:12] <holstein> pandoras: i would try safe grphics mode
[18:12] <holstein> tapping shift while the CD iso boots, i choose from the F6 menu at the bottom "nomodeset"
[18:12] <holstein> pandoras: should be the same on the USB boot
[18:13] <pandoras> ok, shift, F6  lets try... brb
[18:20] <pandoras> so, i think i has the problem, is it possible to make a huge mistake, and i have to use a explicit USB Image?
[18:20] <pandoras> a verbose searching for files in the cdrom-drive /dev/sr0
[18:21] <holstein> pandoras: im not sure what an expliciti USB image is
[18:21] <holstein> pandoras: i would confirm the downloaded iso
[18:21] <holstein> !md5 | pandoras
[18:21] <holstein> i would try just buring to a DVD assuming that is an option
[18:21] <pandoras> i have no burner
[18:21] <holstein> pandoras: cool.. so you can ignore that last option then
[18:21] <pandoras> and the CD drive was not used years ago ^^
[18:22] <holstein> pandoras: you can move to using unetbootin instead of the ubuntu tool
[18:22] <pandoras> is that a difference? because the live system, loaded via USB is searching in the CD-drive, no wonder nothing happens
[18:23] <pandoras> mom i try the mighty google
[18:23] <holstein> pandoras: the "virtual" CD rom drive
[18:23] <holstein> pandoras: i would be using the live CD image, which i assume you are since ubuntustudio only has the live one in 12.04
[18:25] <pandoras> 12.04.1-dvd-amd64.iso
[18:26] <holstein> pandoras: and thats ubuntustudio?
[18:26] <holstein> i would make a bootable iso with unetbooting after confirming the md5 sum
[18:32] <pandoras> do you think that makes a difference between usb-creator?
[18:32] <pandoras> a try doesn't harm
[18:32] <holstein> pandoras: i suggest the use of, and use unetbootin...
[18:33] <pandoras> k.. install package
[18:45] <pandoras> hm, where is my image gone? xD gnarf i am stupid, or does datas in the download directory magical disappear?
[18:46] <holstein> pandoras: im not sure what your setup is like, but downloads typically do *not* disappear
[18:47] <pandoras> thats the point, that confuses me too :D
[18:47] <holstein> not being able to locate your downloaded file confuses you?
[18:48] <pandoras> the *.torrent is still present
[18:49] <holstein> pandoras: you likely downloaded the .torrent file, if you were using a torrent to download the iso
[18:49] <holstein> pandoras: i would confirm the md5 on the *.iso
[18:50] <pandoras> -_- im not a full noob, i only not remember deletet this file for a reason
[18:50] <pandoras> mom ...
[18:50] <pandoras> ok... im a moron, i dont know how, but is it on the Desktop directory
[18:51] <holstein> keeping the *.torrent wont break fuctionality
[18:51] <pandoras> ok, it was late at night xD
[18:53] <pandoras> its running now
[18:53] <holstein> and it ='s?
[18:54] <pandoras> 18% ...
[18:57] <pandoras> when it works, i wonder whats the difference between unetbootin and usb-creator
[18:57] <holstein> pandoras: for me, unet fails less often
[18:58] <holstein> pandoras: i think its easier to setup persistence with the usb creator,, though i just install to the USB stick for persitence
[19:03] <pandoras> brb
[19:10] <pandoras> nope, doesn't work, but it have a different loader, from unetbootin
[19:11] <holstein> pandoras: what doesnt work? and in what way?
[19:12] <pandoras> i see a startparameter, file=/somethingliecdrom/somefile  is that realy on the usb-stick mapped, or point the udev to the cd-device?
[19:12] <holstein> pandoras: you dont have a CD device
[19:12] <pandoras> no, i have no burner
[19:12] <holstein> pandoras: all of that will be pointint to and using the CD
[19:12] <pandoras> i have a cd-device
[19:12] <holstein> pinting to and using the ISO on the USB stick
[19:12] <holstein> pointing*
[19:12] <holstein> pandoras: where did you get that iso? did the md5 sum match?
[19:12] <holstein> !md5 | pandoras
[19:15] <pandoras>  got it over ubuntustudio.org it was the torrent-link
[19:16] <holstein> pandoras: and you confirmed the md5 sum?
[19:16] <pandoras> im on it, wait
[19:17] <pandoras> 396a06a3c91dc0f7938eac4ab79b9ab6
[19:17] <holstein> pandoras: did you check out the link i gave you?
[19:17] <holstein> !md5 | pandoras
[19:17] <holstein> i dont know those #'s right off my hat
[19:18] <pandoras> wait, i found the list
[19:19] <pandoras> thats not what im searching for, should the md5 not appear on the download site? should the torrent not make the md5check bi himself to check the file
[19:20] <holstein> pandoras: i would check the md5 sum for the actual iso
[19:21] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04/release/
[19:21] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04/release/MD5SUMS
[19:21] <holstein> for 12.04.1
[19:21] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04.1/release/
[19:22] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04.1/release/MD5SUMS
[19:23] <pandoras> jep, match
[19:23] <holstein> pandoras: ok. so the downloaded iso is matching and confirming ?
[19:23] <holstein> not the .torrent... the .iso ?
[19:23] <pandoras> only 1 bit in a file, and you get a complete other sum
[19:24] <holstein> pandoras: so, the sum is confirming? for the iso?
[19:24] <holstein> correct?
[19:24] <pandoras> its nearly impossible to get a collision, jep, its the iso
[19:24] <holstein> pandoras: i have had many bad iso downloads
[19:24] <holstein> pandoras: if you feel i am wasting your time, you can try #ubuntu or #xubuntu
[19:25] <holstein> pandoras: i would format the usb stick... i do that with gparted
[19:25] <pandoras> holstein: today the checksum should done by any browser and torrent downloader automatic
[19:25] <holstein> pandoras: and we have confirmed that, correct? so we dont need to wonder.. its the iso.. and its good..
[19:26] <holstein> pandoras: i would format and make the bootable stick with the iso using unetbootin
[19:26] <holstein> if that doesnt work, i would try the "nomodeset" option in the F6 menu
[19:26] <holstein> if that doesnt work, let me know and we'll go from there
[19:26] <pandoras> i try tomorrow that again, have lot of things to do.
[19:27] <holstein> pandoras: enjoy!
[19:27] <pandoras> i tryed nomod yet, same problem. anyway, gn8 and thx for the help
[20:30] <cbx33> hey all
[20:31] <cbx33> anyone use guitarix?
[20:31] <cbx33> if so, do you know if building from source creates the LADSPA plugins?
[20:31] <cbx33> the version in 12.04 has too many denormals
[23:57] <LeLapin> 'lo o/
[23:57] <SirFunk> hey i'm trying to get my yamaha ux16 interface (midi) working on ubuntu. when i plug it in a usb device is detected in dmesg but i don't see the input available to jack
[23:58] <LeLapin> ça s'installe :)